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(Talking Points Memo)   Senator Ron Johnson (R):"I have a crazy idea. How about we do not oppose things that the majority of voters want just because we have different personal opinions?"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 78
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2014-06-24 08:15:23 PM  
RINO
 
2014-06-24 08:29:08 PM  
I hate the teatards we ended up with in 2010 but it's nice to see Ron realizes a losing battle when he sees it I guess. I'm still not voting for him.
 
2014-06-24 08:30:27 PM  
Hey ass hat, have fun getting trounced by Russ in 16

Ron Johnson is not coming out pro-gay marriage but instead pro-states right/tyranny of the majority
 
2014-06-24 08:35:34 PM  
So you have another job lined up, dumbass?
 
2014-06-24 08:39:58 PM  
I'm sure he believes 300 million people voted for Romney but had their votes stolen by the Black ACORN Mind Control Soroscannon
 
2014-06-24 09:09:32 PM  
When your opinions are shared by Jesus, you don't compromise.
 
2014-06-24 09:11:00 PM  
I'm sorry, I lost you there.  What's all this "not opposing" shiat you're talking about?
 
2014-06-24 09:27:57 PM  
That's as close as Mr. Opposition is going to get to approving of something. Obama is still Black you know.
 
2014-06-24 09:51:02 PM  
Because wasting money on drug testing welfare recipients is a wast of money even if you like it.
 
2014-06-24 09:54:21 PM  
I have mixed feelings about this.  On one hand, it's good to see a Republican legislator publicly state that the evangelical stance on social issues had to stop.  Having actual level headed conservatives in government instead of zealots driven by a desire for ideological purity would likely be better overall.

On the other hand, if this kind of thing starts to spread throughout the GOP, they'll stop alienating so many people, and they may begin to regrow a base big enough to retake the presidency.  While the hate-filled rhetoric on social issues would likely be swept under the rug is such a situation, the conservative economic positions would stay, and those are just as bad as the social issue policies.

So, overall, I can give him kudos for trying to be a decent human being, but I hope the rest of the party remains as dickish as possible so that they continue to hemorrhage support from the middle and we may one day be free from Reaganomics.
 
2014-06-24 10:03:30 PM  
Why does the term "lip service" come to mind?
 
2014-06-24 11:01:59 PM  
He doesn't hate gays enough to interfere in their lives and with their rights?  Then he can't be a very good Christian man.
 
2014-06-24 11:28:45 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: the conservative economic positions would stay, and those are just as bad as the social issue policies.


Not seeing a lot of rational economic positions coming from the left so its kind of a wash isn't it?
 
2014-06-24 11:35:52 PM  

SphericalTime: He doesn't hate bang gays enough to interfere in their lives and with their rights?  Then he can't be a very good Christian man.


FTFY
 
2014-06-24 11:38:35 PM  
To be fair, the people who voted for them voted for them in part because they oppose these things. The minority view deserves representation too.

That being said, the minority party should advise, negotiate, warn, and vote against things that their constituency wants them to vote against. They should not use procedural tricks to prevent votes from even being taken, nor should they use their power to attempt to derail and shut down the entire government over these things.
 
2014-06-24 11:38:40 PM  
'I'm Not Going To Oppose' Gay Marriage If Voters Want It

Let him finish.

"I'm Not Going To Oppose Gay Marriage If Voters Want It because I want to stay in power and keep getting voted in so I can abuse my power, manipulate the system, and receive boatloads of money from underhanded deals I conduct behind closed doors."

NOW he's being an honest politician.
 
2014-06-24 11:39:35 PM  

gingerjet: TuteTibiImperes: the conservative economic positions would stay, and those are just as bad as the social issue policies.

Not seeing a lot of rational economic positions coming from the left so its kind of a wash isn't it?


There are plenty - raise the minimum wage to increase consumer spending and reduce the taxpayer subsidy to corporate payrolls, invest in the country through more stimulus spending on infrastructure, jobs programs, federal investment in local governments, infusing cash into cash strapped cities, government hiring, etc, there are plenty of options.

Krugman had it right two years ago, the problem is that there's no way to pass the bills necessary to do it while the GOP still has control over any part of Congress.
 
2014-06-24 11:40:19 PM  
I am pretty sure that's the first sane think Ron Johnson has said in his entire life. Good for him.
 
2014-06-24 11:42:51 PM  
Pot? Gay Marriage? Sensible gun control measures? The provisions of the Affordable Care Act if not the act itself?
 
2014-06-24 11:43:03 PM  
He was just handed his political death sentence. Full disclosure, Wisconsin voter. Still can't believe he beat Feingold.
 
2014-06-24 11:45:36 PM  

The5thElement: He was just handed his political death sentence. Full disclosure, Wisconsin voter. Still can't believe he beat Feingold.


I'd kill to see Feingold back in office. In nearly any position.
 
2014-06-24 11:47:17 PM  
Of course, civil rights shouldn't be only allowed if a majority of the population approves of them, but it's still a (tiny) step in the right direction...
 
2014-06-24 11:50:58 PM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: The5thElement: He was just handed his political death sentence. Full disclosure, Wisconsin voter. Still can't believe he beat Feingold.

I'd kill to see Feingold back in office. In nearly any position.


I'm not sure Feingold wants to run another campaign, especially considering he handicaps himself by attempting to prevent outside groups from spending money on his behalf (post-Citizens' United, this is potentially a major problem in terms of electability).  He seems fairly content to be a mini-Jimmy Carter, doing good works in Africa.
 
2014-06-24 11:53:33 PM  
He still thinks it should be handled on a state-by-state basis and that the tyranny of the majority should be in play. So half a point. Still better than most GOPers.
 
2014-06-24 11:58:09 PM  

Mentat: RINO


This.

quatchi: He still thinks it should be handled on a state-by-state basis and that the tyranny of the majority should be in play. So half a point. Still better than most GOPers.


That.

/and the other thing
 
2014-06-24 11:59:13 PM  
It's almost as if his job description contains the word representative in it...
 
2014-06-25 12:00:46 AM  
Because profit, that's why.
 
2014-06-25 12:02:28 AM  

Geotpf: Of course, civil rights shouldn't be only allowed if a majority of the population approves of them, but it's still a (tiny) step in the right direction...


Who decides what civil rights are?
 
2014-06-25 12:02:53 AM  

Geotpf: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: The5thElement: He was just handed his political death sentence. Full disclosure, Wisconsin voter. Still can't believe he beat Feingold.

I'd kill to see Feingold back in office. In nearly any position.

I'm not sure Feingold wants to run another campaign, especially considering he handicaps himself by attempting to prevent outside groups from spending money on his behalf (post-Citizens' United, this is potentially a major problem in terms of electability).  He seems fairly content to be a mini-Jimmy Carter, doing good works in Africa.


FWIW, a friend of mine is in a mid level leadership position in the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. She told me Feingold is a lock to run for his old seat in 2016.
 
2014-06-25 12:05:25 AM  

sendtodave: Geotpf: Of course, civil rights shouldn't be only allowed if a majority of the population approves of them, but it's still a (tiny) step in the right direction...

Who decides what civil rights are?


Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star?
 
2014-06-25 12:07:18 AM  
Since I'm from WI I can comment on this - this is the least derp-tastic thing Ron has ever said.

Ever.

Including kindergarten.
 
2014-06-25 12:15:34 AM  

gingerjet: Not seeing a lot of rational economic positions coming from the left so its kind of a wash isn't it?


Don't start wars you aren't willing to pay for?
Cutting taxes doesn't automatically create revenue?
Regulate the banks so they don't blow up the economy gambling on crazy schemes?
Regulate industry so they don't dump toxic coal ash and fracking fluid into our drinking water?
Pay for infrastructure so bridges don't collapse?
 
2014-06-25 12:19:46 AM  

sendtodave: Geotpf: Of course, civil rights shouldn't be only allowed if a majority of the population approves of them, but it's still a (tiny) step in the right direction...

Who decides what civil rights are?


A unanimity. And until then we have NO civil rights! Because everyone doesn't agree! So we can't have a right that everyone doesn't agree that we all should have!
 
2014-06-25 12:22:45 AM  

Geotpf: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: The5thElement: He was just handed his political death sentence. Full disclosure, Wisconsin voter. Still can't believe he beat Feingold.

I'd kill to see Feingold back in office. In nearly any position.

I'm not sure Feingold wants to run another campaign, especially considering he handicaps himself by attempting to prevent outside groups from spending money on his behalf (post-Citizens' United, this is potentially a major problem in terms of electability).  He seems fairly content to be a mini-Jimmy Carter, doing good works in Africa.


He doesn't mind taking money from labor union lobbyists, though (he even had some in his commercials last election).

That said, he is better than the alternatives and better than the vast majority of congresscritters.
 
2014-06-25 12:25:04 AM  
Two threads about useless Republican Wisconsin "leaders" today. So proud.
 
2014-06-25 12:30:52 AM  

Notabunny: So you have another job lined up, dumbass?


He doesn't need one. The nice thing about being elected to Congress is that you get pretty much your whole salary for life, even though you could have committed every felony in the book. After your term, you can hire on with some Law firm and buy your old buddies still holding office $1400 lunches and take them on tours of the golf courses (and whorehouses) in the Bahamas.

For the bargain-basement price of a $100,000 retainer and $5000 an hour, plus expenses.
 
2014-06-25 12:38:11 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: I hate the teatards we ended up with in 2010 but it's nice to see Ron realizes a losing battle when he sees it I guess. I'm still not voting for him.


Yeah, it seems to be dawning on some of the GOP that this is a losing issue for them.
 
2014-06-25 12:38:29 AM  

Big 900: Geotpf: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: The5thElement: He was just handed his political death sentence. Full disclosure, Wisconsin voter. Still can't believe he beat Feingold.

I'd kill to see Feingold back in office. In nearly any position.

I'm not sure Feingold wants to run another campaign, especially considering he handicaps himself by attempting to prevent outside groups from spending money on his behalf (post-Citizens' United, this is potentially a major problem in terms of electability).  He seems fairly content to be a mini-Jimmy Carter, doing good works in Africa.

FWIW, a friend of mine is in a mid level leadership position in the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. She told me Feingold is a lock to run for his old seat in 2016.


If that's the case, he'll have my vote in a heartbeat. He's one of the few politicians that I honestly believe is looking out (for the most part) for what's best for the people he represents.
 
2014-06-25 12:43:19 AM  

Big 900: FWIW, a friend of mine is in a mid level leadership position in the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. She told me Feingold is a lock to run for his old seat in 2016.


Probably the best news I've read all day.

/Of course I've been mostly reading about flash bangs in baby's cribs and attention whore gun nuts and the like so that's not really saying all that much.

Russ is good as gold. Finest kind.
 
2014-06-25 12:48:16 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: gingerjet: TuteTibiImperes: the conservative economic positions would stay, and those are just as bad as the social issue policies.

Not seeing a lot of rational economic positions coming from the left so its kind of a wash isn't it?

There are plenty - raise the minimum wage to increase consumer spending and reduce the taxpayer subsidy to corporate payrolls, invest in the country through more stimulus spending on infrastructure, jobs programs, federal investment in local governments, infusing cash into cash strapped cities, government hiring, etc, there are plenty of options.

Krugman had it right two years ago, the problem is that there's no way to pass the bills necessary to do it while the GOP still has control over any part of Congress.


If it ain't "tax cuts for rich people" then it ain't "rational"
 
2014-06-25 12:50:11 AM  

sendtodave: Geotpf: Of course, civil rights shouldn't be only allowed if a majority of the population approves of them, but it's still a (tiny) step in the right direction...

Who decides what civil rights are?


You're a reasonably witty person, I guess, so why in hell do you waste your time here saying stupid crap?
 
2014-06-25 01:04:21 AM  

Kittypie070: sendtodave: Geotpf: Of course, civil rights shouldn't be only allowed if a majority of the population approves of them, but it's still a (tiny) step in the right direction...

Who decides what civil rights are?

You're a reasonably witty person, I guess, so why in hell do you waste your time here saying stupid crap?


For the lulz. Why else?
 
2014-06-25 01:45:31 AM  

SeaMan Stainz: It's almost as if his job description contains the word representative in it...


Okay, so do you think an elected representative in the US is there to vote the way the majority of their electorate feels about everything? Should they take a poll before every single vote in Congress? Or are they more like trustees, who should make the best decision for their constituents?

Think about Jan Brewer - she went against her constituents on both the Medicaid expansion AND her veto of the "freedom to discriminate against gay people" bill, because people needed health care and no corporation in their right mind would have moved to Arizona with a freedom to discriminate law - employees who discriminated would have made the whole corporation look bad.

So on those two issues, Jan Brewer went against her electorate, but she was acting in their best interests. Did she do the right thing?
 
2014-06-25 01:47:32 AM  

fusillade762: antidisestablishmentarianism: I hate the teatards we ended up with in 2010 but it's nice to see Ron realizes a losing battle when he sees it I guess. I'm still not voting for him.

Yeah, it seems to be dawning on some of the GOP that this is a losing issue for them.


Nothing is dawning on him. The bottom line is that Ron Johnson absolutely does not give a shiat about social issues. He has exactly one priority: to get the government to stop taking money from people like him and giving it to poor people. That is the beginning, middle and end of what he cares about.
 
2014-06-25 02:07:12 AM  
Lame. It's just another way of saying he believes in "states rights" over "civil rights". Sorry dipshiat, civil rights are not something for voters to decide.

Miss me yet?

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2014-06-25 02:18:09 AM  
First intelligent thing that has come from this guy!
 
2014-06-25 02:45:01 AM  

Notabunny: So you have another job lined up, dumbass?


60+ year old senator?  Pension and social security will take care of him.

The problem he has is that with the majority of the state against him he wouldn't be able to win the election, but he still has to motivate his base to make donations(gay-haters apparently give a lot of money to republicans) and actually get out and vote, especially for him in the primary.

Remember, a number of 'moderate' republicans have lost their primaries to tea-party upstarts.
 
2014-06-25 02:52:27 AM  
How about we quit electing the biggest a-hole in the Home Owner's Association to Congress? That would be a start.

 gingerjet: Not seeing a lot of rational economic positions coming from the left so its kind of a wash isn't it?

Stop watching Fox News and you will see that there's an entire REAL world out there that isn't a product of Roger Ailes' paranoid delusions.

Here's a free bit of advice - if you're not making a six figure salary by spouting right-wing talking points then you are being exploited by someone who is. Stop being exploited and act in your own self interest.
 
2014-06-25 03:11:50 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I have mixed feelings about this.


IF this kind of attitude is genuine (very careful scrutiny given past behaviour), it should be supported to encourage more. Punishing good behaviour is counterproductive (see: Pavlov, Skinner, etc).

Amidst the brinksmanship, dogma, and atavistic gluttony we call "politics", we seem to have forgotten some important words of wisdom:

Better late than never!
 
2014-06-25 03:13:22 AM  
Ehh, as much as I like to see the occaisonal breath of sanity blow across the political landscape - and yes the whole opposition to who other people want to bang thing is 'tarded - you do need to be careful with the whole "It's what the people want!" thing.  Sad fact of the matter is sometimes the people are farking stupid and need to be told "Nope."

/The issue of marriage equality, hell equality in general is NOT one of those times.
//But if you voted for exactly what people wanted all of the time, you'd get into some serious bread and circuses issues (ok, more serious?) PDQ
 
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