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2014-06-24 04:23:27 PM
That's a pretty wide range. I'll open the bidding at $250 though.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 04:26:59 PM
That picture of an old, smashed guitar of Kurt Cobain's was intriguing.  It looked like a Mosrite, I think, but it also appeared to have a Fender Jazzmaster/Jaguar tremolo.  I have never seen such a trem unit on a guitar other than a Fender.
 
2014-06-24 05:26:09 PM

433: That picture of an old, smashed guitar of Kurt Cobain's was intriguing.  It looked like a Mosrite, I think, but it also appeared to have a Fender Jazzmaster/Jaguar tremolo.  I have never seen such a trem unit on a guitar other than a Fender.


It's a Univox. Sure does look like a Mosrite though, which is probably what Univox was copying.

Partial Sothebys auction results.
 
2014-06-24 06:16:49 PM

433: That picture of an old, smashed guitar of Kurt Cobain's was intriguing.  It looked like a Mosrite, I think, but it also appeared to have a Fender Jazzmaster/Jaguar tremolo.  I have never seen such a trem unit on a guitar other than a Fender.


It is unusual. I found a picture of this one, but it's the only Mosrite I've seen like that, bit it could be a modification.

www.myrareguitars.com


By the way, as per my earlier link, lot 111, the Elvis peacock jump suit sold for $245,000.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 07:30:19 PM

TommyymmoT: It is unusual. I found a picture of this one, but it's the only Mosrite I've seen like that, bit it could be a modification.


Here is a link to a forum where a poster was asking questions about a Univox Hi-Flyer that had a Jazzmaster style trem unit.  I didn't know that an imitation was ever made, but apparently, they're out there.  They aren't exact copies - they lack the trem lock, making them unreliable in regard to tuning.  Other differences are present, too.

That's a tough trem unit to try and copy.
 
2014-06-24 08:13:52 PM
Is this part of the Historically Stained Outfits Auction?

law2.umkc.edu

/other suggestions, Farkers?
 
2014-06-24 08:14:18 PM

TommyymmoT: 433: That picture of an old, smashed guitar of Kurt Cobain's was intriguing.  It looked like a Mosrite, I think, but it also appeared to have a Fender Jazzmaster/Jaguar tremolo.  I have never seen such a trem unit on a guitar other than a Fender.

It is unusual. I found a picture of this one, but it's the only Mosrite I've seen like that, bit it could be a modification.


Pretty sure something like that came through Pawn Stars over the past couple months.  IIRC it was described as a Mosrite...[shrug]
 
2014-06-24 08:20:26 PM
Do any of the stains contain Nixon's DNA?  Or was Kissinger a spitter like Lewinsky?
 
2014-06-24 08:27:20 PM

Prey4reign: Do any of the stains contain Nixon's DNA?  Or was Kissinger a spitter like Lewinsky?


You're thinking of Bebe Rebozo. Kissinger squired some of the most beautiful women on the planet around, many of them married to other people.
 
2014-06-24 08:33:36 PM
That picture of Elvis with Nixon is a classic.  The story behind it is even better.  Elvis showed up at that White house and asked to see Nixon, and eventually they let him in.  Elvis wanted to be deputized to help fight the war on drugs, believe it or not. Nixon had his people scrounge up some kind of badge and they gave it to Elvis.
 
2014-06-24 08:33:52 PM

MFAWG: Prey4reign: Do any of the stains contain Nixon's DNA?  Or was Kissinger a spitter like Lewinsky?

You're thinking of Bebe Rebozo. Kissinger squired some of the most beautiful women on the planet around, many of them married to other people.


You're familiar with one of the meanings of the word "beard" are you not?  Bobo Rebeze was always "Big" Dick Nixon's biatch.
 
2014-06-24 08:38:28 PM
Jim Morrisons' comic strip. Lol
 
2014-06-24 08:39:18 PM
That bastard farked up my 14th birthday by dieing.
I don't forgive easily.
 
2014-06-24 08:41:46 PM
Stained?! My guess is BBQ sauce, gravy and red velvet cake.
Or Priscilla's juice.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 08:42:05 PM
"I'll give ya fifty bucks.......(phlemmy laugh)"
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2014-06-24 08:42:25 PM

rbuzby: That picture of Elvis with Nixon is a classic.  The story behind it is even better.  Elvis showed up at that White house and asked to see Nixon, and eventually they let him in.  Elvis wanted to be deputized to help fight the war on drugs, believe it or not. Nixon had his people scrounge up some kind of badge and they gave it to Elvis.


Elvis was indeed 'studying' "drug abuse" but he was also looking into Communist brainwashing techniques and was keeping an eye on The Beatles....all of which he mentioned to Nixon.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 08:42:48 PM

dolphinsgonwild: Or Priscilla's juice.


I just threw up into my mouth a little.......bastard!
 
2014-06-24 08:43:01 PM

433: That picture of an old, smashed guitar of Kurt Cobain's was intriguing.  It looked like a Mosrite, I think, but it also appeared to have a Fender Jazzmaster/Jaguar tremolo.  I have never seen such a trem unit on a guitar other than a Fender.


Wasn't Cobain left-handed?
 
2014-06-24 08:51:18 PM

GungFu: rbuzby: That picture of Elvis with Nixon is a classic.  The story behind it is even better.  Elvis showed up at that White house and asked to see Nixon, and eventually they let him in.  Elvis wanted to be deputized to help fight the war on drugs, believe it or not. Nixon had his people scrounge up some kind of badge and they gave it to Elvis.

Elvis was indeed 'studying' "drug abuse" but he was also looking into Communist brainwashing techniques and was keeping an eye on The Beatles....all of which he mentioned to Nixon.


And (without looking it up) I think Nixon told Elvis something like "You probably shouldn't be seen with me, to maintain your credibility with the young people".
 
2014-06-24 08:54:29 PM

Badafuco: 433: That picture of an old, smashed guitar of Kurt Cobain's was intriguing.  It looked like a Mosrite, I think, but it also appeared to have a Fender Jazzmaster/Jaguar tremolo.  I have never seen such a trem unit on a guitar other than a Fender.

Wasn't Cobain left-handed?


Yes and like Hendrix he simply restrung right handed guitars backwards.
 
2014-06-24 09:01:04 PM

Prey4reign: MFAWG: Prey4reign: Do any of the stains contain Nixon's DNA?  Or was Kissinger a spitter like Lewinsky?

You're thinking of Bebe Rebozo. Kissinger squired some of the most beautiful women on the planet around, many of them married to other people.

You're familiar with one of the meanings of the word "beard" are you not?  Bobo Rebeze was always "Big" Dick Nixon's biatch.


Yeah, no. The 70s were a far less puritanical time. There was no need for a man like Kissinger to bother with a beard.
 
2014-06-24 09:03:48 PM
So, paying the cost of a three bedroom Cape Cod for a jumpsuit or a piece of paper is totally rock and rollll, dude, but oinking up 9.99 for a CD by that totally cool, new, way hip band is like, selling out?  I think I can see why everybody is pissing and moaning about music, these days.  Nobody can afford to take the time to do it well.
 
2014-06-24 09:04:47 PM
Tom_Slick:

Yes and like Hendrix he simply restrung right handed guitars backwards.

And that had nothing at all to do with his sound.  People always mention that like it means something (not that you are doing so) but it's just pure trivia.  Either one would have sounded the same if they had played guitars built for left handers.
 
2014-06-24 09:07:33 PM
I met Stevie Ray Vaughan in '83 working on a tour rehearsal.

I checked out his rig.

It was a Fender Twin, a MESA Boogie and an A/B switch.

The rest was Stevie
 
2014-06-24 09:12:14 PM

MFAWG: Prey4reign: MFAWG: Prey4reign: Do any of the stains contain Nixon's DNA?  Or was Kissinger a spitter like Lewinsky?

You're thinking of Bebe Rebozo. Kissinger squired some of the most beautiful women on the planet around, many of them married to other people.

You're familiar with one of the meanings of the word "beard" are you not?  Bobo Rebeze was always "Big" Dick Nixon's biatch.

Yeah, no. The 70s were a far less puritanical time. There was no need for a man like Kissinger to bother with a beard.

k
HK is why people hate Jews. (talk amongst yourselves.)
 
2014-06-24 09:14:25 PM
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2014-06-24 09:16:25 PM

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Perspiration actually cleans that suit!
 
2014-06-24 09:25:01 PM

bunner: I met Stevie Ray Vaughan in '83 working on a tour rehearsal.

I checked out his rig.

It was a Fender Twin, a MESA Boogie and an A/B switch.

The rest was Stevie


I met him around the same time.
Part of his sound came from using very heavy gauge (.013) strings which are very rich in tone, and put out a very loud signal that drove the preamps hard, and sounded great.

The only downside being, your fingers have to be stronger than Superman's just to play it no less bend strings.
 
2014-06-24 09:35:50 PM

TommyymmoT: bunner: I met Stevie Ray Vaughan in '83 working on a tour rehearsal.

I checked out his rig.

It was a Fender Twin, a MESA Boogie and an A/B switch.

The rest was Stevie

I met him around the same time.
Part of his sound came from using very heavy gauge (.013) strings which are very rich in tone, and put out a very loud signal that drove the preamps hard, and sounded great.

The only downside being, your fingers have to be stronger than Superman's just to play it no less bend strings.


Dick Dale showed me his guitar strings after a show many years ago. Could have put them things on a jazz bass.
 
2014-06-24 09:39:20 PM

rbuzby: Tom_Slick:

Yes and like Hendrix he simply restrung right handed guitars backwards.

And that had nothing at all to do with his sound.  People always mention that like it means something (not that you are doing so) but it's just pure trivia.  Either one would have sounded the same if they had played guitars built for left handers.


Actually, no they wouldn't, at least on the Strats, the slant of the bridge pickup would cause his lowest string had a brighter sound while his highest string had a darker sound, the dead opposite of the Strats design, record a riff on a strat, reverse the stringing and play the same riff, ya will hear what I mean. is it the source of his sound, nope that has more to do with his control and use of feedback, overdrive and the ability to do both trem and double friggen stops simultaneously.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 09:50:31 PM
Pribar: rbuzby: Tom_Slick:

Yes and like Hendrix he simply restrung right handed guitars backwards.

And that had nothing at all to do with his sound.  People always mention that like it means something (not that you are doing so) but it's just pure trivia.  Either one would have sounded the same if they had played guitars built for left handers.

Actually, no they wouldn't, at least on the Strats, the slant of the bridge pickup would cause his lowest string had a brighter sound while his highest string had a darker sound, the dead opposite of the Strats design, record a riff on a strat, reverse the stringing and play the same riff, ya will hear what I mean. is it the source of his sound, nope that has more to do with his control and use of feedback, overdrive and the ability to do both trem and double friggen stops simultaneously.


Cobain was also known for purposefully using what he deemed as "shiatty guitars."  Much of the time, the shiattier, the better.  He has had several guitars released under his name, but to me, it's a bit of a joke, as he favored no guitar in particular throughout his short career.  Some notes can be made for the Fender Competition Mustang as seen in the Smells Like Teen Spirit video, and a very peculiar Fender Jaguar, but really, he just didn't care.

Hendrix, on the other hand, he had some favorites - the Gibson Flying V, and the Fender Strat are two guitars that are closely associated with him.  At the moment, I'm trying to remember a third, but it's not coming easily.

I think that the player for whom the inverted stringing was most key is Hendrix.  Cobain's tone was not a forward part of his emphasis.  Hendrix, well, damn, what else can be said?  You were right, pribar, to note that the majority of his tone was not due to the placement of a pickup, but rather technique, and mind blowing finesse.  I cannot listen to Hendrix and hear a guitar in particular, but you can hear how he pushes his guitar over on upon the amplifier, overdriving it, getting the tubes to compress and sing, and yield to his command when he sought feedback.
 
2014-06-24 09:51:53 PM

TommyymmoT: bunner: I met Stevie Ray Vaughan in '83 working on a tour rehearsal.

I checked out his rig.

It was a Fender Twin, a MESA Boogie and an A/B switch.

The rest was Stevie

I met him around the same time.
Part of his sound came from using very heavy gauge (.013) strings which are very rich in tone, and put out a very loud signal that drove the preamps hard, and sounded great.

The only downside being, your fingers have to be stronger than Superman's just to play it no less bend strings.


Didn't he also have a dumble? I remember a guitar world article stating they would mike like 50 amps in the studio - down hallways, etc and he could pick out one that was buzzing or had a bad tube. I believe it's mostly the player but a good rig doesn't hurt.
 
2014-06-24 09:52:15 PM
Pribar:
Actually, no they wouldn't, at least on the Strats, the slant of the bridge pickup would cause his lowest string had a brighter sound while his highest string had a darker sound, the dead opposite of the Strats design, record a riff on a strat, reverse the stringing and play the same riff, ya will hear what I mean. is it the source of his sound, nope that has more to do with his control and use of feedback, overdrive and the ability to do both trem and double friggen stops simultaneously.


Close enough to no difference.  Nobody would have noticed any difference if they had played left handed guitars.  It didn't give them any special sound. Or better access to knobs, or whatever. It's just trivia. Hendrix was great because of what he had between the ears.  Reversing a right hand guitar had nothing to do with his sound.
 
2014-06-24 10:16:17 PM
$200-300,000 should about cover what they paid for the fabric.

/it was towards the end of his life
 
2014-06-24 10:31:44 PM

BKITU: That's a pretty wide range. I'll open the bidding at $250 though.


I'll up it to $251
 
2014-06-24 10:31:46 PM

Ooba Tooba: TommyymmoT: bunner: I met Stevie Ray Vaughan in '83 working on a tour rehearsal.

I checked out his rig.

It was a Fender Twin, a MESA Boogie and an A/B switch.

The rest was Stevie

I met him around the same time.
Part of his sound came from using very heavy gauge (.013) strings which are very rich in tone, and put out a very loud signal that drove the preamps hard, and sounded great.

The only downside being, your fingers have to be stronger than Superman's just to play it no less bend strings.

Dick Dale showed me his guitar strings after a show many years ago. Could have put them things on a jazz bass.


Getting Dick Dale to talk about guitar tone is easier than asking a Jehovah's Witness about their religion...and the information will be true
 
2014-06-24 10:38:11 PM

TommyymmoT: bunner: I met Stevie Ray Vaughan in '83 working on a tour rehearsal.

I checked out his rig.

It was a Fender Twin, a MESA Boogie and an A/B switch.

The rest was Stevie

I met him around the same time.
Part of his sound came from using very heavy gauge (.013) strings which are very rich in tone, and put out a very loud signal that drove the preamps hard, and sounded great.

The only downside being, your fingers have to be stronger than Superman's just to play it no less bend strings.


I recall someone asking him once if using strings that heavy hurt his fingers, and his response was along the lines of "well, it hurts like hell, but how else do you get that sound?"
 
2014-06-24 10:38:27 PM

Ooba Tooba: TommyymmoT: bunner: I met Stevie Ray Vaughan in '83 working on a tour rehearsal.

I checked out his rig.

It was a Fender Twin, a MESA Boogie and an A/B switch.

The rest was Stevie

I met him around the same time.
Part of his sound came from using very heavy gauge (.013) strings which are very rich in tone, and put out a very loud signal that drove the preamps hard, and sounded great.

The only downside being, your fingers have to be stronger than Superman's just to play it no less bend strings.

Dick Dale showed me his guitar strings after a show many years ago. Could have put them things on a jazz bass.


Built a custom guitar for a guy like that, had to replace the truss rod with two arched carbon fiber rods because the tension kept wrecking the neck after a couple of months
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 10:41:12 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: I remember a guitar world article stating they would mike like 50 amps in the studio


It's extremely difficult to mic "like 50 amps," because it is very hard to maintain the integrity of the signal from the guitar between multiple amps.  I know you don't mean an actual 50 amps, but rather, many, and that may be correct.  Two amps to four amps is possible with a little splitting and some good transformers, which is more likely.  In a studio setting, you do run in to more little tricks to flesh out the recording; splitting/looping is not a new technology.  While I do not know of SRV owning a Dumble, he did use a Fender Bassman most of the time, in conjuction with one other amp.  The Bassman was a tweed, possibly a '59, but I would be talking out of my ass if I went further.  This may have also only been during a particular period of his career, however, I do feel that the Bassman was a very important part of his chain.

When you read things in Guitar World (I read them, too!) about a person who is not interviewed in the first person, or, is dead, remember that embellshment and faulty memory live in these articles.  I work in a studio; I remember well what was used on sessions, and often, I have detailed written record.  If you were to ask me offhand what I remember, I might remember it with a bit of a fuzzy memory.  Putting amplifiers in other rooms, down halls, at the top of staircases, or in Igloo iceboxes are standard, though extended, procedures.  Nailing SRV on tape will not be a Fender Vibrochamp with a Shure SM57 - no, no, NO!, you bring that man to life, which means any means necessary.  What goes down on tape Vs what is heard live is a very different animal, as well.  Few people use the same gear consistently; gear evolves with the musician, and in the studio environment, there is an island.  SRV didn't use one thing or another, certainly, he had his favorites, but whatever served his purpose at the time was what he used.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 10:46:34 PM

Pribar: Built a custom guitar for a guy like that


You build guitars?  Awesome, man!  I have built one or two.  Here is one I built for a friend - the paint job is not mine.  I am working presently on a telecasterish guitar for my buddy.  It doesn't take all my time, it's something I do on Sundays, if you will.  I very much like the notion of making something useful and dear for someone who will love it.

Note that the linked guitar is volume only. no tone.  This decision came after several failed wiring harnesses and many, many re-cut pickguards (the green is an underlaid sheet).
 
2014-06-24 10:55:41 PM
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2014-06-24 10:55:55 PM
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"Thirteen..."
 
2014-06-24 10:58:29 PM
i'll give ya 20 dollars!
 
2014-06-24 11:15:15 PM

Pribar: Ooba Tooba: TommyymmoT: bunner: I met Stevie Ray Vaughan in '83 working on a tour rehearsal.

I checked out his rig.

It was a Fender Twin, a MESA Boogie and an A/B switch.

The rest was Stevie

I met him around the same time.
Part of his sound came from using very heavy gauge (.013) strings which are very rich in tone, and put out a very loud signal that drove the preamps hard, and sounded great.

The only downside being, your fingers have to be stronger than Superman's just to play it no less bend strings.

Dick Dale showed me his guitar strings after a show many years ago. Could have put them things on a jazz bass.

Built a custom guitar for a guy like that, had to replace the truss rod with two arched carbon fiber rods because the tension kept wrecking the neck after a couple of months


Wow, lots of guitar people here tonight, I've built a few also, and am currently working on a Variax JTV conversion. Great modeling electronics, but lose everything else.
When you change the body, neck, tuners and pickups on them, they're not too bad.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 11:29:20 PM

TommyymmoT: When you change the body, neck, tuners and pickups on them, they're not too bad.


I haven't messed with Variax, but I do wish I could make my principal guitars Roland-ready.  Trouble is, they're my faves because of their tone, and I don't want to change a thing about them, and I don't like the Roland divided pickup bugs on their landscape.

Well, I guess we all make our little sacrifices.
 
2014-06-24 11:36:36 PM
Sounds like a job for Nichols Cage- man.
 
2014-06-24 11:49:41 PM
Cmon.  Stained Peacock Suit???? And yet no one has yet asked where or how severe the pee stains are?  Farkers be slippin'.

/Elvis fan, BTW
//not above a pee joke, though
 
2014-06-24 11:57:47 PM

433: TommyymmoT: When you change the body, neck, tuners and pickups on them, they're not too bad.

I haven't messed with Variax, but I do wish I could make my principal guitars Roland-ready.  Trouble is, they're my faves because of their tone, and I don't want to change a thing about them, and I don't like the Roland divided pickup bugs on their landscape.

Well, I guess we all make our little sacrifices.


I have a Goddard XTSA that I bought cheap, repaired, and is ready to be sold.
It doesn't track any better than my Roland pickup does, and it isn't that great of a guitar.
The fact that Godin support are a bunch of arrogant dickheads doesn't help either.

I refuse to drill into a guitar to mount a Roland.
I use those little half-inch square double sided picture mounting squares made by Scotch for $3.
I can adjust height, position etc without ever violating the guitar.

If you decide to remove the pickup, you just (carefully) peel it off.
I lucked out and got a Roland GR-30, and pickup off Craig's for $100, and just use the midi out to my computer which has a bunch of mostly freeware synths on it.
 
2014-06-24 11:59:28 PM

specialkae: Cmon.  Stained Peacock Suit???? And yet no one has yet asked where or how severe the pee stains are?  Farkers be slippin'.

/Elvis fan, BTW
//not above a pee joke, though


Yeah, but you can extract the DNA and clone your very own Elvis!
 
2014-06-25 02:55:57 AM

TommyymmoT: specialkae: Cmon.  Stained Peacock Suit???? And yet no one has yet asked where or how severe the pee stains are?  Farkers be slippin'.

/Elvis fan, BTW
//not above a pee joke, though

Yeah, but you can extract the DNA and clone your very own Elvis!


No, you'd still need a healthy ovum.
 
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