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(LA Times)   San Francisco officials are considering a giant net to deter people from jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. Rejected ideas include: ninjas, drunk Mel Gibson, a cardboard life-size replica of the bridge, and cats with lasers   (latimes.com ) divider line
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2014-06-25 11:29:58 AM  
Maybe the trick is to make it appear as though jumping would only maim you instead of killing you. That might take all the fun out of it.
The only part of Titanic that I still vividly recall is that part where the guy fell off the back of the boat and cracked his shins on the prop.
Cameron deserved a wet ice death for that movie.
 
2014-06-25 11:31:39 AM  
I'm ok with this
 
2014-06-25 11:31:56 AM  

cwolf20: Cold_Sassy: Maybe they should just block the bridge to pedestrian traffic.  Cost?  Nearly $0.00.

Sometimes the movies are right in that people tend to jump after midnight.  Anyone determined enough can get past a pedestrian block.  Hell, a drunk redneck probably can. I know one that chained the bumpers of 3 police cars together at a July 4th celebration. And the area was blocked to anyone not a police officer or not licensed to operate fireworks.


I bet if they made a serious effort they could make a barrier that'd work fine.  That said, (and I am sorry for being callous here) if they are willing to go to the trouble to wait until after midnight to kill themselves, then let them.  You can't save the world.  Especially if someone is bent on departure from it.
 
2014-06-25 11:32:45 AM  
it'll just mean they suck at one more thing
 
2014-06-25 11:38:16 AM  
A very unsettling documentary:

forbesavenue.com
 
2014-06-25 11:39:39 AM  
Get rid of that deadly bridge! It's killing people. This is obviously the bridge's fault, if that bridge was torn down our country would be much safer.

People should just call 911 when they see someone jump. The cops will come and catch them.

Tear down that deadly eyesore and replace it with a tunnel. Nobody ever died jumping off a submerged tunnel.
 
2014-06-25 11:40:33 AM  

snake_beater: Walker: [cdn.abclocal.go.com image 850x478]

At least it's less visually intrusive than the anti-jumper barrier on the Bloor Viaduct.

/can't believe they actually have a name for that thing


I don't find it that bad, it almost looks like it was always part of the bridge. At least from the road, not while you're driving up or down the DVP.
 
2014-06-25 11:40:48 AM  
I think the nets would just encourage more jumpers, because it seems like it would be fun to jump off and land safely in the net. Maybe they should make the nets out of steel cables like they have on aircraft carriers. As I understand it, it's not fun to fall into one of those.

Or better yet, put trampolines in, but put them facing out at  45 degree angle, so that when you hit, you go bouncing way out at a high arc. Get some real distance from the bridge.

/Know a guy who was in the Navy. He was doing a pre-flight in the dark, and apparently one of the aircraft was parked tail over the water. The last one wasn't.  So he goes to go around the backside of the plane, and finds himself short on tarmac and big on air. There wasn't a net under him, but there was a catwalk about 15 feet down to break his fall. Apparently steel decking does not make for soft landings. He was much more observent in the future.
 
2014-06-25 11:45:00 AM  

cryinoutloud: I watched a documentary about people who jump off the GG bridge. One guy came back over and over again, kept looking over the side, paced back and forth, finally jumped. Another guy lived, and said that he was sorry he'd done it. The weird thing is, they have cameras all over the place, and whoever is watching, they can tell which people walking on the bridge are considering jumping, just by the way they act. And they zoom the cameras in on them and watch. Most of the movie was just from security camera footage. It was really interesting, but creepy as fark too.


That would be The Bridge.
 
2014-06-25 11:45:01 AM  
Or maybe we should stop setting up vulnerable people for failure, shaming them when they can't afford a master's degree, further shaming them when they can't handle the 60+ hour workweek NOT having a master's degree damns them to, and then making them feel even WORSE for hating themselves because they can't hack it in a race designed to benefit people born at the finish line.
 
2014-06-25 11:48:34 AM  
I love the crowd that thinks they can stop people from doing something.
maybe if we paint it merry colors, place nets, and hire several people to hand out flowers and pamphlets?
nope

on the bright side, californians are dying
Used to park at the base to eat my lunch and watch for splashes
good times
 
2014-06-25 11:55:28 AM  

cryinoutloud: trappedspirit: It's called buyers remorse. It happens with all kinds of transactions. Don't be a dipshiat, if you make the bridge a non-suicide destination you won't be stopping one single suicide. And I don't care that you don't care because nobody cares. You approve of this solution because it appeals to your emotions but had zero, absolutely zero affect in reality other than to waste taxpayers money. So you must be a democrat.
Citation needed.


No, you need a citation that says building the bridge has increased suicides because that is what you are implying.
 
2014-06-25 11:59:11 AM  

Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 850x478] If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.


Apparently this is not true (that people will try to kill themselves after a failed attempt). Most of the time, they don't.
 
2014-06-25 12:05:18 PM  
I remember a few years back there was a bid to install anti-jump netting on the GG bridge, and the project cost was pretty damn high and the subject of much bickering on local talk radio.

I called into one such radio show and offered the far cheaper solution of installing elevated diving boards on the bridge.  It would cost tens of thousands of dollars less than the anti-jump netting. (Not my idea, Larry Niven)

They said the liability of installing diving boards would be way too high.

I rebutted that any liability would take care of itself at sea level.

They hung up on me.
 
2014-06-25 12:06:07 PM  
 
2014-06-25 12:07:03 PM  
I just wasted way too much time trying to find the Winsor McCay comic with the jumper that jumps off the Brooklyn Bridge gets near the water, rises back up in mid-air, only to get bonked on the head by a copper with a billyclub.  It's one of my favorite comic strips.

I really should stop eating that rarebit.
 
2014-06-25 12:08:38 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 850x478] If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.

Apparently this is not true (that people will try to kill themselves after a failed attempt). Most of the time, they don't.


The suicides will just move to another first attempt spot.

This at most will remove the taboo around the bridge as a suicide spot. Would be jumpers will go elsewhere and how far do you go to protect someone from their own actions?
 
2014-06-25 12:16:56 PM  
Well if you don't want them jumping off the bridge,

images.wikia.com
 
2014-06-25 12:22:07 PM  
So instead of ending up as shark bait, they get injured or killed hitting a net. Then they or there family sue the state because the net hurt them.
 
2014-06-25 12:28:14 PM  
why not just bomb Texas instead?
 
2014-06-25 12:28:19 PM  

trappedspirit: No, you need a citation that says building the bridge has increased suicides because that is what you are implying.


Oh bullshiat. Go smoke a bowl or something. That's not even what the issue is about. It's about just slowing down suicides from this one place.
 
2014-06-25 12:33:43 PM  

crackwhore: wow it must be so awesome to be  so self centered and calloused that you can not have empathy for others.   I wish I was like that.


No, it's called reality.  If you put nets up, that just takes this particular bridge off the very long list of ways to kill yourself.

/have lost two friends to suicide, have had one other friend attempt it and survived.
 
2014-06-25 12:34:25 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-25 12:34:37 PM  

Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 850x478] If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.


Exactly.
 
2014-06-25 12:35:31 PM  

Sean M: crackwhore: wow it must be so awesome to be  so self centered and calloused that you can not have empathy for others.   I wish I was like that.

No, it's called reality.  If you put nets up, that just takes this particular bridge off the very long list of ways to kill yourself.

/have lost two friends to suicide, have had one other friend attempt it and survived.


Did you ever consider your the common denominator?
 
2014-06-25 12:37:57 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 850x478] If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.

Apparently this is not true (that people will try to kill themselves after a failed attempt). Most of the time, they don't.


If you see a net around a bridge then isn't your first attempt being a failure a foregone conclusion? I can understand jumping hitting the water and surviving causing that effect but not when there was never any chance of you dying period.
 
2014-06-25 12:39:22 PM  

cryinoutloud: trappedspirit: No, you need a citation that says building the bridge has increased suicides because that is what you are implying.

Oh bullshiat. Go smoke a bowl or something. That's not even what the issue is about. It's about just slowing down suicides from this one place.


WTF, that's exactly what I am saying.  It's not about decreasing the number of suicides in general, it's just about making the bridge ugly and have less suicides happen there.  Because when I get all touristy, the first thing I consider before choosing a location to spend my tourist dollars is the number of suicides at that location.  So it's a smart move by everyone.
 
2014-06-25 12:43:58 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: GregInIndy: Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
 If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.

In about 80-90% of interviews with people who've survived bridge-jump suicide attempts the person says that the second they leap they wished they hadn't done it.

And I don't care how the bridge looks if it saves lives.

[www.kaneconsulting.biz image 300x230]


Ya, suicide is hilarious!
 
2014-06-25 12:46:43 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-25 12:58:23 PM  

nickdaisy: Ban

assault bridges!

ftfy
 
2014-06-25 01:01:17 PM  

cryinoutloud: trappedspirit: No, you need a citation that says building the bridge has increased suicides because that is what you are implying.

Oh bullshiat. Go smoke a bowl or something. That's not even what the issue is about. It's about just slowing down suicides from this one place.


Except that any measure to curtail suicides does NOT change the rate overall... or as

snake_beater: Walker: said. (the last sentence in the link), and I quote,"

While the Luminous Veil appears to have had the intended effect of preventing suicides on the Prince Edward Viaduct, it has had no appreciable effect on the total number of suicides in Toronto."

/Nuff said. It's their choice. Give them another option, like Heinlein's terminal terminal. It'll improve the general attitude of society, as a whole.
 
2014-06-25 01:27:58 PM  

trappedspirit: WTF, that's exactly what I am saying. It's not about decreasing the number of suicides in general, it's just about making the bridge ugly and have less suicides happen there. Because when I get all touristy, the first thing I consider before choosing a location to spend my tourist dollars is the number of suicides at that location. So it's a smart move by everyone.


Well so what? Maybe some city father or mother doesn't like the reputation the bridge has as a popular suicide destination. Maybe the San Francisco area doesn't like it. And as far as "pretty", yeah, it's a pretty bridge, but I'd still rather look at a tree. That's subjective. You could look at nets around the bridge and think of them as a compassionate move by the city. That makes them pretty.

If I was a tourist and I saw someone do a swan dive off the bridge, that would stick with me a lot longer than anything else I saw while I was touristing around San Francisco. (I'm still pretty creeped out just from watching that movie about it.) But if I saw them get saved by a net, it would be a great day. I'd be cheering for them. I'd probably go over and start counseling them as soon as they got rescued.
 
2014-06-25 01:34:45 PM  

way south: EngineerAU: way south: We could do something about the terrible state of the nations mental health care...

/or cover everything with nets, I guess.
/that works too.

I have no proof but my guess is that we can't solve the problem by simply cranking out more pills, psychologists, and group therapy sessions. It seems like a structural problem that goes to the heart of our society in the US. Most treatments would simply be a bandaid that keeps miserable people alive but miserable. Since I don't have a solution, maybe the bandaid approach is the best we can realistically do but I doubt it will work as well as many think.

More people means more unique problems and more media makes it seem like those problems are bigger and more relevant than they really are.

Ultimately fixing the mental health system means more people will avoid doing regrettable things by getting help. We get better at fixing their problems as we deal with them openly and honestly, and the chance for individual happiness increases along with the advancement of our skills.
...But we still live in a system that prides itself on freedom, which means some will abuse their privileges.

Ruining our ideals to fix a problem by the wrong methods almost always backfires. Because what will happen is the creation of a more restrictive and less beautiful world that throws another layer of paint over the problems it's ignoring.

/which leads to depression.
/which leads to more regrettable actions.



Nation Wondering Why Struggling Mental Health System Can't Just Pull Itself Together
 
2014-06-25 01:40:08 PM  

Ms.Gradenko: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: GregInIndy: Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
 If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.

In about 80-90% of interviews with people who've survived bridge-jump suicide attempts the person says that the second they leap they wished they hadn't done it.

And I don't care how the bridge looks if it saves lives.

[www.kaneconsulting.biz image 300x230]

Ya, suicide is hilarious!


Well, yeah..sometimes.

But, if I wasn't a misanthrope, I wouldn't be on here.
 
2014-06-25 01:45:35 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: A very unsettling documentary:

[forbesavenue.com image 300x300]


Yep! Haven't seen that in ages, but damn that was a dark, depressing film.
 
2014-06-25 02:13:13 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Ms.Gradenko: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: GregInIndy: Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
 If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.

In about 80-90% of interviews with people who've survived bridge-jump suicide attempts the person says that the second they leap they wished they hadn't done it.

And I don't care how the bridge looks if it saves lives.

[www.kaneconsulting.biz image 300x230]

Ya, suicide is hilarious!

Well, yeah..sometimes.

But, if I wasn't a misanthrope, I wouldn't be on here.


ah, touché!
 
2014-06-25 02:15:28 PM  

kling_klang_bed: thisisyourbrainonFark: A very unsettling documentary:
[forbesavenue.com image 300x300]
Yep! Haven't seen that in ages, but damn that was a dark, depressing film.


That's the one I was talking about. I couldn't stop watching.
 
2014-06-25 02:20:50 PM  

GregInIndy: Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
 If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.

In about 80-90% of interviews with people who've survived bridge-jump suicide attempts the person says that the second they leap they wished they hadn't done it.

And I don't care how the bridge looks if it saves lives.


reference? No? Ok, then bull shiat. If someone wants to kill themselves then why are we preventing them? Seriously, if you don't want to live on this planet any more then don't let me stop you.
 
2014-06-25 02:23:49 PM  

cryinoutloud: kling_klang_bed: thisisyourbrainonFark: A very unsettling documentary:
[forbesavenue.com image 300x300]
Yep! Haven't seen that in ages, but damn that was a dark, depressing film.

That's the one I was talking about. I couldn't stop watching.


neonized.net
 
2014-06-25 02:54:22 PM  

cryinoutloud: You could look at nets around the bridge and think of them as a compassionate move by the city.


Only if you were deluding yourself or justifying tax spending.
 
2014-06-25 02:55:55 PM  
What we really need to do is clone this guy.  One of the few cops I'd really like to buy a beer.

http://thetamnews.org/2013/02/to-protect-and-serve-suicide-preventio n- through-the-eyes-of-sergeant-kevin-briggs/

thetamnews.org
 
2014-06-25 03:01:33 PM  

cryinoutloud: I watched a documentary about people who jump off the GG bridge. One guy came back over and over again, kept looking over the side, paced back and forth, finally jumped. Another guy lived, and said that he was sorry he'd done it. The weird thing is, they have cameras all over the place, and whoever is watching, they can tell which people walking on the bridge are considering jumping, just by the way they act. And they zoom the cameras in on them and watch. Most of the movie was just from security camera footage. It was really interesting, but creepy as fark too.


I think it was called 'The Bridge'.
 
2014-06-25 04:18:08 PM  
They have emergency suicide phones all around Niagara Falls, but now I'm thinking net.
 
2014-06-25 04:21:05 PM  

trappedspirit: Only if you were deluding yourself or justifying tax spending.


You really can't be this stupid, can you?
 
2014-06-25 04:34:23 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: trappedspirit: Only if you were deluding yourself or justifying tax spending.

You really can't be this stupid, can you?


Well, if he's ignoring that trying to find the body in the water uses up resources/taxes... then sure, he probably thinks they're spending a lot of money.

Which costs more. Police and rescue resources being paid for by taxes to go out and find a body several times a year, or a net being put up using city money/tax money via labor costs
 
2014-06-25 04:34:43 PM  

Deep Contact: They have emergency suicide phones all around Niagara Falls, but now I'm thinking net.


Sticky phones with stretchy cords could be a good compromise solution.
 
2014-06-25 07:01:46 PM  

the_coach5040: I think it was called 'The Bridge'.


Oh, NOW you tell me.

trappedspirit: cryinoutloud: You could look at nets around the bridge and think of them as a compassionate move by the city.
Only if you were deluding yourself or justifying tax spending.


Uh, ....it's not? Because a lot of people who find it difficult to kill themselves one day, often change their minds the next. If they don't own a gun, they might never get the stones to actually go buy one. but if they already do.....

If there's nets around the Golden Gate Bridge, a few people wouldn't be able to walk out there so easily and jump off the side. And by the time they had to decide on another way to do it, they might decide to not do it at all. What are you, the freaking architect? Is a net a personal affront?

And I know that about suicide not only from reading, but from personal experience. If I'd owned a gun several years ago, I probably wouldn't be here right now. But I never could get around to parting with the money needed to buy that one.
 
2014-06-25 08:25:35 PM  

GregInIndy: Walker: Yes, because they then can't just jump off the nets.
 If people want to kill themselves they will. Stop ruining the iconic look of the bridge with these stupid nets.

In about 80-90% of interviews with people who've survived bridge-jump suicide attempts the person says that the second they leap they wished they hadn't done it.

And I don't care how the bridge looks if it saves lives.


Well, I don't care if it saves a thousand lives a year if it makes an iconic bridge look absolutely hideous.  And if it looks anything like the picture earlier in the thread, that's exactly what it would do.

I'm sorry, an iconic bridge is FAR more important than people who WANT to kill themselves.  Want to spend $76 million to prevent suicide?  Spend it on public mental health care.  It'll do FAR more good than destroying the architectural integrity of the farking Golden Gate Bridge.  Did you see that bit about Toronto, and the Bloor Viaduct?  People stopped jumping off the bridge as often - but there was ZERO reduction in suicide in Toronto.  It didn't work to stop any suicides, but it destroyed a beautiful piece of architecture.
 
2014-06-26 12:44:29 AM  
Bullshiat!
The bridge is public property, and taxes maintain it. DO NOT take away my scenic path to death!

What do ya want a bloody death at the local park in front of children? Let me jump.
 
2014-06-26 07:26:10 AM  

Stoker: Bullshiat!
The bridge is public property, and taxes maintain it. DO NOT take away my scenic path to death!

What do ya want a bloody death at the local park in front of children? Let me jump.


With that argument, the city will annoy you by spending the same amount of tax money to fund a new reality show called "Jumpers and the people they avoid taking with them"
 
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