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(Reason Magazine)   Have you ever asked yourself, "Self, if every state were a country, where would it rank with the rest of world in incarceration rates?" here's your answer   (reason.com) divider line 181
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2014-06-24 02:27:08 PM  
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2014-06-24 02:28:24 PM  
9 of the top ten are in the south and all of them are traditionally red states.
 
2014-06-24 02:31:19 PM  
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2014-06-24 02:32:31 PM  
WE'RE NUMBER ONE! SUCK IT, TEXAS!
 
2014-06-24 02:33:58 PM  

Nabb1: WE'RE NUMBER ONE! SUCK IT, TEXAS!


Yeah, what's going on with that? Y'all a bunch of criminals or what?
 
2014-06-24 02:34:30 PM  
A lot of those Central African countries don't have prison systems or even functional governments so they shouldn't really be counted. Also, shouldn't Australia be near 100%?
 
2014-06-24 02:38:32 PM  
Boy, I should move my family to Comoros!
 
2014-06-24 02:38:37 PM  

Nabb1: WE'RE NUMBER ONE! SUCK IT, TEXAS!


Well, Texas is pretty good about getting people out of prison in a manner of speaking...
 
2014-06-24 02:42:20 PM  
I'm glad to see Reason reporting this issue as well, meaning (hopefully) that both sides have decided it's a huge, festering problem that needs a better solution.
 
2014-06-24 02:45:34 PM  

make me some tea: I'm glad to see Reason reporting this issue as well, meaning (hopefully) that both sides have decided it's a huge, festering problem that needs a better solution.


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2014-06-24 02:50:42 PM  

make me some tea: I'm glad to see Reason reporting this issue as well, meaning (hopefully) that both sides have decided it's a huge, festering problem that needs a better solution.


I'm actually encouraged that I agree with Reason (an extreme rarity) that the incarceration rate in the United States is quite troubling.

At least we can agree on what the issue is.

I feel, however, Reason and I have vastly different solutions.
 
2014-06-24 02:50:43 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: shouldn't Australia be near 100%?


haha
 
2014-06-24 02:51:36 PM  

Rev.K: make me some tea: I'm glad to see Reason reporting this issue as well, meaning (hopefully) that both sides have decided it's a huge, festering problem that needs a better solution.

I'm actually encouraged that I agree with Reason (an extreme rarity) that the incarceration rate in the United States is quite troubling.

At least we can agree on what the issue is.

I feel, however, Reason and I have vastly different solutions.


You don't think tax cuts and deregulation are the answers?

Idiot.
 
2014-06-24 02:53:18 PM  
This is a good thing. Other countries just let criminals get away with it.
 
2014-06-24 02:54:11 PM  

dr_blasto: You don't think tax cuts and deregulation are the answers?

Idiot.


lol
 
2014-06-24 02:54:28 PM  

James!: Nabb1: WE'RE NUMBER ONE! SUCK IT, TEXAS!

Yeah, what's going on with that? Y'all a bunch of criminals or what?


Politics and money. Most prisons in the state are run by local Sheriffs who get paid per prisoner per day. The solution, though, might be a bit more complex. Sentence reduction would help, but many of our prisoners are in fact violent offenders, so real sentencing reform could be very tricky.

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2014-06-24 02:55:51 PM  
www.prisonpolicy.org

This is insane.
 
2014-06-24 02:57:07 PM  
Yeah, but look how well it's working. Things have never been better. The streets are safe. Old people strut confidently in the darkest alleys. And the weak and nerdy are admired for their computer-programming abilities. So, like us, let your children run wild and free! 'Cos as the old saying goes, "let your children run wild and free".
 
2014-06-24 02:57:29 PM  

serial_crusher: This is a good thing. Other countries just let criminals get away with it.


get away with what? Walking around with a bag of weed in their pocket or something?
 
2014-06-24 02:57:33 PM  

Nabb1: Most prisons in the state are run by local Sheriffs who get paid per prisoner per day.


Hmmm.....


Nabb1: The solution, though, might be a bit more complex.



Hmmm.....I think I have a fairly easy fix that might do some real good.
 
2014-06-24 02:58:23 PM  

dr_blasto: Rev.K: make me some tea: I'm glad to see Reason reporting this issue as well, meaning (hopefully) that both sides have decided it's a huge, festering problem that needs a better solution.

I'm actually encouraged that I agree with Reason (an extreme rarity) that the incarceration rate in the United States is quite troubling.

At least we can agree on what the issue is.

I feel, however, Reason and I have vastly different solutions.

You don't think tax cuts and deregulation are the answers?

Idiot.


Impeach Obama, and all this goes away.
 
2014-06-24 02:59:23 PM  

dr_blasto: serial_crusher: This is a good thing. Other countries just let criminals get away with it.

get away with what? Walking around with a bag of weed in their pocket or something?


It'd be helpful to see a metric on how many of those incarcerated are in for nonviolent drug offenses.
 
2014-06-24 03:02:22 PM  

Rev.K: Nabb1: Most prisons in the state are run by local Sheriffs who get paid per prisoner per day.

Hmmm.....


Nabb1: The solution, though, might be a bit more complex.


Hmmm.....I think I have a fairly easy fix that might do some real good.


Well, sure, that would help. A lot. It's not like the state hasn't looked into it, though. The problem is that we still have a very high violent crime rate in New Orleans and to a certain extent Baton Rouge. Nobody in this state - Republican or Democrat - thinks our incarceration rate is acceptable. The problem is we also have a lot of criminals. Reforming the prison system will only go so far because we still need somewhere to put them. At least in Orleans Parish, the current DA wants to send simple possession of marijuana charges to city court - like a civil citation or a traffic ticket. In other words - no jail time.
 
2014-06-24 03:03:54 PM  

Nabb1: Rev.K: Nabb1: Most prisons in the state are run by local Sheriffs who get paid per prisoner per day.

Hmmm.....


Nabb1: The solution, though, might be a bit more complex.


Hmmm.....I think I have a fairly easy fix that might do some real good.

Well, sure, that would help. A lot. It's not like the state hasn't looked into it, though. The problem is that we still have a very high violent crime rate in New Orleans and to a certain extent Baton Rouge. Nobody in this state - Republican or Democrat - thinks our incarceration rate is acceptable. The problem is we also have a lot of criminals. Reforming the prison system will only go so far because we still need somewhere to put them. At least in Orleans Parish, the current DA wants to send simple possession of marijuana charges to city court - like a civil citation or a traffic ticket. In other words - no jail time.


It's all those goddamn vampires.
 
2014-06-24 03:06:15 PM  

Nabb1: At least in Orleans Parish, the current DA wants to send simple possession of marijuana charges to city court - like a civil citation or a traffic ticket. In other words - no jail time.


That seems reasonable to me.
 
2014-06-24 03:07:56 PM  

make me some tea: dr_blasto: serial_crusher: This is a good thing. Other countries just let criminals get away with it.

get away with what? Walking around with a bag of weed in their pocket or something?

It'd be helpful to see a metric on how many of those incarcerated are in for nonviolent drug offenses.


Right. Take away those, plus the violent offenses that are the direct result of the drug trade, and we'd probably look like a civilized country.

The War on Drugs has been a fantastic boon for the private prison industry. Time to end prohibition, again.
 
2014-06-24 03:10:01 PM  

make me some tea: dr_blasto: serial_crusher: This is a good thing. Other countries just let criminals get away with it.

get away with what? Walking around with a bag of weed in their pocket or something?

It'd be helpful to see a metric on how many of those incarcerated are in for nonviolent drug offenses.


http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p08.pdf

Appendix 15 has year end 2006 data. I'm sure they have the more recent things on that site.

The US is still a violent nation...
 
2014-06-24 03:10:33 PM  

make me some tea: dr_blasto: serial_crusher: This is a good thing. Other countries just let criminals get away with it.

get away with what? Walking around with a bag of weed in their pocket or something?

It'd be helpful to see a metric on how many of those incarcerated are in for nonviolent drug offenses.


I looked, but I'm too lazy to invest time in validating numbers, but some 54% of prisoners were listed as violent offenders. 7% or so of people incarcerated were for violent crimes.

So, violent people tend to get longer sentences, but they make up the small minority of people sentenced at any given time. But, given my disdain for research, those numbers could be buggered. Recividism was very high. I'm not certain if that is because we spend zero effort on reforming convicts as opposed to punishment or if it is because sentences are so long that there's little hope to normalize with society if you've spent a decade in a prison for robbing a liquor store when you were 17. I mean, who wants to hire a 27-year-old violent felon with zero job skills and experience?
 
2014-06-24 03:14:31 PM  

James!: It's all those goddamn vampires.


I'm working on it.
 
2014-06-24 03:17:52 PM  
To be fair, there are entirely too many assholes in the Democratic Republic of Congo who should be in prison but aren't.
 
2014-06-24 03:28:15 PM  
I wonder if China's numbers include political dissidents.
 
2014-06-24 03:30:57 PM  

Nabb1: I wonder if China's numbers include political dissidents.


Doubt it. Don't they usually just kill them?
 
2014-06-24 03:32:57 PM  

dr_blasto: Nabb1: I wonder if China's numbers include political dissidents.

Doubt it. Don't they usually just kill them?


Have you ever seen the Bodies exhibit that tours the country occasionally?  It's Chinese prisoners who "volunteered" their bodies to science.
 
2014-06-24 04:33:57 PM  

James!: dr_blasto: Nabb1: I wonder if China's numbers include political dissidents.

Doubt it. Don't they usually just kill them?

Have you ever seen the Bodies exhibit that tours the country occasionally?  It's Chinese prisoners who "volunteered" their bodies to science.


Those were Chinese prisoners? I remember that coming through to Denver somewhat recently.
 
2014-06-24 04:40:18 PM  

dr_blasto: James!: dr_blasto: Nabb1: I wonder if China's numbers include political dissidents.

Doubt it. Don't they usually just kill them?

Have you ever seen the Bodies exhibit that tours the country occasionally?  It's Chinese prisoners who "volunteered" their bodies to science.

Those were Chinese prisoners? I remember that coming through to Denver somewhat recently.


Yes, they were. That's why I didn't go when I had the chance some years ago. But they totes volunteered. Promise.
 
2014-06-24 05:00:17 PM  

Nabb1: dr_blasto: James!: dr_blasto: Nabb1: I wonder if China's numbers include political dissidents.

Doubt it. Don't they usually just kill them?

Have you ever seen the Bodies exhibit that tours the country occasionally?  It's Chinese prisoners who "volunteered" their bodies to science.

Those were Chinese prisoners? I remember that coming through to Denver somewhat recently.

Yes, they were. That's why I didn't go when I had the chance some years ago. But they totes volunteered. Promise.


Gah.

It sounded overly morbid without knowing that.
 
2014-06-24 05:05:16 PM  

violentsalvation: [www.prisonpolicy.org image 740x475]

This is insane.


Thank Ronnie Rayguns and the for profit prison system.

Land of the free, patriot!
 
2014-06-24 05:06:38 PM  

James!: 9 of the top ten are in the south and all of them are traditionally red states.


true however 9/10 of those incarcerated in those red states are of the blue persuasion if you know what I mean.. and I think you do..
 
2014-06-24 05:08:43 PM  

James!: all of them are traditionally red states.


50% +1
 
2014-06-24 05:09:19 PM  

MrBallou: make me some tea: dr_blasto: serial_crusher: This is a good thing. Other countries just let criminals get away with it.

get away with what? Walking around with a bag of weed in their pocket or something?

It'd be helpful to see a metric on how many of those incarcerated are in for nonviolent drug offenses.

Right. Take away those, plus the violent offenses that are the direct result of the drug trade, and we'd probably look like a civilized country.

The War on Drugs has been a fantastic boon for the private prison industry. Time to end prohibition, again.


Nonsense!! Prohibition works wonders, and we have all the history in the known world to back it up. As far back as Adam and Eve even!

\sarcasm
 
2014-06-24 05:10:17 PM  
First place turns out to go to Louisiana, which locks up 1,341 people for every 100,000 residents.

And Bobby Jindal aims to keep them in first place.

Bobby Jindal vetoes bill aimed at reducing Louisiana's prison population
 
2014-06-24 05:11:01 PM  

James!: dr_blasto: Nabb1: I wonder if China's numbers include political dissidents.

Doubt it. Don't they usually just kill them?

Have you ever seen the Bodies exhibit that tours the country occasionally?  It's Chinese prisoners who "volunteered" their bodies to science.


Well, in fairness, the prisoners were done using them anyway. Probably.
 
2014-06-24 05:11:19 PM  
Well as long as the for profit prison exists I really dont see our rate changing much.
 
2014-06-24 05:12:12 PM  
Want to really know why the US incarceration rate is so much higher? because unlike most other countries where sending someone to prison is for it's intended purpose, in the US it's actually a business with a B ... a highly capitalistic for profit business ran not too much different than any other major corporations except in this case the humans and the time they served are the goods and the products.
 
2014-06-24 05:13:09 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: First place turns out to go to Louisiana, which locks up 1,341 people for every 100,000 residents.

And Bobby Jindal aims to keep them in first place.

Bobby Jindal vetoes bill aimed at reducing Louisiana's prison population


He just needs to resign and devote himself full time to campaigning for the GOP nomination he won't be getting already. Jesus.
 
2014-06-24 05:13:37 PM  
Hey fellow Pennsylvians - let's get Tom Wolf in as Governor in November so that we can drop down on this list, mmkay?

kthanksbye

/thanks, InterruptingQuirk
//the link's link wouldn't load on my phone
 
2014-06-24 05:16:00 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: First place turns out to go to Louisiana, which locks up 1,341 people for every 100,000 residents.

And Bobby Jindal aims to keep them in first place.

Bobby Jindal vetoes bill aimed at reducing Louisiana's prison population


How dare someone not want to let VIOLENT OFFENDERS out early!

Try that bill with non-violent offenders and see how it turns out.
 
2014-06-24 05:16:13 PM  

OregonVet: Boy, I should move my family to Comoros!


Can't see content on the mobile, but is there a country that just incarcerates children under 15? It would free up a lot of time with the missus, if you know what I mean.

/I think you do
 
2014-06-24 05:17:32 PM  
Hey, that just means that more Americans are getting three squares a day without relying on commie welfare like they do in France or the U.K.
 
2014-06-24 05:18:20 PM  

James!: 9 of the top ten are in the south and all of them are traditionally red states.


Good thing you jumped on pointing that out! Points for your team!
 
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