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(The Local)   More proof that failed solar power only works in deserts or near equator as Germany only gets 50% of its power from solar   (thelocal.de) divider line 286
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2014-06-24 01:40:25 PM
But, but do they have rich oil families?
Huh? Well, do they?

'Cause here in America, we have some of the richest asshat Familial Dynasties in the world, all from raping planet and populace for OIL!
Go USA USA!
 
2014-06-24 02:03:31 PM
but we have all this coal and it just burns so easily!  and all of this natural gas that's coming right out of the ground!!!  so a few people get black lung or die in a mine collapse, and maybe one or two houses end up with flammable tap water.
 
2014-06-24 02:21:34 PM
They would power their country with the largest oven in the solar system.
 
2014-06-24 02:24:01 PM
Meanwhile Tesla dealerships are banned in Texas beause reasons.
 
2014-06-24 02:24:48 PM

Devo: Meanwhile Tesla dealerships are banned in Texas beause reasons.


Wait, seriously?  That's a thing that happened?

WTF, America?
 
2014-06-24 02:24:58 PM
That's impressive -- especially given the long winter nights that far north, when they can't possibly be generating any solar power.
 
2014-06-24 02:25:09 PM
www.thelocal.de


.... I'm sorry what were you saying again?
 
2014-06-24 02:25:12 PM
Solar powered cars are next. You watch.
 
2014-06-24 02:25:35 PM
Just setting themselves up for a devastatingly huge solar spill in the near future.  Once that stuff gets out, good luck cleaning it all up - and it's pure radiation, too.
 
2014-06-24 02:25:46 PM
Only 50%? ONLY!!?

That sounds pretty farking good to me!
 
2014-06-24 02:26:09 PM
When people collect solar energy or collect rainwater, the government does not collect taxes.

That's why solar energy is frowned upon.

You're not paying for it.  It's unearned wealth.
 
2014-06-24 02:26:57 PM

special20: Solar powered cars are next. You watch.


Yeah, but they'll engineer it like the Prius.
//Toyota, you were so close to going the next step.
 
2014-06-24 02:27:05 PM

Phoenix87ta: Devo: Meanwhile Tesla dealerships are banned in Texas beause reasons.

Wait, seriously?  That's a thing that happened?

WTF, America?


And Massachusetts, if memory serves, and a few other states.

Tesla runs its own dealerships, rather than outsourcing sales & service to independent dealers.  That violates laws in some states that were set up to enshrine the "dealership" model in state law.
 
2014-06-24 02:27:28 PM
Oh yeah? Well the international space station gets 0% of it's power from the sun! Checkmate Libtardso!
 
2014-06-24 02:27:30 PM
I see submitter failed to note how much Germany spends to subsidize it. Should we look at Spains green energy while we are at it?
 
2014-06-24 02:27:41 PM
Don't talk about gas with Germans.
 
2014-06-24 02:27:46 PM

Phoenix87ta: Devo: Meanwhile Tesla dealerships are banned in Texas beause reasons.

Wait, seriously?  That's a thing that happened?

WTF, America?


Sort of.  Direct sales from manufacturers aren't allowed I think, but Tesla has three "galleries" in the state already and Perry was trying to lure the battery plant to Texas like two weeks ago, but there are over 2,000 Teslas in Texas and a couple in the parking lot at my work.

I'd totally get solar panels for my house if they were worth it, but despite what one Fark poster will tell us, right now it's not.  I ran the numbers six months ago.
 
2014-06-24 02:27:54 PM
"Analysis from the Fraunhofer ISE research institute showed solar panels in Germany generated a record 24.24 GW of electricity between 1pm and 2pm on Friday, June 6th

And on Monday June 9th, which was a national holiday, solar power production peaked at 23.1 GW, which equalled 50.6 percent of total electricity demand - setting another milestone.
The week was unusually hot with highs of 37C and Rothacher put the record down to the warm weather and the fact it was a public holiday.
But he added: "I think we could break a new record every two to three months now. We are installing more and more PVs [solar panels]."

My Wrangler goes 115 miles and hour.  That's more than half as fast as a Veyron.....almost there... maybe by late summer I'll be driving the fastest car in the world


Any idea of how many Liberals will believe that half of ALL German power is from solar?
 
2014-06-24 02:28:12 PM

Phoenix87ta: Devo: Meanwhile Tesla dealerships are banned in Texas beause reasons.

Wait, seriously?  That's a thing that happened?

WTF, America?


Some states have shiatty laws about manufacturers not being allowed to sell directly to retail, and that cars must be sold via a dealership.

You know, Texas. land of small government, and freedoms.
 
2014-06-24 02:28:29 PM

snocone: But, but do they have rich oil families?
Huh? Well, do they?

'Cause here in America, we have some of the richest asshat Familial Dynasties in the world, all from raping planet and populace for OIL!
Go USA USA!


And a do they have a social support system shunning scientific research and development in favor of supporting layabouts?
 
2014-06-24 02:28:34 PM

snocone: But, but do they have rich oil families?
Huh? Well, do they?

'Cause here in America, we have some of the richest asshat Familial Dynasties in the world, all from raping planet and populace for OIL!
Go USA USA!


The liberal icon Steyer made his money off australian coal. Why isnt he attacked by your ilk?
 
2014-06-24 02:28:37 PM
Hate to burst your bubble, smugmitter, but that was over 50% of their needs for 1 hour of one day in the middle of summer.

Yes, solar is good, but it is still much gooder in Phoenix than it is in Germany.

/flies in/out of PHX regularly.
/Why the hell is that moonscape not littered with solar farms?
 
2014-06-24 02:28:58 PM
greenzu.com
 
2014-06-24 02:29:17 PM
Is this the same Germany that's putting a massive strain on the electric grids of neighboring countries when they inevitably tap them to balance out the dips and surpluses of their wind and solar power?
 
2014-06-24 02:29:44 PM

AxL sANe: Just setting themselves up for a devastatingly huge solar spill in the near future.  Once that stuff gets out, good luck cleaning it all up - and it's pure radiation, too.


Is this where we plead ignorance on the pollution costs for manufacturing of solar panels?
 
2014-06-24 02:30:04 PM
FTA:  solar panels in Germany generated a record 24.24 GW of electricity between 1pm and 2pm on Friday, June 6th.

That's a pretty small time frame; I assume Germany doesn't need power the other 8764 hours of the year?

Quote:
From now on, every new solar system that is installed in Germany increases the need for electricity storage solutions.

This.  Basically individual solar installations are producing brief excess  that is getting wasted without storage capacity.   How is Germany going to fund/obtain/maintain this quantity of batteries?
 
2014-06-24 02:31:33 PM

JesseL: Is this the same Germany that's putting a massive strain on the electric grids of neighboring countries when they inevitably tap them to balance out the dips and surpluses of their wind and solar power?


Probably not, because the verb putting implies the present and your fictional hypothetical assertion of inevitability is in the future.
 
2014-06-24 02:31:42 PM

CruJones: I'd totally get solar panels for my house if they were worth it, but despite what one Fark poster will tell us, right now it's not. I ran the numbers six months ago.


I'd be willing to assume that your 'analysis' was full of bad assumptions and holes.

Can you show us your analysis?
 
2014-06-24 02:31:44 PM
I prefer this idea:

http://www.iter.org/

...i.e., make your own sun -- then you don't need to worry about clouds or seasons.
 
2014-06-24 02:31:46 PM
Solar still comes down to storage when the cells are not producing. you still need the infrastructure to fully power stuff overnight.

/would love to have cells on top of my condo giving me a free 10,000 of cooling in the middle of July.
 
2014-06-24 02:31:52 PM

doublesecretprobation: but we have all this coal and it just burns so easily!  and all of this natural gas that's coming right out of the ground!!!  so a few people get black lung or die in a mine collapse, and maybe one or two houses end up with flammable tap water.


Flammable Tap Water would be a good band name.
 
2014-06-24 02:32:00 PM

bonobo73: Basically individual solar installations are producing brief excess  that is getting wasted without storage capacity.


On its way.

Link
 
2014-06-24 02:32:00 PM
You know who else was in to Solar Power??

d.ibtimes.co.uk

/works better than ovens.
 
2014-06-24 02:33:57 PM

MyRandomName: AxL sANe: Just setting themselves up for a devastatingly huge solar spill in the near future.  Once that stuff gets out, good luck cleaning it all up - and it's pure radiation, too.

Is this where we plead ignorance on the pollution costs for manufacturing of solar panels?


As long as we also don't mention batteries, which are often part of the infrastructure of off grid dreams.
 
2014-06-24 02:34:10 PM
That's 50% they don't have to worry about
 
2014-06-24 02:35:05 PM

bonobo73: That's a pretty small time frame; I assume Germany doesn't need power the other 8764 hours of the year?


Well duh, there is obviously no sun to generate any power in those other hours.

bonobo73: Basically individual solar installations are producing brief excess  that is getting wasted without storage capacity.   How is Germany going to fund/obtain/maintain this quantity of batteries?


They export it during peak generation time.

It's not perfect yet, but they are making pretty good strides with a limited system.  Of course right wingers just oppose any kind of potential for scientific progress because... who knows.. thanks Obama.
 
2014-06-24 02:35:10 PM

studebaker hoch: When people collect solar energy or collect rainwater, the government does not collect taxes.

That's why solar energy is frowned upon.

You're not paying for it.  It's unearned wealth.


Don't get me started.  I wanted to put in a wind turbine, but the power company only pays you 25% per kWh for what you generate compared to what they charge.  Some sort of B.S. about them having to pay for infrastructure.  My turbine wouldn't be cheap, and nobody is subsidizing my turbine.
 
2014-06-24 02:35:18 PM

bonobo73: Basically individual solar installations are producing brief excess  that is getting wasted without storage capacity.   How is Germany going to fund/obtain/maintain this quantity of batteries?


clearly they should scrap this entire failure of a socialist pipe dream and go back to fossil fuels/nuclear.
 
2014-06-24 02:36:27 PM
Wait until the Germans find out that it is dark at night.  They're so screwed.
 
2014-06-24 02:36:28 PM
The other 50% coming from some kind of ovens?
 
2014-06-24 02:36:56 PM

jshine: Phoenix87ta: Devo: Meanwhile Tesla dealerships are banned in Texas beause reasons.

Wait, seriously?  That's a thing that happened?

WTF, America?

And Massachusetts, if memory serves, and a few other states.

Tesla runs its own dealerships, rather than outsourcing sales & service to independent dealers.  That violates laws in some states that were set up to enshrine the "dealership" model in state law.


Actually, dealership laws exist in various forms in all 50 states.  The idea is to give jobs to local people in sales and maintenance by adding overhead (dealer markup) to the customer price.  The economically-ideal transaction for buying a car would be directly between OEM and customer.  Dealers are middlemen who only exist because laws say they have to.

I think NJ passed some kind of special dispensation for Tesla not to need dealers, but I'm interested in the long-term consequences.  It's going to be really hard to justify "punishing" traditional OEMs and their customers with a legally-mandated dealer markup while Tesla can essentially sell at wholesale.  I'm hoping that all of this leads to the destruction of the dealer model, and that cars will eventually be able to be purchased directly through OEMs' websites and/or "showrooms."
 
2014-06-24 02:37:53 PM

lilplatinum: JesseL: Is this the same Germany that's putting a massive strain on the electric grids of neighboring countries when they inevitably tap them to balance out the dips and surpluses of their wind and solar power?

Probably not, because the verb putting implies the present and your fictional hypothetical assertion of inevitability is in the future.


http://www.dw.de/czech-republic-germany-the-czech-republic-on-the-ve rg e-of-a-blackout/a-16504511
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/12/us-austria-energy-germany- id USBREA1B0ZL20140212
http://www.kcet.org/shows/european_journal/european-journal-143.html
http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/germanys-green-energy -d estabilizing-electric-grids/
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/germanys-green-ener gy -destabilizing-electric-grids
 
2014-06-24 02:38:00 PM
Suck it, dinos.
 
2014-06-24 02:38:20 PM
To be fair, Germany also has strong unions and socialized medicine. So there's no way solar would work here.
 
2014-06-24 02:38:28 PM

Phoenix87ta: Devo: Meanwhile Tesla dealerships are banned in Texas beause reasons.

Wait, seriously?  That's a thing that happened?

WTF, America?


Most manufacturers are banned from direct sales in most states.

It's mostly protectionism for local dealers, but also a way of ensuring manufacturers have to provide maintenance on a local level.

Much like Musk didn't want Paypal treated like a real bank, he doesn't want Tesla treated like a real car manufacturer.
 
2014-06-24 02:38:51 PM

CruJones: I'd totally get solar panels for my house if they were worth it, but despite what one Fark poster will tell us, right now it's not.  I ran the numbers six months ago.


I run them every year.  Solar is affordable but the farking inverter isn't.
 
2014-06-24 02:39:42 PM
50%...for one hour...in the middle of the afternoon...in June...on a day with perfect clear weather.
 
2014-06-24 02:39:49 PM
Nucear power is the best source of electric energy production for the civilized world. Cute toys like solar and windgGeneration might be feel good alternatives, but we need power when we want it, not when the elements cooperate.
 
2014-06-24 02:39:49 PM

MyRandomName: I see submitter failed to note how much Germany spends to subsidize it. Should we look at Spains green energy while we are at it?


Nope, just carry on subsidizing the oil companies.
 
2014-06-24 02:39:59 PM

sobriquet by any other name: Smackledorfer: bonobo73: FTA:  solar panels in Germany generated a record 24.24 GW of electricity between 1pm and 2pm on Friday, June 6th.

That's a pretty small time frame; I assume Germany doesn't need power the other 8764 hours of the year?

Quote:
From now on, every new solar system that is installed in Germany increases the need for electricity storage solutions.

This.  Basically individual solar installations are producing brief excess  that is getting wasted without storage capacity.   How is Germany going to fund/obtain/maintain this quantity of batteries?

You are as dumb as a monkey.

Seriously. Who would use batteries when you can use that power to elevate water and recoup the energy on the cheap? Nevermind molten salt, etc.

batteries?


And am I mistaken that NG turbine generators can be turned of/on quickly to accomodate short-term power needs?
 
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