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2014-06-24 05:34:58 PM
There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.

Tombstone was clearly the better film of the two Wyatt Earp movies though. Kilmer's Doc Holiday was Heath Ledger's Joker-level of show stealing-ness. And it starred Corporal Hicks and Hudson (of course they both died).
 
2014-06-24 05:48:12 PM

Mugato: There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.


Came in here to say that.  Kubrick was really upset about the release date for Oliver Stone's Platoon when he was making Full Metal Jacket.

There are plenty of others, such as the close release dates of Scott Pilgrim vs. the World and (the remake of) I Spit on Your Grave.
 
2014-06-24 05:50:39 PM
It's easy.  Hollywood has very few original ideas left.
 
2014-06-24 06:44:14 PM

BizarreMan: It's easy.  Hollywood has very few original ideas left.


Well yeah but that in of itself doesn't explain the identical sets of movies coming out at the same time. And there are plenty of new scripts floating around Hollywood. They're just not greenlit.
 
2014-06-24 07:25:48 PM
I'm your Huckeberry.
 
2014-06-24 07:40:28 PM

Nadie_AZ: I'm your Huckeberry.


Chuck E. Cheese's vegan cousin?
 
2014-06-24 07:43:13 PM
Based solely on the awesomeness of Tombstone, I would suggest that God/Fate/Destiny demanded it and thus it's very existence was the impetus for it's own creation...
 
2014-06-24 08:00:42 PM
Tombstone is one of the few movies I'll seek out every few years. Wyatt Earp wasn't too shabby, but once was enough for me.

Hollywood does these movie duels more and more now, but the studios have always competed. I just pay attention and don't usually bother with the inferior movie until it turns up on tv, if nothing else is on.
 
2014-06-24 08:12:23 PM
no.
 
2014-06-24 08:14:06 PM
Tombstone was so much better...and Wyatt Earp was totally forgettable...
 
2014-06-24 08:23:14 PM
Ah Wyatt Earp.  When Costners ego went into full overdrive and gave us a glimpse into what was to come.
 
2014-06-24 08:25:12 PM

Dr.Fey: Mugato: There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.

Came in here to say that.  Kubrick was really upset about the release date for Oliver Stone's Platoon when he was making Full Metal Jacket.

There are plenty of others, such as the close release dates of Scott Pilgrim vs. the World and (the remake of) I Spit on Your Grave.


Yeah, pretty much these. I'll throw in The Matrix and The 13th Floor as a similar example.
 
2014-06-24 08:25:31 PM
I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.
 
2014-06-24 08:26:51 PM
I preferred Wyatt Earp over Tombstone.
 
2014-06-24 08:28:42 PM

Well...bye.


i411.photobucket.com

 
2014-06-24 08:30:19 PM

WTF Indeed: I preferred Wyatt Earp over Tombstone.


You have taste. That's why.
 
2014-06-24 08:30:33 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.


You're not wrong.  Airplane and Caddyshack are close, but there are far more quotable bad-ass lines in this movie than any other I can think of.
 
2014-06-24 08:31:53 PM
Morgan Earp is the tough one he can kill you, bring you back. kill you again and pronounce you dead
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He's dead Jim.
 
2014-06-24 08:31:59 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.


Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man...
 
2014-06-24 08:35:29 PM

Dr.Fey: Mugato: There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.

Came in here to say that.  Kubrick was really upset about the release date for Oliver Stone's Platoon when he was making Full Metal Jacket.


See also: The Abyss, Leviathan and DeepStar Six.
 
2014-06-24 08:37:54 PM

fusillade762: Dr.Fey: Mugato: There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.

Came in here to say that.  Kubrick was really upset about the release date for Oliver Stone's Platoon when he was making Full Metal Jacket.

See also: The Abyss, Leviathan and DeepStar Six.


Titan AE and Treasure Planet were not only similar, they both also helped sink traditional western animation.
 
2014-06-24 08:37:55 PM
Have we figured out what led to Val Kilmer falling off so hard? He went from the potential to be one of the greats to a direct to DVD fat guy, but with glimmers of hope from time to time (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang comes to mind). What actually happened?
 
2014-06-24 08:44:08 PM

peachpicker: PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man...


Well, they are completely different types of films,  altogether.
 
2014-06-24 08:44:13 PM

Mugato: There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.

Tombstone was clearly the better film of the two Wyatt Earp movies though. Kilmer's Doc Holiday was Heath Ledger's Joker-level of show stealing-ness. And it starred Corporal Hicks and Hudson (of course they both died).


C'mon man! It also had Colonel Miles Quaritch!
 
2014-06-24 08:45:29 PM

elvisaintdead: no.


NOO!
 
2014-06-24 08:48:34 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.


Surely you can't be serious.
 
2014-06-24 08:50:06 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Have we figured out what led to Val Kilmer falling off so hard? He went from the potential to be one of the greats to a direct to DVD fat guy, but with glimmers of hope from time to time (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang comes to mind). What actually happened?


He's notorious for being a diva. Which is fine, this is Hollywood after all. But he doesn't put butts in seats. And frankly, no one wants to work with an asshole for its own sake.
 
2014-06-24 08:52:47 PM

BadReligion: fusillade762: Dr.Fey: Mugato: There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.

Came in here to say that.  Kubrick was really upset about the release date for Oliver Stone's Platoon when he was making Full Metal Jacket.

See also: The Abyss, Leviathan and DeepStar Six.

Titan AE and Treasure Planet were not only similar, they both also helped sink traditional western animation.


Carnosaur and Raptor were so similar, they shared the same footage.
 
2014-06-24 08:52:55 PM

Bslim: peachpicker: PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man...

Well, they are completely different types of films,  altogether.


They are completely different types of films.
 
2014-06-24 08:53:51 PM

Bslim: peachpicker: PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man...

Well, they are completely different types of films,  altogether.


They are completely different types of films.
 
2014-06-24 08:53:59 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.


i113.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-24 08:54:31 PM

YodaBlues: PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.

Surely you can't be serious.


He is serious.  And stop calling him Shirley.
 
2014-06-24 08:54:36 PM
Deadwood is far better than either movie.  And anyone who disputes that sucks cock by choice!

/NTTAWWT
//and wow is that a homophobic statement by today's standard
///but it was badass on the show
 
2014-06-24 08:55:04 PM

Dr.Fey: There are plenty of others, such as the close release dates of Scott Pilgrim vs. the World and (the remake of) I Spit on Your Grave.


The hell do those films have to do with each other?

PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.


Nearly every one of Kilmer's lines is memorable. Even stuff that doesn't sound that great written down like "Poor soul, the strain was more than he could bear" is somehow utterly hilarious when delivered by a foppish, cadaverous drunk with a smirk on his face.
 
2014-06-24 08:55:27 PM

Dr.Fey: Mugato: There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.

Came in here to say that.  Kubrick was really upset about the release date for Oliver Stone's Platoon when he was making Full Metal Jacket.

There are plenty of others, such as the close release dates of Scott Pilgrim vs. the World and (the remake of) I Spit on Your Grave.


I understand similar films coming out within weeks/months of each other, but what does Scott Pilgrim have to do with the remake of I Spit on Your Grave?
 
2014-06-24 08:55:27 PM

Galileo's Daughter: Bslim: peachpicker: PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man...

Well, they are completely different types of films,  altogether.

They are completely different types of films.


They are completely different types of films.
 
2014-06-24 08:55:37 PM

Bslim: peachpicker: PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man...

Well, they are completely different types of films,  altogether.


Where all the white films at?
 
2014-06-24 08:57:44 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.


That would be Casablanca. The first time I watched that movie I was shocked, SHOCKED at how much of the dialogue I had already heard countless times in my life.
 
2014-06-24 08:58:20 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.


Forest Gump would like to have a word.
 
2014-06-24 08:58:50 PM

Mugato: BizarreMan: It's easy.  Hollywood has very few original ideas left.

Well yeah but that in of itself doesn't explain the identical sets of movies coming out at the same time. And there are plenty of new scripts floating around Hollywood. They're just not greenlit.


That's because Hollywood is: (1) a small community, (2) very incestuous, and (3) risk-averse.

Starting with "small" (and moving quickly to "incestuous"), the fact is that studios generally know what projects other studios are developing. Employees and executives are constantly moving from studio to studio, bringing information about who is working on what, and even without that, writers and agents have an interest in building buzz for their projects by insisting that "Studio X is already interested in it, so if you want it, you'll have to offer me more." Or it may be that Studio Y contacts special effects house A, who lets slip that they've already been retained by Studio X to work on a particular kind of movie. Simply put, if Studio X is working on a big Western or a volcano pic, or a cartoon about bugs, Studios Y and Z know that. And there are always enough scripts floating around that if Y and Z hear that X is doing an asteroid movie, they can find two other asteroid scripts out there.

Which gets to the "risk-averse" part: if Studios Y and Z know that Studio X is working on a big Western, they'll think that Studio X must have some market research showing that Westerns are a good potential market. If Studio X is right and Studio Y does nothing, the executives at Studio Y might get fired for not having that same foresight. And if Studio X turns out to be wrong, execs at Studio Y can at least point to X and say "see, we weren't the only ones to make a bad bet on this. Blame the fickle public." And it may even be that the market for a Western really wasn't there, but between X and Y's combined promotional efforts, they created a market for one or both of their movies.
 
2014-06-24 08:59:10 PM

recoil47: PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.

You're not wrong.  Airplane and Caddyshack are close, but there are far more quotable bad-ass lines in this movie than any other I can think of.


Goodfellas
 
2014-06-24 09:00:22 PM

Mugato: There are a lot dueling productions like that. Volcano/Dante's Peak, Armageddon/Deep Impact, Olympus Has Fallen/White House Down, Mission to Mars/Red Planet, two animated bug movies came out at the same time, just off the top of my head. An idea comes out, studios scramble to make theirs first or better, happens all the time.

Tombstone was clearly the better film of the two Wyatt Earp movies though. Kilmer's Doc Holiday was Heath Ledger's Joker-level of show stealing-ness. And it starred Corporal Hicks and Hudson (of course they both died).



I wish I could remember where I first learned this, but most movies like the above are very similar circumstances to TFA. Someone involved with a movie has a disagreement with those in charge, goes off, and makes their own based on the same idea. Often times there's lawsuits involved somewhere along the way. (Or at least threat of lawsuit designed to delay production schedules).

Very occasionally you just happen to have 2 similar ideas come out at the same time, or someone steals an idea they like and try to make it "better", but most of the time it's someone involved with the "original" saying "screw you guys, I'm taking this elsewhere", and a year and a half later, you have 2 competing movies.
 
2014-06-24 09:01:07 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Have we figured out what led to Val Kilmer falling off so hard? He went from the potential to be one of the greats to a direct to DVD fat guy, but with glimmers of hope from time to time (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang comes to mind). What actually happened?


He forgot the old adage "The toes you step on today may be attached to the asses you have to kiss tomorrow". When he was big he behaved like a Diva, and since he was such a jerk no-one wanted to help resurrect his career when he had a couple of down movies.
 
2014-06-24 09:02:39 PM

YodaBlues: PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.

Surely you can't be serious.


I am sure. And don't call me serious. And I have two guns, one for each of you.
 
2014-06-24 09:06:00 PM
Wyatt Earp was the exact moment where Costner went from just being in films that he thought were important to thinking his being important would make them that much more important.  He literally hasn't been the same since.

However, you can say what you want about it, but let's face it, there is no way anyone can truly say that  Tombstone is not the more badass movie of the two.  Russell and Kilmer just took it to another level, to the point that even having Sam Elliott in a Western was practically an afterthought.  All against Powers Boothe, a crazy-as-fark Michael Biehn and even Stephen Lang and Thomas Haden Church in pretty good roles (even if Church gets his ass handed to him).

\and yes, soooo very quotable, even down to inane stuff like Frederic Farking Chopin
 
2014-06-24 09:08:49 PM

whistlerdash: but most of the time it's someone involved with the "original" saying "screw you guys, I'm taking this elsewhere", and a year and a half later, you have 2 competing movies.


Maybe. It just seems to happen too many times for that specific type of situation to to be the norm.
 
2014-06-24 09:09:29 PM
So the correct answer is.... because Costner is a dick.

I'm ok with this..
 
2014-06-24 09:10:17 PM

slayer199: Tombstone was so much better...and Wyatt Earp was totally forgettable...


This.

/YOU TELL 'EM I'M COMIN'~!
//AND HELL'S COMIN' WITH ME, YA HEAR?
///HELL'S COMIN' WITH ME~!
 
2014-06-24 09:13:30 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: I stand by my assertion that Tombstone is the single most quotable movie ever made.


Sheiiiiiiiiiit, now THAT's a challenge~!

/poor soul, you were just too high strung...
 
2014-06-24 09:14:22 PM

Johnny Savage: WTF Indeed: I preferred Wyatt Earp over Tombstone.

You have taste. That's why.


Yeah...BAD taste.
 
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