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2014-06-24 11:45:17 PM  
I'm making arrangements to drop Time Warner completely.
$143 a month for cable, HBO, and internet, and it works whenever it feels like it.
I don't need 12 shopping channels, over 70 sports channels that I couldn't give a rat's ass about (right now they're showing JV high school soccer on one of the channels), and several pay channels featuring 30 year old movies.

I've changed boxes 3 times, and I still have to reboot this Cisco based piece of crap at least once a day.
My internet speeds are crap for fully 1/2 the day despite having the the best modem available and a squeaky clean i7 with no bloatware.
 
2014-06-24 11:47:11 PM  
Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.
 
2014-06-24 11:49:43 PM  
I get about 30 channels for free

/I'm sure the cable companies are working hard to make sure that won't last long, too
 
2014-06-24 11:53:34 PM  
i wish my cable bill was only $200 a month.
 
2014-06-24 11:53:55 PM  

hubiestubert: Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.


I have cable because cable and internet cost me essentially the same as just internet, unless I wanted to downgrade to something like a 3-5 Mbps connection from the competition.
 
2014-06-24 11:55:03 PM  
Mine's still <$100, at least, with HBO (fark you, Game of Thrones).
 
2014-06-24 11:56:09 PM  
What's cable?
 
2014-06-25 12:12:23 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I get about 30 channels for free

/I'm sure the cable companies are working hard to make sure that won't last long, too


I'm not sure they can, unless they change the law, but corporations have been known to do that sort of thing.

I used to run master control at a CBS affiliate about 15 years ago, and they were required to have the gear so that they never went off the air no matter what, because it was a matter of national, and civil defense.

They had the largest backup generator I've ever seen, and there was a generator at the transmitter site as well.
 
2014-06-25 12:14:25 AM  
In other news...the average consumer will say "Fark that" and go to over the air antenna and internet for movies and TV series.
 
2014-06-25 12:16:42 AM  

Relatively Obscure: hubiestubert: Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.

I have cable because cable and internet cost me essentially the same as just internet, unless I wanted to downgrade to something like a 3-5 Mbps connection from the competition.


HAHAHAHAHA!

I only have Comcast.  $60 a month just for the lowest tier internet, or $70 for internet and TV.  I'm still seriously considering getting rid of the TV.

I'm not kidding - there isn't even DSL offered by anyone where I live.  Just Comcast cable internet, or Verizon wireless broadband modems that cap out at 10GB per month at $100.
 
2014-06-25 12:20:25 AM  

optikeye: In other news...the average consumer will say "Fark that" and go to over the air antenna and internet for movies and TV series.


I'm paying closer to $300/month right now when you factor in Internet service.  I could probably cut it back quite a bit if I went with Comcast for both and bundled instead of using Dish for TV and Comcast for Internet, but Comcast pissed me off so much with their TV service that I wanted nothing to do with them after I moved, and Dish has been awesome in terms of customer service.

I'd drop Comcast for Internet but their really the only game in town unless I want a craptastic DSL line.

I've been thinking about cutting the cord because I just don't watch that much TV anymore, maybe an hour or so after work each day.  The big things holding me back right now are HBO and NCAA football.  I'm a fan of an out-of-market team, so the only way I can see the games is by having the big sports package that gives me the out of market games.
 
2014-06-25 12:22:10 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: optikeye: In other news...the average consumer will say "Fark that" and go to over the air antenna and internet for movies and TV series.

I'm paying closer to $300/month right now when you factor in Internet service.  I could probably cut it back quite a bit if I went with Comcast for both and bundled instead of using Dish for TV and Comcast for Internet, but Comcast pissed me off so much with their TV service that I wanted nothing to do with them after I moved, and Dish has been awesome in terms of customer service.

I'd drop Comcast for Internet but their they're really the only game in town unless I want a craptastic DSL line.

I've been thinking about cutting the cord because I just don't watch that much TV anymore, maybe an hour or so after work each day.  The big things holding me back right now are HBO and NCAA football.  I'm a fan of an out-of-market team, so the only way I can see the games is by having the big sports package that gives me the out of market games.


FTFM.
 
2014-06-25 12:24:59 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I'm paying closer to $300/month right now when you factor in Internet service.


Dude..for 300 bucks a month..is it really really worth it to see sweaty guys on a field trying to tackle each other.

And as for as HBO goes...sure it has some decent thing...but nothing you can't chill out for a year and get the DVDs from the local library.
 
2014-06-25 12:35:25 AM  

optikeye: TuteTibiImperes: I'm paying closer to $300/month right now when you factor in Internet service.

Dude..for 300 bucks a month..is it really really worth it to see sweaty guys on a field trying to tackle each other.

And as for as HBO goes...sure it has some decent thing...but nothing you can't chill out for a year and get the DVDs from the local library.


Well, it's closer to $250 now that I do the math, but now that I'm looking at it, if I went to all Comcast I could shave about $100/month off of my bill.  That might be worth crawling back to them.

The funny thing is that my team only gets three or four televised games per year anyway.  All of the home games are streamed for free over the website, but I'm almost always working during them, so I have to wait for the next day for the stream to go into the 'library' online.

I could catch up with a bunch of old series on Netflix and just catch the new stuff I want to see after it's moved to streaming or via DVDs by mail....

Now I'm actually contemplating this.  I've just gotten used to paying the bill every month and never really thinking about it.
 
2014-06-25 01:16:18 AM  
Back in 2011 after the Fukushima nuclear plant meltdown, the Japanese pitched in and did what they could to conserve power. Tokyo went dark with famous landmarks like the crosswalk in Shibuya with multiple video screens and bright neon lights turning off for several months. We all tried to do our best to use only what we absolutely needed so that the diminished power supply could be shared by all.

A month of this conservation had a huge impact on the overall usage. Tepco realized that the conservation had led to lower power bills which in turn meant lower bonuses for Tepco employees. So in order to make up the shortfall, they raised rates on everyone.

The same thing is happening here. A company that should, by all rights, be seeing lower revenues is gouging their customers to make up for the inevitable decline of subscribers. It works in the complete opposite direction you'd expect supply and demand to work. It's disgusting and customers really should drop their service.
 
2014-06-25 01:18:18 AM  
I dumped cable a decade ago when Adelphia raised my rates from $78/month for all digital channels and HBO to $130. They called me to make it sound like a good thing because I had their new 'Gold Package' deal which would 'only cost' $130/month. I told them I liked the rates I was at and didn't plan on changing anything. They said to keep the rates I was at, I'd need to dump the Digital channel box, HBO and take a pared down version of their Bronze package that would be without certain Sports channels like ESPN or 'extended program channels' like Cartoon Network and History Network. Basically, the 3 channels I watched outside of HBO. I told them to stuff it, cancelled the TV and internet and went to our local Telephone company for DSL.

Adelphia turned into Comcast/XFinity, and I refuse to pay for it. I have Netflix, Amazon Prime and Hulu+ for all my viewing needs.
 
2014-06-25 01:31:31 AM  
I gave up cable 4 years ago. Never looked back except for sports, and hey, you find other things to do.
 
2014-06-25 01:37:57 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Back in 2011 after the Fukushima nuclear plant meltdown, the Japanese pitched in and did what they could to conserve power. Tokyo went dark with famous landmarks like the crosswalk in Shibuya with multiple video screens and bright neon lights turning off for several months. We all tried to do our best to use only what we absolutely needed so that the diminished power supply could be shared by all.

A month of this conservation had a huge impact on the overall usage. Tepco realized that the conservation had led to lower power bills which in turn meant lower bonuses for Tepco employees. So in order to make up the shortfall, they raised rates on everyone.

The same thing is happening here. A company that should, by all rights, be seeing lower revenues is gouging their customers to make up for the inevitable decline of subscribers. It works in the complete opposite direction you'd expect supply and demand to work. It's disgusting and customers really should drop their service.


Wow that is interesting.  I did not know that (about Japanese power conservation).

Lower subscription rates could affect more than just cable prices though, it could affect the availability of content.  I can but hope that means less inane realtiy television and better internet TV (the content by streaming services has been pretty good so far).
 
2014-06-25 02:05:35 AM  

RussianPooper: I gave up cable 4 years ago. Never looked back except for sports, and hey, you find other things to do ways to watch.


FTFM.
 
2014-06-25 02:21:30 AM  

hubiestubert: Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.


'sup, overage charges?
Every American ISP is going to have laughable data caps within two years, so good luck trying to watch more than eight streaming movies a month or, like, any Youtube.
 
2014-06-25 02:50:14 AM  
Best thing about farked up cable companies is that when you leave them you still get employee cable because it's the HR guy's responsibility to remove your cable package.
But he can't view customer accounts.
Customer care can't do anything because it's an employee account. 
Repeat x infinity

I've sent 3 emails, turned in all the forms on time, and called customer care. Fark him. 
Also I removed my bank account from auto-billing so when I suddenly get a $500 bill it will just come in the mail. 

/cable bill - $19.76
//They lowered it because even the employees were cancelling features.
 
2014-06-25 02:58:42 AM  
Yup, as soon as your "introductory period" gets ready to expire, call to cancel you're service and say your moving to satellite or cutting the cable. 9 times out of 10, they'll give you a much, much better deal.

I got rid of my cable TV quite a while ago and get my TV from Hulu/Netflix. I called up Centurylink to cancel my DSL and told them I was moving to Comcast's internet service and quoted their latest deal to sign up. Centurylink gave me 40 megs down 20 meg up for $19 a month - 12 months, which I'm plenty happy with.

Throw in the $9 a month Netflix, and the HD OTA broadcasts and I'm getting all the entertainment I can watch for under $30.

Anyone who pays more than $200 a month for TV/internet is simply a chump.
 
2014-06-25 03:26:04 AM  
Book marked. Thxs.
/pay more than headline
//note to self
///read above
 
2014-06-25 03:42:33 AM  

TommyymmoT: My internet speeds are crap for fully 1/2 the day despite having the the best modem available and a squeaky clean i7 with no bloatware.


I just went down to cable internet only (thankfully mine is decent enough quality wise, even if it is $62 a month for 25/5

// also meant I cut my month to month tivo service and a few other things

// end result, about $100/month less being spent on things that I wasn't really using.

// that money goes into gaming and netflix now
 
2014-06-25 03:44:04 AM  
When I first moved into this box canyon I installed an unpowered analog antenna on the roof -- haha! No way. I could only get one station's signal from San Jose, 30 miles away. Otherwise, the hills blocked the much closer San Francisco signals.

I'd be willing to try a powered HD antenna and see if it's any better. The Mohu Sky antenna is expensive ... sorta. It's only one month's cable bill.

Anyone have any experience with powered HD antennas in hill country? Thanks!
 
2014-06-25 04:13:49 AM  
Meh. By that time my bitcoins will be worthy 1 Brazilian dollars
 
2014-06-25 04:16:27 AM  
$10 to watch HD. Kinda like the charge for Touch-Tone.
/We don't care. We don't have to. We're the cable company
 
2014-06-25 04:22:26 AM  
What's funny is that a Playboy TV ad just came on USA for free for the first month
 
2014-06-25 05:09:41 AM  
at some point content providers (Disney, HBO, TBS, etal) will begin to challenge any laws governing subscriptions through cable providers, and congress-critters will start to wonder why they simply cannot subscribe to a content provider directly and receive the content via internet stream.

i'm willing to bet this alone is the reason why cable-providers are trying to crush net neutrality now; they see the writing on the wall and are trying to set up an alternate revenue stream to offset those losses.
 
2014-06-25 05:28:57 AM  
I think my mother inlaw still has cable.
 
2014-06-25 05:51:37 AM  
Sports are the only thing keeping cable and network TV alive. I could become more of an alcoholic and just watch sports at bars. Cable might just be irrelevant in 2020, so I'm not sure what they're thinking.
 
2014-06-25 06:08:16 AM  
Cable bill? What's a cable bill?
 
2014-06-25 06:29:25 AM  
It will be interesting to see if the next generation of viewers are willing to pay as much for "cable" as the current ones. A generation that grew up with "free" downloads is going to be a much tougher sell for $150+ cable bills.

IMHO, at the heart of the matter is the amounts being paid to content generators. If we are going to pay someone $300M to throw a baseball, or $40M for two month's work making a movie, consumers eventually have to pay the bill. You can't raise the price of Budweiser high enough, so the only other option is some form of pay-TV.

I think there is eventually a correction, although I might not live to see it.
 
2014-06-25 06:36:21 AM  

SlothB77: i wish my cable bill was only $200 a month.


I was paying about $210 when I dumped cable TV entirely last year. I've been doing only Cable Internet since, and that is still overpriced at $76.95/month for 50Mbps down and 12Mbps down.
 
2014-06-25 06:37:18 AM  

MmmmBacon: SlothB77: i wish my cable bill was only $200 a month.

I was paying about $210 when I dumped cable TV entirely last year. I've been doing only Cable Internet since, and that is still overpriced at $76.95/month for 50Mbps down and 12Mbps down.


Damnit, I meant 12Mbps UP. I really need to proofread before I click Add Comment!
 
2014-06-25 06:46:47 AM  

JudgeItoBox: hubiestubert: Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.

'sup, overage charges?
Every American ISP is going to have laughable data caps within two years, so good luck trying to watch more than eight streaming movies a month or, like, any Youtube.


I updated iTunes last week and it proceeded to download 50 GB of podcast back issues. At least you know when the AC is running.
 
2014-06-25 07:13:03 AM  

hubiestubert: Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.


bingo
 
2014-06-25 07:15:27 AM  

MmmmBacon: SlothB77: i wish my cable bill was only $200 a month.

I was paying about $210 when I dumped cable TV entirely last year. I've been doing only Cable Internet since, and that is still overpriced at $76.95/month for 50Mbps down and 12Mbps down.


210 dollars for cable ? What the hell is wrong with America ?
 
2014-06-25 07:26:42 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Back in 2011 after the Fukushima nuclear plant meltdown, the Japanese pitched in and did what they could to conserve power. Tokyo went dark with famous landmarks like the crosswalk in Shibuya with multiple video screens and bright neon lights turning off for several months. We all tried to do our best to use only what we absolutely needed so that the diminished power supply could be shared by all.

A month of this conservation had a huge impact on the overall usage. Tepco realized that the conservation had led to lower power bills which in turn meant lower bonuses for Tepco employees. So in order to make up the shortfall, they raised rates on everyone.

The same thing is happening here. A company that should, by all rights, be seeing lower revenues is gouging their customers to make up for the inevitable decline of subscribers. It works in the complete opposite direction you'd expect supply and demand to work. It's disgusting and customers really should drop their service.


But, but, the free market is perfect!
 
2014-06-25 07:59:38 AM  
Assuming cable is still around...
 
2014-06-25 08:02:13 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: The funny thing is that my team only gets three or four televised games per year anyway. All of the home games are streamed for free over the website, but I'm almost always working during them, so I have to wait for the next day for the stream to go into the 'library' online.


Wait, what 'section' of 'the library' do they keep the sports broadcasts in?  Because whenever I check TheLibraryBay for anything that isn't a playoff game in a major sport, I can never find anything.
 
2014-06-25 08:10:46 AM  
I pay $145 per month for Comcast digital preferred, Internet, and home phone. I've considered cutting the cable, I even signed up for Netflix and bought an antenna for my TV, but it's just not the same. The antenna only gets about 6 stations and with Netflix I kind of have to have an idea ahead of time of what I want to watch and then see if they have it... With cable it's just so much easier to scroll through channels or the listings and find something to put on. If Netflix and/or other online services can offer the choices and make the experience more like watching cable I'd be all for switching...
 
2014-06-25 08:15:28 AM  

havana_joe: With cable it's just so much easier to scroll through channels or the listings and find something to put on.


See, what you need isn't cable, it's a white noise machine.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-06-25 08:21:19 AM  
I discovered Verizon FiOS internet+phone gets me a free ESPN stream of the World Cup. That was the first time I had watched "TV" since winter.
 
2014-06-25 08:22:34 AM  

padraig: 210 dollars for cable ? What the hell is wrong with America ?


That people pay $210/month for cable.
 
hej
2014-06-25 08:23:48 AM  
Google Fiber with all the channels under the sun is $120.
 
2014-06-25 08:40:41 AM  

dookdookdook: TuteTibiImperes: The funny thing is that my team only gets three or four televised games per year anyway. All of the home games are streamed for free over the website, but I'm almost always working during them, so I have to wait for the next day for the stream to go into the 'library' online.

Wait, what 'section' of 'the library' do they keep the sports broadcasts in?  Because whenever I check TheLibraryBay for anything that isn't a playoff game in a major sport, I can never find anything.


Heh, I actually meant the digital library on the school's sports website.  They do the stream live, but don't upload it for replay until the next day.
 
2014-06-25 08:45:48 AM  

dookdookdook: havana_joe: With cable it's just so much easier to scroll through channels or the listings and find something to put on.

See, what you need isn't cable, it's a white noise machine.


I don't think so... My point is that with cable it takes me 10 seconds and 1 remote control to have something up on the screen. With Netflix it takes 3 remotes and 60 seconds to be in the search menu. If there is something I want to watch I have no problem going to Netflix and looking for it; when I just want to sit in my chair after work and find something to relax to I go to cable because the process requires less thought and time.
 
2014-06-25 08:51:45 AM  
Dropped Cox TV here in Wichita about 3 years ago I think. We were at the point where we had TV with what they called their "Entertainment Tier" (some kids channels and like Science Channel, Nat Geo, etc), ~30Mbps internet and I think 3 DVR's, and one day realized we were paying like $195 a month. We started playing with packages, dropping the Tier, cutting back to one DVR, and the savings were only going to be like $30 a month.

So we just dropped it entirely. It's been fine for us since (Netflix), the only problem is the sports. When I dropped, ESPN3 was still a passable website, but about a year after, all of the sudden "WatchESPN" came about, and that was pretty much the end of ESPN3. To put it in perspective, I was shocked to learn that ESPN3 was showing World Cup Games, even the US games, without blacking them out.

Getting ready to move into a new house with my getting-a-little-elderly MIL, and I think we'll probably sign up for Cox TV again. She watches a lot of stuff that neither Netflix nor Amazon Prime get, and doesn't really have the patience to put up with the hoop-jumping you have to do with Hulu. Plus, it's getting to the point where I either start paying for ESPN again, or I stop being a sports fan. I'm not too happy with the idea, but it is what it is. I'm sure by the time it's all said and done, especially if I want to keep my current 50Mbps speed, I'll be topping $200.
 
2014-06-25 08:57:58 AM  

havana_joe: dookdookdook: havana_joe: With cable it's just so much easier to scroll through channels or the listings and find something to put on.

See, what you need isn't cable, it's a white noise machine.

I don't think so... My point is that with cable it takes me 10 seconds and 1 remote control to have something up on the screen. With Netflix it takes 3 remotes and 60 seconds to be in the search menu. If there is something I want to watch I have no problem going to Netflix and looking for it; when I just want to sit in my chair after work and find something to relax to I go to cable because the process requires less thought and time.


If you commit to Netflix, you change your viewing habits. Instead of searching for different things to watch each day, you pick a show and you plow through it over several nights/weeks. This month you're going to be watching all of Buffy or Futurama, 2 or 3 episodes at a sitting. Oh, Season 3 of Bob's Burgers dropped, you'll power through those this week before getting back to, say, Red Dwarf.

It takes a bit of adjustment, as it's essentially breaking the "Tuesdays I watch Lost, Mondays I watch True Blood" model, but it can be done.
 
2014-06-25 09:06:39 AM  

RussianPooper: I gave up cable 4 years ago. Never looked back except for sports, and hey, you find other things to do.


Like get drunk at a bar while watching sports on the big screen(s)?
 
2014-06-25 09:07:29 AM  

optikeye: In other news...the average consumer will say "Fark that" and go to over the air antenna and internet for movies and TV series.


And the movie and tv companies respond with, "the fark you will" and start introducing throttling and entertainment fees on your internet connection. Oh and ads.
 
2014-06-25 09:17:29 AM  

muck1969: at some point content providers (Disney, HBO, TBS, etal) will begin to challenge any laws governing subscriptions through cable providers,


I doubt it. Immensely popular channels like that are paid enormous amounts of money to be carried on the cable networks (and in HBO's case, on top of their premium subscription fees). Someone like ESPN makes the majority of their revenue from "subscription fees" paid by the cable companies. Under the current arrangement, you're paying to subscribe to ESPN even if you don't watch ESPN. There's no reason for ESPN to change that.
 
2014-06-25 09:17:47 AM  
It doesn't help that the local TV stations are now charging the cable companies money to retransmit their OTA signals.

//So blame EyewitnessActionNewsStation ##.
 
2014-06-25 09:22:44 AM  

muck1969: at some point content providers (Disney, HBO, TBS, etal) will begin to challenge any laws governing subscriptions through cable providers, and congress-critters will start to wonder why they simply cannot subscribe to a content provider directly and receive the content via internet stream.

i'm willing to bet this alone is the reason why cable-providers are trying to crush net neutrality now; they see the writing on the wall and are trying to set up an alternate revenue stream to offset those losses.


Warner Brothers is now charging for crap you used to be able to buy  at the dollar store. Enjoy these salad days, They're coming to an end.

We need a ginormous Bluetooth network...
 
2014-06-25 09:28:39 AM  
I just bought the antenna yesterday.  I think we are both (wife and I) ready to cut the cord.  The major test will be in August when Dr. Who comes back.  I can't for the life of me find a way to stream current episodes of Dr. Who without resorting to the dark arts of the internet.

/Red Sox picked a good season to really phone it in so I am not feeling horrible about missing sports at the moment
 
2014-06-25 09:28:44 AM  

StopLurkListen: When I first moved into this box canyon I installed an unpowered analog antenna on the roof -- haha! No way. I could only get one station's signal from San Jose, 30 miles away. Otherwise, the hills blocked the much closer San Francisco signals.

I'd be willing to try a powered HD antenna and see if it's any better. The Mohu Sky antenna is expensive ... sorta. It's only one month's cable bill.

Anyone have any experience with powered HD antennas in hill country? Thanks!


The best thing you can do is go to tvfool.com and put in your address (or preferably coordinates) and see what comes up. Then run the same thing adding antenna height of 10, 20, 30 feet. You might get away with an amplified antenna on the roof, or you might need to go batty with a tower in the yard.

If you want a new, weird mix of channels, try an FTA dish. You buy the dish, pick a satellite to look at, and get a receiver. You won't get many channels you've heard of, and it can be a hobby at times (looking for different satellites, adding more dishes, setting up a motorized system) but $200ish will get you your first dish and receiver.

SatelliteGuys FTA Section (may want adblock)
dishpointer
 
2014-06-25 09:29:14 AM  
I pay a fortune for Comcast Business internet, but it has no caps and is a wide open pipe.  But I'm saving about $70/month having dumped DirecTv for Hulu+, Amazon, and Netflix.  Plus with business it has a 24/7/365 SLA so if it goes down they fix it first.

My daughter (4) likes it better because she can pick what she wants to watch when she wants to watch it.
 
2014-06-25 09:29:46 AM  
My viewing habits have completely changed since I started watching Netflix.  Used to be I would flip through the traditional channels, like most people.  Netflix makes recommendations after each thing you watch and sometimes I will follow those suggestions down a rabbit whole and will end up watching a bizarre stretch of television.

Over the past couple of nights. I started with a documentary on Michael Morton (which was excellent BTW).  That segued into a documentary on the Source family, to the documentaryTallhotblond, to the documentary "Tabloid", about the beauty queen that kidnapped and raped some nerdy Mormon dude.
 
2014-06-25 09:32:34 AM  
When I cancelled my cable, the "account retention specialist" I got to chat with repeatedly asked why i was canceling cable, and I told her that I was no longer willing to pay to receive ads, along with my content, and that the "new media" model of the internet has ushered in an age where, generally, if you are willing to devote your time to watching an ad, you get the content for free, since you "paid for it" with your time. She didn't get it. She asked if I found the ads themselves offensive, and I said "Yes, but not in the way you're thinking about it. They're offensive because when I look at my cable bill and see I'm spending $60/mo for cable TV, what I'm actually doing is spending $40/mo on actual TV, and $20/mo for you to pipe me ads that I have to spend time watching, if I watch live TV."

"So...are the ads too violent, or do they use foul language...?"

"You still aren't getting it. Let me put it this way: if you bought a season of a TV show, and instead of the shows, you got discs full of ads. 100% advertising, no show. You would be irritated, yes? Probably wouldn't buy those DVDs?"

"What?"

"So let's say the DVDs (that you have paid for) are only 90% ads. Still irritating?

"Uh."

"Well, what if they're "only" 50% ads? That's obviously better, right?"

"I'm not sure..."

"If 50% is good, then 30% must be better! If they're only 30% ads, you'd have no problem paying for them then, right?"

"Pay for ads instead of a TV show? Why?"

"It sounds like you understand why I want to cancel my cable now."
 
2014-06-25 09:38:15 AM  
If I could figure out how to get the Cardinals and Blues games on the MLB and NHL apps I would get rid of cable.  I know there is probably a way but I cannot get either to work, and since, stupidly, the apps block out the games if you are in the city of the team, I am stuck with cable for now.  On the bright side, Charter bumped me up to 100mb speed line for no extra charge.
 
2014-06-25 09:41:48 AM  
We dumped cable 6 years ago, and haven't looked back - just go over to a buddy's house for the Superbowl.  It's much easier now since most networks post their own shows with fewer commercials than even Hulu.  And my friend and I split the annual cost of NFL.com's NFL Rewind.  We watch the games in 'play only' mode, and finish each in 15 minutes or so.

Here's the changes I made to our two worst bills:

Dumped Cable (in 2008), saving $50 (or so) a month, or $600 a year.
Switching to our cable company's 'limited' internet, which is more like DSL.  Saving $25 a month, $300 a year
Dumped Verizon for Republic Wireless' 3G plan, pay $25 a month per, save $40 a month.  I saved enough to pay for the phone in about 4 months, and no contract.  Love the Moto X phone.
 
2014-06-25 09:50:57 AM  

hej: Google Fiber with all the channels under the sun is $120.


Cost of Google Fiber = $120
Cost of Not Living in Kansas = Priceless
 
hej
2014-06-25 09:56:17 AM  

lilplatinum: hej: Google Fiber with all the channels under the sun is $120.

Cost of Google Fiber = $120
Cost of Not Living in Kansas = Priceless


Touche
 
2014-06-25 10:07:54 AM  

grinding_journalist: When I cancelled my cable, the "account retention specialist" I got to chat with repeatedly asked why i was canceling cable, and I told her that I was no longer willing to pay to receive ads, along with my content, and that the "new media" model of the internet has ushered in an age where, generally, if you are willing to devote your time to watching an ad, you get the content for free, since you "paid for it" with your time. She didn't get it. She asked if I found the ads themselves offensive, and I said "Yes, but not in the way you're thinking about it. They're offensive because when I look at my cable bill and see I'm spending $60/mo for cable TV, what I'm actually doing is spending $40/mo on actual TV, and $20/mo for you to pipe me ads that I have to spend time watching, if I watch live TV."

"So...are the ads too violent, or do they use foul language...?"

"You still aren't getting it. Let me put it this way: if you bought a season of a TV show, and instead of the shows, you got discs full of ads. 100% advertising, no show. You would be irritated, yes? Probably wouldn't buy those DVDs?"

"What?"

"So let's say the DVDs (that you have paid for) are only 90% ads. Still irritating?

"Uh."

"Well, what if they're "only" 50% ads? That's obviously better, right?"

"I'm not sure..."

"If 50% is good, then 30% must be better! If they're only 30% ads, you'd have no problem paying for them then, right?"

"Pay for ads instead of a TV show? Why?"

"It sounds like you understand why I want to cancel my cable now."


No snark, but if more people follow your path I'm guessing we're going to hear a slew of stories about people complaining about receiving their fifth copyright violation notice after going to youtube, or why their internet is as slow as fark yet costs almost as much as their old cable bill. And that "new media" model sounds a lot like the old broadcasting standard.
 
2014-06-25 10:09:02 AM  

muck1969: at some point content providers (Disney, HBO, TBS, etal) will begin to challenge any laws governing subscriptions through cable providers, and congress-critters will start to wonder why they simply cannot subscribe to a content provider directly and receive the content via internet stream.

i'm willing to bet this alone is the reason why cable-providers are trying to crush net neutrality now; they see the writing on the wall and are trying to set up an alternate revenue stream to offset those losses.


http://hbonordic.com/home already exists. So yeah, that's very much on their mind.

I hope for you that you'll also be able to select individual channels instead of packages in the future, like we can in Denmark. (here it works like this, you get a basic free package, with some must carry government channels, and the free German, Swedish and Norwegian channels. Then on top of that you can select which individual channels you want, at varying prices. Some are very cheap, some quite expensive.).
 
2014-06-25 10:11:39 AM  

qorkfiend: muck1969: at some point content providers (Disney, HBO, TBS, etal) will begin to challenge any laws governing subscriptions through cable providers,

I doubt it. Immensely popular channels like that are paid enormous amounts of money to be carried on the cable networks (and in HBO's case, on top of their premium subscription fees). Someone like ESPN makes the majority of their revenue from "subscription fees" paid by the cable companies. Under the current arrangement, you're paying to subscribe to ESPN even if you don't watch ESPN. There's no reason for ESPN to change that.


That model is ending.  HBO knows it.  ESPN knows it.  Which is why both are building up their online presences.  And these days cable companies make more on their ISP services than they do on traditional TV.
 
2014-06-25 10:12:32 AM  
So - we've basically worked out we're paying around $1000 a year to watch get Game of Thrones, which feels pretty steep.

I figure if I get a move on with reading the books I won't need to worry about spoilers next season and am looking at going with Internet + Netflix + Amazon Prime combined with theoccasional iTunes buy.

Has anyone done this?
What have your pros and cons been?
Any recommendations on internet speed I should go with? For practical purposes is anything over 10Mbps going to benoticeable?
 
2014-06-25 10:14:45 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: StopLurkListen: When I first moved into this box canyon I installed an unpowered analog antenna on the roof -- haha! No way. I could only get one station's signal from San Jose, 30 miles away. Otherwise, the hills blocked the much closer San Francisco signals.

I'd be willing to try a powered HD antenna and see if it's any better. The Mohu Sky antenna is expensive ... sorta. It's only one month's cable bill.

Anyone have any experience with powered HD antennas in hill country? Thanks!

The best thing you can do is go to tvfool.com and put in your address (or preferably coordinates) and see what comes up. Then run the same thing adding antenna height of 10, 20, 30 feet. You might get away with an amplified antenna on the roof, or you might need to go batty with a tower in the yard.

If you want a new, weird mix of channels, try an FTA dish. You buy the dish, pick a satellite to look at, and get a receiver. You won't get many channels you've heard of, and it can be a hobby at times (looking for different satellites, adding more dishes, setting up a motorized system) but $200ish will get you your first dish and receiver.

SatelliteGuys FTA Section (may want adblock)
dishpointer


Wow, thanks! That's impressive.
 
2014-06-25 10:16:29 AM  

gingerjet: qorkfiend: muck1969: at some point content providers (Disney, HBO, TBS, etal) will begin to challenge any laws governing subscriptions through cable providers,

I doubt it. Immensely popular channels like that are paid enormous amounts of money to be carried on the cable networks (and in HBO's case, on top of their premium subscription fees). Someone like ESPN makes the majority of their revenue from "subscription fees" paid by the cable companies. Under the current arrangement, you're paying to subscribe to ESPN even if you don't watch ESPN. There's no reason for ESPN to change that.

That model is ending.  HBO knows it.  ESPN knows it.  Which is why both are building up their online presences.  And these days cable companies make more on their ISP services than they do on traditional TV.


Have you ever known a corporation to accept less compensation for the same product for an extended period of time? That's for the peons. It's not for the masters. And at the same time you'll see the smaller, niche channels die off.
 
2014-06-25 10:16:56 AM  

gingerjet: qorkfiend: muck1969: at some point content providers (Disney, HBO, TBS, etal) will begin to challenge any laws governing subscriptions through cable providers,

I doubt it. Immensely popular channels like that are paid enormous amounts of money to be carried on the cable networks (and in HBO's case, on top of their premium subscription fees). Someone like ESPN makes the majority of their revenue from "subscription fees" paid by the cable companies. Under the current arrangement, you're paying to subscribe to ESPN even if you don't watch ESPN. There's no reason for ESPN to change that.

That model is ending.  HBO knows it.  ESPN knows it.  Which is why both are building up their online presences.  And these days cable companies make more on their ISP services than they do on traditional TV.


ESPN just signed a 20 year contract with the SEC athletic conference. They got the best college football in the country locked into their cable tier for 20 years.
 
2014-06-25 10:19:11 AM  
Comcast stock is up 31% over the last year. I wonder why?
 
2014-06-25 10:20:54 AM  
In related news, the Supreme Court just ruled that Aereo is illegal.
 
2014-06-25 10:22:30 AM  

padraig: MmmmBacon: SlothB77: i wish my cable bill was only $200 a month.

I was paying about $210 when I dumped cable TV entirely last year. I've been doing only Cable Internet since, and that is still overpriced at $76.95/month for 50Mbps down and 12Mbps down.

210 dollars for cable ? What the hell is wrong with America ?


35€ for HD and sports package. 150mbps
 
2014-06-25 10:24:50 AM  
Jiro Dreams Of McRibs:

ESPN just signed a 20 year contract with the SEC athletic conference. They got the best college football in the country locked into their cable tier for 20 years.

It'll be interesting to see what college football looks like in 20 years, particularly given the NLRB appears to be leaning towards declaring athletes as college employees.

With a bit of luck we'll see college sports turn into amateur athletics for students to play recreationally and have the current NFL training camp teams split off into a second division professional league.
 
2014-06-25 10:27:53 AM  
I canceled my cable from Comcast and now I only get internet from Comcast so like umm... suck it Comcast?
 
2014-06-25 10:37:53 AM  

Target Builder: So - we've basically worked out we're paying around $1000 a year to watch get Game of Thrones, which feels pretty steep.

I figure if I get a move on with reading the books I won't need to worry about spoilers next season and am looking at going with Internet + Netflix + Amazon Prime combined with theoccasional iTunes buy.

Has anyone done this?
What have your pros and cons been?
Any recommendations on internet speed I should go with? For practical purposes is anything over 10Mbps going to benoticeable?


This is exactly what we did over three years ago, and we haven't looked back. The pros are obvious, many $$$ saved, no commercials, the ability to binge watch shows, etc.

The cons are no sports, which was huge to me. Luckily, I live in MN, so the sports teams haven't been worth watching. Over the years though, I've become less of a sports fan because of it. My wife misses HGTV and the food network, but she seems to have gotten over it. Another con is when there is an interference with my internet connection (which seems to happen a lot!) we lose TV. Oh well, there are worse things.

One added pro for myself is one that you mentioned. Reading has become one of my favorite pastimes, and I now feel the way about my Kindle as I did about TV a number of years ago.

My only recommendation on internet speed would be the more the better, especially if you have multiple devices connected.
 
2014-06-25 10:44:50 AM  
I don't know if lots of people know this about Roku but you can set the minimum Mbps on your box.

Press the HOME button 5 times
Press the REWIND button 3 times
Press the FORWARD button 2 times.

Then move from automatic to the highest speed (I think it's 3.5 which should be all HD).

It seems to have gotten rid of much of the pixelation--YouTube is never a guarantee because the posted videos aren't always the best quality.  Sometimes it tends to hand before loading. YMMV.

Here's a video on YouTube about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXdMmpQerFA

And you don't have to enable debugging.
 
2014-06-25 10:46:23 AM  

Target Builder: With a bit of luck we'll see college sports turn into amateur athletics for students to play recreationally and have the current NFL training camp teams split off into a second division professional league.


Yeah, then we can move away from the boredom of college football and turn it into the excitement of AAA baseball or the D-League!
 
2014-06-25 10:46:39 AM  
We dropped Cable TV and Cell Phone service...
We have Fiber with AT&T and pay $85 a month for unlimited data.
If we're out and about, we find a wireless access point - they are nearly everywhere these days..

We've managed this way for nearly 8 years now... I don't miss it at all and I still watch more than I have time for, via streaming, including sports, even out of market sports, hell, out of Nation sports... it's all out there if you know where to look.

We also subscribe to Hulu+ and Netflix, and even with my Internet bill, and these charges, it's less than carrying Cable TV by itself.

Cut the cord folks, it's the only thing the cable corps will listen too..

Having more savvy consumers would help too, if you'd quit treating your cell phones like a goddamned computer that you need to download shiat on and watch Youtube and stream media on instead of , using it to make phone calls, We'd all be better off.
 
2014-06-25 10:46:57 AM  
I haven't read all the comments, but count me as one of those who went with an over the air antenna, and internet only for $35 a month + Amazon Prime + Netflix. And even Prime and Netflix are luxuries that we feel we can afford. So our Phone (we went with VOIP), Internet, and Netflix/Prime cost us about $52 a month, vs the $130 we were paying for all of the above.
 
2014-06-25 10:48:10 AM  
I have Amazon Prime, Netflix and Hulu Plus.  I'm thinking about dropping Hulu at this point because there's so much content out there that I can watch TV in the background of my second monitor at work all day and still have too much to ever catch up on the shows I actually want to pay attention to when I get home.

I cannot comprehend what anyone would do with cable these days that I can't with just an internet connection.

Not to mention, if I switch to Comcast (which I will never do) I could even get an HBO Go account without a cable subscription.  Unfortunately for them, I have friends to share with instead.

/grew up without cable
//can't think of a single reason to change that
///spoiled "millennial"
 
2014-06-25 10:50:59 AM  
oh and apparently--as demonstrated in the video--it takes a while for the box to lock into the set rate. You'll still get slower rates for sometime. At least I did.
 
2014-06-25 10:51:04 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I canceled my cable from Comcast and now I only get internet from Comcast so like umm... suck it Comcast?


For fun download the xfinity tvgo app. Log in and see if any shows or movies stream.

SWIM is still able to watch an awful lot of xfinity on demand while only paying Comcast for cable
 
2014-06-25 10:51:50 AM  
I use Aereo, so I told all the providers to suck it! Check. Mate!
 
2014-06-25 10:53:33 AM  

lilplatinum: Target Builder: With a bit of luck we'll see college sports turn into amateur athletics for students to play recreationally and have the current NFL training camp teams split off into a second division professional league.

Yeah, then we can move away from the boredom of college football and turn it into the excitement of AAA baseball or the D-League!


You'd have the same athletes playing the same sport.
 
2014-06-25 11:04:12 AM  
Fiber optic is coming to my town this summer. Goodbye Comcast, you sons of biatches.
 
2014-06-25 11:04:38 AM  

Tenga: I use Aereo, so I told all the providers to suck it! Check. Mate!


Um...
 
2014-06-25 11:14:31 AM  

Target Builder: I figure if I get a move on with reading the books I won't need to worry about spoilers next season and am looking at going with Internet + Netflix + Amazon Prime combined with theoccasional iTunes buy.

Has anyone done this?
What have your pros and cons been?
Any recommendations on internet speed I should go with? For practical purposes is anything over 10Mbps going to benoticeable?


One thing that was a PRO for us, but might be a CON for others: you never really just turn on the TV and flip around the channels.  It means I watch a LOT less TV, though the TV I watch is a lot more worth watching.  I keep track of shows by having bookmarks on my laptop, then go check ever once in a while to see what we can watch.

The other thing we do is sort of divide our shows...more binge watching (even if its over a few weeks).  So instead of having 6 different shows we watch every week, we're more likely to be alternating between 2 shows, then, when we're done with those, move onto different shows for a few weeks (*warning* can't do that with shows you stream through network websites since episodes expire after 30 days, but it does work for slightly older stuff or paid content, and Hulu+).

We split our viewing between the PS3 in the living room (Amazon Prime) and using my laptop for network websites.  Prime makes great sense for us, because we're in a little town where my only real shopping options are 1) Walmart, 2) drive 45 minutes each way to nearest bigger town.  We also get Netflix each year until we finish House of Cards and any other show we want to binge.

The only sports I ever watch is NFL, and my buddy and I split the $60 a year for NFL.com's Rewind.  While other people watch Monday Night Football, we can watch 12 games, commercial free, because the 'play only' option has each game lasting 12-15 minutes.  Or just go and watch their highlights, each game gets 2-4 minutes instead of ESPN's 30 seconds of footage.
 
2014-06-25 11:16:46 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: optikeye: TuteTibiImperes: I'm paying closer to $300/month right now when you factor in Internet service.

Dude..for 300 bucks a month..is it really really worth it to see sweaty guys on a field trying to tackle each other.

And as for as HBO goes...sure it has some decent thing...but nothing you can't chill out for a year and get the DVDs from the local library.

Well, it's closer to $250 now that I do the math, but now that I'm looking at it, if I went to all Comcast I could shave about $100/month off of my bill.  That might be worth crawling back to them.

The funny thing is that my team only gets three or four televised games per year anyway.  All of the home games are streamed for free over the website, but I'm almost always working during them, so I have to wait for the next day for the stream to go into the 'library' online.

I could catch up with a bunch of old series on Netflix and just catch the new stuff I want to see after it's moved to streaming or via DVDs by mail....

Now I'm actually contemplating this.  I've just gotten used to paying the bill every month and never really thinking about it.


We kicked DirectTV out last year. We have Xfinity bundled with out internet and to upgrade to 2 HD boxes it is $20 extra a month.

We use a Roku/Console in the other rooms.

Saves us well over $150 a month. We miss some of the shows we used to like, but we got over it.
 
2014-06-25 11:21:31 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: to the documentary "Tabloid", about the beauty queen that kidnapped and raped some nerdy Mormon dude.


.....and added.

Thanks!

/*fap*
 
2014-06-25 11:22:34 AM  
I have the 100 Mbps internet-only plan from Comcast that when I signed up had a special that threw in 45 channels + HBO free for a year. I don't even watch the damn 45 shiatty channels. Here's what I do, and recommend you do the same:

1) Download Popcorn Time. Latest version includes TV shows, and not just movies.
2) Most other stuff I choose to watch is available for free as part of my internet subscription through XFinity On Demand (website) or through the channels themselves (The Daily Show, Colbert Report, South Park, etc)
3) Even if I didn't get the local channels in HD for free through the internet subscription, I could get them with digital rabbit ears.
4) Install AdBlock+ and NoScript and watch sports at either Front Row Sports or Free2all.eu (it's how I watched UVA vs Vanderbilt the other night and all the world cup action)
5) If you're feeling especially geeky, set up Sick Beard and SAZNbd+ on your computer and pay ~50/year for Usenet service and NZB engines to download the what can't be acquired from aforementioned means automatically when they become available.

/seriously though, Popcorn Time is the shiz
 
2014-06-25 11:24:12 AM  

Slam Bradley: I just bought the antenna yesterday. I think we are both (wife and I) ready to cut the cord. The major test will be in August when Dr. Who comes back. I can't for the life of me find a way to stream current episodes of Dr. Who without resorting to the dark arts of the internet.


I'm in the same boat. Which is why we usually have to wait until they come out on DVD. (And then we borrow them from the local library.) If it's something we want to watch immediately, such as the 50th anniversary special or the Christmas special, we suck it up and buy it from Amazon.

But I actually prefer waiting for it to come out on DVD and watching it all at once, so I plan to wait for the first Capaldi season to finish and then grab the disks.

Cut the cord a year ago, and while there are things I miss, I'm very happy. If I could just switch over to just a pure internet service and not have to go through AT&T, I'd be even happier.
 
2014-06-25 11:24:31 AM  
That 100 Mbps plan is only $60 a month.
 
2014-06-25 11:25:28 AM  

Slam Bradley: I just bought the antenna yesterday.  I think we are both (wife and I) ready to cut the cord.  The major test will be in August when Dr. Who comes back.  I can't for the life of me find a way to stream current episodes of Dr. Who without resorting to the dark arts of the internet.

/Red Sox picked a good season to really phone it in so I am not feeling horrible about missing sports at the moment


I use http://projectfree.tv/  to binge watch my shows each season.  Hint: Install pop-up blockers and also keep track of which servers stream the best for your service.  Between that and Netflix, the only time I ever watch broadcast television is if there is a pending severe storm.  I have never had cable or satellite in the almost 20 years I've been living in the sticks, and I haven't watched broadcast TV in two or three years since wireless broadband came to my area.
 
2014-06-25 11:27:34 AM  
I pay 50 bucks a month for internet from Charter. I get no TV, other than what I can get over the air, which is only a few PBS stations occasionally.

My life has changed in no real way since I dropped cable a few years ago. I do Netflix, watch a few shows on their websites (Daily Show, Conan, etc), and have a ton of other online content I regularly watch via Blip and YouTube. That's more than enough, actually.
 
2014-06-25 11:33:23 AM  
the only reason i watch tv anymore is for sports, i think i'd rather get ripped off by an nfl team and just remove the middle man
 
2014-06-25 11:35:58 AM  

pueblonative: No snark, but if more people follow your path I'm guessing we're going to hear a slew of stories about people complaining about receiving their fifth copyright violation notice after going to youtube, or why their internet is as slow as fark yet costs almost as much as their old cable bill. And that "new media" model sounds a lot like the old broadcasting standard.


Except for the part where you didn't have to pay for broadcast TV. Not that you do now for OTA stuff, but how many people are actually getting "broadcast" TV from an antenna these days?

Why are you suggesting that people would start getting slammed for IP/copyright infringement by "cutting the cord" en masse? Underhanded retaliation from cable companies? As the revenue stream dries up, so will their power and influence.

I can't really be concerned with entirely theoretical outcomes of a major shift in the media economy of this country- what I can do is stop paying to have content and ads I don't watch nor have any desire to, delivered to me. As such, I'm pretty happy getting twice the internet bandwidth I had before for less than a third of what my total bill was prior to removing cable. Like Tyler and Cornelius, after the first month, I didn't even miss it.

I feel the same way about Hulu+. Pay for it, and STILL get unskippable ads? Asinine.

/fun fact: if you have an HBO GO subscription tied to your cable account, and then cancel that cable (and even switch providers!) on an XBOX, it won't "unauthorize" your HBO account, despite not having HBO or cable anymore. I see no reason to bring this to anyone's attention who won't benefit.
//I'm sure it'll run out eventually
///The Holy Grail of cable: HBO without a cable package sub.
 
2014-06-25 11:36:19 AM  

TommyymmoT: My internet speeds are crap for fully 1/2 the day


I found my own solution: buying a different router that isn't on their "approved" list and using it anyway. It's fully technologically capable, but the ISP doesn't have the capability to mess with it.
 
2014-06-25 11:37:12 AM  
Had to rid myself of time warner when they got my bill up to $220.  I called them to ask them to lower the bill and they basically told me to pound salt.  I dropped the tv the next day.
 
2014-06-25 11:45:35 AM  
I don't understand how they get away with advertising prices that are so far from reality.  "some fees may apply"  Yeah, right.  The various fees, taxes etc balloon the price by 50% or more.  The price doesn't even include a single cable box rental, so right off the bat it's a lie.
 
2014-06-25 11:51:04 AM  

Alkoholiker: padraig: MmmmBacon: SlothB77: i wish my cable bill was only $200 a month.

I was paying about $210 when I dumped cable TV entirely last year. I've been doing only Cable Internet since, and that is still overpriced at $76.95/month for 50Mbps down and 12Mbps down.

210 dollars for cable ? What the hell is wrong with America ?

35€ for HD and sports package. 150mbps


Yeah, but you guys don't have the Free Market like we do! Dirty commies!
 
2014-06-25 11:53:51 AM  
The average monthly cable bill is now predicted to reach $200 by 2020.

Yeah, I had to dump mine when it got to $190 two years ago, but kept DSL internet. Having that extra $125/mo sure does come in handy.
 
2014-06-25 11:56:26 AM  

grinding_journalist: pueblonative: No snark, but if more people follow your path I'm guessing we're going to hear a slew of stories about people complaining about receiving their fifth copyright violation notice after going to youtube, or why their internet is as slow as fark yet costs almost as much as their old cable bill. And that "new media" model sounds a lot like the old broadcasting standard.

Except for the part where you didn't have to pay for broadcast TV. Not that you do now for OTA stuff, but how many people are actually getting "broadcast" TV from an antenna these days?


So it now sounds like cable in the old days.  How long did that remain relatively ad free?  You honestly think those ad companies aren't going to go after people who have disposable income and who have proven that they will spend it?  You don't think they're not going to start increasing the number of commercials?  if I'm a salesman I'm actively looking for those people and how many ads I can pitch them.  The number of ads you have to watch to "pay" for your content is going to go up and up and up.


Why are you suggesting that people would start getting slammed for IP/copyright infringement by "cutting the cord" en masse? Underhanded retaliation from cable companies? As the revenue stream dries up, so will their power and influence.

It's not like those companies have nothing but spider webs in their war chest.  They have a fark ton of money, and as we see the merger of content producers with distributors (i.e. NBCUniversalComcastTime) they're gonna find ways to maintain the financial stream.  Maybe it's not something as blatantly obvious as a copyright warning.  Maybe you start getting cap warnings, or an extra ten dollars tacked onto your bill with a suggestion that if you want to trim your bill to go through streampix, which is included with your internet and doesn't impact your cap.  Or they just start raising the price of your internet.  Try to go with somebody else?  They're gonna get throttled.  They're going to get their money, one way or another.  Net neutrality?  We've already seen where that has gone.
 
2014-06-25 11:58:22 AM  

StopLurkListen: When I first moved into this box canyon I installed an unpowered analog antenna on the roof -- haha! No way. I could only get one station's signal from San Jose, 30 miles away. Otherwise, the hills blocked the much closer San Francisco signals.

Anyone have any experience with powered HD antennas in hill country? Thanks!


You need to get a mast tower to get your antenna up higher.  The hills are blocking your signal and an amplifier won't help.  You'll just amplify signals that have been distorted by the hills.
 
2014-06-25 11:59:20 AM  

Target Builder: lilplatinum: Target Builder: With a bit of luck we'll see college sports turn into amateur athletics for students to play recreationally and have the current NFL training camp teams split off into a second division professional league.

Yeah, then we can move away from the boredom of college football and turn it into the excitement of AAA baseball or the D-League!

You'd have the same athletes playing the same sport.


You would have far less of them and nobody would give a shiat because they aren't affiliated with schools.  No one gives a shiat about any other minor league, other than maybe to ocassionally see a cheap baseball game on dollar beer or hotdog night.  Take college out of football and it would be ignored like every other minor or semi professional league.
 
2014-06-25 12:05:30 PM  
$2400 a year is insane. You can lease a car for less than that.

I got rid of cable seven years ago and don't miss it at all. I pay about $150-200 a year for online streaming and get exactly what I want.
 
2014-06-25 12:07:30 PM  

dascott: I don't understand how they get away with advertising prices that are so far from reality.  "some fees may apply"  Yeah, right.  The various fees, taxes etc balloon the price by 50% or more.  The price doesn't even include a single cable box rental, so right off the bat it's a lie.


I remember when Comcast started promising digital adapters free for as long as you had the service. . .or until the FCC ruled that it was legal to encrypt your signals, whichever came first.  Guess which came first?
 
2014-06-25 12:14:34 PM  
Everyone knows cable is going away, but don't think for a second that the companies will let you save money while enjoying what they provide. Things are already changing. Internet prices will go up, caps are already going in place, and the biggest of all, they've pretty much killed net neutrality. Brag all you want about how you watch Netflix and the like, but don't think for a second that the media companies will let this continue without getting what they feel is their cut.
 
2014-06-25 12:15:45 PM  

Slam Bradley: I just bought the antenna yesterday.  I think we are both (wife and I) ready to cut the cord.  The major test will be in August when Dr. Who comes back.  I can't for the life of me find a way to stream current episodes of Dr. Who without resorting to the dark arts of the internet.

/Red Sox picked a good season to really phone it in so I am not feeling horrible about missing sports at the moment


VPN for $5/month & BBC iPlayer.
 
2014-06-25 12:30:57 PM  

HempHead: Slam Bradley: I just bought the antenna yesterday.  I think we are both (wife and I) ready to cut the cord.  The major test will be in August when Dr. Who comes back.  I can't for the life of me find a way to stream current episodes of Dr. Who without resorting to the dark arts of the internet.

/Red Sox picked a good season to really phone it in so I am not feeling horrible about missing sports at the moment

VPN for $5/month & BBC iPlayer.


Data caps really don't care how many boxy-proxies you hide behind.
 
2014-06-25 12:33:33 PM  

dascott: I don't understand how they get away with advertising prices that are so far from reality.  "some fees may apply"  Yeah, right.  The various fees, taxes etc balloon the price by 50% or more.  The price doesn't even include a single cable box rental, so right off the bat it's a lie.


That's what infuriated me in the USA : the hidden fees. The price advertised NEVER was the price you'd pay.
 
2014-06-25 12:37:42 PM  

pueblonative: HempHead: Slam Bradley: I just bought the antenna yesterday.  I think we are both (wife and I) ready to cut the cord.  The major test will be in August when Dr. Who comes back.  I can't for the life of me find a way to stream current episodes of Dr. Who without resorting to the dark arts of the internet.

/Red Sox picked a good season to really phone it in so I am not feeling horrible about missing sports at the moment

VPN for $5/month & BBC iPlayer.

Data caps really don't care how many boxy-proxies you hide behind.


How big can an episode of Dr Who be?

BBC iPlayer even gives you the option to stream SD or HD.
 
2014-06-25 12:45:19 PM  

hubiestubert: Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.


Pretty much this. Two hundred channels of nothing I want to watch and two channels of occasionally decent programming is not a good value proposition. Better to pay for Netflix, Hulu, and Crunchyroll for the kid.

I'm surprised their business model has lasted this long but with the proliferation of content providers offering their own streaming services the days of the cable company in its current form are numbered which is probably why their looking to screw with net neutrality so they can start squeezing content providers as well as their traditional customers.
 
2014-06-25 12:50:46 PM  
Dumped my cable when it got to $150.  Only reason why I kept it as long as I did was because the wife watches her Asian soap operas during the day, and Comcast won't let you add those channels without buying their premium cable package.  Thankfully, Dish came along and offered DishWorld app for iPads/iPhones for $15/month, not satellite or cable needed.

Now my wife watches all her same shows, and with the app mirrored on Apple TV, the quality and sharpness is actually even better than what Comcast was providing.  Saving us $100 per month (Internet and DishWorld/Hulu/Netflix/Amazon Prime only).  That is practically two trips to Disneyland each year.
 
2014-06-25 01:02:18 PM  
I have 30Mbps interwebs for like $51 after taxes.  No cable TV.
 
2014-06-25 01:10:43 PM  
If Netflix can start offering some streaming deals for a la carte pricing on individual TV channels that the cable companies refuse to offer, that could really take the wind out of their sails.
 
2014-06-25 01:36:21 PM  

HempHead: pueblonative: HempHead: Slam Bradley: I just bought the antenna yesterday.  I think we are both (wife and I) ready to cut the cord.  The major test will be in August when Dr. Who comes back.  I can't for the life of me find a way to stream current episodes of Dr. Who without resorting to the dark arts of the internet.

/Red Sox picked a good season to really phone it in so I am not feeling horrible about missing sports at the moment

VPN for $5/month & BBC iPlayer.

Data caps really don't care how many boxy-proxies you hide behind.

How big can an episode of Dr Who be?

BBC iPlayer even gives you the option to stream SD or HD.



Tom Baker alone as the doctor is around 30 gigs in 480p...

then you have steam summer sales which rape your bandwidth as much as your wallet

and the icing on the cake is there are isp's who say, and get quite offended when you point out their bullshi@t, "25GB/mo is more than anyone should ever need... but just in case here is 10GB more (one time transaction for the month it is purchased in) for $15.
 
2014-06-25 01:40:55 PM  
The only cable shows I watch are nature / science / history things on Discovery, National Geographic, Animal Planet, etc.Unfortunately, Hulu, Netflix, etc do not carry those type of shows. Is there any way I can still watch those shows without cable? Or does cable have me by the balls?
 
2014-06-25 01:44:08 PM  

mrmopar5287: If Netflix can start offering some streaming deals for a la carte pricing on individual TV channels that the cable companies refuse to offer, that could really take the wind out of their sails.


Many of the cable networks won't allow that.  As example, Discovery Networks supposedly requires that their Health, Destination, Heroes and Science channels all be packaged together.

Besides, à la carte TV has missed its time.  It should have been available 15-20 years ago with first generation digital cable boxes.  But now with video on demand services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Google Play, the iStore and cable PPV, why bother paying for a channel when you only watch a few shows on it?  Just pay for the shows directly.
 
2014-06-25 01:47:41 PM  

MBA Whore: The only cable shows I watch are nature / science / history things on Discovery, National Geographic, Animal Planet, etc.Unfortunately, Hulu, Netflix, etc do not carry those type of shows. Is there any way I can still watch those shows without cable? Or does cable have me by the balls?


The PBS app on my xbox has a ton of Nature shows, and there are a crap load of documentaries on Netflix
 
2014-06-25 01:53:50 PM  

mrmopar5287: If Netflix can start offering some streaming deals for a la carte pricing on individual TV channels that the cable companies refuse to offer, that could really take the wind out of their sails.


problem is in part the channels themselves.  To illustrate (based on 2001 knowledge) they say the following:

Channel 1 - 7.50 per month per customer AND 90% or more of your customers have access AND you have to carry Channel 1A or penalty rate
Channel 1A - 4.75 per month per customer AND 90% or more of your customers have access AND you have to carry Channel 1B or penalty rate
Channel 1B - 2.00 per month per customer AND 70% or more of your customers have access or penalty rate

Channel 2 - 1.00 per month per customer AND you have to carry Channel 3, Channel 4, Channel 14 and Channel xyz in the same tiers or get none

Channels 2, 3, 4, 14 & xyz are all owned by the same company, but the channels are likely unrelated in their content (i.e. Discovery, Spike & Scifi, etc "this not accurate for ownership)

Channel 1* can bully you like this cause they cover sports and much of your customer base will flee if you dont have them

in a nut shell, content providers can set these terms.  Also, just to be able to see their pricing, you have to sign a non-disclosure agreement to sit at the table, or they wont talk to you, especially if you contact through a broker/organization that represents content providers so you are negotiating with one party instead each and every channels and spending the money on lawyers for each and every contract.

with the above package deals in place, content providers can pad their wallets (so can the cable/SAT providers).  why do you think ala carte has never been done despite customer screaming for it for at least a decade?
 
2014-06-25 02:06:32 PM  

Dinjiin: Besides, à la carte TV has missed its time.  It should have been available 15-20 years ago with first generation digital cable boxes.  But now with video on demand services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Google Play, the iStore and cable PPV, why bother paying for a channel when you only watch a few shows on it?  Just pay for the shows directly.


There is something to be said about having ESPN and other sports networks for live sporting events.  I bet there are a lot of people who would love to buy the NFL Sunday Ticket thing without having to have DirecTV with all the other channels and instead just get it through Netflix.
 
2014-06-25 02:21:30 PM  

Enuratique: /seriously though, Popcorn Time is the shiz


I thought they shut down Popcorn Time after one awesome week? I kept the app installed up until a couple of weeks ago, but every time I started it up it never worked. The screen would only be blank.

/we'll always have vodly.too
//maybe PT has been blocked in the US
 
2014-06-25 02:24:18 PM  
Funny, I already over-pay that.  But I'm a fool and too lazy to figure out how to get off the "FIOS-grid".
 
2014-06-25 02:27:57 PM  

mrmopar5287: Dinjiin: Besides, à la carte TV has missed its time.  It should have been available 15-20 years ago with first generation digital cable boxes.  But now with video on demand services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Google Play, the iStore and cable PPV, why bother paying for a channel when you only watch a few shows on it?  Just pay for the shows directly.

There is something to be said about having ESPN and other sports networks for live sporting events.  I bet there are a lot of people who would love to buy the NFL Sunday Ticket thing without having to have DirecTV with all the other channels and instead just get it through Netflix.


Pretty much this...sports is the only thing keeping us from cutting the cord entirely.

However, if you have more than one major cable provider in your area, you can just switch back and forth every year or two, and get a "new customer" discount. They count on customers just staying once the promo pricing runs out, because it's a minor hassle to switch. It's really not if you have web-based email. For instance, WOW is giving us extended basic (no HD), 15Mb internet, and phone for around $150/mo. Charter offered us all that, plus HD, plus 60Mb internet, plus all 3 HBO, all 3 Showtime, and all 3 Cinemax for a little over $100/mo, cable cards for the Tivos and a free DVR for the bedroom included. Guess who's coming out tomorrow to hook up? We'll stay with them for the 2 years that they guarantee the price, then either switch back to WOW or cut the cord entirely.

Oh, and there's no contract, so we can get out at any time.
 
2014-06-25 02:36:17 PM  
$200 cable bill?  Cute.  Project your home's real estate taxes out to 2020 or better yet, 2030

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2014-06-25 02:55:15 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: $200 cable bill?  Cute.  Project your home's real estate taxes out to 2020 or better yet, 2030

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2020 is only 5 1/2 years away. Nothing should go up more than about 10-15% over that span without a specific cause.

I can't fathom the average cable bill being $200, and I'm hardly a "I don't own a TV" type. I have HD cable (not a premium package, but all the normal stuff, ESPN, etc), an HD DVR, and 50 Mbps internet for $104/mo. I don't know what I could add to make that $200 just 5 years from now, aside from upgrading to 500 Mbps internet which is like $500/mo and quite unnecessary.

There's got to be a lot of folks out there with just TV service paying $70/mo and I can't believe there are enough people paying $300+/mo to balance them out.
 
2014-06-25 02:56:44 PM  

MBA Whore: The only cable shows I watch are nature / science / history things on Discovery, National Geographic, Animal Planet, etc.Unfortunately, Hulu, Netflix, etc do not carry those type of shows. Is there any way I can still watch those shows without cable? Or does cable have me by the balls?


Maybe you're looking for very specific things, but Netflix has a tremendous amount of nature and science shows. Perhaps you haven't checked in a long time?

Searching on Netflix for "Discovery Channel" brings up at least 100 different shows- Mythbusters, Dirty Jobs, Into the Universe, dinosaur stuff, ocean stuff, more space stuff, more dinosaur stuff, etc.

They seem to have a weird fixation on Alaska...

Searching for National Geographic brings up over 200 shows, but a lot of those are one-off documentaries.

Searching for Animal Planet brings up about 20 or 30 shows.


I can't find a way for non-subscribers to search their streaming library, but their "Documentaries" page has a lot of that kind of stuff. Look for the titles with the Discover, Nat. Geo., and Animal Planet logos.

http://www.netflix.com/WiGenre?agid=6839
 
2014-06-25 02:58:14 PM  
I just saw that you can narrow the browsing to "Science and Nature Documentaries"

http://www.netflix.com/WiGenre?agid=2595&orderBy=su&pl=6839
 
2014-06-25 02:58:20 PM  
I always laugh when people are like, 'Hahaha cable TV?  Just ditch it and use the internet!'

Okay Buddy, tell me, where are you going to get your blazing fast high-speed internet connection that will allow you and your family to stream all this media?  What's that?  The CABLE COMPANY?  Or maybe you'll go to the PHONE COMPANY.  In either case, you'll be getting screwed, just like everyone else.  The last time I was in the US, ~4 years ago, with Comcast, internet only cost me $50 and internet only + basic cable was like $55.
 
2014-06-25 03:00:35 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Okay Buddy, tell me, where are you going to get your blazing fast high-speed internet connection that will allow you and your family to stream all this media?  What's that?  The CABLE COMPANY?  Or maybe you'll go to the PHONE COMPANY.  In either case, you'll be getting screwed, just like everyone else.  The last time I was in the US, ~4 years ago, with Comcast, internet only cost me $50 and internet only + basic cable was like $55.


That varies a lot by market.

We've got a reliable 30Mbps down, no caps, for $40/mo in St. Louis. I think that rate expires in two years and will eventually go up to $60/mo. Then we'll just switch to another provider and take advantage of their promo rate for a year or two.

I'm really hoping that Google Fiber makes it's way over from KC.
 
2014-06-25 03:18:26 PM  

dookdookdook: havana_joe: With cable it's just so much easier to scroll through channels or the listings and find something to put on.

See, what you need isn't cable, it's a white noise machine.


this. I got rid of cable 8 years ago and have found that I no longer lose afternoons watching Waterworld on the couch. My children don't have a set TV time schedule based upon the aired programming, they have to actively seek out what they want to see. Honestly, that is the biggest upside to it.
 
2014-06-25 03:41:29 PM  
Internet streaming only is not currently a viable alternative to cable television for any real TV watcher. The content is simply not there. The majority of cable stations do not make their shows available streaming to people that can't prove they subscribe to cable. The few shows that do stream on Hulu are often edited, and full of just as many ads as if you were to watch on TV. The content on Netflix is mostly stale, and takes a long time to get updated. Slow connection speeds and data caps make streaming not viable for many people. I have AT&T DSL, and heaven forbid I should want to watch something on Netflix while browsing something that is even slightly data heavy in the internet, forget about it, nothing works.

So yeah, cutting the cord is fine if you don't like watching TV in the first place, don't mind waiting (sometimes a long time) to see new episodes of the shows you watch, and have an internet connection to support streaming. Unfortunately for those of us that like sports or shows on cable, streaming just isn't a viable option as of yet, without resorting to illegal downloads or streaming. I have the cheapest tier available from DirecTV and I pay less than $50 a month, and it's fine.
 
2014-06-25 03:42:10 PM  

TommyymmoT: I'm making arrangements to drop Time Warner completely.
$143 a month for cable, HBO, and internet, and it works whenever it feels like it.
I don't need 12 shopping channels, over 70 sports channels that I couldn't give a rat's ass about (right now they're showing JV high school soccer on one of the channels), and several pay channels featuring 30 year old movies.

I've changed boxes 3 times, and I still have to reboot this Cisco based piece of crap at least once a day.
My internet speeds are crap for fully 1/2 the day despite having the the best modem available and a squeaky clean i7 with no bloatware.


Boys or girls JV high school soccer?
 
2014-06-25 03:44:33 PM  
Fubini, Netflix won't give me much info unless I sign up for a free trial. What is the range of subscriptions? What I mean is: Is there only one subscription or is it like cable where pricier subscriptions give you more content, speed or both?
 
2014-06-25 03:46:14 PM  

oh_please: mrmopar5287: Dinjiin: Besides, à la carte TV has missed its time.  It should have been available 15-20 years ago with first generation digital cable boxes.  But now with video on demand services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Google Play, the iStore and cable PPV, why bother paying for a channel when you only watch a few shows on it?  Just pay for the shows directly.

There is something to be said about having ESPN and other sports networks for live sporting events.  I bet there are a lot of people who would love to buy the NFL Sunday Ticket thing without having to have DirecTV with all the other channels and instead just get it through Netflix.

Pretty much this...sports is the only thing keeping us from cutting the cord entirely.

However, if you have more than one major cable provider in your area, you can just switch back and forth every year or two, and get a "new customer" discount. They count on customers just staying once the promo pricing runs out, because it's a minor hassle to switch. It's really not if you have web-based email. For instance, WOW is giving us extended basic (no HD), 15Mb internet, and phone for around $150/mo. Charter offered us all that, plus HD, plus 60Mb internet, plus all 3 HBO, all 3 Showtime, and all 3 Cinemax for a little over $100/mo, cable cards for the Tivos and a free DVR for the bedroom included. Guess who's coming out tomorrow to hook up? We'll stay with them for the 2 years that they guarantee the price, then either switch back to WOW or cut the cord entirely.

Oh, and there's no contract, so we can get out at any time.


I am ready to do that soon.  I called Charter this weekend to get my $200 bill down to a more reasonable rate (all cable channels, internet and phone).  I looked up their new customer price and the same package I have is $136 a month.  AT&T's similiar package is $134 (slower internet).  The three people I talked to said that last year Charter dropped their 'renegotiate every year' policy that kept my rates pretty reasonable and now going with new and current customer rates.  Nothing else.  I asked for the rate someone who hasn't been a customer for 10 years would get and was told there was no other option.  When I explained that there were at least 2 other options (AT&T and DirectTV) the supervisor seemed confused and told me how their 'market research' developed this model.  She didn't get the sarcasm when I asked if the 'market research' included talking to customers about their $200 bill.  It turns out that if I switch just the cable to AT&T and use Charter for Internet (100mb is hard to give up) and Phone, my total monthly bill would be about the same as a new customer with either company.
 
2014-06-25 03:54:53 PM  

DORMAMU: HempHead: pueblonative: HempHead: Slam Bradley: I just bought the antenna yesterday.  I think we are both (wife and I) ready to cut the cord.  The major test will be in August when Dr. Who comes back.  I can't for the life of me find a way to stream current episodes of Dr. Who without resorting to the dark arts of the internet.

/Red Sox picked a good season to really phone it in so I am not feeling horrible about missing sports at the moment

VPN for $5/month & BBC iPlayer.

Data caps really don't care how many boxy-proxies you hide behind.

How big can an episode of Dr Who be?

BBC iPlayer even gives you the option to stream SD or HD.


Tom Baker alone as the doctor is around 30 gigs in 480p...

then you have steam summer sales which rape your bandwidth as much as your wallet

and the icing on the cake is there are isp's who say, and get quite offended when you point out their bullshi@t, "25GB/mo is more than anyone should ever need... but just in case here is 10GB more (one time transaction for the month it is purchased in) for $15.


Unfortunately, BBC iPlayer only ever keeps a few recent, past episodes.

It would be great if they had entire libraries of shows.
 
2014-06-25 04:12:53 PM  

mcmnky: TommyymmoT: I'm making arrangements to drop Time Warner completely.
$143 a month for cable, HBO, and internet, and it works whenever it feels like it.
I don't need 12 shopping channels, over 70 sports channels that I couldn't give a rat's ass about (right now they're showing JV high school soccer on one of the channels), and several pay channels featuring 30 year old movies.

I've changed boxes 3 times, and I still have to reboot this Cisco based piece of crap at least once a day.
My internet speeds are crap for fully 1/2 the day despite having the the best modem available and a squeaky clean i7 with no bloatware.

Boys or girls JV high school soccer?


Boys. I'm not going to pay to watch a bunch of two legged zits kick a ball around thinking it's important.
 
2014-06-25 04:36:01 PM  

TommyymmoT: mcmnky: TommyymmoT: I'm making arrangements to drop Time Warner completely.
$143 a month for cable, HBO, and internet, and it works whenever it feels like it.
I don't need 12 shopping channels, over 70 sports channels that I couldn't give a rat's ass about (right now they're showing JV high school soccer on one of the channels), and several pay channels featuring 30 year old movies.

I've changed boxes 3 times, and I still have to reboot this Cisco based piece of crap at least once a day.
My internet speeds are crap for fully 1/2 the day despite having the the best modem available and a squeaky clean i7 with no bloatware.

Boys or girls JV high school soccer?

Boys. I'm not going to pay to watch a bunch of two legged zits kick a ball around thinking it's important.


[this is an outrage.jpg]
 
2014-06-25 04:45:14 PM  
mcmnky:

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============

Damned right it's an outrage Sparky.
Fully half my bill goes to pay for channels that the majority of people wouldn't watch even if it were the only programming available.
 
2014-06-25 04:46:43 PM  

bluenote13: oh_please: mrmopar5287: Dinjiin: Besides, à la carte TV has missed its time.  It should have been available 15-20 years ago with first generation digital cable boxes.  But now with video on demand services like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Google Play, the iStore and cable PPV, why bother paying for a channel when you only watch a few shows on it?  Just pay for the shows directly.

There is something to be said about having ESPN and other sports networks for live sporting events.  I bet there are a lot of people who would love to buy the NFL Sunday Ticket thing without having to have DirecTV with all the other channels and instead just get it through Netflix.

Pretty much this...sports is the only thing keeping us from cutting the cord entirely.

However, if you have more than one major cable provider in your area, you can just switch back and forth every year or two, and get a "new customer" discount. They count on customers just staying once the promo pricing runs out, because it's a minor hassle to switch. It's really not if you have web-based email. For instance, WOW is giving us extended basic (no HD), 15Mb internet, and phone for around $150/mo. Charter offered us all that, plus HD, plus 60Mb internet, plus all 3 HBO, all 3 Showtime, and all 3 Cinemax for a little over $100/mo, cable cards for the Tivos and a free DVR for the bedroom included. Guess who's coming out tomorrow to hook up? We'll stay with them for the 2 years that they guarantee the price, then either switch back to WOW or cut the cord entirely.

Oh, and there's no contract, so we can get out at any time.

I am ready to do that soon.  I called Charter this weekend to get my $200 bill down to a more reasonable rate (all cable channels, internet and phone).  I looked up their new customer price and the same package I have is $136 a month.  AT&T's similiar package is $134 (slower internet).  The three people I talked to said that last year Charter dropped their 'renegotiate every year' policy that kept my ...


Seriously, DO NOT get ATT DSL, unless you have one computer and just check your email/Facebook.

Quite frankly, I think it farking sucks that cable providers couldn't give a damn about their existing customers. I told WOW what Charter was offering,  said I want to stay with them, they basically told me, "too bad for you", and the rep spent all her time trying to bash Charter and telling me how awful it would be to have to change my email address. Really, that was their argument. I told her I wanted to speak with someone in customer retention, she said she was a "customer retention specialist". I told her she didn't do her job.
 
2014-06-25 05:58:51 PM  

MBA Whore: Fubini, Netflix won't give me much info unless I sign up for a free trial. What is the range of subscriptions?


Streaming (to 2 devices simultaneously) is $7.99 per month.

DVD plans ranged from $7.99 to $19.99 per month (depending on the number of discs (1-3) and whether you get blu+ray discs)
 
2014-06-25 06:10:00 PM  

oh_please: Pretty much this...sports is the only thing keeping us from cutting the cord entirely.


Given the blackout and merchandising rules of the NFL, MLB, and NBA, I am amazed that US TV sports fans even exist any more.

From where I sit it looks like fans are in a co-dependent relationship with someone who visits only to beat money out of the fan.
 
2014-06-25 06:10:57 PM  
We have Comcast triple-play and our bill is around 200 a month. Kathryn loves to watch TV and watches a revolving diet of perhaps 50 channels. I enjoy watching HGTV, Food Channel, Destination, Travel Channel, and a few more. The TV is probably on a minimum of 10-12 hours a day since she teaches at night and is home grading papers during the day. So, until it gets a lot more expensive, I imagine we will stick with it. I have to say that my dealings with Comcast, with only a few exceptions, has been just fine. My cable TV has only really gone out once in over 10 years and that was when the Twin Cities got hit by straight-line winds in excess of 70 MPH and EVERYONE lost power and cable for the weekend across the city. Our internet service so far has had, maybe, one glitchy moment, and our phone service (yes, we still have a land line) is perfect. So, I guess I don't mind (much) paying a premium price for service that is virtually uninterrupted with no real problems, plus enough variety on the TV that it keeps Kathryn entertained. If it was just me, I might cut way back, but this is one of her real pleasures in life (she watches lots of documentaries, stuff on BBC America, and other channels that bore me to tears)...so I'm not going to deny that.
 
2014-06-25 06:13:49 PM  

Target Builder: So - we've basically worked out we're paying around $1000 a year to watch get Game of Thrones, which feels pretty steep.

I figure if I get a move on with reading the books I won't need to worry about spoilers next season and am looking at going with Internet + Netflix + Amazon Prime combined with theoccasional iTunes buy.

Has anyone done this?
What have your pros and cons been?
Any recommendations on internet speed I should go with? For practical purposes is anything over 10Mbps going to benoticeable?


Just buy game of thrones blu-Ray after it comes out. Target is usually half price and you can link it to your Ultraviolet account for streaming.

You'll want 10-15 if you stream a lot. Upload you dont care.
 
2014-06-25 06:18:42 PM  
Comcast keeps trying to get me to put my phone on their service.  I ask them "why would I put my phone on my most unreliable service provider"?  I need my phone to call Comcast when the Comcast connection is down.
 
2014-06-25 06:22:55 PM  
R       O       K      U.com


is all i have to say.  Thank you Lord of Internet and Content without F*cking Cable TV and its worthless commercials.


i've forgotten about cable TV and Satellite ever since.
 
2014-06-25 06:24:12 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Comcast keeps trying to get me to put my phone on their service.  I ask them "why would I put my phone on my most unreliable service provider"?  I need my phone to call Comcast when the Comcast connection is down.



Callcentric.com


Thank you Lord of All that is VOIP.   it finally set me free.
 
2014-06-25 06:26:46 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Roku



yea, that works. but remember, you'll bust your monthly ISP cap sooner, depending on if you have a cap and how much it is.

Roku delivered me from the Evil.    i sure miss all those mindless commercials too.  did i mention it's much cheaper too??
 
2014-06-25 06:28:56 PM  

jst3p: Roku



Roku has so much media content that you'll forget about the few shows you don't get.
 
2014-06-25 06:30:04 PM  

hubiestubert: Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.



slap a Roku on that biatch and have it both ways.  Have your Cake and eat it too.
 
2014-06-25 06:31:07 PM  

SlothB77: i wish my cable bill was only $200 a month.


wow, your ass is taking a pounding.   check out Roku.com
 
2014-06-25 06:35:48 PM  
Here is is. Homies.    Read and Weep.


50/3 Mbps Internet = 50 smacks/month

Roku  = 100 smacks to purchase. they range from 50 to 100 for the best one. the size of a hockey puck. no moving parts.

Netflix = 8 smacks per month

Hulu Plus = 8 smacks per month

YouTube = Free

and about 1000 other mostly free channels to choose from.    98% of Commercials GONE.   GONE away.


Thank You.
 
2014-06-25 06:39:01 PM  

padraig: MmmmBacon: SlothB77: i wish my cable bill was only $200 a month.

I was paying about $210 when I dumped cable TV entirely last year. I've been doing only Cable Internet since, and that is still overpriced at $76.95/month for 50Mbps down and 12Mbps down.

210 dollars for cable ? What the hell is wrong with America ?



she's a corrupt little biatch, that's what's wrong.   i got rid of cable and never missed it or looked back.  Roku came to my rescue.
 
2014-06-25 06:47:16 PM  
America:  Where poor and middle-income people voluntarily give $200/month of their hard-earned income to wealthy people in order to watch television.  That is absolutely insane.  $200 a month is a car payment for chrissakes.  Over ten years you are paying $24,000 TO WATCH TV.  That is unfarkingbelievable.  Do you people ever want to retire???

I have an antenna.  I get TV for free.  Maybe 20 channels.  When I go to friends' houses and scroll through the channel guides, there is just nothing I would pay even $100 a month for, which seems to be pretty standard once all the taxes and fees are added in.  $100 a month?  I can go to Mexico for a week every year for that!

I am a sports fan.  If I had cable, I'd probably watch too much TV and be even fatter than I am.  If I really want to see a certain game, I go to a bar.

I also have no internet at home.  I have a smartphone if I need to look at something.  If it won't work on the smartphone, I'll look at whatever it is at work instead.  I look at Fark, Twitter, Facebook etc. all the time and it's just fine doing it on the phone.  Quite frankly, I'm glad to detach from the internet while at home.  I surf enough at work, like I am right now.
 
2014-06-25 07:05:52 PM  
Years ago I had RCN they were pretty cheap and fairly reliable. That changed when they "upgraded" the system, they bragged about all the channels they had, but a majority of the channels were foreign language ones and they took away some channels I actually watched. Glad I moved and dumped them a few months later. Probably going to dump comcast in Augus to start saving money.
 
2014-06-25 07:13:37 PM  
In 2020?  I'm paying nearly $200 NOW, Subby.
 
2014-06-25 08:00:39 PM  

thrasherrr: oh_please: Pretty much this...sports is the only thing keeping us from cutting the cord entirely.

Given the blackout and merchandising rules of the NFL, MLB, and NBA, I am amazed that US TV sports fans even exist any more.

From where I sit it looks like fans are in a co-dependent relationship with someone who visits only to beat money out of the fan.


Around here, it's college, specifically the SEC...I'm a Tide fan, and the Mrs. graduated from South Carolina, so we NEEDS our college football.

Yeah, the co-dependent comment is spot-on, but it is what it is. Both of us absolutely live for football season, and we have a blast every Saturday, either by ourselves, or with friends (most of them are dirty Aubs).
 
2014-06-25 08:28:00 PM  

oh_please: Yeah, the co-dependent comment is spot-on, but it is what it is. Both of us absolutely live for football season, and we have a blast every Saturday, either by ourselves, or with friends (most of them are dirty Aubs).


Glad you can still have fun with it, and don't live where you can't get the games.
 
2014-06-25 08:47:44 PM  
Guess that Comcast-Time Warner merger WAS the doom-and-gloom situation everyone predicted.  (Fortunately, for the same $200, you can buy
a decent DVD player and a boatload of used discs - and you can trade them if you have someone to trade with - not to mention that the same
DVD can be watched by many people at a time; you won't have to shell out $10+ apiece for tickets.)
 
2014-06-25 10:58:01 PM  

Linux_Yes: Here is is. Homies.    Read and Weep.


50/3 Mbps Internet = 50 smacks/month

Roku  = 100 smacks to purchase. they range from 50 to 100 for the best one. the size of a hockey puck. no moving parts.

Netflix = 8 smacks per month

Hulu Plus = 8 smacks per month

YouTube = Free

and about 1000 other mostly free channels to choose from.    98% of Commercials GONE.   GONE away.


Thank You.


I love my Roku. Best small investment I made a year ago. Their content selection is HUGE. And Plex adds nice extra functionality.
 
2014-06-26 10:29:01 AM  

Lsherm: Relatively Obscure: hubiestubert: Or I can just pay for an internet connection, and forget about cable entirely.

I have cable because cable and internet cost me essentially the same as just internet, unless I wanted to downgrade to something like a 3-5 Mbps connection from the competition.

HAHAHAHAHA!

I only have Comcast.  $60 a month just for the lowest tier internet, or $70 for internet and TV.  I'm still seriously considering getting rid of the TV.

I'm not kidding - there isn't even DSL offered by anyone where I live.  Just Comcast cable internet, or Verizon wireless broadband modems that cap out at 10GB per month at $100.


PDAnet if you have a smartphone.
 
2014-06-26 12:17:39 PM  
I bought a digital antennae at Target for $30 that picks up 45 channels. I'll never pay for cable again.
 
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