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(Voice of America)   Nouri al-Maliki: I reject your idea of a ruling government and substitute my OWN.....Hey, where did everybody go?   (voanews.com) divider line 39
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2014-06-25 10:53:37 AM  
Good luck holding Baghdad by yourself.
 
2014-06-25 11:09:28 AM  
So even the "democratically-elected" leaders in that part of the world are egomaniacal shiatheads who refuse to serve the totality of the people that make up their countries.
 
2014-06-25 01:16:39 PM  

Diogenes: So even the "democratically-elected" leaders in that part of the world are egomaniacal shiatheads who refuse to serve the totality of the people that make up their countries.


Which is why we should send in tens of thousands of young Americans...

...said Cock Cheney
 
2014-06-25 02:00:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Diogenes: So even the "democratically-elected" leaders in that part of the world are egomaniacal shiatheads who refuse to serve the totality of the people that make up their countries.

Which is why we should send in tens of thousands of young Americans...

...said Cock Cheney


He's moved on from "The One Percent Doctrine" to the "Third Time's The Charm Proposition."
 
2014-06-25 02:03:16 PM  

Diogenes: So even the "democratically-elected" leaders in that part of the world are egomaniacal shiatheads who refuse to serve the totality of the people that make up their countries.

Edited for clarity.

 
2014-06-25 02:04:05 PM  
I think he is going to get Najibullah-ed real soon by the ISIS.
 
2014-06-25 02:05:45 PM  
Good.  Let him be stubborn and defiant.  Gives the US all the excuse it needs to let the country dissolve.

I mean, it's about time we stopped adhering to an arbitrary set of boundaries drawn up by the English a hundred years ago.  Let them have countries along their own borders and not ours.
 
2014-06-25 02:11:25 PM  
Is this guy delusional, or just an idiot?
 
2014-06-25 02:17:18 PM  
Fark these guys.
 
2014-06-25 02:18:26 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Is this guy delusional, or just an idiot?


Why_not_both.jpeg
 
2014-06-25 02:26:03 PM  
You had ONE job...
 
2014-06-25 02:26:38 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Is this guy delusional, or just an idiot?


well, for all of the western panic and dick cheney freakouts, he's hardly in a terrible position. the kurds will have to act as his defacto military allies regardless of his actions due to the geographic realities of where the enemy is. ISIS has only 10k fighters spread of 40k sq miles of land. the chances of ISIS taking baghdad against the iraqi regular army +10's of thousands of shia militia members are nil, even before you count the iranian reinforcements. the ISIS forces are likely to begin to self destruct as they face fallout with their sunni allies and civilian populations who don't want to adhere to their ultra hardline stance, and when they do he can exploit that to kill as many sunni tribal enemies as he can.
 
2014-06-25 02:28:13 PM  
Think if Obama had bombed Syria like so many wanted.  Does anyone think that Assad & Syria's chemcial weapons would be secure right now?

Iraq would be a lot more Mustard and VX gassy right now.
 
2014-06-25 02:29:36 PM  

tlchwi02: Satanic_Hamster: Is this guy delusional, or just an idiot?

well, for all of the western panic and dick cheney freakouts, he's hardly in a terrible position. the kurds will have to act as his defacto military allies regardless of his actions due to the geographic realities of where the enemy is. ISIS has only 10k fighters spread of 40k sq miles of land. the chances of ISIS taking baghdad against the iraqi regular army +10's of thousands of shia militia members are nil, even before you count the iranian reinforcements. the ISIS forces are likely to begin to self destruct as they face fallout with their sunni allies and civilian populations who don't want to adhere to their ultra hardline stance, and when they do he can exploit that to kill as many sunni tribal enemies as he can.


At the end of the day, the Shiia can defend Baghdad all they want and it'll mean nothing in the long term if ISIS carves out a huge chunk of territory and declares a new nation for the Sunni.
 
2014-06-25 02:33:16 PM  
His old GOP friends are telling him to drag this out to create chaos.
 
2014-06-25 02:33:40 PM  

Infernalist: tlchwi02: Satanic_Hamster: Is this guy delusional, or just an idiot?

well, for all of the western panic and dick cheney freakouts, he's hardly in a terrible position. the kurds will have to act as his defacto military allies regardless of his actions due to the geographic realities of where the enemy is. ISIS has only 10k fighters spread of 40k sq miles of land. the chances of ISIS taking baghdad against the iraqi regular army +10's of thousands of shia militia members are nil, even before you count the iranian reinforcements. the ISIS forces are likely to begin to self destruct as they face fallout with their sunni allies and civilian populations who don't want to adhere to their ultra hardline stance, and when they do he can exploit that to kill as many sunni tribal enemies as he can.

At the end of the day, the Shiia can defend Baghdad all they want and it'll mean nothing in the long term if ISIS carves out a huge chunk of territory and declares a new nation for the Sunni.


Well, then you also have the Kurds trying to break off as well...

And a Baghdad that is more closely allied with Iran.

And what is essentially the worlds greatest oil-doused powder keg with unsettled borders and regional powers supporting sectarian militias for their own purposes...

A mess, likely hundreds of thousands of civilians dead, and really expensive gas to boot.

So, pretty standard fare.
 
2014-06-25 02:34:39 PM  
Stick a fork in him. He's done. And so is Iraq.
 
2014-06-25 02:38:43 PM  

Deneb81: Infernalist: tlchwi02: Satanic_Hamster: Is this guy delusional, or just an idiot?

well, for all of the western panic and dick cheney freakouts, he's hardly in a terrible position. the kurds will have to act as his defacto military allies regardless of his actions due to the geographic realities of where the enemy is. ISIS has only 10k fighters spread of 40k sq miles of land. the chances of ISIS taking baghdad against the iraqi regular army +10's of thousands of shia militia members are nil, even before you count the iranian reinforcements. the ISIS forces are likely to begin to self destruct as they face fallout with their sunni allies and civilian populations who don't want to adhere to their ultra hardline stance, and when they do he can exploit that to kill as many sunni tribal enemies as he can.

At the end of the day, the Shiia can defend Baghdad all they want and it'll mean nothing in the long term if ISIS carves out a huge chunk of territory and declares a new nation for the Sunni.

Well, then you also have the Kurds trying to break off as well...

And a Baghdad that is more closely allied with Iran.

And what is essentially the worlds greatest oil-doused powder keg with unsettled borders and regional powers supporting sectarian militias for their own purposes...

A mess, likely hundreds of thousands of civilians dead, and really expensive gas to boot.

So, pretty standard fare.


it's a long overdue resettling.  You can't force artificial borders on a handful of antagonistic groups and force them to live together without expecting stuff like this to happen.

At the end of the day, you'll have the remnants of Shiia Iraq allied with Iran and the remnants of Syria, a new Sunni state allied with Saudi Arabia and a new Kurdish state.  We'll work with Turkey to keep things amicable there, work behind the scenes with Iran to moderate Iraq and basically give the finger to Saudi Arabia and the new Sunni state since they're the most extremist of the three states.
 
2014-06-25 02:41:37 PM  
I'm sure he's got his bags packed and his money stashed.
 
2014-06-25 02:48:51 PM  

Diogenes: So even the "democratically-elected" leaders in that part of the world are egomaniacal shiatheads who refuse to serve the totality of the people that make up their countries.


You haven't been paying attention to how Israel has been treat the Palestinians have you.
 
2014-06-25 02:56:47 PM  

Deneb81: And what is essentially the worlds greatest oil-doused powder keg with unsettled borders and regional powers supporting sectarian militias for their own purposes...


Saudi Arabia?
 
2014-06-25 03:02:48 PM  
The test of a true leader: when the shiat goes down, is he willing to loosen his hold on the reins of power, or does he cling more tightly to them?
 
2014-06-25 03:12:22 PM  
Okay, so is he fighting ISIS or ISIL or both? Also, I'm pretty sure dude is insane. I heard he blamed the collapse of the army on the Kurds.
 
2014-06-25 03:19:50 PM  

madgonad: Fark these guys.


Weeners
 
2014-06-25 03:20:41 PM  

Fart_Machine: madgonad: Fark these guys.

Weeners


There's no need to call names.
 
2014-06-25 03:26:40 PM  

Infernalist: At the end of the day, the Shiia can defend Baghdad all they want and it'll mean nothing in the long term if ISIS carves out a huge chunk of territory and declares a new nation for the Sunni.


i doubt that malaki really cares that much. what is ISIS going to do up there? murder the more moderate sunni (who are malaki's enemies,) cause everyone to starve because they don't have the ability to feed them (also malaki's enemies) and fight with the kurds (malaki's enemies)?

and his other option is to give up his hard won sectarian dominance over a couple of 'what if' scenario's propogated by the same western genius's who set off the whole issue in the first place?
 
2014-06-25 03:27:26 PM  

madgonad: Fark these guys.


Who exactly?
 
2014-06-25 03:32:00 PM  

tlchwi02: Infernalist: At the end of the day, the Shiia can defend Baghdad all they want and it'll mean nothing in the long term if ISIS carves out a huge chunk of territory and declares a new nation for the Sunni.

i doubt that malaki really cares that much. what is ISIS going to do up there? murder the more moderate sunni (who are malaki's enemies,) cause everyone to starve because they don't have the ability to feed them (also malaki's enemies) and fight with the kurds (malaki's enemies)?

and his other option is to give up his hard won sectarian dominance over a couple of 'what if' scenario's propogated by the same western genius's who set off the whole issue in the first place?


The problem with being pro-shiia to the point of giving the others a solid middle finger is that you run out of allies in a hurry.  Malaki doesn't just have to worry about the Sunni and Kurds, but also political rivals within Baghdad, like Sadr.  Plus, he's going to find it hard to maintain any control at all if he continues to lose control over oil reserves and refineries.  No money = No military support.  The Shiia militia might swarm to defend religious points, but they'll drag Malaki out and hang him if he stops paying them.

My point is really simple: Baghdad is mostly irrelevant.  Its loss will signal a complete loss of Iraq, but Iraq can still be lost long before Baghdad falls.
 
2014-06-25 03:32:34 PM  

Infernalist: Fart_Machine: madgonad: Fark these guys.

Weeners

There's no need to call names.


Heh gotta love the filter.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:29 PM  

Infernalist: The problem with being pro-shiia to the point of giving the others a solid middle finger is that you run out of allies in a hurry. Malaki doesn't just have to worry about the Sunni and Kurds, but also political rivals within Baghdad, like Sadr. Plus, he's going to find it hard to maintain any control at all if he continues to lose control over oil reserves and refineries. No money = No military support. The Shiia militia might swarm to defend religious points, but they'll drag Malaki out and hang him if he stops paying them.


As it stands, malaki controls all of the oil in the southern fields and almost all of the pipelines out of the country (excluding the recent kurdish/turkish pipeline which is still of very limited capacity.) Fairly sure that he isn't hurting for money to pay the troops and militias. considering that ISIS currently controls the areas with very little oil, but most importantly 0 shipping ability. You can have all the oil in the world but if you have to drive it in pickups trucks one barrel at a time through a war zone and try and sell it piecemeal it wont do you much good

even the refinery that ISIS seized (which it doesn't sound like they control anymore) was predominantly for domestic use. the oil that they use for trade purposes is shipped as crude
 
2014-06-25 04:04:11 PM  

Muta: Diogenes: So even the "democratically-elected" leaders in that part of the world are egomaniacal shiatheads who refuse to serve the totality of the people that make up their countries.

You haven't been paying attention to how Israel has been treat the Palestinians have you.


It's in "that part of the world" isn't it?
 
2014-06-25 04:09:09 PM  

Infernalist: Deneb81: Infernalist: tlchwi02: Satanic_Hamster: Is this guy delusional, or just an idiot?

well, for all of the western panic and dick cheney freakouts, he's hardly in a terrible position. the kurds will have to act as his defacto military allies regardless of his actions due to the geographic realities of where the enemy is. ISIS has only 10k fighters spread of 40k sq miles of land. the chances of ISIS taking baghdad against the iraqi regular army +10's of thousands of shia militia members are nil, even before you count the iranian reinforcements. the ISIS forces are likely to begin to self destruct as they face fallout with their sunni allies and civilian populations who don't want to adhere to their ultra hardline stance, and when they do he can exploit that to kill as many sunni tribal enemies as he can.

At the end of the day, the Shiia can defend Baghdad all they want and it'll mean nothing in the long term if ISIS carves out a huge chunk of territory and declares a new nation for the Sunni.

Well, then you also have the Kurds trying to break off as well...

And a Baghdad that is more closely allied with Iran.

And what is essentially the worlds greatest oil-doused powder keg with unsettled borders and regional powers supporting sectarian militias for their own purposes...

A mess, likely hundreds of thousands of civilians dead, and really expensive gas to boot.

So, pretty standard fare.

it's a long overdue resettling.  You can't force artificial borders on a handful of antagonistic groups and force them to live together without expecting stuff like this to happen.

At the end of the day, you'll have the remnants of Shiia Iraq allied with Iran and the remnants of Syria, a new Sunni state allied with Saudi Arabia and a new Kurdish state.  We'll work with Turkey to keep things amicable there, work behind the scenes with Iran to moderate Iraq and basically give the finger to Saudi Arabia and the new Sunni state since they're the most extremist of the three states.


See also: Yugoslavia and Sudan.

Nigeria is at risk of splitting as well. It split before in the late 1960s, until the UK and USSR (yes, really!) forced it back together.
 
2014-06-25 04:09:12 PM  
Maliki is a dumb ass, we should let him burn.
 
2014-06-25 04:56:11 PM  
Oh ya, we should totally send in American troops and sacrifice our own guys to prop up this twatrocket.

/fark him and the camel show his wife participates in.
 
2014-06-25 05:07:38 PM  

Infernalist: it's a long overdue resettling.  You can't force artificial borders on a handful of antagonistic groups and force them to live together without expecting stuff like this to happen.


It's tempting to think that if we just let them all slug it out and reform along more natural cultural boundaries that things would be a lot more stable in the long run.  I suspect it wouldn't accomplish much.
 
2014-06-25 05:20:29 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Infernalist: it's a long overdue resettling.  You can't force artificial borders on a handful of antagonistic groups and force them to live together without expecting stuff like this to happen.

It's tempting to think that if we just let them all slug it out and reform along more natural cultural boundaries that things would be a lot more stable in the long run.  I suspect it wouldn't accomplish much.


Probably not, but who cares, frankly?  It's not our fight; never was.
 
2014-06-25 05:50:54 PM  

BFletch651: Diogenes: So even the "democratically-elected" leaders in that part of the world are egomaniacal shiatheads who refuse to serve the totality of the people that make up their countries.

Edited for clarity.


Watch out for the edges on this dude's  trilby fedora
 
2014-06-25 07:31:06 PM  
There will be plenty of ethnic and sectarian cleansing, before this settles down.  Example:  If I were the Kurds, I would tell all the Sunni Arabs, that Saddam moved into Kurdistan, to go be Arab somewhere else.  It might be considered bad behavior by the rest of the world, but, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.
 
2014-06-25 10:25:13 PM  
This thread makes me sad.

Maliki is Tehran's biatch. He isn't leaving.
 
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