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(Washington Post)   Oh hai, don't mind this drone outside your window. Just please continue doing what you normally do. Like brush your teeth, get undressed, fondle your naughty bits. You know, just act natural   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 117
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2014-06-25 10:47:33 AM

max_pooper: misterfweem: [img.fark.net image 300x225]

Continue swimming naked. Aw, c'mon, continue. Continue! OK Lou, open fire . . .



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/second try
 
2014-06-25 10:50:40 AM
People need to learn to get along with drones

When one is hovering next to my window I invite it in for tea and scones
 
2014-06-25 10:50:48 AM

Callous: Carousel Beast: moeburn: ongbok: Sounds like this woman saw the drone fly by her apartment, and because she heard a story about somebody with a drone spying on people she jumped to this melodramatic screaming about it spying on her. I bet she loves the attention she is getting.

But why are people so worried about a drone seeing into their windows? Doesn't anybody use shades or curtains anymore?

RC quadcopters aka drones are something that most people have never seen in their life, outside of TV.  When you see one outside of your house, it can be a little alarming, given that you might have no idea what a typical drone operator is like, what they are commonly used for, how they work, etc.

So we should all alter perfectly reasonable activities so ignorant people don't feel uncomfortable?

/How about no?

It's pretty clear from the article that there are politicians looking to let ignorance drive legislation so they can claim to protect you from this non-existent problem.  They should ban alien abduction while they are at it.


I'm actually expecting (if it's not already the case) legislation mimicking mineral rights except for airspace rights instead.
 
2014-06-25 10:52:29 AM

Deep Contact: She's looking for a white knight.


i1078.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-25 10:53:50 AM
I wonder how pro droners here would feel if I flew a drone over their kid's school or playground.
 
2014-06-25 10:55:47 AM

ikanreed: Federal regulation already exists on this class of device, and they can't be used to make a profit, like was being done in the article.


Wrong.  That shiat got slapped down like a redheaded stepchild by a judge.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-06/drone-pilot-s-fine-dropped- by -judge-finding-against-faa.html
 
2014-06-25 10:56:33 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder how pro droners here would feel if I flew a drone over their kid's school or playground.


You mean a remote controlled helicopter or an actual drone?
 
2014-06-25 10:57:08 AM

China White Tea: ikanreed: Federal regulation already exists on this class of device, and they can't be used to make a profit, like was being done in the article.

Wrong.  That shiat got slapped down like a redheaded stepchild by a judge.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-06/drone-pilot-s-fine-dropped- by -judge-finding-against-faa.html


No word on their appeal thus far, btw, but it doesn't look particularly good for them.
 
2014-06-25 11:01:42 AM
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

People dont understand that Trey and Matt are actually prophets.
 
2014-06-25 11:02:31 AM

labman: A. Most of these just have a camera filming and no one looks at the film until it lands and they get the camera back.


I'm not so sure.  My gopro has a live streaming function.  Not sure what the range is.
 
2014-06-25 11:03:14 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder how pro droners here would feel if I flew a drone over their kid's school or playground.


Or when I use one to video the police.

/Wheeeeee!
 
2014-06-25 11:04:26 AM
Roy Scheider approves
 
2014-06-25 11:05:55 AM

James!: phenn: Heh. You guys are ragging on her pretty hard and maybe she is seeking some attention. Still, I'd probably freak out a bit under the same circumstances. You should be able to feel somewhat secure in your own home.

It's the equivalent of someone walking down the street with a camera.


Well.. not really. It's the equivalent of someone hanging outside your window with a camera. Hey, I'm not saying she isn't playing this whole thing. Just that I'd find it a little spooky as well.
 
2014-06-25 11:07:20 AM

ikanreed: Federal regulation already exists on this class of device, and they can't be used to make a profit, like was being done in the article.



That's weird because I personally know of 3 business centered around using drones as a vector to map and model changing landscapes (strip mining, landfills, large scale land developement etc) and construction....and I'm sure there's huundreds more.  Infact in 2 weeks I'll be going to a conference where I gaurantee there will be several vendor's booths set up offering their services for those very things.

I've also seen recent articles saying things like the FAA is just starting to take note and therefore regulate...but yeah, when flying these^ we would have to get FAA clearance and stay under 700 feet IIRC.

One of them is my old boss and uses a drone that looks exactly like the one pictured.  Some of the others use airplane type drones.
 
2014-06-25 11:08:09 AM
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2014-06-25 11:09:29 AM

phenn: James!: phenn: Heh. You guys are ragging on her pretty hard and maybe she is seeking some attention. Still, I'd probably freak out a bit under the same circumstances. You should be able to feel somewhat secure in your own home.

It's the equivalent of someone walking down the street with a camera.

Well.. not really. It's the equivalent of someone hanging outside your window with a camera. Hey, I'm not saying she isn't playing this whole thing. Just that I'd find it a little spooky as well.


You can see the picture she took.  How far do you think that thing is away from her window?
 
2014-06-25 11:10:08 AM
Get used to it.

eric-blue.com
 
2014-06-25 11:24:00 AM
Up-skirt, down-blouse, what we call this?
 
2014-06-25 11:25:20 AM
These things are super noisy, there is no way you could spy on anyone with one without them noticing it.
 
2014-06-25 11:35:55 AM
I was on a rooftop deck having drinks a few weeks ago when we spotted a drone flying up and down the street.  It zoomed in on another roof deck (which was packed...unlike ours) a number of times. We saw the guy controlling it on a small side street near us (out of sight of the other roof deck).  He was livestreaming the video to his phone (which was mounted on the controller).  The video producer part of me thought it was really cool.  Another part of me thinks he was trying to spy on someone on the other roof deck...and probably doing a pretty good job of it.
 
2014-06-25 11:43:18 AM
I can't give away nude selfies on the internet and this lady is complaining about window-to-window service?

Oh, what's that?  I'm a dude and nobody wants to... are you sure? yeah... OK.
 
2014-06-25 11:43:41 AM
Follow-up article states that a survey company was using the drone to photograph a nearby 20-floor apartment building.

/cue FAA to slap the company for using it in a commercial manner
 
2014-06-25 11:47:03 AM

SueDisco: I was on a rooftop deck having drinks a few weeks ago when we spotted a drone flying up and down the street.  It zoomed in on another roof deck (which was packed...unlike ours) a number of times. We saw the guy controlling it on a small side street near us (out of sight of the other roof deck).  He was livestreaming the video to his phone (which was mounted on the controller).  The video producer part of me thought it was really cool.  Another part of me thinks he was trying to spy on someone on the other roof deck...and probably doing a pretty good job of it.


By zoomed in do you mean flew closer?  I assume it would be pretty difficult to see the aperture movement or the video on his phone down in the street.  Also, did these party-goers not hear the racket it was creating?
 
2014-06-25 11:50:43 AM
Who does this insane attention-whore psycho harpy biatch think she is, calling the police to report something odd and then accepting the apology of the person responsible, once it became clear that it was an honest misunderstanding?

Crazy spotlight-seeking coont!
 
2014-06-25 11:53:01 AM

SueDisco: I was on a rooftop deck having drinks a few weeks ago when we spotted a drone flying up and down the street.  It zoomed in on another roof deck (which was packed...unlike ours) a number of times. We saw the guy controlling it on a small side street near us (out of sight of the other roof deck).  He was livestreaming the video to his phone (which was mounted on the controller).  The video producer part of me thought it was really cool.  Another part of me thinks he was trying to spy on someone on the other roof deck...and probably doing a pretty good job of it.


Are you talking about yourself in third person again?
 
2014-06-25 11:55:04 AM

Abuse Liability: By zoomed in do you mean flew closer? I assume it would be pretty difficult to see the aperture movement or the video on his phone down in the street. Also, did these party-goers not hear the racket it was creating?


Yes, I meant that it got close to the crowd...within 10 feet or so, actually.  He kept it out of people's reach but just barely.  The people on the roof deck absolutely heard/saw it.  They were waving at it, pointing at it, etc.  You definitely can't "sneak up" on people with one of those...they are too loud for that.
 
2014-06-25 11:58:10 AM
ObamaDrones
 
2014-06-25 12:00:42 PM
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2014-06-25 12:01:11 PM

svanmeter: ObamaDrones


Sure, he's got a side business doing commercial aerial photography in Seattle.  Just for shiats.
 
2014-06-25 12:01:24 PM
Biff_Steel:
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2014-06-25 12:09:51 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Biff_Steel:
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(Shakes fist at Biff_steel)


That's not my fist
 
2014-06-25 12:10:25 PM
My anti-drone technology: curtains or blinds.

They are extremely effective.
 
2014-06-25 12:22:15 PM

China White Tea: ikanreed: Federal regulation already exists on this class of device, and they can't be used to make a profit, like was being done in the article.

Wrong.  That shiat got slapped down like a redheaded stepchild by a judge.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-06/drone-pilot-s-fine-dropped- by -judge-finding-against-faa.html


Okay, I'm sorry I don't keep up to date with standing precedent.  I just stated what I understood the law to be.
 
2014-06-25 12:29:47 PM

vudukungfu: James!: It's amazing how remote control helicopters didn't exist until just this year.  Oh, wait.

It's amazing how many women "Feel violated" when they weren't violated.


If it is not Mubobobo Bluetooth, it is not "real" violation, according to GOP handbook, and just shuts down.
 
2014-06-25 12:31:57 PM

Walker: This is just gonna get worse. Drones being flown by idiots are gonna be all over the place, crashing into each other, crashing into airplanes, crashing into your car, hovering outside your windows trying to peek in. Then if you try to shoot them down, you're the one that will get in trouble. Perhaps net guns would be good. The nets will get their blades tangled up and make them crash.


You forgot, Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
 
2014-06-25 12:38:43 PM
As someone who's flown RC planes and gliders for years, I don't like how everything that happens to be remote controlled is being branded a 'drone'.

In all the years I've been flying six foot wingspan RC sailplanes at public beaches I've never once in that entire time had someone get foamy-mouthed because I was invading their privacy or threatening their safety by operating my 'drone'.  Or had some psycho biatch try to beat my ass because she thought my 'drone' was shooting footage of women in bikinis on the beach.  Never...

The most I've ever got is someone saying, "Hey... neat!"

But you put a quadcopter in the air and people just assume out the gate that you're recording every movement they're making and lose their farking minds.
 
2014-06-25 12:48:19 PM

moike: As someone who's flown RC planes and gliders for years, I don't like how everything that happens to be remote controlled is being branded a 'drone'.

In all the years I've been flying six foot wingspan RC sailplanes at public beaches I've never once in that entire time had someone get foamy-mouthed because I was invading their privacy or threatening their safety by operating my 'drone'.  Or had some psycho biatch try to beat my ass because she thought my 'drone' was shooting footage of women in bikinis on the beach.  Never...

The most I've ever got is someone saying, "Hey... neat!"

But you put a quadcopter in the air and people just assume out the gate that you're recording every movement they're making and lose their farking minds.


True observation.
Fear mongering does work so well.
 
2014-06-25 12:48:37 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder how pro droners here would feel if I flew a drone over their kid's school or playground.


I take my Quadcopter down to the local playground / park all the time. It is the only place where I can fly it without worrying about getting it stuck in a tree or going in the neighbors yard. No one yet has said anything except for the occasional, "that's cool, where did you get that" sort of deal.
 
2014-06-25 12:55:52 PM
What frequencies do these things get controlled by? Too lazy to do the research, but I smell money.

1. Drones, drones everywhere
2. Make jammers and watch them farkers crash and burn
3. Profit

/hold on, FCC is calling
 
2014-06-25 12:56:13 PM

skrame: /ITG: If I saw a drone outside of my window I would grab my .22, probably miss the shot, and get arrested for firing my gun in the municipality after hitting another building or worse.


As you should. If you are firing over the horizon then you are being a reckless dick.
 
2014-06-25 01:03:24 PM
Just as we can focus electromagnetic radiation in a laser and focus sound beams... there is no doubt that an electromagnetic pulse can be similarly focused in a narrow and coherent beam

http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Wave-Guided-EMP-Beam
 
2014-06-25 01:05:25 PM
Care to speculate on the Second Amendment interpretations of a Assault Beam Weapon?
 
2014-06-25 01:12:53 PM
I'm not sure what this lady is complaining about. She lives in a highly urban area, not all that high up, and is complaining about a potential peeping 'drone.' Guess what lady, you have high rise buildings all around you, and most of those people can see right in your window if the blinds are open. This has nothing to do with technology. Even if the quad-copter had live video transmitting to the operator, the best it can do is 640x480, which isn't enough to see what you think it sees.

/has a couple high rise buildings going up in her neighborhood
//will fly a drone early Sundays to check up on construction progress (and not to bother people)
///was not the guy from this story, thankfully
 
wee [TotalFark]
2014-06-25 01:13:35 PM

mdeesnuts: What frequencies do these things get controlled by? Too lazy to do the research, but I smell money.


Unless they have a ham license and are using a UHF TX and receiver (doubtful), the copters run on 2.4 GHz, same as every wifi phone and access point.  Your jammer would jam those as well. No money to be made.
 
2014-06-25 01:16:37 PM

snocone: Just as we can focus electromagnetic radiation in a laser and focus sound beams... there is no doubt that an electromagnetic pulse can be similarly focused in a narrow and coherent beam

http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Wave-Guided-EMP-Beam


I've actually thought about doing that to fry the @sshole's amplifiers who drive down my street pumping out 110 dB of [insert music genre]. Require mucho juice, though.

But then there's the optic scanner to follow and aim I'd have to make. Not to mention the turret. By the time I got done, I'd just sell it to the military and go on permanent vacation.

Where would I get my sense of smug satisfaction from petty malice then?
 
2014-06-25 01:16:48 PM

moeburn: Would it be illegal for me to shoot one of these out of the sky with an airsoft rifle?


Most likely.
 
2014-06-25 01:29:05 PM

mdeesnuts: snocone: Just as we can focus electromagnetic radiation in a laser and focus sound beams... there is no doubt that an electromagnetic pulse can be similarly focused in a narrow and coherent beam

http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Wave-Guided-EMP-Beam

I've actually thought about doing that to fry the @sshole's amplifiers who drive down my street pumping out 110 dB of [insert music genre]. Require mucho juice, though.

But then there's the optic scanner to follow and aim I'd have to make. Not to mention the turret. By the time I got done, I'd just sell it to the military and go on permanent vacation.

Where would I get my sense of smug satisfaction from petty malice then?


5a Lithium battery is plenty if'n you get it close.
Just sayin'.

/psst, DO NOT plant an IED on your street, not on the stop sign, which might be considered a reflector
 
2014-06-25 01:29:29 PM
I saw some people walking by outside of my house once. So I called the police because they might have LOOKED at me.

/stupid biatch
 
2014-06-25 01:31:02 PM

wee: mdeesnuts: What frequencies do these things get controlled by? Too lazy to do the research, but I smell money.

Unless they have a ham license and are using a UHF TX and receiver (doubtful), the copters run on 2.4 GHz, same as every wifi phone and access point.  Your jammer would jam those as well. No money to be made.

Yup, and I've discovered that when flying in highly urban areas, with lots of WiFi routers, it is a very bad idea to fly the copters beyond line-of-sight. Normally when the copter goes out of range, it'll default to flying autonomous back to its start GPS position - but if the control signal is effectively "jammed" by stronger 2.4 GHz, it'll continue flying on its own merry way, until the battery gets too low and it auto-lands somewhere.

/don't ask me how I know that
//thankfully it didn't auto-land on someone's deck or rooftop
 
2014-06-25 01:45:02 PM

MrSteve007: I'm not sure what this lady is complaining about. She lives in a highly urban area, not all that high up, and is complaining about a potential peeping 'drone.' Guess what lady, you have high rise buildings all around you, and most of those people can see right in your window if the blinds are open. This has nothing to do with technology. Even if the quad-copter had live video transmitting to the operator, the best it can do is 640x480, which isn't enough to see what you think it sees.

/has a couple high rise buildings going up in her neighborhood
//will fly a drone early Sundays to check up on construction progress (and not to bother people)
///was not the guy from this story, thankfully


Actually, the cameras on them these days can record HD video with no problem.   You are correct that the Transmitted video is probably a lot less.
 
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