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(The Daily Beast)   Why the US can't just deploy special forces soldiers to Iraq to solve the country's problems on the cheap: "What are they going to do? Host a dinner party? It's 300 guys to stop ISIS from taking over Baghdad"   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 9
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2014-06-24 12:32:09 PM  
3 votes:
The purpose of SF soldiers has never been to win a war. They're guerrillas, who are trained to create more guerrillas. They engage in unconventional and asymmetric warfare, and are uniquely trained to create others who can do the same.

They may or may not be successful in Iraq- my money's on "not so much"- but never mistake their purpose. The US Special Forces have never been about directly winning conflicts but about creating the conditions in which a conflict can be won, which is a subtle but distinct difference.
2014-06-24 10:34:43 AM  
3 votes:
Why do we care about Iraq again? A regional civil war is long overdue there, the tribal alliances that don't match those idiot boundaries the British gave them 100 years ago have been enforced for far too long.

Also, Kudos to the "Religion of Peace" for even having a shiite / Sunni split worthy of a shooting war again, just like every other Islamic holy conflict with itself in the past .. 1400 years now?

Note to any Islamic apologist: The West used to have shooting wars just as violent or angry as the Islamic world does today. And we evolved out of it. The Reformation, The 100 Years' War and so forth, basically our entire history 1500 - 1800 was based around Catholics and Protestants trying to hurt one another over whose version of God was correct.

In the end it served to help the West grow past religious theocracy as a form of government and led to the society we enjoy today.

Someone better educated in Islamic culture could explain why with double the history the Islamic world is still basically fighting for which version of the bible is correct, and is willing to kill itself in order to settle it.

Ridiculously immature and non-modern thing to be arguing over, Islamic World. If you didn't have oil wealth we'd just laugh at your tribal nonsense, but since you inherited some money along the way you actually have the ability to damage the civilized world with your antics.
2014-06-24 03:30:03 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: violentsalvation: dittybopper: He then proceeded to tell me the story about how, after his second extended tour in Vietnam, he was looking up some of his old war buddies when he started getting hassled by a local cop in a podunk small town.  A deputy ended up dying in the ensuing row, which he insisted was an accident, but it took all of his skills to evade the ensuing manhunt.  Eventually, his commander showed up and they got everything straightened out.

I think I met him too, at the PX, but this was after he rescued some secret American POWs held in Vietnam and fought with the Mujaheddin in Trashcanistan.

Yeah, that was him.

I can't believe it took over 3 hours for someone to notice that I had PN'ed the thread in the juggs.


I just didn't want to point out that it wasn't that good an effort, but if you're looking for feedback... you, sir, are no PN.
2014-06-24 11:22:44 AM  
2 votes:
I'm sure 300 SFs could do some pretty amazing shiat.

It's still 300 more than we should send.
2014-06-24 03:58:15 PM  
1 votes:

Generation_D: Note to any Islamic apologist: The West used to have shooting wars just as violent or angry as the Islamic world does today. And we evolved out of it. The Reformation, The 100 Years' War and so forth, basically our entire history 1500 - 1800 was based around Catholics and Protestants trying to hurt one another over whose version of God was correct.

Someone better educated in Islamic culture could explain why with double the history the Islamic world is still basically fighting for which version of the bible is correct, and is willing to kill itself in order to settle it.


Short version: not "still."

Long version: You're talking recent history. You're ignoring that Baghdad was the center of world culture for 500 years, starting in the 8th century, and the Islamic empire was larger than anything Alexander the Great or the Romans ever put together. The world language of science and mathematics was Arabic (we still call them Arabic numerals), and Baghdad was by far the richest and most intellectually advanced city of the time. For twice as long as America has been a place.

So what happened? Genghis Khan, then the Christians, then the Europeans, and then the Americans.

Before you treat the current state of the Middle East as a problem inherent to Islam, consider -- they had civilization pretty well figured out over a millennium ago, at a time when the enlightened Christians you talk about were still dealing with Viking invaders, and neither Islam's fall from grace nor its inability to recover has been entirely the fault of Islamic people.

/And it's not like history is devoid of Christian-on-Christian violence, either.
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2014-06-24 03:28:29 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Well, you'd be surprised what 300 highly trained, highly motivated guys can do.


CSB:
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2014-06-24 02:12:43 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: I can't believe it took over 3 hours for someone to notice that I had PN'ed the thread in the juggs.


Yeah, we noticed. We just didn't care.

Or maybe it was just me, I dunno. Anyway, well done, thanks.

Moving on...
2014-06-24 02:08:34 PM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Wasn't listening to Internet Military Strategists part of what got us here?


You could actually make the opposite argument:  Not seeking out and seriously considering differing opinions is what got us here.
2014-06-24 12:31:13 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Well, you'd be surprised what 300 highly trained, highly motivated guys can do.


With air support.
 
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