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(Deadspin)   Colorado Rockies discover that when the umpires take four minutes on a replay review, it still doesn't guarantee they won't blatantly blow the call   (deadspin.com) divider line 24
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2014-06-26 04:21:24 AM  
Let's be serious for a minute here. Colorado has a baseball team? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Seriously. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
 
2014-06-26 05:41:05 AM  
The problem is that the umpires are pissed that their word is no longer dogma and they are trying to undermine the replay system by 1, using the max amount of time on every call even when its straight up clear show 1 replay 10 seconds long like this incident. and 2 they intentionally get the call wrong after wasting that time because they don't get punished for abusing the system and they want to discourage managers from challenging every opportunity they get.

Basically the umpires are STILL the problem. They need to do it independently like the NHL. fire it back to a New York office were NON umpires look at the play and decide. then Inform the on field umpires the result. do not let them have a say.
 
2014-06-26 07:19:50 AM  

poisonedpawn78: Basically the umpires are STILL the problem. They need to do it independently like the NHL. fire it back to a New York office were NON umpires look at the play and decide. then Inform the on field umpires the result. do not let them have a say.


Well, they do every part of that except the people in NYC are, in fact, regular umpires.
 
2014-06-26 07:28:25 AM  

wxboy: poisonedpawn78: Basically the umpires are STILL the problem. They need to do it independently like the NHL. fire it back to a New York office were NON umpires look at the play and decide. then Inform the on field umpires the result. do not let them have a say.

Well, they do every part of that except the people in NYC are, in fact, regular umpires.


which undermines the system when they can just cover for their buddies and do what the umpires union wants.
 
2014-06-26 07:31:15 AM  
Replay in almost every circumstance in every sport is stupid.

I'm fine with the NHL 'did it cross the line' review.  It's very straight forward, there's a camera positioned solely for this job, and you almost always get a clear answer.

The rest... blah go away you're wasting our time.
 
2014-06-26 08:01:55 AM  
Is this the baseball equivalent of flopping?
 
2014-06-26 08:15:01 AM  
 
2014-06-26 08:49:58 AM  
I was going to watch that video but as soon as I heard George Fraziers voice I closed the window.  He is absolutely the worst.
 
2014-06-26 09:05:44 AM  

poisonedpawn78: which undermines the system when they can just cover for their buddies and do what the umpires union wants.


Because what would be better is to have non-umpires, who by definition would essentially not have knowledge of all the rules of the game, make game-changing decisions.  Brilliant!
 
2014-06-26 09:22:59 AM  
The umps don't make review decisions. They aren't listening to Shostakovitch on those headphones, you know.

That said, more replays everywhere, please. Pitch tracker for balls and strikes, so we don't get parallax calls on pitches obviously out of the strike zone because the ump lines up off centre for every toss. Why rely on meatware when we have cameras capable of watching every damned thing we do? Because authority in a militaristic society must not be questioned? It's a little bit of hypocritical theatre.
 
2014-06-26 09:50:19 AM  
In Football, referees are absolutely necessary. They not only make calls, but they conduct the game in a way that isn't done in other sports.

In Baseball however? I think we could almost completely eliminate umpires. Almost every call in the game could be automated. Just have one guy on the field to make quick calls and keep the game moving. Everything else could be done by cameras and technology.
 
2014-06-26 09:54:22 AM  

Candygram for Mongo: Unoriginal_Username: Is this the baseball equivalent of flopping?

No. This is:  http://deadspin.com/benches-clear-because-manny-machado-did-not-like- j osh-d-1587524006


Wow, yeah that was pretty blatant.

Regarding the video, what are the chances of this guy NOT getting hit the next time?
 
2014-06-26 10:45:08 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Because what would be better is to have non-umpires, who by definition would essentially not have knowledge of all the rules of the game, make game-changing decisions.  Brilliant!


No offense, but that's a really silly statement. Non-umpires wouldn't have to make any sort of calls with complex rules involved. If all you're asking is if the runner tagged the base before the guy caught the ball or the tag was applied, ANYONE can do this with a high degree of accuracy. Especially with multiple camera angles and slow motion. Anyone, that is, except real umpires it seems.
 
2014-06-26 11:14:48 AM  
MLB needs to fine or suspend umpires who are deliberately undermining the replay system.
 
2014-06-26 11:36:16 AM  

PluckYew: MLB needs to fine or suspend umpires who are deliberately undermining the replay system.


I'm thinking that too. The union will whine a little bit, but if you're deliberately abusing the system because you're a big baby, then it would essentially be arguing against the fact, which if I recall can get you suspended for a few games if you're a manager who defends a player who was bending the rules.
 
2014-06-26 12:03:54 PM  
It's not the time of a replay that is slowing everything down. It's when the farking batter gets out of the batter's box on every farking pitch. It's when time is called a half dozen times during an at bat.

The rule they need is to require batters to stay in the box, ready to go, from the moment they walk up to the plate. The only exception would be if they dodged a ball coming for them and need to get up and get back in. No screwing around between pitches. No scenic walks in between foul balls. You only leave the box when the ball is in play, you walked, or you got out. That's it.

No, your gloves don't need adjusting. If you weren't in the dirt from a brushback you don't have anything needing walking off. You're fine, princess- get your prima donna ass back to work.
 
2014-06-26 12:29:46 PM  

poisonedpawn78: wxboy: poisonedpawn78: Basically the umpires are STILL the problem. They need to do it independently like the NHL. fire it back to a New York office were NON umpires look at the play and decide. then Inform the on field umpires the result. do not let them have a say.

Well, they do every part of that except the people in NYC are, in fact, regular umpires.

which undermines the system when they can just cover for their buddies and do what the umpires union wants.


wat
 
2014-06-26 02:15:45 PM  

akula: It's not the time of a replay that is slowing everything down. It's when the farking batter gets out of the batter's box on every farking pitch. It's when time is called a half dozen times during an at bat.

The rule they need is to require batters to stay in the box, ready to go, from the moment they walk up to the plate. The only exception would be if they dodged a ball coming for them and need to get up and get back in. No screwing around between pitches. No scenic walks in between foul balls. You only leave the box when the ball is in play, you walked, or you got out. That's it.

No, your gloves don't need adjusting. If you weren't in the dirt from a brushback you don't have anything needing walking off. You're fine, princess- get your prima donna ass back to work.


The glove adjusting on every single pitch (Paul Konerko), I don't get, but as a baseball player, I understand having certain motions and personality ticks that give you confidence at the plate. It's easy to have games where you don't do your usual motions and it throws you off mentally.

Players typically move around because they don't want to lock all the muscles that go into a swing by staying tense for an entire AB, spread out over 600 of those per season, on average.

It takes up time, but it's important to feel confident and "free and easy" when you're playing 162 games in front of tens of thousands of people. There's always a load of prospects who want your job if you're not getting it done.
 
2014-06-26 02:17:50 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: poisonedpawn78: which undermines the system when they can just cover for their buddies and do what the umpires union wants.

Because what would be better is to have non-umpires, who by definition would essentially not have knowledge of all the rules of the game, make game-changing decisions.  Brilliant!


Is there nobody else at major league baseball who understands the rules of the game?
 
2014-06-26 03:26:37 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Candygram for Mongo: Unoriginal_Username: Is this the baseball equivalent of flopping?

No. This is:  http://deadspin.com/benches-clear-because-manny-machado-did-not-like- j osh-d-1587524006

Wow, yeah that was pretty blatant.

Regarding the video, what are the chances of this guy NOT getting hit the next time?


This is later in the series:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9CzjwJja3U
Ended up with a 5 game suspension but it's being appealed.
 
2014-06-26 03:32:14 PM  

poisonedpawn78: The problem is that the umpires are pissed that their word is no longer dogma and they are trying to undermine the replay system by 1, using the max amount of time on every call even when its straight up clear show 1 replay 10 seconds long like this incident. and 2 they intentionally get the call wrong after wasting that time because they don't get punished for abusing the system and they want to discourage managers from challenging every opportunity they get.

Basically the umpires are STILL the problem. They need to do it independently like the NHL. fire it back to a New York office were NON umpires look at the play and decide. then Inform the on field umpires the result. do not let them have a say.


That's why nearly half the calls that are challenged are overturned... but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.
 
2014-06-26 04:55:36 PM  

JSam21: poisonedpawn78: The problem is that the umpires are pissed that their word is no longer dogma and they are trying to undermine the replay system by 1, using the max amount of time on every call even when its straight up clear show 1 replay 10 seconds long like this incident. and 2 they intentionally get the call wrong after wasting that time because they don't get punished for abusing the system and they want to discourage managers from challenging every opportunity they get.

Basically the umpires are STILL the problem. They need to do it independently like the NHL. fire it back to a New York office were NON umpires look at the play and decide. then Inform the on field umpires the result. do not let them have a say.

That's why nearly half the calls that are challenged are overturned... but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.


so its binary to you. everything has to be 100% incorrect or 100% correct for anything to be true. You cant possibly have a subset of umps who are fine and call the games as legit as they can and are willing to admit mistakes and another subset of umps who want to maintain a good old boys club and a third subset that are just incompetent.
 
2014-06-26 05:25:05 PM  

poisonedpawn78: JSam21: poisonedpawn78: The problem is that the umpires are pissed that their word is no longer dogma and they are trying to undermine the replay system by 1, using the max amount of time on every call even when its straight up clear show 1 replay 10 seconds long like this incident. and 2 they intentionally get the call wrong after wasting that time because they don't get punished for abusing the system and they want to discourage managers from challenging every opportunity they get.

Basically the umpires are STILL the problem. They need to do it independently like the NHL. fire it back to a New York office were NON umpires look at the play and decide. then Inform the on field umpires the result. do not let them have a say.

That's why nearly half the calls that are challenged are overturned... but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

so its binary to you. everything has to be 100% incorrect or 100% correct for anything to be true. You cant possibly have a subset of umps who are fine and call the games as legit as they can and are willing to admit mistakes and another subset of umps who want to maintain a good old boys club and a third subset that are just incompetent.


Then we need to know who is working every night in New York, just like we know who is working each game. The umpires on the field have zero bearing on replay reviews.
 
2014-06-26 05:34:24 PM  
There has been one other issue with replay as it is currently used - the fact that a crew needs to be in the booth in NYC means and increased number of call-ups from the Triple A ranks. These guys have been a disaster behind the plate.

One example of a called strike out on Robby Cano:

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