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2014-06-25 03:39:18 PM  

farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.


no no no...they should hop into any yard they like without attempting to knock at the door or even look to see what's in the yard and if there happens to be a dog there who doesn't like that, welp...kapow!

Sorry homeowner, I'm a cop you see.
busy busy, gotta go.
 
2014-06-25 03:39:20 PM  

nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?


I have a GED in "Judge Judy" and it tells me the animal is considered property. When you deprive someone of their property you can only sue for what it costs to replace that property.
 
2014-06-25 03:39:24 PM  

jst3p: The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.

Thrilled that their kid isn't missing a neighbor's dog was killed for their own incompetence?


FTFY
 
2014-06-25 03:39:28 PM  
*horribly

/
 
2014-06-25 03:40:15 PM  

nyseattitude: insertsnarkyusername: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

How is he going to press charges? Call the police? Best he can do is sue them.

Take your lawyer down to the station and file a report and indicate you want to press charges. They will look at you with death ray eyes, but you can do it. You bring the lawyer so they can't ignore it.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, that wll yield results.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:37 PM  

kindms: namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.

or maybe go and knock on the door to the home and ask if you can look around ? I would imagine the homeowner would have said sure but let me get my dog out of the backyard first or my dog is in the back yard and hasn't alerted to intruders but lets go look.

Not john rambo over the fence and blast away.


Was the guy home? Because if the guy was home when this happened, I'm doubly pissed.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:39 PM  
shanrick:
img.fark.net


That dog is probably safe - he's not black.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:44 PM  

Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns


Right, because a fat white guy with a gun collection in his basement would definitely have shot the cop's gun out of his hand with a single well-aimed shot, and that dog would still be alive today. Is there a special medal for that? There should be.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:48 PM  
You are 100% wrong if you think the cops need a warrant to search your backyard. Both exigent circs and plain view doctrine apply here, and just because the kid was found later doesn't mean there wasn't an emergency at the time of the search.

Had the child been found dead in the backyard of the dog, people would be screaming at a different wrongdoer, amirite?

Now, with all that said, the only reasons to shoot a dog is if it is actually engaged in biting you or someone else; otherwise, pepper spray works great to stop a charge. Also, to the owner who will "only be satisfied" if the shooter is fired, well, dogs are property. It's not like he shot your child. So monetary damages are appropriate. Sorry about that.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:51 PM  

The Flexecutioner: jst3p: The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.

Thrilled that their kid isn't missing a neighbor's dog was killed for their own incompetence?

FTFY


I guess maybe, if they aren't dog people.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:58 PM  

nyseattitude: insertsnarkyusername: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

How is he going to press charges? Call the police? Best he can do is sue them.

Take your lawyer down to the station and file a report and indicate you want to press charges. They will look at you with death ray eyes, but you can do it. You bring the lawyer so they can't ignore it.


That works if your lawyer happens to be a prosecutor for the city you want to file charges in.
 
2014-06-25 03:41:07 PM  

farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.


I doubt the dog was even aggressive, do you believe anyone that has motivation to lie when they say stuff?
 
2014-06-25 03:41:25 PM  

cgraves67: This is kind of a legal gray area, but I'm going to side with the people who think that cops should have a warrant to enter your property without permission, even if they are looking for a missing child.


Legally, this is simply not true. If a guy with a bomb jumps over your fence while they're chasing him, the police do not need a warrant to follow him over if it's a threat to public safety. There's a lot of latitude there, because in an emergency it might not be possible to determine who the property owner is, much less get a warrant.

That law is there for a reason, and it is NOT the problem here. The problem is that American police are militarized past belief, and they act like soldiers, not civilians. Understandably there's a backlash over that. I was at dinner with a few people two months ago, and had approximately this conversation:

Acquaintance: Most of us don't expect civilians to understand all this.
Me: Thought you WERE a civilian. What unit are you with?
Acquaintance: I've been a police officer for 8 years.
Me: You're a civilian police officer. Military police officers are called MPs. You're a civilian.

He didn't like that. Too many cops want to be Seal Team Six, and "tac up" before every mission, but they still want to spend every night in a warm bed with the missus. If you want to be a hard tactical dude, join the infantry. If you're a cop, accept that you're a civilian who provides courteous service to other civilians.
 
2014-06-25 03:41:27 PM  

JesseL: shanrick:
[img.fark.net image 385x500]


That dog is probably safe - he's not black.


Oh wow, that was good! Wrong but good.
 
2014-06-25 03:42:10 PM  
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Even Pryz never shot a dog.
 
2014-06-25 03:42:22 PM  
As long as the cop goes home safe.......

to find his wife banging the day laborer mowing his lawn.
 
2014-06-25 03:42:31 PM  

The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.


I hope the cop gets a bullet to the head from some gangbanger.

\not willing to do it myself, but would not shed a single tear.
 
2014-06-25 03:44:11 PM  

nyseattitude: Take your lawyer down to the station and file a report and indicate you want to press charges. They will look at you with death ray eyes, but you can do it. You bring the lawyer so they can't ignore it.


Also bring your bus pass, because you'll never drive a car more than fifty feet in that town again.
 
2014-06-25 03:44:11 PM  

Giltric: As long as the cop goes home safe.......

to find his wife banging the day laborer mowing his lawn.


If the guy can bang his wife while mowing his lawn I say he deserves more than minimum wage, because that is impressive.
 
2014-06-25 03:44:54 PM  
HALT OR I"LL SHOOT, GINGER!

i19.photobucket.com

How much do you want to bet that the dog was brown?
 
2014-06-25 03:45:07 PM  

JesseL: shanrick:
[img.fark.net image 385x500]


That dog is probably safe - he's not black.


I don't know, I don't like the way he's smiling at me, better gun it down to be sure.
 
2014-06-25 03:45:10 PM  

jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.


Not if he got the Weimaraner from a breed specific rescue. They're only cheap when you compare them to getting from a breeder. My mutts from animal services were $50 dollars each with discount.
 
2014-06-25 03:45:18 PM  
Dog shot First.
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-25 03:46:01 PM  
When US Postal workers would walk their route, they usually carried a can of pepper spray.

What with cops having a few non-lethal varieties of self-defense weaponry available to them, and usually on their person, I'd agree that use of lethal force in this case is far and away incompetent. Wouldn't one expect to find unleashed dogs in a fenced in back yard? What a maroon!

Also, the Weimaraner now fits his name of Geist... (Gespenst)
 
2014-06-25 03:46:44 PM  
Offer to reimburse the OWNER the cost of the dog.
Or he can sue the kid's parents.

Or just save the taxpayers a lot of cash and quit looking for missing kids.

j/k
 
2014-06-25 03:47:24 PM  

namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.


It looked like it could be a drug dealers house.
 
2014-06-25 03:47:29 PM  
Remember folks; your dog is merely property and can be killed at will, while police dogs are actual officers and killing one is a capitol offense.

Your dog who's protecting you is a menace, their dog who's protecting them is a hero.
 
2014-06-25 03:48:52 PM  

LarryDan43: namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.

It looked like it could be a drug dealers house.


Well, the dog was a pit bull...
 
2014-06-25 03:49:09 PM  

CowardlyLion: Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst


Wow, every line in this post has the troll factor cranked to 11.
 
2014-06-25 03:50:07 PM  

CowardlyLion: Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns

1/10. Try harder.


Someone's sarcasm meter is broken.
 
2014-06-25 03:51:02 PM  

Texas Gabe: Remember folks; your dog is merely property and can be killed at will, while police dogs are actual officers and killing one is a capitol offense.

Your dog who's protecting you is a menace, their dog who's protecting them is a hero.


Even barking at a police dog --- oh sorry CANINE OFFICER -- will get you arrested.
Meanwhile it's perfectly acceptable (and legal) for cops --sorry pigs --- to shoot your dog in the face or slit its throat anytime they want.
 
2014-06-25 03:52:06 PM  

namegoeshere: LarryDan43: namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.

It looked like it could be a drug dealers house.

Well, the dog was a pit bull...


Needs a "law enforcement guide to glock/ak47"  but for pitbulls.
 
2014-06-25 03:52:56 PM  
I was going to make some stupid legal argument and see who would bite.  Got here late and they all have been made already.
 
2014-06-25 03:53:36 PM  
I seem to remember lots of stories about missing kids where the suspect had the body in the house, and when the cops went door to door, they couldnt just walk in and look around. This is what they say when people ask why didnt you find the now dead kid when you went to this person's house?  They say they were required to go and get a warrant, then search the house.

I think they were maybe okay to look, but knowing that he was basically at that point an intruder, the cop shouldve backed out of the yard and left.  He had no call to shoot a dog that was doing what it was trained to do on its own property.  I cant just shoot every dog that growls at me when I walk unknown and unaccompanied into its territory.

Lately, some Utah police seem to swing to the side of shooting at any danger (real or imagined) to themselves.  Its been a bad year for the police out here, a couple of officers ambushed by bad guys and killed, but i dont think your knee jerk reaction to any perceived threat should be to shoot.  Your job is dangerous, you accept that part when you sign up.  The public knows that and is usually grateful.  Your job being dangerous does not give you carte blanche to behave however you want. This cop ran the risk of getting bit, not killed.  Back away slowy, and mace the mutt if you have to.
 
2014-06-25 03:53:37 PM  

Target Builder: "A Salt Lake City man whose dog was killed by a police officer in its own backyard last Wednesday said he would not be satisfied unless the officer was fired from the force."

I predict that this man will not be satisfied.


Simple.
Wait till the cop is relaxing in his back yard and perform your own "search".
 
2014-06-25 03:53:39 PM  
My parents have a little yappy dog (18 pounds) I've wish would die for years now.  Bit my brother, my aunt, my wife, myself, the mailman (twice, mailman has also pepper sprayed him multiple times) and my dad continues to defend him due to the dog have "anxiety".

Finally, after years of praying and waiting, my dad (as he is prone to do) left the door open to have a conversation with some cops that were using his front yard to stake out a neighbor.  Little yappy dog rushing out and attacks one of the police officers, jumping up trying to attach himself to the guy's leg.  I'm not sure contact with skin was made, but there was a tooth hole in the pants leg of an official police uniform.

Cop has the AUDACITY to laugh it off.  He did not pepper spray, kick, taze, shoot multiple times, or even get upset and demand it be put down for assaulting a police officer.  Why?  Because it was a useless, annoying yappy dog and not a pit bull.

F'n cops.  I've wished evil things on that mongrel for years and my dad is just smart enough to point the finger at me if it ever died of tasty household cleaners.
 
2014-06-25 03:54:26 PM  

Giltric: namegoeshere: LarryDan43: namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.

It looked like it could be a drug dealers house.

Well, the dog was a pit bull...

Needs a "law enforcement guide to glock/ak47"  but for pitbulls.


t1.gstatic.com/hot
 
2014-06-25 03:58:55 PM  

Headso: farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.

I doubt the dog was even aggressive, do you believe anyone that has motivation to lie when they say stuff?



Well, first off, my statement above is predicated upon the truth that an angry dog will nearly always give chase and catch their target. The truth is, you don't ever turn and run from an angry dog unless you reasonably know you can get away. If you're unarmed and unable to safely escape, you stand the best chance for survival if you face the dog and make clear that you mean business...and look for a weapon.

In answer to your question; Everyone has some motivation to lie.
 
2014-06-25 04:00:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You are 100% wrong if you think the cops need a warrant to search your backyard. Both exigent circs and plain view doctrine apply here, and just because the kid was found later doesn't mean there wasn't an emergency at the time of the search.

Had the child been found dead in the backyard of the dog, people would be screaming at a different wrongdoer, amirite?

Now, with all that said, the only reasons to shoot a dog is if it is actually engaged in biting you or someone else; otherwise, pepper spray works great to stop a charge. Also, to the owner who will "only be satisfied" if the shooter is fired, well, dogs are property. It's not like he shot your child. So monetary damages are appropriate. Sorry about that.


not plain view doctrine at all. First of all the fence according to people here was a solid fence which the officer would have had to physically do something to be able to see over it. That would include trespass. Also the whole idea of curtilage is defeated as he had a fence and all courts recognize that curtilage stops at fences.

And exigent circumstances also do not apply.

example. robber runs in to an apartment building of lets say 100 units. That DOES NOT give the police the authority to search all 100 apartments for the perp. The only tie i have ever seen this done was the boston bomber search and that was so out of line I'm still not sure how they justified that.

Your kid goes missing the police can enter the curtilage of your property and look around but they cannot enter the home just as they have no right to hop fences as I would legally believe that to be part of your home.
 
2014-06-25 04:01:45 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: This happened about a quarter mile from my home.


**Fist Bump**

/Murray
 
2014-06-25 04:02:06 PM  

namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.


I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!
 
2014-06-25 04:04:31 PM  
Can anyone tell me, what does the law state about defending yourself against the police?  Like what if a cop tried to rape you?  Would it be illegal to resist?
 
2014-06-25 04:04:46 PM  

kindms: A missing child is not exigent circumstances for police to enter peoples property at will. If someone had scene the child enter the property maybe, or if they had tracks that leed there maybe but just because some kid goes missing doesn't give the police carte blanche to just enter your property and start looking around

This is total BS. The cop hopped a fence in to a random persons yard because missing kid, They obviously had nothing to indicate the kid was in that yard. And not only did the officer trespass he then used lethal force to protect himself from an animal with every right to be there.

This exact situation was on fark a few weeks ago,


Scene the kid, eh.
 
2014-06-25 04:05:24 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!


people aren't pissed about amber alerts, they are pissed about the amber alert phone notification system.
 
2014-06-25 04:05:25 PM  
I know it's typical that you can only sue for the replacement cost of your dog (though I thought I'd heard that some states were thinking of changing that, not sure) but what about mental anguish or that sort of thing?

You get a judge who loves his dog it seems like you could get a bigger judgement...or is that not something you can do?
 
2014-06-25 04:05:29 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!


I don't mind at all when there is enough information for me to possibly be able to do something about them. And if they are kept updated. Even if the girl had been kidnapped, this one was useless.
 
2014-06-25 04:06:21 PM  
What would the dimwit Joe the plumber guy say?

You missing retarded kid does not trump my 4th amendment protections.

Might be right here.
 
2014-06-25 04:06:27 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: kindms: A missing child is not exigent circumstances for police to enter peoples property at will. If someone had scene the child enter the property maybe, or if they had tracks that leed there maybe but just because some kid goes missing doesn't give the police carte blanche to just enter your property and start looking around

This is total BS. The cop hopped a fence in to a random persons yard because missing kid, They obviously had nothing to indicate the kid was in that yard. And not only did the officer trespass he then used lethal force to protect himself from an animal with every right to be there.

This exact situation was on fark a few weeks ago,

Scene the kid, eh.


ugh. i hate my terrible grammar / spelling choices. and this is actually a first for me with the scene / seen. UGH
 
2014-06-25 04:08:31 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: csb:

This happened about a quarter mile from my home.  We got a recorded phone call saying the kid was missing, his description, name, etc. and asking us to look in our backyard and car to see if he was there.  I looked around and he wasn't there.  Went out and looked again several more times throughout the evening and into the night.  Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.  They apparently don't make a follow up phone call to let you know he was found.  I went to look for the house where the dog was killed.  I'm not sure I had the right house, but if I did, it has a concrete fence around the backyard that looked like it could have been above eye level, so the officer may not have been able to look in and see the dog before he entered.  Not excusing the officer, but just explaining how things may have turned bad quickly.  Also, I don't think this article mentioned it, but the missing kid was apparently mentally disabled in some way and wasn't verbal and doesn't respond to his name being called.  I think that is why they went door-to-door and yard-to-yard so quickly even though the kid was in his basement.

/csb


Yeah, this pisses me off... It's getting to the point they can burn down your house with you inside, shoot anything that tries to come out, and wrap it all up with an 'Oops!' when it turns out they aren't even in the right farking state.
 
2014-06-25 04:08:43 PM  

moeburn: teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!

people aren't pissed about amber alerts, they are pissed about the amber alert phone notification system.


I'm not sure where you live, but I've never ever gotten an Amber Alert notification on my phone here in Chicago.  Can't you opt out of the notifications?
 
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