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(Huffington Post)   'No brainer' plea deal includes 'no swimmers' clause   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 35
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2014-06-24 12:19:39 PM  
Here's the serial baby daddy.  Whatta hunk!

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-06-24 12:21:36 PM  
Posted the full head shot because HP decided to crop out that oh so sexy neck tat.
 
2014-06-24 02:51:22 PM  
I cannot believe the judge could get away with this if that guy wasn't white.  I can barely believe he's getting away with it now.
 
2014-06-24 04:49:20 PM  
His crime isn't having kids but having poor judgement behind the wheel.    Offering sterilisation as a way to reduce his sentence is a serious human right violation.   Also, I doubt this sentence would be given to someone of the opposite gender under the same circumstances.
 
2014-06-24 04:50:28 PM  

Lsherm: I cannot believe the judge could get away with this if that guy wasn't white.  I can barely believe he's getting away with it now.


Same here, I wouldn't be surprised if it is unenforceable when he gets out of jail though.
 
2014-06-24 04:51:49 PM  
So I'm going to assume that the judges reasoning goes like this: Eugenics was discriminatory against a class/race while this is punitive/preventative against a person with a record.
 
2014-06-24 04:52:04 PM  
I think it's time to have forced sterilization if you fathered four kids.

Yeah, I am pointing at you.
 
2014-06-24 04:56:24 PM  

Tom_Slick: Lsherm: I cannot believe the judge could get away with this if that guy wasn't white.  I can barely believe he's getting away with it now.

Same here, I wouldn't be surprised if it is unenforceable when he gets out of jail though.


Even if it is, he has a year to come up with the money and schedule the procedure.  That's a lot of time to bareback whatever chicks are into him.
 
2014-06-24 04:57:12 PM  
This is a great idea, and should be extended to career welfare recipients/applicants.
 
2014-06-24 05:02:53 PM  
There was a plea deal several years ago in a local case.  The mother was required to get a tubal ligation operation as part of the plea agreement.

Needless to say, she didn't get it done, and when the State tried to throw her in prison for violating that term of her probation, the judge threw the requirement out.   Here's an article about the case.
 
2014-06-24 05:07:11 PM  
"This takes on the appearance of social engineering," said Steve Benjamin

Wow, Steve, that's a firm grasp you have on the entire concept of criminal punishment.  Are you saying you want to volunteer to pay child support for the other eight kids he would have had?

"Sentencing conditions are designed to prevent future criminal behavior," he said. "Fathering children is not criminal behavior."

That's the problem, isn't it?  If you can't support them, it should be.  And since he can't support what he already has, it's unlikely he'll be able to support more.  Letting children starve and live in squalor is criminal behavior.

The agreement requires Herald to undergo the operation within a year of being released from prison

Uh, one can father a hell of a lot of children in a year.  Why so long?  Why don't they do it before he's released?

Herald will have to pay for the vasectomy, which can cost from a few hundred dollars to more than $1,000. Ramsey said the reason for giving his client a year to get the surgery was to give him time to come up with the money.

Oh, fark YOU.  All forms of birth control should be free to anyone who wants them, regardless of insurance, including vasectomies and tubal ligations.  Maybe if they were, there wouldn't be six or seven future Jessies running around now.  If he wasn't already a felon, he certainly is now.  He'll have no job, and a pending fine for several hundred dollars.  And you have the gall to say this:

"He needs to be able to support the children he already has when he gets out," she said

So he's not prohibited from having children during that year, since that would be 'a violation of human rights,' but he has to pay for an operation that will prohibit him from having children.  What a cluster of farks.
 
2014-06-24 05:11:27 PM  
So my sister is a nurse in Chicago.
When she started out she worked with the newborns whose mothers were crack addicts.
Anyone against forced sterilization (no matter what the circumstance) needs to spend some time in my sisters shoes.
I myself, worked in a juvenile detention facility, and have see the offspring that were never wanted and what happens to them.
Sad for all involved.

If is was up to me, I would offer up free a vasectomy or tubal ligation to all drug users, plus we give them $500.
There are various areas of this country that would see a drop in crime in about 10 years.

Yea I lean left of center, but have become jaded from what I have seen.

Just my two cents.
 
2014-06-24 05:17:41 PM  

Lsherm: I cannot believe the judge could get away with this if that guy wasn't white.  I can barely believe he's getting away with it now.


And a female judge
 
2014-06-24 05:22:25 PM  

the_end_is_rear: So my sister is a nurse in Chicago.
When she started out she worked with the newborns whose mothers were crack addicts.
Anyone against forced sterilization (no matter what the circumstance) needs to spend some time in my sisters shoes.
I myself, worked in a juvenile detention facility, and have see the offspring that were never wanted and what happens to them.
Sad for all involved.

If is was up to me, I would offer up free a vasectomy or tubal ligation to all drug users, plus we give them $500.
There are various areas of this country that would see a drop in crime in about 10 years.

Yea I lean left of center, but have become jaded from what I have seen.

Just my two cents.


Which is the assessed value of the worthless douchebags that drop these babies on society to take care of.
I'm thinking forced labor to support their crotch-spawn is fine. Anything other than them being responsible, is child abuse.

Option 2: sterilization. It's their choice.

Of course, my political party would never consider either choice, we need the future votes.
 
2014-06-24 05:27:07 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: the_end_is_rear: So my sister is a nurse in Chicago.
When she started out she worked with the newborns whose mothers were crack addicts.
Anyone against forced sterilization (no matter what the circumstance) needs to spend some time in my sisters shoes.
I myself, worked in a juvenile detention facility, and have see the offspring that were never wanted and what happens to them.
Sad for all involved.

If is was up to me, I would offer up free a vasectomy or tubal ligation to all drug users, plus we give them $500.
There are various areas of this country that would see a drop in crime in about 10 years.

Yea I lean left of center, but have become jaded from what I have seen.

Just my two cents.

Which is the assessed value of the worthless douchebags that drop these babies on society to take care of.
I'm thinking forced labor to support their crotch-spawn is fine. Anything other than them being responsible, is child abuse.

Option 2: sterilization. It's their choice.

Of course, my political party would never consider either choice, we need the future votes.


Some of my more liberal friends have called me a Nazi.
I am just giving people an option.
Take the cash!! Then we snip.
Everyone wins. lol
 
2014-06-24 05:34:40 PM  
How many of those kids did he want in the first place and what cut of the welfare checks does he get?  My guess is 0 and 0. If the judge wants to put some teeth in his ruling have him get a tat that says he has to report all sex to the court and any pregnancies that result have to be terminated and then dragnet up all his future baby mamas once a month and vacuum out all those womb ferrets. It certainly isn't him who's gaming the system and getting a check twice a month on mother's day.
 
2014-06-24 05:53:18 PM  
thesecretliberalagenda.com
 
2014-06-24 06:04:58 PM  

the_end_is_rear: Whatchoo Talkinbout: the_end_is_rear: So my sister is a nurse in Chicago.
When she started out she worked with the newborns whose mothers were crack addicts.
Anyone against forced sterilization (no matter what the circumstance) needs to spend some time in my sisters shoes.
I myself, worked in a juvenile detention facility, and have see the offspring that were never wanted and what happens to them.
Sad for all involved.

If is was up to me, I would offer up free a vasectomy or tubal ligation to all drug users, plus we give them $500.
There are various areas of this country that would see a drop in crime in about 10 years.

Yea I lean left of center, but have become jaded from what I have seen.

Just my two cents.

Which is the assessed value of the worthless douchebags that drop these babies on society to take care of.
I'm thinking forced labor to support their crotch-spawn is fine. Anything other than them being responsible, is child abuse.

Option 2: sterilization. It's their choice.

Of course, my political party would never consider either choice, we need the future votes.

Some of my more liberal friends have called me a Nazi.
I am just giving people an option.
Take the cash!! Then we snip.
Everyone wins. lol


I lean left of center, but I'm tired of paying for people who don't give a rat's ass about their own children.
Having children should be a privilege with responsibilities, not a right.
Heil Jon Stewart, or Martha Stewart, or Jackie Stewart, Ooo racecars.
 
2014-06-24 06:16:47 PM  

OscarTamerz: womb ferrets


you owe me a new keyboard (and another beer)
 
2014-06-24 06:37:10 PM  
Whole lotta Studman69 genomes ITT. Anyone who likes the sound of eugenics should try learning about it. Start with a college class in evolution.
 
pla
2014-06-24 07:21:07 PM  
Stoker : I think it's time to have forced sterilization if you fathered four kids.

More like "four too late".

It simply blows me away that we have generation after generation of white (or otherwise) trash allowed to live on the public dime - Whether that mean 3rd gen "assistance" or free room and board courtesy of that defenseless little old lady they mugged (or raped, or killed) - And we don't consider forced sterilization a matter of basic social fiscal policy? Sad. Just sad.  "Nip" the problem in the "bud", and the next few generations of the problem won't exist in the first place, simple as that.

And no, I don't write this as a troll or flamebait - We have absolutely no shortage of prolifically reproducing humans in this world, and the sooner we accept that and stop letting the worst possible parents breed, the better for our planet's future.  This judge deserves the "hero" tag for finally stepping up to the plate.
 
2014-06-24 07:41:25 PM  

pla: Stoker : I think it's time to have forced sterilization if you fathered four kids.

More like "four too late".

It simply blows me away that we have generation after generation of white (or otherwise) trash allowed to live on the public dime - Whether that mean 3rd gen "assistance" or free room and board courtesy of that defenseless little old lady they mugged (or raped, or killed) - And we don't consider forced sterilization a matter of basic social fiscal policy? Sad. Just sad.  "Nip" the problem in the "bud", and the next few generations of the problem won't exist in the first place, simple as that.

And no, I don't write this as a troll or flamebait - We have absolutely no shortage of prolifically reproducing humans in this world, and the sooner we accept that and stop letting the worst possible parents breed, the better for our planet's future.  This judge deserves the "hero" tag for finally stepping up to the plate.


Agreed
And I think if offering people free sterilization and cash as an incentive would save society a lot of heart ache in the long run.
There are people who would take the money.
People who truly wanted to be parents, would not.
Of course the ACLU would say we are taking advantage of them.
 
2014-06-24 07:48:52 PM  

Stoker: I think it's time to have forced sterilization if you fathered four created multiple kids you can't support on your own.

Yeah, I am pointing at you.


Gender neutral. Takes two to make a baby, and equality is a biatch.
 
2014-06-24 07:49:53 PM  

ampoliros: So I'm going to assume that the judges reasoning goes like this: Eugenics was discriminatory against a class/race while this is punitive/preventative against a person with a record.


Exactly. How is it social engineering when he's already fathered at least 7 goddamn children?
 
2014-06-24 08:04:18 PM  

atomic-age: ampoliros: So I'm going to assume that the judges reasoning goes like this: Eugenics was discriminatory against a class/race while this is punitive/preventative against a person with a record.

Exactly. How is it social engineering when he's already fathered at least 7 goddamn children?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-24 08:22:04 PM  

Precision Boobery: Letting children starve and live in squalor is criminal behavior.


It is, and we should stop. Though it's not clear to me how putting their parents in jail would help children with their poverty.
 
2014-06-24 08:30:17 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: I lean left of center, but I'm tired of paying for people who don't give a rat's ass about their own children. Having children should be a privilege with responsibilities, not a right.


We could just decide that children are citizens in their own right, rather than merely some's privilege or right, and simply support them societally like we do old people. If you also want to tax biological parents or take other action to discourage reproduction feel free, but that has nothing to do with the children and I don't see why you should resent paying for someone else's child any more than you resent paying for someone else's grandmother.
 
2014-06-24 08:37:01 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: I'm thinking forced labor to support their crotch-spawn is fine.


Wouldn't taxes be easier and produce more revenue -- it's expensive to detain and feed people, and to pay for someone to raise their kids, not to mention all the inefficiencies of non-market employment. Simply taxing people who produce offspring would be a lot lower overhead.

And if you combine such taxes with direct support to children it would be easy to engineer a net-$0 change (or better) in tax burden for people raising a number of children equal to the number they spawned. Plus it would help eliminate poor children, simplify a whole slew of welfare programs, eliminate child support, and allow us to start economically valuing child rearing as the extensive undertaking it is rather than pretending it's something that can be added into any household without much disruption or expense.
 
2014-06-24 09:36:54 PM  

profplump: Whatchoo Talkinbout: I lean left of center, but I'm tired of paying for people who don't give a rat's ass about their own children. Having children should be a privilege with responsibilities, not a right.

We could just decide that children are citizens in their own right, rather than merely some's privilege or right, and simply support them societally like we do old people. If you also want to tax biological parents or take other action to discourage reproduction feel free, but that has nothing to do with the children and I don't see why you should resent paying for someone else's child any more than you resent paying for someone else's grandmother.


I'm fine with that, as long as we allow people to have children only when they've shown proof of income to show they can afford to care for their spawn. If something goes wrong (the vasectomy doesn't take, parent loses their job, etc.) we'll help out.
 
2014-06-25 12:02:24 AM  

the_end_is_rear: I am just giving people an option.
Take the cash!! Then we snip.
Everyone wins. lol


Worst. Haiku. Ever.
 
2014-06-25 01:17:33 AM  

Cyber_Junk: Offering sterilisation as a way to reduce his sentence is a serious human right violation.


No, it's not.

It's a serious abuse of official power. Which is why plea deals are awful as they inexorably lead to this kind of situation.

On the other hand, this guy should get a vasectomy offered to him in exchange for an ipad or something. 7 kids by six women? What is he a blues singer?
 
2014-06-25 03:26:38 AM  
I see nothing wrong with this.  He has already proven himself to be the type of person who farks everything that moves and doesn't care about the results.  Preventing pregnancies caused by some chucklefark who never wears a condom has nothing to do with "racial purity" or any of the other BS involved in eugenics.  Let him freeze his sperm before he undergoes the procedure.  At least that way, he won't lose his ability to become a father if he does decide to settle down and get married.  But it'll only be if the woman actually *wants* to become pregnant, which was the issue in the first place.
 
Ral
2014-06-25 03:31:02 AM  
The only reason the state has an interest in whether this man reproduces is the fact that the state provides welfare to the mother for each kid she has.  It costs the state money.

If there were no such welfare, the state wouldn't need to give two shiats about whether someone is squeezing out more babies than they "should".
 
2014-06-25 07:56:04 AM  

profplump: Whatchoo Talkinbout: I lean left of center, but I'm tired of paying for people who don't give a rat's ass about their own children. Having children should be a privilege with responsibilities, not a right.

We could just decide that children are citizens in their own right, rather than merely some's privilege or right, and simply support them societally like we do old people. If you also want to tax biological parents or take other action to discourage reproduction feel free, but that has nothing to do with the children and I don't see why you should resent paying for someone else's child any more than you resent paying for someone else's grandmother.


Because the child is easily preventable. Clue, get one.
 
2014-06-25 07:56:52 AM  

Penman: profplump: Whatchoo Talkinbout: I lean left of center, but I'm tired of paying for people who don't give a rat's ass about their own children. Having children should be a privilege with responsibilities, not a right.

We could just decide that children are citizens in their own right, rather than merely some's privilege or right, and simply support them societally like we do old people. If you also want to tax biological parents or take other action to discourage reproduction feel free, but that has nothing to do with the children and I don't see why you should resent paying for someone else's child any more than you resent paying for someone else's grandmother.

I'm fine with that, as long as we allow people to have children only when they've shown proof of income to show they can afford to care for their spawn. If something goes wrong (the vasectomy doesn't take, parent loses their job, etc.) we'll help out.


Stop making sense.
 
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