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(Reuters)   Study finds that the same genes that make one more likely to develop schizophrenia also make one more likely to use marijuana. That's like, their personal opinion, man   (reuters.com) divider line 67
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2014-06-24 11:41:22 AM
So remember you crazy kids, don't smoke L-dopa.
 
2014-06-24 01:34:27 PM
Two great tastes that are great together.
 
GBB
2014-06-24 01:35:26 PM
So, people that have a distorted view of reality enjoy doing things that cause a distorted view on reality?
 
2014-06-24 01:37:11 PM
For a real treat try smoking a joint with a scizophrenic sometime.
 
2014-06-24 01:38:28 PM
And that's how tinfoil hats are made.
 
2014-06-24 01:39:04 PM
How else would you communicate with the research scientists from another universe?
 
2014-06-24 01:40:46 PM
People with mental issues will try to self medicate. Film at 11.
 
2014-06-24 01:43:05 PM
Who said that?
 
2014-06-24 01:43:54 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: For a real treat try smoking a joint with a scizophrenic sometime.


CSB?
 
2014-06-24 01:45:12 PM
Because when I'm paranoid and think everyone's out to get me, I like to toke up and get more paranoid.

(i know that's not how any of this works but that bit does seem odd)
 
2014-06-24 01:45:19 PM
Genes that increase the risk of a person developing schizophrenia may also increase the chance they will use cannabis, researchers said on Tuesday after studying more than 1,000 users of the drug.

...

"We know that cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia. Our study certainly does not rule this out, but it suggests that there is likely to be an association in the other direction as well - that a pre-disposition to schizophrenia also increases your likelihood of cannabis use," said Robert Power

Actually based on this new information you now don't know that, I would think a previous study would have falsely assumed the higher number of schizo potheads was caused by the weed smoking itself and not because people who get schizophrenia are also more likely to enjoy smoking weed.
 
2014-06-24 01:45:50 PM
I buy this.

/stoner
 
2014-06-24 01:47:50 PM
"I won't go schizo, will I?"
 
2014-06-24 01:47:59 PM

Diogenes: So remember you crazy kids, don't smoke L-dopa.


I did that and I woke up as robin williams, that was great while it lasted but eventually I when back into a paralytic coma.
 
2014-06-24 01:48:17 PM
The bong is talking to me.
 
2014-06-24 01:49:10 PM

Headso: Genes that increase the risk of a person developing schizophrenia may also increase the chance they will use cannabis, researchers said on Tuesday after studying more than 1,000 users of the drug.

...

"We know that cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia. Our study certainly does not rule this out, but it suggests that there is likely to be an association in the other direction as well - that a pre-disposition to schizophrenia also increases your likelihood of cannabis use," said Robert Power

Actually based on this new information you now don't know that, I would think a previous study would have falsely assumed the higher number of schizo potheads was caused by the weed smoking itself and not because people who get schizophrenia are also more likely to enjoy smoking weed.


My guess is more along the lines of: "schizophrenics have a tendency to self-medicate," and would certainly explain the higher incidence of narcotics use among them.
 
2014-06-24 01:51:42 PM
Many people with mental/emotional issues self medicate with everything from Alcohol to Xanax.

rick romero reporting.
 
Zel
2014-06-24 01:52:01 PM
We'd have to carefully read the studies to see how they differentiate correlation and causation. For a long time they've known of a correlation. I'm not sure they ever found which direction. Finding some genes underlying casts doubt on either A causing B or B causing A, since there's an unknown strength mutual causation, C indicating A and B.

On the other hand, many genetic studies are just as bad; you set up a formula to find which gene is most correlated and of course something is. That's what it means to be the most.
 
2014-06-24 01:52:02 PM
Put me down for all three.
 
2014-06-24 01:54:41 PM
Study by un-named authors good editing Alison Williams.

The internet continues to fail
 
2014-06-24 01:55:22 PM
It's right there but too bad most will gloss over this little tidbit.

FTFA: "The results chime with previous studies linking schizophrenia and cannabis, but suggest the association may be due to common genes and might not be a causal relationship where cannabis use leads to increased schizophrenia risk."

/I know you are but who am I
 
2014-06-24 01:58:33 PM
They really should legalize it so we can have more medical studies on the effects!

/i'm available to volunteer for such studies
//all of the studies
 
2014-06-24 01:59:17 PM
♪ ♫ ♪...
Silly boy you got so much to live for
So much to aim for, so much to try for
You blowing it all with paranoia
You're so insecure you self-destroyer
(And it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(Here it goes again)
Paranoia, the destroyer♪ ♫ ♪
 
2014-06-24 02:00:06 PM
That's it, arrest everyone who is likely to develop schizophrenia and smoke dope.
 
2014-06-24 02:00:09 PM
It makes sense that any cause for any correlation would run in the urge to self medicate direction because countries like japan with much lower amounts of pot use/availability still have the same amount of schizophrenia as the US.
 
2014-06-24 02:00:10 PM

farkin_Gary: teenage mutant ninja rapist: For a real treat try smoking a joint with a scizophrenic sometime.

CSB?


They might be of two minds, but they're both stoned and mellow.
 
2014-06-24 02:07:53 PM

Devo: Many people with mental/emotional issues self medicate with everything from Alcohol to Xanax Zoloft.

rick romero reporting.


/FTFY
 
2014-06-24 02:08:28 PM

Skail: Headso: Genes that increase the risk of a person developing schizophrenia may also increase the chance they will use cannabis, researchers said on Tuesday after studying more than 1,000 users of the drug.

...

"We know that cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia. Our study certainly does not rule this out, but it suggests that there is likely to be an association in the other direction as well - that a pre-disposition to schizophrenia also increases your likelihood of cannabis use," said Robert Power

Actually based on this new information you now don't know that, I would think a previous study would have falsely assumed the higher number of schizo potheads was caused by the weed smoking itself and not because people who get schizophrenia are also more likely to enjoy smoking weed.

My guess is more along the lines of: "schizophrenics have a tendency to self-medicate," and would certainly explain the higher incidence of narcotics use among them.


Could also be influenced by people who have experienced unusual mental states being less apprehensive of them. I have narcolepsy and get hypnagogic hallucinations so often that it's weird when I don't. Before this I never would've considered anything that could mess with my perception but now that I have some idea what it's like, it isn't anywhere near as scary. There's a big difference between the dreaming-while-conscious HH and schizophrenia, but.
 
2014-06-24 02:13:24 PM
Schizophrenia.  That fits.

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-24 02:15:42 PM

germ78: Devo: Many people with mental/emotional issues self medicate with everything from Alcohol to Xanax Zoloft.

rick romero reporting.

/FTFY



Thanks! I couldn't think of a Z.
 
2014-06-24 02:19:44 PM
What's interesting is that both schizophrenics and those under the influence of thc both suffer from "increased significance",  where mundane realizations become revelatory, like a false epiphany.
 
2014-06-24 02:21:41 PM

mekkab: What's interesting is that both schizophrenics and those under the influence of thc both suffer from "increased significance",  where mundane realizations become revelatory, like a false epiphany.


I didn't know that. THAT'S AMAZING!
 
2014-06-24 02:23:23 PM

Skail: Headso: Genes that increase the risk of a person developing schizophrenia may also increase the chance they will use cannabis, researchers said on Tuesday after studying more than 1,000 users of the drug.

...

"We know that cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia. Our study certainly does not rule this out, but it suggests that there is likely to be an association in the other direction as well - that a pre-disposition to schizophrenia also increases your likelihood of cannabis use," said Robert Power

Actually based on this new information you now don't know that, I would think a previous study would have falsely assumed the higher number of schizo potheads was caused by the weed smoking itself and not because people who get schizophrenia are also more likely to enjoy smoking weed.

My guess is more along the lines of: "schizophrenics have a tendency to self-medicate," and would certainly explain the higher incidence of narcotics use among them.


DING. Even on meds that take away some of the crazy, man I love weed. Crave it. Dont do other drugs, dont drink.
 
2014-06-24 02:26:51 PM

Mjeck: How else would you communicate with the research scientists from another universe?


Nice. Have a hit, I think they're trying to talk to you RIGHT NOW.
 
2014-06-24 02:27:11 PM

busy chillin': I didn't know that. THAT'S AMAZING!


*AND* useless!!

/What you did there...
//... I saw it and was outright flabbergasted
 
2014-06-24 02:30:06 PM

Devo: Many people with mental/emotional issues


I know I am, but what am I?
 
2014-06-24 02:32:39 PM

MFAWG: People with mental issues will try to self medicate. Film at 11.


But this IS the nail in the "Pot makes you Schizophrenic" theory that was being advanced by anti-drug types based on the data that showed higher pot usage among schizophrenics, proving once again the whole correlation is not causation thing.
 
2014-06-24 02:35:08 PM

mekkab: busy chillin': I didn't know that. THAT'S AMAZING!

*AND* useless!!

/What you did there...
//... I saw it and was outright flabbergasted


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2014-06-24 02:35:26 PM
People who are messed up like to self-medicate.  More at 11.
 
2014-06-24 02:36:20 PM
I won't go schizo, will I?
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2014-06-24 02:42:42 PM

Cold_Sassy: ♪ ♫ ♪...Silly boy you got so much to live forSo much to aim for, so much to try forYou blowing it all with paranoiaYou're so insecure you self-destroyer(And it goes like this, here it goes)Paranoia, the destroyer(Here it goes again)Paranoia, the destroyer♪ ♫ ♪


Kinky.
 
2014-06-24 02:43:13 PM
Apparently, the herb also causes PTSD.
 
2014-06-24 02:44:03 PM

Zul the Magnificent: Cold_Sassy: ♪ ♫ ♪...Silly boy you got so much to live forSo much to aim for, so much to try forYou blowing it all with paranoiaYou're so insecure you self-destroyer(And it goes like this, here it goes)Paranoia, the destroyer(Here it goes again)Paranoia, the destroyer♪ ♫ ♪

Kinky.


Good!
 
2014-06-24 02:51:45 PM
Mostly self-medication, I imagine. It probably tamps down the crazy.

According to a book I am reading, people who are psychiatrically "normal" but who have schizophrenic family members are more likely to believe in UFOs, ESP and literal interpretations of the Bible.

Canadian researcher, Michael Persinger, has successfully induced paranormal-type experiences by holding a magnet to subjects' brains. He suspects that many "sacred" places are magnetic anomaly-prone and has in fact measured anomalies in such places.

Chemical imbalances in the brain are commonly found in people with schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is characterized by abnormal behaviour and an inability to distinguish between what is real and what is not. There's a lot of that going around, especially in the Fark Politics threads.
 
2014-06-24 02:54:17 PM

Cold_Sassy: Good!


Or at least not bad for a Muswell hillbilly boy.   ; )
 
2014-06-24 02:57:33 PM
I love how they just claim not to know yet whether it's causation or correlation.

As the article mentions, about 1 in 100 of us become schizophrenic. That ratio hasn't changed since humanity learned to count. It didn't change in the 20th century as cannabis use in the western world increased dramatically, either.

But you won't get a grant to prove it's just correlation! You won't even get a grant to determine whether it's causation or correlation, because the answer's been obvious for years.

I emphatically discourage pot use among kids and teens, though. There's hard evidence that teens who smoke a lot are far more likely to develop dependency problems than users who start as adults.
 
2014-06-24 03:07:34 PM
I actually work on a different study in this exact field. Basically, I did a genome-wide association study of severity of cannabis dependence and a few of the top genes that emerged have been previously linked to schizophrenia. Our sample had SZ diagnosis as an exclusion criteria, which suggests true shared genetic risk rather than just "schizos like to self medicate."
 
2014-06-24 03:09:27 PM
Oo, Subby, if you had written "opinions," you would have won an internet...
 
2014-06-24 03:19:11 PM
The results chime with previous studies linking schizophrenia and cannabis, but suggest the association may be due to common genes and might not be a causal relationship where cannabis use leads to increased schizophrenia risk.

Really?!?  Wow, and here I thought correlation equals causation.

Perhaps schizophrenics ARE marijuana.  I bet they didn't think of that!  I bet fish don't fry in the kitchen, and beans don't burn on the grill.
 
2014-06-24 03:21:01 PM
imgs.xkcd.com

/oblig
 
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