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2014-06-25 12:50:40 PM  
Pussy. A real cop slits a dog's throat...
 
2014-06-25 01:23:30 PM  
"There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking.

ROFL

this is why you SHOOT people who illegally trespass on your land.
No warrant? TRESPASS!!


LOL
good thing that the kid was at home the whole time.
assholes
 
2014-06-25 01:41:53 PM  
Thank goodness the kid is ok.

The last missing kid who was found in the basement was Jonbenet Ramsey.
 
2014-06-25 02:06:58 PM  
csb:

This happened about a quarter mile from my home.  We got a recorded phone call saying the kid was missing, his description, name, etc. and asking us to look in our backyard and car to see if he was there.  I looked around and he wasn't there.  Went out and looked again several more times throughout the evening and into the night.  Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.  They apparently don't make a follow up phone call to let you know he was found.  I went to look for the house where the dog was killed.  I'm not sure I had the right house, but if I did, it has a concrete fence around the backyard that looked like it could have been above eye level, so the officer may not have been able to look in and see the dog before he entered.  Not excusing the officer, but just explaining how things may have turned bad quickly.  Also, I don't think this article mentioned it, but the missing kid was apparently mentally disabled in some way and wasn't verbal and doesn't respond to his name being called.  I think that is why they went door-to-door and yard-to-yard so quickly even though the kid was in his basement.

/csb
 
2014-06-25 02:11:19 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: csb:

This happened about a quarter mile from my home.  We got a recorded phone call saying the kid was missing, his description, name, etc. and asking us to look in our backyard and car to see if he was there.  I looked around and he wasn't there.  Went out and looked again several more times throughout the evening and into the night.  Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.  They apparently don't make a follow up phone call to let you know he was found.  I went to look for the house where the dog was killed.  I'm not sure I had the right house, but if I did, it has a concrete fence around the backyard that looked like it could have been above eye level, so the officer may not have been able to look in and see the dog before he entered.  Not excusing the officer, but just explaining how things may have turned bad quickly.  Also, I don't think this article mentioned it, but the missing kid was apparently mentally disabled in some way and wasn't verbal and doesn't respond to his name being called.  I think that is why they went door-to-door and yard-to-yard so quickly even though the kid was in his basement.

/csb


I am 100% certain that the cops need a warrant to search your property.
The cop is lucky that the home owner didnt shoot the intruder in his backyard.

/of course, shooting a cop gets you a death by cop instant sentencing.
/we need to enact what they do in england and other safe countries, no more armed police.
/you need a GUN? call the swat team for armed response.
 
2014-06-25 02:18:41 PM  

namatad: I am 100% certain that the cops need a warrant to search your property.
The cop is lucky that the home owner didnt shoot the intruder in his backyard.


Please don't read my post as excusing the cop in any manner.  Whether he needed a warrant or not, I do not know.  And they were trying to act quickly to find a missing disabled kid, so they may have exceeded their authority with only good intentions.  But he shot a dog twice and killed it, and whether or not he was unable to see into the backyard, one might expect him to be more careful if he is entering an unknown area.  I merely posted to explain how it could have gone bad so quickly.  And, for the record, I'm not positive I was even looking at the right house.
 
2014-06-25 03:23:50 PM  
That's Ruff.
 
2014-06-25 03:25:46 PM  

namatad: I am 100% certain that the cops need a warrant to search your property.
The cop is lucky that the home owner didnt shoot the intruder in his backyard.


Exigent circumstances.

PhiloeBedoe: Pussy. A real cop slits a dog's throat...


Did that ever get greenlit?  Submitted that story from a few sources, don't remember seeing in on the main page.
 
2014-06-25 03:26:03 PM  
This is kind of a legal gray area, but I'm going to side with the people who think that cops should have a warrant to enter your property without permission, even if they are looking for a missing child.
 
2014-06-25 03:26:23 PM  
Wow. This thread is going to have everything.

/off to pop some corn
 
2014-06-25 03:27:02 PM  
Oh, come one, the cops really didn't
*clicks*
God damned pigs.
 
2014-06-25 03:27:30 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Pussy. A real cop slits a dog's throat...


canisbonus.com
come at me bro.
 
2014-06-25 03:28:29 PM  
Sleeping in the basement, let's welcome a new Farker.
 
2014-06-25 03:28:56 PM  
"A Salt Lake City man whose dog was killed by a police officer in its own backyard last Wednesday said he would not be satisfied unless the officer was fired from the force."

I predict that this man will not be satisfied.
 
2014-06-25 03:29:01 PM  

cgraves67: This is kind of a legal gray area, but I'm going to side with the people who think that cops should have a warrant to enter your property without permission, even if they are looking for a missing child.


But.....but.....extenuating circumstances*

*Anytime they are looking for somebody, be it a child, bank robber, Boston bomber, anyone they consider dangerous...so they can enter your backyard anytime they want basically.
 
2014-06-25 03:29:46 PM  

OregonVet: Wow. This thread is going to have everything.

/off to pop some corn


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-06-25 03:29:49 PM  
Huh, I was watching an episode of "Cops" where a kid was missing and the officer was talking about how they had people searching the home first - that most often missing children were just hiding in the home somewhere. So apparently that's something that's known. (In this case the child had crawled behind a dumpster and fallen asleep).

namatad: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking.

ROFL

this is why you SHOOT people who illegally trespass on your land.
No warrant? TRESPASS!!


LOL
good thing that the kid was at home the whole time.
assholes


You sound stable and reasonable. Just the kind of person I want waving a weapon around.

/yourenothelping.jgp
 
2014-06-25 03:29:59 PM  

vudukungfu: Oh, come one, the cops really didn't
*clicks*
God damned pigs.


Those were my thoughts as well, thought subby was just being snarky, clicks* nope.
/give that man the paid leave of absence he rightly deserves.
//farking pigs
 
2014-06-25 03:30:22 PM  
Gee, lets think this one through, officer. If you felt your life was in danger from a vicious dog as you crawl over their backyard fence, what are the chances a 9 year old boy would have done the same thing?
 
2014-06-25 03:31:08 PM  
Farker writes jumbled headline in own basement after writing the headline long and hard write and only writing one headline.
 
2014-06-25 03:31:22 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: namatad: I am 100% certain that the cops need a warrant to search your property.
The cop is lucky that the home owner didnt shoot the intruder in his backyard.

Exigent circumstances.

PhiloeBedoe: Pussy. A real cop slits a dog's throat...

Did that ever get greenlit?  Submitted that story from a few sources, don't remember seeing in on the main page.


A missing child is not exigent circumstances for police to enter peoples property at will. If someone had scene the child enter the property maybe, or if they had tracks that leed there maybe but just because some kid goes missing doesn't give the police carte blanche to just enter your property and start looking around

This is total BS. The cop hopped a fence in to a random persons yard because missing kid, They obviously had nothing to indicate the kid was in that yard. And not only did the officer trespass he then used lethal force to protect himself from an animal with every right to be there.

This exact situation was on fark a few weeks ago,
 
2014-06-25 03:31:29 PM  
The police love shooting dogs.  It's one of the little perks that helps get them through the day.
 
2014-06-25 03:31:50 PM  
"There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.
 
2014-06-25 03:32:14 PM  
"There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.
 
2014-06-25 03:32:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The police love shooting dogs.  It's one of the little perks that helps get them through the day.


It's gotten practically cartoonish. WTF is going on with these 'police'??

Someone will return fire, eventually. You watch.
 
2014-06-25 03:33:21 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: but if I did, it has a concrete fence around the backyard that looked like it could have been above eye level,


Likely. Probably a little 5' nuthin cop  with a Napoleon complex.
 
2014-06-25 03:33:31 PM  

nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.


In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.
 
2014-06-25 03:33:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-25 03:34:12 PM  
I understand that only minutes before that dog had slipped out of it's handcuffs.
 
2014-06-25 03:34:19 PM  

cgraves67: This is kind of a legal gray area, but I'm going to side with the people who think that cops should have a warrant to enter your property without permission, even if they are looking for a missing child.


Agreed. The problem with them making exceptions IMO is that it's easy for that to be abused. Just like the 'I smelled pot' excuse that some use already, and then they don't find a damn thing.

If you leave room for abuse and loopholes and your plan is to just hope that they use good judgement, then you're going to be disappointed.
 
2014-06-25 03:34:25 PM  

OregonVet: Wow. This thread is going to have everything.

/off to pop some corn

I'll be in my Lab.

www.labrador-retriever-guide.com
 
2014-06-25 03:34:39 PM  
i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.
 
2014-06-25 03:34:47 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
It looks like you're writing a piece about police brutality. Would you like to assign a hotkey for the phrase,
" The officer remains on duty while the department conducts an internal investigation? "
 
2014-06-25 03:35:06 PM  

nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.


How is he going to press charges? Call the police? Best he can do is sue them.
 
2014-06-25 03:35:58 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: csb:

This happened about a quarter mile from my home.  We got a recorded phone call saying the kid was missing, his description, name, etc. and asking us to look in our backyard and car to see if he was there.  I looked around and he wasn't there.  Went out and looked again several more times throughout the evening and into the night.  Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.  They apparently don't make a follow up phone call to let you know he was found.  I went to look for the house where the dog was killed.  I'm not sure I had the right house, but if I did, it has a concrete fence around the backyard that looked like it could have been above eye level, so the officer may not have been able to look in and see the dog before he entered.  Not excusing the officer, but just explaining how things may have turned bad quickly.  Also, I don't think this article mentioned it, but the missing kid was apparently mentally disabled in some way and wasn't verbal and doesn't respond to his name being called.  I think that is why they went door-to-door and yard-to-yard so quickly even though the kid was in his basement.

/csb


A missing non-verbal retard? Aside from the paperwork mess, why even bother looking?
 
2014-06-25 03:36:02 PM  
Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.
 
2014-06-25 03:36:03 PM  

namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.


or maybe go and knock on the door to the home and ask if you can look around ? I would imagine the homeowner would have said sure but let me get my dog out of the backyard first or my dog is in the back yard and hasn't alerted to intruders but lets go look.

Not john rambo over the fence and blast away.
 
2014-06-25 03:36:04 PM  

jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.


Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?
 
2014-06-25 03:36:37 PM  
Regardless of whether or not the circumstances meet the criteria for exigent circumstances, would it have been a major inconvenience for the cops to knock on the door first and inform the home owners what they were doing?
 
2014-06-25 03:36:38 PM  
remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns
 
2014-06-25 03:36:40 PM  

cgraves67: This is kind of a legal gray area, but I'm going to side with the people who think that cops should have a warrant to enter your property without permission, even if they are looking for a missing child.


You're probably wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exigent_circumstance_in_United_States_l aw

Remember, it's a child, there is nothing the law won't bend to to accommodate it.
 
2014-06-25 03:36:44 PM  
Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst
 
2014-06-25 03:37:20 PM  
Just once I would like to hear the officer misses his shot and gets mauled by a dog. Have him get so hooribly disfigured that he would scare KFC patrons.
 
2014-06-25 03:37:24 PM  

The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.


Thrilled that their kid isn't missing?
 
2014-06-25 03:37:27 PM  
CSB time!

We had some busybody from the HOA come by my parents house the other day; trying claiming their Boxer is really a Pitt Bull. Apparently, she got all indignant when my dad explained to her that he's not a Pitt. She also called the cops, I guess. Luckily for us; the responding officer recognized him as a boxer and told the busybody so.

/ just because he's brachycephalic doesn't mean he's a Pitt, lady

// brachycephalic means that he's got a squish face; like a pug or a bulldog
 
2014-06-25 03:38:17 PM  

Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns


1/10. Try harder.
 
2014-06-25 03:38:46 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

How is he going to press charges? Call the police? Best he can do is sue them.


Take your lawyer down to the station and file a report and indicate you want to press charges. They will look at you with death ray eyes, but you can do it. You bring the lawyer so they can't ignore it.
 
2014-06-25 03:38:48 PM  

Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns


Nobody says that ever. The ordinary cops probably shouldn't have guns to begin with. Let the call an armed response team if it can't be dealt with by mace and tasers.
 
2014-06-25 03:39:07 PM  

nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?


No its true but god forbid you hurt one of their "officers" they will charge you as if you assaulted an actual cop.
 
2014-06-25 03:39:09 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.


Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.
 
2014-06-25 03:39:18 PM  

farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.


no no no...they should hop into any yard they like without attempting to knock at the door or even look to see what's in the yard and if there happens to be a dog there who doesn't like that, welp...kapow!

Sorry homeowner, I'm a cop you see.
busy busy, gotta go.
 
2014-06-25 03:39:20 PM  

nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?


I have a GED in "Judge Judy" and it tells me the animal is considered property. When you deprive someone of their property you can only sue for what it costs to replace that property.
 
2014-06-25 03:39:24 PM  

jst3p: The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.

Thrilled that their kid isn't missing a neighbor's dog was killed for their own incompetence?


FTFY
 
2014-06-25 03:39:28 PM  
*horribly

/
 
2014-06-25 03:40:15 PM  

nyseattitude: insertsnarkyusername: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

How is he going to press charges? Call the police? Best he can do is sue them.

Take your lawyer down to the station and file a report and indicate you want to press charges. They will look at you with death ray eyes, but you can do it. You bring the lawyer so they can't ignore it.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, that wll yield results.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:37 PM  

kindms: namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.

or maybe go and knock on the door to the home and ask if you can look around ? I would imagine the homeowner would have said sure but let me get my dog out of the backyard first or my dog is in the back yard and hasn't alerted to intruders but lets go look.

Not john rambo over the fence and blast away.


Was the guy home? Because if the guy was home when this happened, I'm doubly pissed.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:39 PM  
shanrick:
img.fark.net


That dog is probably safe - he's not black.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:44 PM  

Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns


Right, because a fat white guy with a gun collection in his basement would definitely have shot the cop's gun out of his hand with a single well-aimed shot, and that dog would still be alive today. Is there a special medal for that? There should be.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:48 PM  
You are 100% wrong if you think the cops need a warrant to search your backyard. Both exigent circs and plain view doctrine apply here, and just because the kid was found later doesn't mean there wasn't an emergency at the time of the search.

Had the child been found dead in the backyard of the dog, people would be screaming at a different wrongdoer, amirite?

Now, with all that said, the only reasons to shoot a dog is if it is actually engaged in biting you or someone else; otherwise, pepper spray works great to stop a charge. Also, to the owner who will "only be satisfied" if the shooter is fired, well, dogs are property. It's not like he shot your child. So monetary damages are appropriate. Sorry about that.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:51 PM  

The Flexecutioner: jst3p: The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.

Thrilled that their kid isn't missing a neighbor's dog was killed for their own incompetence?

FTFY


I guess maybe, if they aren't dog people.
 
2014-06-25 03:40:58 PM  

nyseattitude: insertsnarkyusername: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

How is he going to press charges? Call the police? Best he can do is sue them.

Take your lawyer down to the station and file a report and indicate you want to press charges. They will look at you with death ray eyes, but you can do it. You bring the lawyer so they can't ignore it.


That works if your lawyer happens to be a prosecutor for the city you want to file charges in.
 
2014-06-25 03:41:07 PM  

farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.


I doubt the dog was even aggressive, do you believe anyone that has motivation to lie when they say stuff?
 
2014-06-25 03:41:25 PM  

cgraves67: This is kind of a legal gray area, but I'm going to side with the people who think that cops should have a warrant to enter your property without permission, even if they are looking for a missing child.


Legally, this is simply not true. If a guy with a bomb jumps over your fence while they're chasing him, the police do not need a warrant to follow him over if it's a threat to public safety. There's a lot of latitude there, because in an emergency it might not be possible to determine who the property owner is, much less get a warrant.

That law is there for a reason, and it is NOT the problem here. The problem is that American police are militarized past belief, and they act like soldiers, not civilians. Understandably there's a backlash over that. I was at dinner with a few people two months ago, and had approximately this conversation:

Acquaintance: Most of us don't expect civilians to understand all this.
Me: Thought you WERE a civilian. What unit are you with?
Acquaintance: I've been a police officer for 8 years.
Me: You're a civilian police officer. Military police officers are called MPs. You're a civilian.

He didn't like that. Too many cops want to be Seal Team Six, and "tac up" before every mission, but they still want to spend every night in a warm bed with the missus. If you want to be a hard tactical dude, join the infantry. If you're a cop, accept that you're a civilian who provides courteous service to other civilians.
 
2014-06-25 03:41:27 PM  

JesseL: shanrick:
[img.fark.net image 385x500]


That dog is probably safe - he's not black.


Oh wow, that was good! Wrong but good.
 
2014-06-25 03:42:10 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
Even Pryz never shot a dog.
 
2014-06-25 03:42:22 PM  
As long as the cop goes home safe.......

to find his wife banging the day laborer mowing his lawn.
 
2014-06-25 03:42:31 PM  

The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.


I hope the cop gets a bullet to the head from some gangbanger.

\not willing to do it myself, but would not shed a single tear.
 
2014-06-25 03:44:11 PM  

nyseattitude: Take your lawyer down to the station and file a report and indicate you want to press charges. They will look at you with death ray eyes, but you can do it. You bring the lawyer so they can't ignore it.


Also bring your bus pass, because you'll never drive a car more than fifty feet in that town again.
 
2014-06-25 03:44:11 PM  

Giltric: As long as the cop goes home safe.......

to find his wife banging the day laborer mowing his lawn.


If the guy can bang his wife while mowing his lawn I say he deserves more than minimum wage, because that is impressive.
 
2014-06-25 03:44:54 PM  
HALT OR I"LL SHOOT, GINGER!

i19.photobucket.com

How much do you want to bet that the dog was brown?
 
2014-06-25 03:45:07 PM  

JesseL: shanrick:
[img.fark.net image 385x500]


That dog is probably safe - he's not black.


I don't know, I don't like the way he's smiling at me, better gun it down to be sure.
 
2014-06-25 03:45:10 PM  

jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.


Not if he got the Weimaraner from a breed specific rescue. They're only cheap when you compare them to getting from a breeder. My mutts from animal services were $50 dollars each with discount.
 
2014-06-25 03:45:18 PM  
Dog shot First.
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-25 03:46:01 PM  
When US Postal workers would walk their route, they usually carried a can of pepper spray.

What with cops having a few non-lethal varieties of self-defense weaponry available to them, and usually on their person, I'd agree that use of lethal force in this case is far and away incompetent. Wouldn't one expect to find unleashed dogs in a fenced in back yard? What a maroon!

Also, the Weimaraner now fits his name of Geist... (Gespenst)
 
2014-06-25 03:46:44 PM  
Offer to reimburse the OWNER the cost of the dog.
Or he can sue the kid's parents.

Or just save the taxpayers a lot of cash and quit looking for missing kids.

j/k
 
2014-06-25 03:47:24 PM  

namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.


It looked like it could be a drug dealers house.
 
2014-06-25 03:47:29 PM  
Remember folks; your dog is merely property and can be killed at will, while police dogs are actual officers and killing one is a capitol offense.

Your dog who's protecting you is a menace, their dog who's protecting them is a hero.
 
2014-06-25 03:48:52 PM  

LarryDan43: namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.

It looked like it could be a drug dealers house.


Well, the dog was a pit bull...
 
2014-06-25 03:49:09 PM  

CowardlyLion: Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst


Wow, every line in this post has the troll factor cranked to 11.
 
2014-06-25 03:50:07 PM  

CowardlyLion: Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns

1/10. Try harder.


Someone's sarcasm meter is broken.
 
2014-06-25 03:51:02 PM  

Texas Gabe: Remember folks; your dog is merely property and can be killed at will, while police dogs are actual officers and killing one is a capitol offense.

Your dog who's protecting you is a menace, their dog who's protecting them is a hero.


Even barking at a police dog --- oh sorry CANINE OFFICER -- will get you arrested.
Meanwhile it's perfectly acceptable (and legal) for cops --sorry pigs --- to shoot your dog in the face or slit its throat anytime they want.
 
2014-06-25 03:52:06 PM  

namegoeshere: LarryDan43: namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.

It looked like it could be a drug dealers house.

Well, the dog was a pit bull...


Needs a "law enforcement guide to glock/ak47"  but for pitbulls.
 
2014-06-25 03:52:56 PM  
I was going to make some stupid legal argument and see who would bite.  Got here late and they all have been made already.
 
2014-06-25 03:53:36 PM  
I seem to remember lots of stories about missing kids where the suspect had the body in the house, and when the cops went door to door, they couldnt just walk in and look around. This is what they say when people ask why didnt you find the now dead kid when you went to this person's house?  They say they were required to go and get a warrant, then search the house.

I think they were maybe okay to look, but knowing that he was basically at that point an intruder, the cop shouldve backed out of the yard and left.  He had no call to shoot a dog that was doing what it was trained to do on its own property.  I cant just shoot every dog that growls at me when I walk unknown and unaccompanied into its territory.

Lately, some Utah police seem to swing to the side of shooting at any danger (real or imagined) to themselves.  Its been a bad year for the police out here, a couple of officers ambushed by bad guys and killed, but i dont think your knee jerk reaction to any perceived threat should be to shoot.  Your job is dangerous, you accept that part when you sign up.  The public knows that and is usually grateful.  Your job being dangerous does not give you carte blanche to behave however you want. This cop ran the risk of getting bit, not killed.  Back away slowy, and mace the mutt if you have to.
 
2014-06-25 03:53:37 PM  

Target Builder: "A Salt Lake City man whose dog was killed by a police officer in its own backyard last Wednesday said he would not be satisfied unless the officer was fired from the force."

I predict that this man will not be satisfied.


Simple.
Wait till the cop is relaxing in his back yard and perform your own "search".
 
2014-06-25 03:53:39 PM  
My parents have a little yappy dog (18 pounds) I've wish would die for years now.  Bit my brother, my aunt, my wife, myself, the mailman (twice, mailman has also pepper sprayed him multiple times) and my dad continues to defend him due to the dog have "anxiety".

Finally, after years of praying and waiting, my dad (as he is prone to do) left the door open to have a conversation with some cops that were using his front yard to stake out a neighbor.  Little yappy dog rushing out and attacks one of the police officers, jumping up trying to attach himself to the guy's leg.  I'm not sure contact with skin was made, but there was a tooth hole in the pants leg of an official police uniform.

Cop has the AUDACITY to laugh it off.  He did not pepper spray, kick, taze, shoot multiple times, or even get upset and demand it be put down for assaulting a police officer.  Why?  Because it was a useless, annoying yappy dog and not a pit bull.

F'n cops.  I've wished evil things on that mongrel for years and my dad is just smart enough to point the finger at me if it ever died of tasty household cleaners.
 
2014-06-25 03:54:26 PM  

Giltric: namegoeshere: LarryDan43: namegoeshere: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

It's a back yard. You look around from outside the fence. No kid. Yes dog. No need to enter.

So there was a solid fence. Who the hell would jump over, or enter an area with a solid fence without first looking to see what was on the other side? You climb up a bit. You look. The end.

Oh, and a child was not missing.

It looked like it could be a drug dealers house.

Well, the dog was a pit bull...

Needs a "law enforcement guide to glock/ak47"  but for pitbulls.


t1.gstatic.com/hot
 
2014-06-25 03:58:55 PM  

Headso: farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.

I doubt the dog was even aggressive, do you believe anyone that has motivation to lie when they say stuff?



Well, first off, my statement above is predicated upon the truth that an angry dog will nearly always give chase and catch their target. The truth is, you don't ever turn and run from an angry dog unless you reasonably know you can get away. If you're unarmed and unable to safely escape, you stand the best chance for survival if you face the dog and make clear that you mean business...and look for a weapon.

In answer to your question; Everyone has some motivation to lie.
 
2014-06-25 04:00:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You are 100% wrong if you think the cops need a warrant to search your backyard. Both exigent circs and plain view doctrine apply here, and just because the kid was found later doesn't mean there wasn't an emergency at the time of the search.

Had the child been found dead in the backyard of the dog, people would be screaming at a different wrongdoer, amirite?

Now, with all that said, the only reasons to shoot a dog is if it is actually engaged in biting you or someone else; otherwise, pepper spray works great to stop a charge. Also, to the owner who will "only be satisfied" if the shooter is fired, well, dogs are property. It's not like he shot your child. So monetary damages are appropriate. Sorry about that.


not plain view doctrine at all. First of all the fence according to people here was a solid fence which the officer would have had to physically do something to be able to see over it. That would include trespass. Also the whole idea of curtilage is defeated as he had a fence and all courts recognize that curtilage stops at fences.

And exigent circumstances also do not apply.

example. robber runs in to an apartment building of lets say 100 units. That DOES NOT give the police the authority to search all 100 apartments for the perp. The only tie i have ever seen this done was the boston bomber search and that was so out of line I'm still not sure how they justified that.

Your kid goes missing the police can enter the curtilage of your property and look around but they cannot enter the home just as they have no right to hop fences as I would legally believe that to be part of your home.
 
2014-06-25 04:01:45 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: This happened about a quarter mile from my home.


**Fist Bump**

/Murray
 
2014-06-25 04:02:06 PM  

namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.


I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!
 
2014-06-25 04:04:31 PM  
Can anyone tell me, what does the law state about defending yourself against the police?  Like what if a cop tried to rape you?  Would it be illegal to resist?
 
2014-06-25 04:04:46 PM  

kindms: A missing child is not exigent circumstances for police to enter peoples property at will. If someone had scene the child enter the property maybe, or if they had tracks that leed there maybe but just because some kid goes missing doesn't give the police carte blanche to just enter your property and start looking around

This is total BS. The cop hopped a fence in to a random persons yard because missing kid, They obviously had nothing to indicate the kid was in that yard. And not only did the officer trespass he then used lethal force to protect himself from an animal with every right to be there.

This exact situation was on fark a few weeks ago,


Scene the kid, eh.
 
2014-06-25 04:05:24 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!


people aren't pissed about amber alerts, they are pissed about the amber alert phone notification system.
 
2014-06-25 04:05:25 PM  
I know it's typical that you can only sue for the replacement cost of your dog (though I thought I'd heard that some states were thinking of changing that, not sure) but what about mental anguish or that sort of thing?

You get a judge who loves his dog it seems like you could get a bigger judgement...or is that not something you can do?
 
2014-06-25 04:05:29 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!


I don't mind at all when there is enough information for me to possibly be able to do something about them. And if they are kept updated. Even if the girl had been kidnapped, this one was useless.
 
2014-06-25 04:06:21 PM  
What would the dimwit Joe the plumber guy say?

You missing retarded kid does not trump my 4th amendment protections.

Might be right here.
 
2014-06-25 04:06:27 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: kindms: A missing child is not exigent circumstances for police to enter peoples property at will. If someone had scene the child enter the property maybe, or if they had tracks that leed there maybe but just because some kid goes missing doesn't give the police carte blanche to just enter your property and start looking around

This is total BS. The cop hopped a fence in to a random persons yard because missing kid, They obviously had nothing to indicate the kid was in that yard. And not only did the officer trespass he then used lethal force to protect himself from an animal with every right to be there.

This exact situation was on fark a few weeks ago,

Scene the kid, eh.


ugh. i hate my terrible grammar / spelling choices. and this is actually a first for me with the scene / seen. UGH
 
2014-06-25 04:08:31 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: csb:

This happened about a quarter mile from my home.  We got a recorded phone call saying the kid was missing, his description, name, etc. and asking us to look in our backyard and car to see if he was there.  I looked around and he wasn't there.  Went out and looked again several more times throughout the evening and into the night.  Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.  They apparently don't make a follow up phone call to let you know he was found.  I went to look for the house where the dog was killed.  I'm not sure I had the right house, but if I did, it has a concrete fence around the backyard that looked like it could have been above eye level, so the officer may not have been able to look in and see the dog before he entered.  Not excusing the officer, but just explaining how things may have turned bad quickly.  Also, I don't think this article mentioned it, but the missing kid was apparently mentally disabled in some way and wasn't verbal and doesn't respond to his name being called.  I think that is why they went door-to-door and yard-to-yard so quickly even though the kid was in his basement.

/csb


Yeah, this pisses me off... It's getting to the point they can burn down your house with you inside, shoot anything that tries to come out, and wrap it all up with an 'Oops!' when it turns out they aren't even in the right farking state.
 
2014-06-25 04:08:43 PM  

moeburn: teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!

people aren't pissed about amber alerts, they are pissed about the amber alert phone notification system.


I'm not sure where you live, but I've never ever gotten an Amber Alert notification on my phone here in Chicago.  Can't you opt out of the notifications?
 
2014-06-25 04:08:45 PM  
Dear local taxpayers.

One of our police officers shot a dog.

We're supposed to fire him, adding him to the roll of unemployed in our county. Oh, and sorry about wasting all that money of yours on training him.

But he shot a dog.

We haven't really had a chance to assess the situation, but the owner of the dog insists that we fire the officer. He also insists that we use some of your money to train our officers to better deal with aggressive dogs, which we think is a good use of your money. But yeah, we're also supposed to fire him...So. There you go.
 
2014-06-25 04:08:54 PM  

CowardlyLion: Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst


your name is very befitting.

maybe the police should be trained better...after all it was the officer who hopped the fence, not the dog.
 
2014-06-25 04:09:40 PM  

moeburn: Can anyone tell me, what does the law state about defending yourself against the police?  Like what if a cop tried to rape you?  Would it be illegal to resist?


You'd be in a rough spot.  The entire legal structure is pretty strongly slanted in the LEOs favor.
 
2014-06-25 04:10:09 PM  
Motherfarking piece of shiat pig. I thought the headline was a joke, but I should have known it wasn't. A cop isn't satisfied at the end of the day unless he's killed someone's dog, is he?

it was not even a shepherd or a pit bull, the coward pig shot one of these:

weimaranerdog.org
 
2014-06-25 04:11:50 PM  
I don't know if it has been said yet, but if a civilian harms a police dog, it is considered assaulting a police officer. If that idiotic law exists, the reverse should be true: if a cop kills a civilian's dog, he should be charged with murder.
 
2014-06-25 04:12:54 PM  

moeburn: Can anyone tell me, what does the law state about defending yourself against the police?  Like what if a cop tried to rape you?  Would it be illegal to resist?


If the defense had indisputable evidence of the cop's guilt (video, testimony, DNA, etc.) I'd put your chances of prevailing in court at, oh I don't know, about 50%? Maybe?
 
2014-06-25 04:14:06 PM  

moeburn: Can anyone tell me, what does the law state about defending yourself against the police?  Like what if a cop tried to rape you?  Would it be illegal to resist?


You are obligated to follow an officer's lawful orders. A cop trying to rape you is pretty clearly not lawful and you're entitled to resist that with the same force you would resist it from anyone else (and in many jurisdictions that includes the use of deadly force).

Of course with reality being what it is, you can expect to have a harder time proving yourself justified in defending yourself from a cop than from someone else.

In any case where you believe the officer's orders are unlawful but it's not a matter of life and death or avoiding a sexual assault, you're probably best off following the orders and having the matter sorted out in court later.
 
2014-06-25 04:14:22 PM  

jst3p: The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.

Thrilled that their kid isn't missing?


"Thrilled"? Their inability to check their own farking basement has resulted in someone's dog getting shot in its own backyard. I bet they feel pretty shiatty. Good thing it wasn't a person that cop shot, or these people would feel like garbage.

The cop would still feel great though.

nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?


Right now, the dog is considered"property". The owner is trying to get a bill introduced that will change that.

insertsnarkyusername: Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns

Nobody says that ever.It's definitely a common anti-gun argument. The ordinary cops probably shouldn't have guns to begin with. Let the call an armed response team if it can't be dealt with by mace and tasers.


FTFY

Maybe you're right, nobody says "only" the police. They like to go ahead and throw the military in as well. So it's the military and the police that should be the only ones to carry guns, according to a large portion of the anti-gun crowd. And they say it all kinds of "ever".
 
2014-06-25 04:14:24 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: moeburn: teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!

people aren't pissed about amber alerts, they are pissed about the amber alert phone notification system.

I'm not sure where you live, but I've never ever gotten an Amber Alert notification on my phone here in Chicago.  Can't you opt out of the notifications?


I live in Toronto, so I don't know what the fark you Americans are talking about when you talk about amber alert notifications.  But from what I hear from farkers, I think it's a rural thing.
 
2014-06-25 04:14:33 PM  

moeburn: Can anyone tell me, what does the law state about defending yourself against the police?  Like what if a cop tried to rape you?  Would it be illegal to resist?


You'd have to live long enough to make it to trial.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-06-25 04:15:41 PM  
The article is not clear on whether the cop:

A. entered the yard unaware of the dog, then shot it because of its reaction.

B. entered the yard aware of the dog, then shot it because it acted as expected and tried to defend the yard from/growled at the intruder.

C. shot the dog preemptively because they feared the dog and wanted to enter and search the yard.

"A" is perhaps defensible.  "B" and "C" are not.
 
2014-06-25 04:15:49 PM  
You know why all these dogs are getting shot?  Because cops have stopped carrying pepper spray, because their tasers work so well, but your department would rather you shoot a dog with a $0.70 bullet, then a fifty dollar per shot taser.
 
2014-06-25 04:16:31 PM  
Too bad he didn't kill the retard in the basement. Seriously, sounds like that kid's "disorder" runs in the family.
 
2014-06-25 04:17:48 PM  

moeburn: I live in Toronto, so I don't know what the fark you Americans are talking about when you talk about amber alert notifications. But from what I hear from farkers, I think it's a rural thing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert#Canada

"Canada's system began in December 2002, when Alberta launched the first province-wide system. At the time, Alberta Solicitor-General Heather Forsyth said "We anticipate an Amber Alert will only be issued once a year in Alberta. We hope we never have to use it, but if a child is abducted Amber Alert is another tool police can use to find them and help them bring the child home safely."[29] The Alberta government committed to spending more than CA$1 million to expanding the province's emergency warning system so that it could be used effectively for Amber Alerts.[29] Other Canadian provinces soon adopted the system, and by May 2004 Saskatchewan was the only province that had not established an Amber Alert system.[30] Within the next year, the program was in use throughout the country.
"
 
2014-06-25 04:19:06 PM  
Its like they just look for any excuse to shoot a dog...
 
2014-06-25 04:19:09 PM  
Has this always happened, or is this just a case of more of these stories are getting reported?  I grew up in the suburbs of LA back in the 1980's and I don't recall stories about dogs getting shot all that often, and generally is was because the dog itself was dangerous.
 
2014-06-25 04:22:33 PM  
I'd farking flip if someone hurt my dog. I imagine id end up in jail from my rage blackout.
 
2014-06-25 04:25:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The police love shooting dogs.  It's one of the little perks that helps get them through the day.


I'm really beginning to believe this.  Also, why can't they use pepper spray?
 
2014-06-25 04:25:27 PM  

farkin_Gary: In answer to your question; Everyone has some motivation to lie.


That actually doesn't answer my question, my question was do you believe everything that anyone with motivation to lie has to say or just the police?
 
2014-06-25 04:27:05 PM  

lostcat: Dear local taxpayers.

One of our police officers shot a dog.

We're supposed to fire him, adding him to the roll of unemployed in our county. Oh, and sorry about wasting all that money of yours on training him.

But he shot a dog.

We haven't really had a chance to assess the situation, but the owner of the dog insists that we fire the officer. He also insists that we use some of your money to train our officers to better deal with aggressive dogs, which we think is a good use of your money. But yeah, we're also supposed to fire him...So. There you go.


Yes, you fire him.  Sooner the better.  You don't wait till officer hair trigger screws up again and cost the taxpayers millions in court fees and damages when the department gets sued.  The least expensive option for the taxpayers is to fire him immediately.

As it is they'll probably get sued over the dog being shot.  A cop with this kind of stellar judgement is too big a liability to leave on the force.
 
2014-06-25 04:29:37 PM  

Eirik: Has this always happened, or is this just a case of more of these stories are getting reported?  I grew up in the suburbs of LA back in the 1980's and I don't recall stories about dogs getting shot all that often, and generally is was because the dog itself was dangerous.


Did you have internet access?
 
2014-06-25 04:29:42 PM  

Headso: farkin_Gary: In answer to your question; Everyone has some motivation to lie.

That actually doesn't answer my question, my question was do you believe everything that anyone with motivation to lie has to say or just the police?


If anything I think it's remarkable when someone voluntarily tells the unvarnished truth.  Maybe 1 in 20 people will actually do that.  The odds are probably much lower with cops as public opinion has a strong effect on their employment.
 
2014-06-25 04:29:53 PM  

unexplained bacon: I know it's typical that you can only sue for the replacement cost of your dog (though I thought I'd heard that some states were thinking of changing that, not sure) but what about mental anguish or that sort of thing?

You get a judge who loves his dog it seems like you could get a bigger judgement...or is that not something you can do?


Nope.

Unless you can show intentional infliction of emotional distress - which requires you to prove the dog was shot with the specific intent of causing you emotional harm, and not for other reasons- you are SOL, at least as far as court is concerned.
 
2014-06-25 04:30:25 PM  
Within the last couple years it seem that there is a growing number of incidents where police shoot family pets for no reason other than "We will not be punished for it."

But then again, maybe they just need to add some stimulation to their spank banks....Kathryn Johnston isnt doing it for them any more....
 
2014-06-25 04:31:43 PM  

lindalouwho: Thank goodness the kid is ok.

The last missing kid who was found in the basement was Jonbenet Ramsey.


Well, her parents can't be expected to kill everybody's kids.
 
2014-06-25 04:31:57 PM  

jst3p: Giltric: As long as the cop goes home safe.......

to find his wife banging the day laborer mowing his lawn.

If the guy can bang his wife while mowing his lawn I say he deserves more than minimum wage, because that is impressive.


I would at least expect a discount on the mowing bill...
 
2014-06-25 04:35:37 PM  

DubtodaIll: Headso: farkin_Gary: In answer to your question; Everyone has some motivation to lie.

That actually doesn't answer my question, my question was do you believe everything that anyone with motivation to lie has to say or just the police?

If anything I think it's remarkable when someone voluntarily tells the unvarnished truth.  Maybe 1 in 20 people will actually do that.  The odds are probably much lower with cops as public opinion has a strong effect on their employment.


if this all happened in front of 30 people and cujo is coming at him he has no reason to lie and therefore we can all assume that the statement that made it's way into the news is actually him telling the truth. When that isn't the case and the guy speaking for for the cops keeps hedging by saying things like "i wasn't there" and "possibly" then we can use that as a test to figure out who the bootlickers are when they rush in to the thread to tell everyone about this aggressive and angry dog.
 
2014-06-25 04:37:19 PM  
 
2014-06-25 04:41:14 PM  

JesseL: moeburn: I live in Toronto, so I don't know what the fark you Americans are talking about when you talk about amber alert notifications. But from what I hear from farkers, I think it's a rural thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert#Canada

"Canada's system began in December 2002, when Alberta launched the first province-wide system. At the time, Alberta Solicitor-General Heather Forsyth said "We anticipate an Amber Alert will only be issued once a year in Alberta. We hope we never have to use it, but if a child is abducted Amber Alert is another tool police can use to find them and help them bring the child home safely."[29] The Alberta government committed to spending more than CA$1 million to expanding the province's emergency warning system so that it could be used effectively for Amber Alerts.[29] Other Canadian provinces soon adopted the system, and by May 2004 Saskatchewan was the only province that had not established an Amber Alert system.[30] Within the next year, the program was in use throughout the country.
"


Correction:  I am in Ontario and I have no idea what the rest of you are talking about.  And Alberta is basically the 51st State of America.
 
2014-06-25 04:44:46 PM  

jst3p: nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?

I have a GED in "Judge Judy" and it tells me the animal is considered property. When you deprive someone of their property you can only sue for what it costs to replace that property.


While this has been true in the past, just recently the Texas Supreme Court has determined that an owner could get damages for the negligent loss of their pet.  (the dog was euthanized mistakenly at an animal shelter).

In 1963, Texas adopted a "sentimental value rule," which provided that if property is wrongfully destroyed and that property had no market value, then the parties involved could sue.  But they never applied sentimental value to a pet.  You could only ever recover the replacement cost of your pet. Not any more, and it happened in Texas!

That said, there are also sovereign immunity laws that often apply to municipalities, so they may be screwed anyway.

/Lawyer IRL
 
2014-06-25 04:45:31 PM  
0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2014-06-25 04:45:45 PM  
cowardlylion-

your rational speaks volumes on your idiocy.  in the unlikely event that you grow up,  try reading some science articles on our advancements in knowledge on the intelligence of animals.
 
2014-06-25 04:46:04 PM  

sufferpuppet: lostcat: Dear local taxpayers.
One of our police officers shot a dog.
We're supposed to fire him, adding him to the roll of unemployed in our county. Oh, and sorry about wasting all that money of yours on training him.
But he shot a dog.
We haven't really had a chance to assess the situation, but the owner of the dog insists that we fire the officer. He also insists that we use some of your money to train our officers to better deal with aggressive dogs, which we think is a good use of your money. But yeah, we're also supposed to fire him...So. There you go.
Yes, you fire him.  Sooner the better.  You don't wait till officer hair trigger screws up again and cost the taxpayers millions in court fees and damages when the department gets sued.  The least expensive option for the taxpayers is to fire him immediately.
As it is they'll probably get sued over the dog being shot.  A cop with this kind of stellar judgement is too big a liability to leave on the force.


Yes, I gotta agree with firing him. Poor decision making under pressure. Too quick to go for lethal solutions.
 
2014-06-25 04:48:41 PM  

ZeroPly: Too many cops want to be Seal Team Six


I take it you have seen this:
Oops, officers throw the flash-bang grenade into baby's crib
 
2014-06-25 04:51:21 PM  

ChipNASA: Dog shot First.
[img.fark.net image 573x448]


I was waiting for that to appear again.  The neighbor's goofy lab biatches do the opposite...they ingest bees.  Their idea of entertainment is to stand over a beehive in the ground in their backyard and gulp down bees one at a time as they emerge.
 
2014-06-25 04:51:38 PM  
Let's try this again

 ZeroPly: Too many cops want to be Seal Team Six

I take it you have seen this:
Oops, officers throw the flash-bang grenade into baby's crib
 
2014-06-25 04:53:09 PM  

RedT: jst3p: nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?

I have a GED in "Judge Judy" and it tells me the animal is considered property. When you deprive someone of their property you can only sue for what it costs to replace that property.

While this has been true in the past, just recently the Texas Supreme Court has determined that an owner could get damages for the negligent loss of their pet.  (the dog was euthanized mistakenly at an animal shelter).

In 1963, Texas adopted a "sentimental value rule," which provided that if property is wrongfully destroyed and that property had no market value, then the parties involved could sue.  But they never applied sentimental value to a pet.  You could only ever recover the replacement cost of your pet. Not any more, and it happened in Texas!

That said, there are also sovereign immunity laws that often apply to municipalities, so they may be screwed anyway.

/Lawyer IRL


I ANAL and I am not a lawyer but you link seems to say the opposite of what you said it said.

The Supreme Court reversed, holding that under established legal doctrine, recovery in pet-death cases is, barring legislative reclassification, limited to "loss of value, not loss of relationship."
 
2014-06-25 04:54:54 PM  

JesseL: You are obligated to follow an officer's lawful orders. A cop trying to rape you is pretty clearly not lawful and you're entitled to resist that with the same force you would resist it from anyone else (and in many jurisdictions that includes the use of deadly force).


Actually, courts have decided that you're obligated to obey an officer's unlawful orders as well, up until they're causing grievous bodily harm or something.  If they're just illegally arresting you or something you're supposed to complain to the courts.

JesseL: In any case where you believe the officer's orders are unlawful but it's not a matter of life and death or avoiding a sexual assault, you're probably best off following the orders and having the matter sorted out in court later.


Yup.  Our views are a difference of degree, not substance.
 
2014-06-25 04:55:22 PM  
What still confuses me is why cops aren't taught at cop school how to deal with dogs. How many pet dogs are there in the US? Millions? Tens of millions? It doesn't have to be a months long in-depth class...just basic common sense. Just seems like an obvious thing to me...
 
2014-06-25 04:55:38 PM  
This is a worry to me..my 60+ parents trained a doberman as a family pet after years of breeding boxers, and their neighborhood took a nasty turn after 30+ years of living there...the doberman follows my parents like a baby...all of the neighbors fear her because she looks frightening..lots of disjointed family rentals now and disputes over whatever nonsense..she never leaves the fenced in yard, but she looks intimidating. ..
 
2014-06-25 04:57:20 PM  
I would love it if the home-owner in this case has security cameras set up - I'd immediately push that thing onto YOUTUBE and let the world see what a pussy looks like.
 
2014-06-25 04:57:30 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: they may have exceeded their authority with only good intentions


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  That's why the founders included the 4th amendment.  So the cops can't throw your rights to the wind whenever they find them inconvenient.  Just because a child is involved doesn't give them the right to trespass and kill an innocent dog.  Overstepping their authority is overstepping their authority regardless of the reason.  Stop justifying bad behavior or it will continue to get worse.  What's next?  Should they kick in doors and search the homes of everyone that's not home in case the child got into one those homes?  They had the best of intentions right?

Remember people "BEWARE OF THE DOG" and  "NO TRESPASSING" signs aren't just to protect stupid people from your dog.  They are also to protect you and your dog from stupid people like this cop.
 
2014-06-25 04:58:00 PM  

iheartscotch: CSB time!

We had some busybody from the HOA come by my parents house the other day; trying claiming their Boxer is really a Pitt Bull. Apparently, she got all indignant when my dad explained to her that he's not a Pitt. She also called the cops, I guess. Luckily for us; the responding officer recognized him as a boxer and told the busybody so.

/ just because he's brachycephalic doesn't mean he's a Pitt, lady

// brachycephalic means that he's got a squish face; like a pug or a bulldog


This thread does have everything!!!!!
 
2014-06-25 05:01:10 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: namatad: I am 100% certain that the cops need a warrant to search your property.
The cop is lucky that the home owner didnt shoot the intruder in his backyard.

Exigent circumstances.

PhiloeBedoe: Pussy. A real cop slits a dog's throat...

Did that ever get greenlit?  Submitted that story from a few sources, don't remember seeing in on the main page.


I submitted it from WBAL TV's site and still got redlit. I think the Admins have it out for me.
 
2014-06-25 05:02:12 PM  

iheartscotch: CSB time!

We had some busybody from the HOA come by my parents house the other day; trying claiming their Boxer is really a Pitt Bull. Apparently, she got all indignant when my dad explained to her that he's not a Pitt. She also called the cops, I guess. Luckily for us; the responding officer recognized him as a boxer and told the busybody so.

/ just because he's brachycephalic doesn't mean he's a Pitt, lady

// brachycephalic means that he's got a squish face; like a pug or a bulldog


Or this guy:


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-25 05:06:13 PM  

dolphinsgonwild: Gee, lets think this one through, officer. If you felt your life was in danger from a vicious dog as you crawl over their backyard fence, what are the chances a 9 year old boy would have done the same thing?


The kid might have fallen into the yard somehow. Or the kid might have entered the yard while the dog was sleeping or out of sight.
 
2014-06-25 05:08:34 PM  

jst3p: RedT: jst3p: nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?

I have a GED in "Judge Judy" and it tells me the animal is considered property. When you deprive someone of their property you can only sue for what it costs to replace that property.

While this has been true in the past, just recently the Texas Supreme Court has determined that an owner could get damages for the negligent loss of their pet.  (the dog was euthanized mistakenly at an animal shelter).

In 1963, Texas adopted a "sentimental value rule," which provided that if property is wrongfully destroyed and that property had no market value, then the parties involved could sue.  But they never applied sentimental value to a pet.  You could only ever recover the replacement cost of your pet. Not any more, and it happened in Texas!

That said, there are also sovereign immunity laws that often apply to municipalities, so they may be screwed anyway.

/Lawyer IRL

I ANAL and I am not a lawyer but you link seems to say the opposite of what you said it said.

The Supreme Court reversed, holding that under established legal doctrine, recovery in pet-death cases is, barring legislative reclassification, limited to "loss of value, not loss of relationship."


Ah crap,my bad, you're right.  I knew the Supremes were hearing it and found an article about it but I was mistakenly reading about the Fort Worth Appellate Court's decision.  Decided to post the actual Sup Ct decision, which did in face did overturn the Appellate Court.

/Well, we are Texas.
//would hate to put an insurance company in jeopardy
 
2014-06-25 05:10:20 PM  

moeburn: teenytinycornteeth: moeburn: teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!

people aren't pissed about amber alerts, they are pissed about the amber alert phone notification system.

I'm not sure where you live, but I've never ever gotten an Amber Alert notification on my phone here in Chicago.  Can't you opt out of the notifications?

I live in Toronto, so I don't know what the fark you Americans are talking about when you talk about amber alert notifications.  But from what I hear from farkers, I think it's a rural thing.


They show amber alerts in toronto on the Digital highway signs.  Only other place I've ever seen them is running across the bottom of local tv stations.
 
2014-06-25 05:12:49 PM  

iheartscotch: CSB time!

We had some busybody from the HOA come by my parents house the other day; trying claiming their Boxer is really a Pitt Bull. Apparently, she got all indignant when my dad explained to her that he's not a Pitt. She also called the cops, I guess. Luckily for us; the responding officer recognized him as a boxer and told the busybody so.

/ just because he's brachycephalic doesn't mean he's a Pitt, lady

// brachycephalic means that he's got a squish face; like a pug or a bulldog


When I was a kid we had a dog officer try and seize our purebred Blue Merle Collie because she, a cop who drove by, and whatever busybody called the cops thought he was a Timber Wolf.  My mother had to show her his AKC paperwork before she would believe he wasn't a wolf/hybrid.
 
2014-06-25 05:15:30 PM  
Ironically if a criminal harms police dog snapping at his throat its a crime.
 
2014-06-25 05:18:32 PM  

Mikey1969: jst3p: The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.

Thrilled that their kid isn't missing?

"Thrilled"? Their inability to check their own farking basement has resulted in someone's dog getting shot in its own backyard. I bet they feel pretty shiatty. Good thing it wasn't a person that cop shot, or these people would feel like garbage.

The cop would still feel great though.

nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?

Right now, the dog is considered"property". The owner is trying to get a bill introduced that will change that.

insertsnarkyusername: Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns

Nobody says that ever.It's definitely a common anti-gun argument. The ordinary cops probably shouldn't have guns to begin with. Let the call an armed response team if it can't be dealt with by mace and tasers.

FTFY

Maybe you're right, nobody says "only" the police. They like to go ahead and throw the military in as well. So it's the military and the police that should be the only ...


Nobody wants to take your guns away. This is America, it won't happen. The only people saying guns are going to get taken away are people trying to fearmonger to make a political point.
 
2014-06-25 05:19:45 PM  

Callous: Three Crooked Squirrels: they may have exceeded their authority with only good intentions

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  That's why the founders included the 4th amendment.  So the cops can't throw your rights to the wind whenever they find them inconvenient.  Just because a child is involved doesn't give them the right to trespass and kill an innocent dog.  Overstepping their authority is overstepping their authority regardless of the reason.  Stop justifying bad behavior or it will continue to get worse.  What's next?  Should they kick in doors and search the homes of everyone that's not home in case the child got into one those homes?  They had the best of intentions right?

Remember people "BEWARE OF THE DOG" and  "NO TRESPASSING" signs aren't just to protect stupid people from your dog.  They are also to protect you and your dog from stupid people like this cop.


What if the home owner did have signs posted for "Beware of Dog"?

Not that he should have to, but just wondering if that would change anything here in terms of the cop being found guilty of bad judgement...or possibly give the home owner more leverage in court for a better settlement...
 
2014-06-25 05:21:32 PM  
I used to care for a Weimaraner for a year. Sweetest clown. That cop needs a change of career, but he probably couldn't be trusted with a mop and a bucket of water.
 
2014-06-25 05:24:38 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Nobody wants to take your guns away. This is America, it won't happen. The only people saying guns are going to get taken away are people trying to fearmonger to make a political point.


I didn't say anyone wanted my guns. I merely pointed out that plenty of people take the stance of "Only the police/military should have guns', despite your assertion that "nobody" says that. There are people who state it on the national scene quite frequently. Like I said, it doesn't mean that I believe them, just that the OP had a valid point.
 
2014-06-25 05:25:45 PM  
remember kids:

Cop dog = officer

your dog = property
 
2014-06-25 05:25:54 PM  

johnh2005: Callous: Three Crooked Squirrels: they may have exceeded their authority with only good intentions

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  That's why the founders included the 4th amendment.  So the cops can't throw your rights to the wind whenever they find them inconvenient.  Just because a child is involved doesn't give them the right to trespass and kill an innocent dog.  Overstepping their authority is overstepping their authority regardless of the reason.  Stop justifying bad behavior or it will continue to get worse.  What's next?  Should they kick in doors and search the homes of everyone that's not home in case the child got into one those homes?  They had the best of intentions right?

Remember people "BEWARE OF THE DOG" and  "NO TRESPASSING" signs aren't just to protect stupid people from your dog.  They are also to protect you and your dog from stupid people like this cop.

What if the home owner did have signs posted for "Beware of Dog"?

Not that he should have to, but just wondering if that would change anything here in terms of the cop being found guilty of bad judgement...or possibly give the home owner more leverage in court for a better settlement...


Idk for sure, but I have heard that those signs can actually work against you. If you have a beware of dog sign up it means you know your dog is dangerous, somehow this makes you MORE liable if someone gets bit.
 
2014-06-25 05:29:10 PM  

Headso: farkin_Gary: In answer to your question; Everyone has some motivation to lie.

That actually doesn't answer my question, my question was do you believe everything that anyone with motivation to lie has to say or just the police?


Unless it can be independently confirmed, I don't believe much that anyone has to say, most especially the police.


Yeah, I've been lied to a lot.
 
2014-06-25 05:32:49 PM  

Mikey1969: insertsnarkyusername: Nobody wants to take your guns away. This is America, it won't happen. The only people saying guns are going to get taken away are people trying to fearmonger to make a political point.

I didn't say anyone wanted my guns. I merely pointed out that plenty of people take the stance of "Only the police/military should have guns', despite your assertion that "nobody" says that. There are people who state it on the national scene quite frequently. Like I said, it doesn't mean that I believe them, just that the OP had a valid point.


Who is saying that? Name them.
 
2014-06-25 05:33:13 PM  

haolegirl: johnh2005: Callous: Three Crooked Squirrels: they may have exceeded their authority with only good intentions

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  That's why the founders included the 4th amendment.  So the cops can't throw your rights to the wind whenever they find them inconvenient.  Just because a child is involved doesn't give them the right to trespass and kill an innocent dog.  Overstepping their authority is overstepping their authority regardless of the reason.  Stop justifying bad behavior or it will continue to get worse.  What's next?  Should they kick in doors and search the homes of everyone that's not home in case the child got into one those homes?  They had the best of intentions right?

Remember people "BEWARE OF THE DOG" and  "NO TRESPASSING" signs aren't just to protect stupid people from your dog.  They are also to protect you and your dog from stupid people like this cop.

What if the home owner did have signs posted for "Beware of Dog"?

Not that he should have to, but just wondering if that would change anything here in terms of the cop being found guilty of bad judgement...or possibly give the home owner more leverage in court for a better settlement...

Idk for sure, but I have heard that those signs can actually work against you. If you have a beware of dog sign up it means you know your dog is dangerous, somehow this makes you MORE liable if someone gets bit.


I don't see how it could leave you more liable, but it would definitely take away the cop's ability to say the dog surprised him or that he didn't know he was there, eliminating the split second decision defense..
 
2014-06-25 05:36:25 PM  
Are there 'find my keys' devices that use your smartphone?
Put one on the kid.

'Find my lost dog' GPS collars?
Put one on the kid.

Invisible fence (tm) collars?
Put one on the kid.
 
2014-06-25 05:38:28 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Mikey1969: jst3p: The Flexecutioner: i hope the cop's 'property' gets destroyed and someone gets away with it too.  fark them in the ass with a hot fireplace poker.  how could they not search the home first?  fire him and the others for that level of incompetence.  it doesnt even need to be about the dog.

i wonder how the children's parents feel now that they know they didnt check the farking basement.

Thrilled that their kid isn't missing?

"Thrilled"? Their inability to check their own farking basement has resulted in someone's dog getting shot in its own backyard. I bet they feel pretty shiatty. Good thing it wasn't a person that cop shot, or these people would feel like garbage.

The cop would still feel great though.

nyseattitude: jst3p: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

In the end all he can sue for is replacement cost of the dog, I guess if it were a rescue that would be 0.

Seriously? Why is that?

Or am I missing a joke?

Right now, the dog is considered"property". The owner is trying to get a bill introduced that will change that.

insertsnarkyusername: Headso: remember the police should be the only people allowed to carry guns

Nobody says that ever.It's definitely a common anti-gun argument. The ordinary cops probably shouldn't have guns to begin with. Let the call an armed response team if it can't be dealt with by mace and tasers.

FTFY

Maybe you're right, nobody says "only" the police. They like to go ahead and throw the military in as well. So it's the military and the police that should b ...


In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.
 
2014-06-25 05:40:24 PM  

moeburn: I live in Toronto, so I don't know what the fark you Americans are talking about when you talk about amber alert notifications.  But from what I hear from farkers, I think it's a rural thing.


Not rural, just local.  We used to get them on the radio in Dallas all the time.  The whole idea of Amber Alerts started in the DFW metroplex, so the local police were pretty eager to issue them.  Since then I've lived in other cities where I heard much fewer, but I will still see one on my phone or a highway sign every once in a while when traveling (way too often with stupidly little information, like the local authorities don't understand the whole point).
 
2014-06-25 05:51:25 PM  
Can we PLEASE make it legal to shoot the cop who shoots our dog?
 
2014-06-25 05:59:54 PM  
haolegirl
What still confuses me is why cops aren't taught at cop school how to deal with dogs. How many pet dogs are there in the US? Millions? Tens of millions? It doesn't have to be a months long in-depth class...just basic common sense. Just seems like an obvious thing to me...

What are police not taught to deal with people with mental issues, dogs, drunk people, ect.

Because they are protected by law and can do pretty much whatever they want until they piss off their department and have to move on.
 
2014-06-25 06:04:07 PM  

cgraves67: This is kind of a legal gray area, but I'm going to side with the people who think that cops should have a warrant to enter your property without permission, even if they are looking for a missing child.


I'm pretty sure they do. I used to live along a prison transport route, and twice we were asked if the police could search out properrty for escapees. They wouldn't ask if they didn't have to. Also, if he has a concrete fence, why did the officer need to go into it? The kid couldn't get into it, so skip it. The sweep is for a child who wandered off, not a kidnapped child.

That said, the dog owner sounds weird. Member of the family? Maybe in spirit, but it's not some child. And what the hell is up with his concrete fence?
 
2014-06-25 06:10:02 PM  

Tyrosine: Regardless of whether or not the circumstances meet the criteria for exigent circumstances, would it have been a major inconvenience for the cops to knock on the door first and inform the home owners what they were doing?


that's way too rational. better to jump over the fence and murder an animal. hooo rah!
 
2014-06-25 06:11:58 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: The only people saying guns are going to get taken away are people trying to fearmonger to make a political point.


And, people who benefit from gun/ammo sales
 
2014-06-25 06:14:24 PM  

moeburn: teenytinycornteeth: moeburn: teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!

people aren't pissed about amber alerts, they are pissed about the amber alert phone notification system.

I'm not sure where you live, but I've never ever gotten an Amber Alert notification on my phone here in Chicago.  Can't you opt out of the notifications?

I live in Toronto, so I don't know what the fark you Americans are talking about when you talk about amber alert notifications.  But from what I hear from farkers, I think it's a rural thing.


You should probably leave your basement once in a while. You might find out what the rest of the country, including your own city is doing.
http://www.wirelessamber.ca/faq.html
 
2014-06-25 06:17:02 PM  
Again, there is a lot of "what-if" and "maybe this" kind of arguments about the cops actions. We should just equip them all with go-pros and we can see if he acted appropriately. But I feel most are right who say he will escape punishment if it is deserved. "Under investigation" is just a way to delay until the press dies down.

Hey, we are giving them guns and the right to detain citizens. We should expect some oversight. Not just in this case, but overall. We need to break that Blue Shield, that code of silence,
 
2014-06-25 06:17:12 PM  

Headso: farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.

I doubt the dog was even aggressive, do you believe anyone that has motivation to lie when they say stuff?


Right. The cop shot the dog because he's a cat guy.

/common sense
 
2014-06-25 06:17:34 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Nobody wants to take your guns away. This is America, it won't happen. The only people saying guns are going to get taken away are people trying to fearmonger to make a political point.


Probably
images.politico.com
 
2014-06-25 06:22:28 PM  

JesseL: CowardlyLion: Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst

Wow, every line in this post has the troll factor cranked to 11.


It's kind of easy when you've got people crying over someone else's dead dog, the owner from the article trying to get the law changed so that dogs get human rights, and people crying for the murder of the officer because e shot a dog that was probably biting him.

It sucks for this guy in the article but the rest of you will get over it.
 
2014-06-25 06:27:00 PM  

Mikey1969: jst3p: The Flexecutioner:

Right now, the dog is considered"property". The owner is trying to get a bill introduced that will change that.


They're pushing for this in Quebec. I'm not certain, but the way it was explained to me at a rally I attended, this might also have an adverse effect on halal/kosher.
 
2014-06-25 06:31:00 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: JesseL: CowardlyLion: Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst

Wow, every line in this post has the troll factor cranked to 11.

It's kind of easy when you've got people crying over someone else's dead dog, the owner from the article trying to get the law changed so that dogs get human rights, and people crying for the murder of the officer because e shot a dog that was probably biting him.

It sucks for this guy in the article but the rest of you will get over it.



Eh, in the heat of the moment I'd probably use deadly force against someone who tries to kill my dog.

I know better, but this is one of those things where logic isn't particularly persuasive. My dog is "just a dog" but my brain has him pretty well wired into the same area that's aimed at keeping my son safe, and that's not an instinct that anyone should fark with lightly.
 
2014-06-25 06:33:37 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Headso: farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.

I doubt the dog was even aggressive, do you believe anyone that has motivation to lie when they say stuff?

Right. The cop shot the dog because he's a cat guy.

/common sense


My dog is big but not the slightest bit aggressive. He's a big slobbery love. But he will run right at you. Of course, he's thinking HI HI HI OMG I LOVE YOU COME PET ME HI HI HI GOT TREAT?? I don't let him off leash because I know this could be scary to a non big dog lover. (And because I don't believe dogs should be off leash in non-dog areas.) But if someone came into my fenced yard and shot him, I'd be pissed.

Weimaraners (sp?) that I have known have had that personality. Poor doggie was probably after some lovin', and gets double tapped for his trouble.
 
2014-06-25 06:34:43 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: It's kind of easy when you've got people crying over someone else's dead dog


Calm your tits, Casey.
 
2014-06-25 06:38:52 PM  
The nasty, psycho little Brittany Spaniel I jog past, however...

If a cop shot that little f*cker, I'd campaign for his promotion.
 
2014-06-25 06:49:15 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: JesseL: CowardlyLion: Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst

Wow, every line in this post has the troll factor cranked to 11.

It's kind of easy when you've got people crying over someone else's dead dog, the owner from the article trying to get the law changed so that dogs get human rights, and people crying for the murder of the officer because e shot a dog that was probably biting him.

It sucks for this guy in the article but the rest of you will get over it.


i think what everyone is bothered by is that the cop had to trespass onto this guy's property before he could encounter the dog as the dog was properly contained.  Had the cop been on the sidewalk or street and the dog was not properly contained and gotten aggressive with the cop it would be a completely different story.

What outrages people is if a regular Joe(even if he was helping to look for the child) had jumped this guy's fence and put two rounds in the dog's head he would be sitting in jail right now as he should,  He would be facing trespassing and weapons charges.  Yet cops can break the law with impunity and aren't even held to account when people or pets are killed as a result.
 
2014-06-25 06:49:26 PM  

cgraves67: This is kind of a legal gray area, but I'm going to side with the people who think that cops should have a warrant to enter your property without permission, even if they are looking for a missing child.


If there were a good reason to believe that the missing child had been taken into that yard or that house, I believe it would make sense to claim it falls under the "exigent circumstances", and so no warrant needed to search.

But "We are searching for a missing child" should not mean "We can go any damn place we want, without a warrant, and we can shoot dogs if we happen across one" doesn't fit that bill.  And he wouldn't have been able to get a warrant, since he had absolutely no reason to believe that the child was in that yard.  He was wandering around randomly, and when the dog barked at him he decided to kill it.

The dogs owner wants him fired.  Personally, I think he should be fired and charged with animal abuse or whatever you or I would be charged with if we decided it would be fun to kill a dog.
 
2014-06-25 06:51:07 PM  
How come nobody mentioned the guy just go and kill the police officers family dog for the fun of it?  It'll only cost him the price of a dog right?  That might be the way I would deal with a situation like that... specially if I didn't get a result that I felt was fair.
 
2014-06-25 06:52:08 PM  

namegoeshere: Cerebral Ballsy: Headso: farkin_Gary: Police officers should always turn their backs and run away from angry dogs.


Always.

I doubt the dog was even aggressive, do you believe anyone that has motivation to lie when they say stuff?

Right. The cop shot the dog because he's a cat guy.

/common sense

My dog is big but not the slightest bit aggressive. He's a big slobbery love. But he will run right at you. Of course, he's thinking HI HI HI OMG I LOVE YOU COME PET ME HI HI HI GOT TREAT?? I don't let him off leash because I know this could be scary to a non big dog lover. (And because I don't believe dogs should be off leash in non-dog areas.) But if someone came into my fenced yard and shot him, I'd be pissed.

Weimaraners (sp?) that I have known have had that personality. Poor doggie was probably after some lovin', and gets double tapped for his trouble.


First shot was probably point blank to the head as the dog sat in front of him with its tail wagging waiting to be petted.

Second shot was probably into the ground to pretend the cop was firing under stress and missed the first shot as a vicious attack dog whos lineage can be traced back to the guard shack at treblinka made threatening motions.
 
2014-06-25 06:56:26 PM  

moeburn: Can anyone tell me, what does the law state about defending yourself against the police?  Like what if a cop tried to rape you?  Would it be illegal to resist?


In Indiana you can't do squat if they kick the door down without a warrant. Got people pretty riled up when this came down.

LINK
 
2014-06-25 06:58:06 PM  

JesseL: Cerebral Ballsy: JesseL: CowardlyLion: Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst

Wow, every line in this post has the troll factor cranked to 11.

It's kind of easy when you've got people crying over someone else's dead dog, the owner from the article trying to get the law changed so that dogs get human rights, and people crying for the murder of the officer because e shot a dog that was probably biting him.

It sucks for this guy in the article but the rest of you will get over it.


Eh, in the heat of the moment I'd probably use deadly force against someone who tries to kill my dog.

I know better, but this is one of those things where logic isn't particularly persuasive. My dog is "just a dog" but my brain has him pretty well wired into the same area that's aimed at keeping my son safe, and that's not an instinct that anyone should fark with lightly.


It's like that for everyone and their own pets. Hell, your dog is probably a really nice dog, and even if he was a yapper, I'd hate to see him shot.

But these articles are written to produce clicks. The dog could have bitten the officer and that tidbit could have been left out to produce just enough outrage to land on Fark and score more hits. I would not put anything past news producers any more; I've just seen way too much one-sided and incomplete stories.

I try to assume the likely scenario.
 
2014-06-25 06:58:09 PM  
Oh, good, another imbecile with a badge.  I really wish the PD's would update their hiring standards to Moron and try really hard for Borderlines.

What really makes me laugh is that we expect these big, tough, roided out cops NOT to shoot people, because they are all macho and stuff, but fact is, they are all into the standoff weapons, swat teams and the like - bunch of pansies the entire lot of them, not one of 'em able to take a man their size unaided by their taser or hollow metal baton.

Crime goes down, cost of cops goes up, you CAN'T explain that....

But go ahead and keep shooting our dogs, it really makes us love you back.
 
2014-06-25 07:13:21 PM  

lostcat: Dear local taxpayers.

One of our police officers shot a dog.

We're supposed to fire him, adding him to the roll of unemployed in our county. Oh, and sorry about wasting all that money of yours on training him.

But he shot a dog.

We haven't really had a chance to assess the situation, but the owner of the dog insists that we fire the officer. He also insists that we use some of your money to train our officers to better deal with aggressive dogs, which we think is a good use of your money. But yeah, we're also supposed to fire him...So. There you go.


Dear Chief:

One of your Prized Officers jumped over a concrete fence no 3 year old could possibly have climbed over and was surprised by a dog.

Already demonstrating his dismal judgment by hopping a really tall fence in the blind, he then decides that the ONLY way he can SURVIVE is to shoot the dog twice.

Such a big, brave man surely is wasted as a SLC cop and should be immediately repurposed as a fly-wing remover.

Good luck hiring his replacement, try for a smart one next time OK?

The Taxpayers
 
2014-06-25 07:37:36 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy:
That said, the dog owner sounds weird. Member of the family? Maybe in spirit, but it's not some child. And what the hell is up with his concrete fence?

Where I live we call a concrete fence a 'wall'.  I bet your one of those fancy high-nosed teadrinkers that calls your car hole a 'garage' too.
 
2014-06-25 07:38:21 PM  

LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.


Who?
 
2014-06-25 07:39:50 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?


Heh. Didn't like my response?
 
2014-06-25 07:43:11 PM  
Here's the thing.

Any time we have a cop-shoots-dog thread, we have the usual idiots from the 101st Keyboard Brigade, Flying Humane Society Division, calling for the death of the cop, the rights of the dog/dog's owner, how cops killing dogs are getting so out of hand and cops just love to kill dogs, etc. etc.

However. Whenever we have a dog-eats-toddler thread, we have the usual idiots from the 101st Keyboard Brigade, Anti-Pit Bull Special Ops Unit, proclaiming just as loudly that pit bulls are dogs from hell, they should all be euthanized for the good of humanity, anyone who keeps them should be shot as well, and deriding the subversive Pits Are Pets! fifth columnists who claim there are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

Look, cops are people too. People who get to carry guns and wear body armor for a living, but they're still people. They hear all the same stories about how killer dogs are going to rip your lungs out the first chance they get (plus extra stories about how meth dealers train their dogs to start with cops' balls and chew slowly). A lot of people, of which cops are some, currently believe that any barking dog is a) a pit bull and b) is going to kill them. And why? Because besides the cop-shoots-dog stories, there are just as many dog-eats-toddler stories, telling everyone how evil and vicious dogs are. And who is usually on the receiving end of REALLY mean dogs? Cops.

So sure, cops get trigger-happy when they're confronted with barking, charging dogs. In a case like this, where we don't know the full circumstances of why the cop was in the yard, it's hard to say exactly why Officer Sureshot didn't just hop back over the fence; but I guarantee you he did not, as some of the Flying Humane Society Division think, climb over that fence looking for an innocent puppy to gun down. It's for sure he shouldn't have been in that yard; but that's another story entirely.

But the real issue is that the cop shouldn't have been in that yard; once he was there, when confronted by a snarling, barking, angry dog, OF COURSE, he was going to shoot it, because nowadays dog=pit bull. Just like gun=assault rifle. I'm not saying that's right, but it's the way things are, and we all can change that.
 
2014-06-25 07:45:25 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Heh. Didn't like my response?


Feinstein wanting to ban "assault weapons" is neither here nor there in what we are discussing.
 
2014-06-25 07:48:54 PM  

Gyrfalcon: But the real issue is that the cop shouldn't have been in that yard; once he was there, when confronted by a snarling, barking, angry dog,


Absolutely right on the first part. No proof combined with wild speculation on the second part. None of us were there and this dog was not a Pit.
 
2014-06-25 07:49:10 PM  
You search people search are search slacking. Search 170 search comments search and search not search one search of search you search has search called search out search Subbysearch on search the search headline search yet search?

/shocking search
 
2014-06-25 07:51:38 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Heh. Didn't like my response?

Feinstein wanting to ban "assault weapons" is neither here nor there in what we are discussing.


http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/10/obama-suggests-us-needs-ban-on-sem ia utomatic-automatic-weapons/

Is a ban on semi autos too nuanced?
 
2014-06-25 07:51:59 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Heh. Didn't like my response?

Feinstein wanting to ban "assault weapons" is neither here nor there in what we are discussing.


Ah, got it. Now know exactly where you are coming from.
 
2014-06-25 07:59:08 PM  

sporkme: In Indiana you can't do squat if they kick the door down without a warrant. Got people pretty riled up when this came down.


I remember an incident like this.  It actually ended up with a 'nasty anti-cop' law being passed by the legislature and signed by the governor with massive public support(except by cops).

Roughly speaking, the courts went 'you have no right...' and the legislature went 'yeah, about that'.
 
2014-06-25 08:04:07 PM  

Giltric: insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Heh. Didn't like my response?

Feinstein wanting to ban "assault weapons" is neither here nor there in what we are discussing.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/10/obama-suggests-us-needs-ban-on-sem ia utomatic-automatic-weapons/

Is a ban on semi autos too nuanced?


A trashy conservative websites cherry picks Obama quotes and then fills in the blanks to create the impression that Obama wants to seize your guns? Has that ever happened before?
 
2014-06-25 08:05:35 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: moeburn: teenytinycornteeth: namegoeshere: Three Crooked Squirrels: Apparently he was found before we even got the recorded phone call.

Grrrr... there was an Amber Alert originating several hours away from me, no details, just a common type of car and a license plate. Like even if I was driving in the area I would have checked my phone for the license plate number every time I passed a similar car. It buzzed my phone every ten minutes all freakin' afternoon. And evening, and in the middle of the night. Long after they had arrested the faked-my-own-kidnapping little chippie for stealing the car and a gun herself.

I guess I never thought I'd see the day when people were pissed about Amber Alerts.  Here's something weird...I don't get them sent to my phone and as a result they don't "buzz all freakin' afternoon".  Take a little initiative so those dang missing kids don't have to ruin your day!

people aren't pissed about amber alerts, they are pissed about the amber alert phone notification system.

I'm not sure where you live, but I've never ever gotten an Amber Alert notification on my phone here in Chicago.  Can't you opt out of the notifications?


This was upstate NY in my hometown, and I'm pretty sure this was the first time it was used.  I didn't get it, my iPhone is not equipped (only iPhone 4S and above), but a wide area did, as OP stated, he's a few hours away.  People said their phone wouldn't stop alerting until they acknowledged the text, but I didn't hear anyone say it went off repeatedly after that.  Someone said you can opt out of the alerts by turning off the GPS and alerts, I don't know.
 
2014-06-25 08:16:15 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Giltric: insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Heh. Didn't like my response?

Feinstein wanting to ban "assault weapons" is neither here nor there in what we are discussing.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/10/obama-suggests-us-needs-ban-on-sem ia utomatic-automatic-weapons/

Is a ban on semi autos too nuanced?

A trashy conservative websites cherry picks Obama quotes and then fills in the blanks to create the impression that Obama wants to seize your guns? Has that ever happened before?


No usually they refer to his campaign website and his votes and quotes as a senator where he wanted to ban guns....pistols and semi autos IIRC.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/barack_obama_gun_control.htm

Next thing you will tell me is Obama has not responsible for his subordinates actions....unlike Christie....right?
 
2014-06-25 08:16:56 PM  

Giltric: insertsnarkyusername: Giltric: insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Heh. Didn't like my response?

Feinstein wanting to ban "assault weapons" is neither here nor there in what we are discussing.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/10/obama-suggests-us-needs-ban-on-sem ia utomatic-automatic-weapons/

Is a ban on semi autos too nuanced?

A trashy conservative websites cherry picks Obama quotes and then fills in the blanks to create the impression that Obama wants to seize your guns? Has that ever happened before?

No usually they refer to his campaign website and his votes and quotes as a senator where he wanted to ban guns....pistols and semi autos IIRC.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/barack_obama_gun_control.htm

Next thing you will tell me is Obama has is not responsible for his subordinates actions....unlike Christie....right?

 
2014-06-25 08:17:34 PM  

Well I just googled the phrase "only the police should have guns" and this was the first result:


                                                                                                                                          NO GUNS!

by Sarah, age 10

"I think all guns should be banned. The only exception is for police officers. I have 3 uncles who are police officers, and they have guns just to protect us. It definitely makes us safer IF it is in a police officer's hands."

Prominent people indeed.
 
2014-06-25 08:22:55 PM  

Liliac_Hill: but I didn't hear anyone say it went off repeatedly after that.


It went off repeatedly after that.
 
2014-06-25 08:22:56 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Well I just googled the phrase "only the police should have guns" and this was the first result:


                                                                                                                                          NO GUNS!by Sarah, age 10"I think all guns should be banned. The only exception is for police officers. I have 3 uncles who are police officers, and they have guns just to protect us. It definitely makes us safer IF it is in a police officer's hands."

Prominent people indeed.


You should google "false equivalence fallacy".
 
2014-06-25 08:24:10 PM  

Giltric: insertsnarkyusername: Giltric: insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Heh. Didn't like my response?

Feinstein wanting to ban "assault weapons" is neither here nor there in what we are discussing.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/10/obama-suggests-us-needs-ban-on-sem ia utomatic-automatic-weapons/

Is a ban on semi autos too nuanced?

A trashy conservative websites cherry picks Obama quotes and then fills in the blanks to create the impression that Obama wants to seize your guns? Has that ever happened before?

No usually they refer to his campaign website and his votes and quotes as a senator where he wanted to ban guns....pistols and semi autos IIRC.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/barack_obama_gun_control.htm

Next thing you will tell me is Obama has not responsible for his subordinates actions....unlike Christie....right?


He's never been pro gun and not shy about it. But you are grasping at straws here.
 
2014-06-25 08:32:37 PM  

CowardlyLion: Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired

Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.

/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst


At least we have the IQ to understand the articles that we read, you vapid POS.
 
2014-06-25 08:47:33 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?


Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.
 
2014-06-25 08:49:58 PM  
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Salt Lake man wants police officer who killed his dog fired
Waaaaah. STFU and train your next dog not to attack the police.
/it's a dog--grow the fark up
//white people are the farking worst


I like this idea.  People in the US are already learning that police can be an explosive id device if not handled carefully.  Why not do this for dogs too?  Have them tased or fed nasty tasting food by a person in various officer uniforms until they are afraid to approach
 
2014-06-25 08:55:25 PM  
Maybe the dog had a gun. Article didn't say. Bet none of you thought of that.
 
2014-06-25 09:07:03 PM  

Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.


That's better but it's still not what I was arguing against. But thank you for providing actual evidence.
 
2014-06-25 09:07:52 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

How is he going to press charges? Call the police? Best he can do is sue them.


In Utah, that sadly appears to be correct.

In many states, a citizen can go to a magistrate and swear out a warrant.  Utah seems to have no such procedure, and appears to require all charges to go through a prosecutor.

Where I am, I can go straight to a judge, present my case, and if the judge believes me, have a warrant issued.  If that happens, the cop will be arrested.  The cop would likely be immediately released after booking, and the prosecutor may dismiss the charges, but it at least forces them to look at it, and the cop gets a black mark on his record for having been arrested.
 
2014-06-25 09:07:55 PM  

Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.


And that wasn't all guns that was "assault weapons".
/bet she couldn't even pull close to 51 votes for that.
 
2014-06-25 09:08:50 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

That's better but it's still not what I was arguing against. But thank you for providing actual evidence.


What, exactly, are you arguing against?
 
2014-06-25 09:10:30 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

And that wasn't all guns that was "assault weapons".
/bet she couldn't even pull close to 51 votes for that.


Duh, it's almost like Reid and the DNC allowing her to go off after Newtown was self-defeating.
 
2014-06-25 09:19:38 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

That's better but it's still not what I was arguing against. But thank you for providing actual evidence.

What, exactly, are you arguing against?


A couple posters kept insisting that "prominent people in politics want to ban and seize all guns". It's a pet peeve of mine because I have a lot of family and old friends from heavily red areas that like to go on about that. Funny thing is that nobody can ever find any real evidence.

Frankly I think Feinstein is an idiot and her gun bans are basically political posturing that really don't do much when you look at them. A lot of us lefties are gun owners too and very keen to protect the second amendment.

/live in Washington state we like our pot legal, our gays married and our guns in good supply.


DarkVader: insertsnarkyusername: nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.

How is he going to press charges? Call the police? Best he can do is sue them.

In Utah, that sadly appears to be correct.

In many states, a citizen can go to a magistrate and swear out a warrant.  Utah seems to have no such procedure, and appears to require all charges to go through a prosecutor.

Where I am, I can go straight to a judge, present my case, and if the judge believes me, have a warrant issued.  If that happens, the cop will be arrested.  The cop would likely be immediately released after booking, and the prosecutor may dismiss the charges, but it at least forces them to look at it, and the cop gets a black mark on his record for having been arrested.


That's really interesting, I haven't ever lived in a state where that was possible. I kind of like it. Thanks.
 
2014-06-25 09:28:32 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: /live in Washington state we like our pot legal, our gays married and our guns in good supply.


Colorado here. Unfortunately, our Dems only support two of the three.

//Way more than just a pet peeve.
 
2014-06-25 09:47:38 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

And that wasn't all guns that was "assault weapons".
/bet she couldn't even pull close to 51 votes for that.


No that was for all guns.  She settled for the AWB when that was all she could get enough votes for, but she was trying to get enough votes to ban everything.
 
2014-06-25 09:51:07 PM  

Dragonflew: Motherfarking piece of shiat pig. I thought the headline was a joke, but I should have known it wasn't. A cop isn't satisfied at the end of the day unless he's killed someone's dog, is he?

it was not even a shepherd or a pit bull, the coward pig shot one of these:

[weimaranerdog.org image 850x837]


So you're saying it'd be fine to shoot one of these?

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-06-25 09:57:00 PM  
"There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."


How about starting with the home, where the kid was found; which would have prevented the surrounding homes' yards to be searched; which would've kept the cop from shooting the dog...

Don't get me wrong, it totally sucks & I'd be pissed at the police department about it too; but that family needs to have some responsibility in this situation as well...
 
2014-06-25 10:28:49 PM  

Callous: insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

And that wasn't all guns that was "assault weapons".
/bet she couldn't even pull close to 51 votes for that.

No that was for all guns.  She settled for the AWB when that was all she could get enough votes for, but she was trying to get enough votes to ban everything.


That was in response to a question about the assault weapon ban.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY
 
2014-06-25 10:34:21 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

And that wasn't all guns that was "assault weapons".
/bet she couldn't even pull close to 51 votes for that.

No that was for all guns.  She settled for the AWB when that was all she could get enough votes for, but she was trying to get enough votes to ban everything.

That was in response to a question about the assault weapon ban.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY


Why does that matter?

Banning firearms is banning firearms.

Your argument seems to be basically a drug war argument.

We don't want to ban ALL guns, just the fun ones. Like "assault weapons".
We don't want to ban ALL drugs, just the fun ones. Like weed and coke.
 
2014-06-25 10:42:38 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: Callous: insertsnarkyusername: LiteWerk: In case you are unaware, some very prominent people in the political world currently and in the past 20-30 years have gone on record as to wanting to banning all private ownership of guns.

Who?

Feinstein said on CBS-TV's, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

And that wasn't all guns that was "assault weapons".
/bet she couldn't even pull close to 51 votes for that.

No that was for all guns.  She settled for the AWB when that was all she could get enough votes for, but she was trying to get enough votes to ban everything.

That was in response to a question about the assault weapon ban.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY

Why does that matter?

Banning firearms is banning firearms.

Your argument seems to be basically a drug war argument.

We don't want to ban ALL guns, just the fun ones. Like "assault weapons".
We don't want to ban ALL drugs, just the fun ones. Like weed and coke.


I don't personally agree with an "assault weapons" ban. That's why I keep putting it in quotes, but banning certain types of firearms is not banning all of them. Sure I'll tell people that I think the idea is idiotic and doesn't actually fix any problems. But I was just commenting on overly vague fear mongering.

/semi-autos are too much fun to give up
 
2014-06-25 10:48:06 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: but banning certain types of firearms is not banning all of them


Folks on the right don't see it that way.

I agree with them.

It won't stop there and everyone knows it. The support for an AWB on the left has killed off Federal gun control. Dems need to drop their obsession with "assault weapons" if they really want to advance gun "safety". It's a deal killer, even among non-Repubs.
 
2014-06-25 11:06:28 PM  

iheartscotch: CSB time!

We had some busybody from the HOA come by my parents house the other day; trying claiming their Boxer is really a Pitt Bull. Apparently, she got all indignant when my dad explained to her that he's not a Pitt. She also called the cops, I guess. Luckily for us; the responding officer recognized him as a boxer and told the busybody so.


If I walk our boxer, it's a pit bull.  If my wife walks it, it's an adorable puppy.  If my kid walks it, it's a barely-in-control pitbull waiting to rip eyeballs out of human skulls.

So the moral of this story is I should just let my wife walk our adorable puppy.
 
2014-06-25 11:07:29 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: but banning certain types of firearms is not banning all of them

Folks on the right don't see it that way.

I agree with them.

It won't stop there and everyone knows it. The support for an AWB on the left has killed off Federal gun control. Dems need to drop their obsession with "assault weapons" if they really want to advance gun "safety". It's a deal killer, even among non-Repubs.


Fear is the way they have chosen to try and get support from the public.  They attach scary sounding labels to try and scare people into supporting their bans.  If they ever manage another "Assault Weapons" ban it won't end there, your bolt-action hunting rifle will become a "Sniper Rifle" and your trap and skeet gun will become a "Street Sweeper" just like inexpensive handguns became "Saturday Night Specials".  They just have to prepare the press releases and wait for someone to commit a high profile enough crime with one of them.

It didn't help that they couldn't even define what an "Assault Weapon" is other than creating a list of arbitrary features that had little to no impact on the function or performance of the rifle and saying "Oh look it's all black and scary!!".
 
2014-06-25 11:13:09 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: but banning certain types of firearms is not banning all of them

Folks on the right don't see it that way.

I agree with them.

It won't stop there and everyone knows it. The support for an AWB on the left has killed off Federal gun control. Dems need to drop their obsession with "assault weapons" if they really want to advance gun "safety". It's a deal killer, even among non-Repubs.


 I can't agree with banning certain types of firearms is banning them all. We already regulate what civilians can and can't buy, besides slippery slope arguments are a slippery slope themselves.But I can agree with you that useless, basically symbolic legislation like that solves nothing. Unfortunately this is like getting Republicans to stop ranting about abortion. Both parties have to call for sanity from the inside before anything changes.
 
2014-06-25 11:14:13 PM  

Callous: Fear is the way they have chosen to try and get support from the public


Yeah, fear works both ways.
 
2014-06-25 11:16:55 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: but banning certain types of firearms is not banning all of them

Folks on the right don't see it that way.

I agree with them.

It won't stop there and everyone knows it. The support for an AWB on the left has killed off Federal gun control. Dems need to drop their obsession with "assault weapons" if they really want to advance gun "safety". It's a deal killer, even among non-Repubs.

 I can't agree with banning certain types of firearms is banning them all. We already regulate what civilians can and can't buy, besides slippery slope arguments are a slippery slope themselves.But I can agree with you that useless, basically symbolic legislation like that solves nothing. Unfortunately this is like getting Republicans to stop ranting about abortion. Both parties have to call for sanity from the inside before anything changes.


The AWB is bad politics from the Dems. Period. It is picking a fight, not solving shiat.
 
2014-06-25 11:22:53 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: but banning certain types of firearms is not banning all of them

Folks on the right don't see it that way.

I agree with them.

It won't stop there and everyone knows it. The support for an AWB on the left has killed off Federal gun control. Dems need to drop their obsession with "assault weapons" if they really want to advance gun "safety". It's a deal killer, even among non-Repubs.

 I can't agree with banning certain types of firearms is banning them all. We already regulate what civilians can and can't buy, besides slippery slope arguments are a slippery slope themselves.But I can agree with you that useless, basically symbolic legislation like that solves nothing. Unfortunately this is like getting Republicans to stop ranting about abortion. Both parties have to call for sanity from the inside before anything changes.

The AWB is bad politics from the Dems. Period. It is picking a fight, not solving shiat.


Agreed.

/I'll take a shot of bourbon to that.
 
2014-06-25 11:30:31 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: Ow! That was my feelings!: insertsnarkyusername: but banning certain types of firearms is not banning all of them

Folks on the right don't see it that way.

I agree with them.

It won't stop there and everyone knows it. The support for an AWB on the left has killed off Federal gun control. Dems need to drop their obsession with "assault weapons" if they really want to advance gun "safety". It's a deal killer, even among non-Repubs.

 I can't agree with banning certain types of firearms is banning them all. We already regulate what civilians can and can't buy, besides slippery slope arguments are a slippery slope themselves.But I can agree with you that useless, basically symbolic legislation like that solves nothing. Unfortunately this is like getting Republicans to stop ranting about abortion. Both parties have to call for sanity from the inside before anything changes.

The AWB is bad politics from the Dems. Period. It is picking a fight, not solving shiat.

Agreed.

/I'll take a shot of bourbon to that.


Ah, uh.. damn... but I will tip one back...
beerabstract.com
 
2014-06-25 11:53:46 PM  
media.giphy.com
 
2014-06-26 12:31:51 AM  
dogs need to start standing their ground when faced with hostile pigs.
 
2014-06-26 12:50:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon:  It's not like he shot your child.


You have never owned a dog, have you?
 
2014-06-26 06:17:27 PM  

WaitForIt: You have never owned a dog, have you?


I've had dogs all my life, and I'd be major pissed if someone shot my dog.  But it's still *not* the same as a child.

If you love your dog as much as your child, I feel sorry for your child.  My guess is that the people who think they are comparable have never had children.
 
2014-06-26 06:50:33 PM  

nyseattitude: "There are extenuating circumstances," said Wilking. "A child is missing, and if you're a parent, you would want us to look everywhere for your child. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned."

That give you the right to void everyone's rights and break the law.

The guy should press charges for murder, breaking and entering, trespassing, illegal search, conduct unbecoming of an officer, excessive force, civil rights infractions and everything else a lawyer can come up with.


That. I hope he gets all the money as well as his fond wish, though I'm not holding my breath. Some little parasitic waste of space that should be institutionalized anyway is not more important than a man's property rights, nor the right of his dog to live. Can we really trust the kind of retard that trespasses and mercilessly guns down a dog before going on his way, then sits there and tries to justify it, as an officer of the law?
 
2014-06-26 08:06:48 PM  
Words is the cop shot the dog through the fence and did not enter Kendalls backyard.

A fence between the cop and the dog does not equal a life threatening situation for the cop.
 
2014-06-26 08:19:48 PM  

Giltric: Words is the cop shot the dog through the fence and did not enter Kendalls backyard.

A fence between the cop and the dog does not equal a life threatening situation for the cop.


Word from any sort of credible source? Because if that is true, there is no way this doesn't warrant criminal charges.

Well, there would be one way - if the cop could see the child in the yard and the dog was a threat to the child. But since the kid was in his own house, that one ain't going to hold water.
 
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