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(Japan Times)   Foreign parents of children in Japanese schools worry about intense pressure on their kids to join and commit to school clubs. "Why can't Japan get the hang of moderation? Basically they are training them to be great salarymen"   (japantimes.co.jp) divider line 87
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2014-06-24 03:50:22 AM  
More misguided than women who marry a man hoping to "change" him.
 
2014-06-24 04:27:06 AM  
...or a man marrying a woman and thinking things will stay the same.

/not a woman
//getting married
///whipped
 
2014-06-24 04:31:56 AM  
This is why the number of foreign kids gradually tapers off until the graduating class is 100% Japanese.
 
2014-06-24 04:53:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This is why the number of foreign kids gradually tapers off until the graduating class is 100% Japanese.


Every parent I know leaves Japan.
 
2014-06-24 08:24:21 AM  

doglover: AverageAmericanGuy: This is why the number of foreign kids gradually tapers off until the graduating class is 100% Japanese.

Every parent I know leaves Japan.


Everybody wants to be Japanese, but nobody wants to be Japanese (to steal from Paul Mooney)?
 
2014-06-24 08:27:56 AM  
Why can't America ever get the hang of actually teaching our children. Basically we are teaching them to become great janitors.
 
2014-06-24 08:29:48 AM  
I would pay good money to train judo/wrestling 5-6 days a week...
 
2014-06-24 08:32:57 AM  

Kevin72: More misguided than women who marry a man hoping to "change" him.


In fairness, getting a guy to take down his wall scrolls and stop watching cartoons for children should be high on any woman's list.
 
2014-06-24 08:33:16 AM  
Asian kids need to be successful so that they can afford their own therapy bills.
 
2014-06-24 08:35:00 AM  
As opposed to scheduling your kids 'free time' activities to the second, that happens here?
 
2014-06-24 08:35:16 AM  

Terrydatroll: Why can't America ever get the hang of actually teaching our children. Basically we are teaching them to become great janitors.


And BurgerDoodle is ALways hirin'...
 
2014-06-24 08:36:25 AM  
Of course there's moderation. That lifestyle (as applied to school/career) brings a moderate-paying job. It's what I've chosen for myself since high school.

/I prefer the slow lane sometimes
 
2014-06-24 08:37:53 AM  

Flakeloaf: Kevin72: More misguided than women who marry a man hoping to "change" him.

In fairness, getting a guy to take down his wall scrolls and stop watching cartoons for children should be high on any woman's list.


Seriously? As a guy myself, I'd suggest that any man who needs to be dragged away from that sort of stuff probably isn't worth the effort. I'm not sure what the female equivalent to girl posters and cartoons would be, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time on a woman still deeply involved in activities mainly intended for the under 12 set.
 
2014-06-24 08:38:37 AM  
How is this any different than the standard affluent American suburban kid experience?
 
2014-06-24 08:39:00 AM  
No, we teach our children to "dream" and be "individuals", and that belonging to a group is selling out.

Then we shiat ourselves when reality hits em, and they go shooting up what they perceive as sources of unjust authority. At least in japan, reality checks involve jumping in front of bullet trains.
 
2014-06-24 08:39:07 AM  
Parents probably found out about the after school sex clubs according to the documentaries I saw
 
2014-06-24 08:42:58 AM  
fta Parents in the survey whose children quit club altogether reported having to jump through hoops to have the move sanctioned.

"Sanctioned"? Wow. I would not be a good fit in that environment. My kids and I are big fans of unstructured free time. Just walking through a field and picking up ladybugs has a lot of value.
 
2014-06-24 08:43:33 AM  
I would have thought the tentacle rape was more of the problem.
 
2014-06-24 08:43:42 AM  

van1ty: I would pay good money to train judo/wrestling 5-6 days a week...


Really? Even at the expense of your studies? Even with no actual coach most of the time, just an upperclassman? Even with teammates who touch your dong and poke your butthole with their fingers? Even with a social structure so weird and rigid that the natives have a difficult time fitting in, and only the top dog alphas or bad boys get quality 'tang? Count me out.
 
2014-06-24 08:49:27 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: How is this any different than the standard affluent American suburban kid experience?


These clubs are very mandatory.
 
2014-06-24 08:49:41 AM  

Terrydatroll: Why can't America ever get the hang of actually teaching our children. Basically we are teaching them to become great janitors.


It can be said that most Japanese 'education' just involves memorizing facts and regurgitating them correctly on tests.
 
2014-06-24 08:51:12 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Flakeloaf: Kevin72: More misguided than women who marry a man hoping to "change" him.

In fairness, getting a guy to take down his wall scrolls and stop watching cartoons for children should be high on any woman's list.

Seriously? As a guy myself, I'd suggest that any man who needs to be dragged away from that sort of stuff probably isn't worth the effort. I'm not sure what the female equivalent to girl posters and cartoons would be, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time on a woman still deeply involved in activities mainly intended for the under 12 set.


Dolls.

One interesting thing about shopping homes about the right age for the original owners to just be aging out of them is that you'll see a surprising number of doll collections.  In one case, I could just imagine the realtor tried to say something about maybe cutting down on the display cases, but you could tell from the carpet marks it only resulted in one tiny cabinet being moved.

I don't care that as an adult you get to call yourself a "collector" - it's still dolls.

\And they're usually creepy.
 
2014-06-24 08:51:26 AM  
Once, when I was in high school, we had a bunch of Japanese people come and visit our school for a week. They just sort of walked around, sat in on classes, etc.  Probably about 20 of them.
I forget what their BS reason behind it was.

Anyway, my mom was a school administrator so I asked her about it. They were there to study us and figure out why they have such a high suicide rate vs american schools.

/CSB
 
2014-06-24 08:52:38 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: How is this any different than the standard affluent American suburban kid experience?


The big difference, at least from the way it's described in the article, is the level of specialization.

The typical American kid might be involved in a bunch of different extra-curriculars at once while it sounds like the Japanese approach is to pick one and devote nearly all of your time into perfecting it.

The Japanese approach sounds like it could be good for the kids who can excel in a particular sport, but bad for those who don't know what they want to do yet, or who make a choice early that they later regret.

The junior high level especially should be about exploring lots of different options, with the opportunity to devote more time to specialization in the later years of high school and into college.
 
2014-06-24 08:53:35 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: How is this any different than the standard affluent American suburban kid experience?


Affluent American suburban parents (great band name BTW) get this out of their system when the kids are between 4-12. Jenny has soccer Saturdays at 9:30, gymnastics Tuesdays and Thursdays at 5:30, Billy has baseball Saturdays at 9:45 on the west side, swim practice Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 6:00. Can we get Jenny into Piano lessons Monday, Wednesday, and Friday from 4:30-5:30, and Billy into a Tuesday/Thursday Pokemon League to help develop his social skills? And Sally turns 3 next year, should we look into Stage 1 gymnastics for her?

By the time they're in high school, the parents have given up.
 
2014-06-24 08:54:43 AM  

Flakeloaf: Kevin72: More misguided than women who marry a man hoping to "change" him.

In fairness, getting a guy to take down his wall scrolls and stop watching cartoons for children should be high on any woman's list.


You would think. My wife in particular was thrilled when I introduced her to great shows from my childhood like He-man and the Masters of the Universe and Dogtanian and the Three Muskerhounds. I could tell that behind the look of derision and the threats to smack me, she really loved it.
 
2014-06-24 08:55:50 AM  

Terrydatroll: Why can't America ever get the hang of actually teaching our children. Basically we are teaching them to become great janitors.


I once met an American exchange student. She was surprised at how difficult her courses over here (Netherlands) were compared with what she had to learn back home. Don't know if this is indicative of anything.
 
2014-06-24 08:57:49 AM  
"You want to leave the Ichiban Super Happy Funtime Hentai Club? Over a few tentacles? You bring dishonor to us all!"
 
2014-06-24 08:58:16 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: I'm not sure what the female equivalent to girl posters and cartoons would be


Stuffed toys?  Useless little frilly things with ribbons?

I'd have no issue if a guy wants a couple of nice framed movie or anime posters around the place.  Home is a personal space to feel comfortable and relaxed in, it's not a display cabinet to show your friends how "grown up" and joyless you've become.

/Ooh look at the framed cottage prints my wife chose
//They mean nothing to me or her, but they match the carpet so don't we look grown up?
 
2014-06-24 08:58:37 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Flakeloaf: Kevin72: More misguided than women who marry a man hoping to "change" him.

In fairness, getting a guy to take down his wall scrolls and stop watching cartoons for children should be high on any woman's list.

Seriously? As a guy myself, I'd suggest that any man who needs to be dragged away from that sort of stuff probably isn't worth the effort. I'm not sure what the female equivalent to girl posters and cartoons would be, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time on a woman still deeply involved in activities mainly intended for the under 12 set.


That was a shot at the "Otaku seeks Japanese Waifu" set, but you're absolutely right. Nothing says "Not dating/not looking" like an entire bookcase stuffed with naked ten year olds who are really just 3000 year old demon princesses so it's totally okay.
 
2014-06-24 08:59:40 AM  
It's probably for the best.  If movies have taught me anything, it's what the natives/ethnics really need is a white person to master their ways and then lead them to cast out all the devilish influences of the non-natives. Do we really want another war with Japan, only this time while a white person is in charge?
 
2014-06-24 08:59:41 AM  
In Korea, it's a similar mentality, except that instead of (or in addition to!) extracurricular activities like sports, the emphasis is on private supplementary academy learning, above and beyond their regular school hours (which can be up to 14 hours per day in high school).

The amount of pressure on students, especially in high school, is insane. It is absolutely unhealthy by any objective measurement. I suspect Japan is similar.

/They also approach "hobbies" this way
//Bowling is srs bsns here
 
2014-06-24 08:59:42 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: doglover: AverageAmericanGuy: This is why the number of foreign kids gradually tapers off until the graduating class is 100% Japanese.

Every parent I know leaves Japan.

Everybody wants to be Japanese, but nobody wants to be Japanese (to steal from Paul Mooney)?


Being Japanese is hard work, f that.
 
2014-06-24 09:00:56 AM  
For the record, the female equivalent of the action figure collector is the horse girl. Horses on doors. Horses on dishes. Etc. Etc.
 
2014-06-24 09:01:14 AM  

Yogimus: No, we teach our children to "dream" and be "individuals", and that belonging to a group is selling out.

Then we shiat ourselves when reality hits em, and they go shooting up what they perceive as sources of unjust authority. At least in japan, reality checks involve jumping in front of bullet trains.


Excellent point. Because it's not creeps and crazies that cause mass shootings. It's individuals and dreamers. CRUSH 'EM LIKE BUGS BEFORE THEY KILL US ALL!
 
2014-06-24 09:01:29 AM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: One interesting thing about shopping homes about the right age for the original owners to just be aging out of them is that you'll see a surprising number of doll collections.  In one case, I could just imagine the realtor tried to say something about maybe cutting down on the display cases, but you could tell from the carpet marks it only resulted in one tiny cabinet being moved.


Ugh. It's hell trying to sell a house in the 'burbs. Things I cannot do in my own home right now:

- have a useable towel within easy reach
- have comfortable furniture in my own living room
- have toothpaste, deodorant, or a comb that isn't hidden in a basket underneath the sink
- have normal pillows on my bed, rather than a whole pile of decorative ones that you would never, ever use in a million years, even if you wanted

Not to be sexist, but I blame women for all of this. Dammit, women: relax.
 
2014-06-24 09:05:26 AM  

Flakeloaf: Kevin72: More misguided than women who marry a man hoping to "change" him.

In fairness, getting a guy to take down his wall scrolls and stop watching cartoons for children should be high on any woman's

SHREW'S list.

As said shrew grows old in her apartment, with nothing but her cats and Virginia Slims to keep her company, she'll go to the grave wondering why she "could never meet the right man."
 
2014-06-24 09:07:41 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: For the record, the female equivalent of the action figure collector is the horse girl. Horses on doors. Horses on dishes. Etc. Etc.


You're all wrong. It's containers.

Seriously, you married guys, go look through your house, and really notice the sheer number of plastic tubs, bins, baskets, crates, Corningware with covers, Tupperware, saved Hillshire Farms lunchmeat containers, and tiny little round things with snap-on lids that are really only useful is you need to take like 2 ounces of something, somewhere. It will blow your mind.
 
2014-06-24 09:12:25 AM  
From the way people describe Japan I would think the whole country would be awash in coke,  meth and other assorted stimulants.  For all I know it is, but I have a hard time imagine a coked up Japanese business man tearing up a couch.
 
2014-06-24 09:14:29 AM  

jayhawk88: Jaden Smith First of His Name: For the record, the female equivalent of the action figure collector is the horse girl. Horses on doors. Horses on dishes. Etc. Etc.

You're all wrong. It's containers.

Seriously, you married guys, go look through your house, and really notice the sheer number of plastic tubs, bins, baskets, crates, Corningware with covers, Tupperware, saved Hillshire Farms lunchmeat containers, and tiny little round things with snap-on lids that are really only useful is you need to take like 2 ounces of something, somewhere. It will blow your mind.


As an action figure collector...  Many plastic tubs are full of parts.

And many are filled with LEGO from my wifes collecting habits.
 
2014-06-24 09:15:05 AM  

jayhawk88: Skirl Hutsenreiter: One interesting thing about shopping homes about the right age for the original owners to just be aging out of them is that you'll see a surprising number of doll collections.  In one case, I could just imagine the realtor tried to say something about maybe cutting down on the display cases, but you could tell from the carpet marks it only resulted in one tiny cabinet being moved.

Ugh. It's hell trying to sell a house in the 'burbs. Things I cannot do in my own home right now:

- have a useable towel within easy reach
- have comfortable furniture in my own living room
- have toothpaste, deodorant, or a comb that isn't hidden in a basket underneath the sink
- have normal pillows on my bed, rather than a whole pile of decorative ones that you would never, ever use in a million years, even if you wanted

Not to be sexist, but I blame women for all of this. Dammit, women: relax.


jayhawk88: Jaden Smith First of His Name: For the record, the female equivalent of the action figure collector is the horse girl. Horses on doors. Horses on dishes. Etc. Etc.

You're all wrong. It's containers.

Seriously, you married guys, go look through your house, and really notice the sheer number of plastic tubs, bins, baskets, crates, Corningware with covers, Tupperware, saved Hillshire Farms lunchmeat containers, and tiny little round things with snap-on lids that are really only useful is you need to take like 2 ounces of something, somewhere. It will blow your mind.


Sorry man, you're fighting this one on your own.  I like the Tupperware.  I re-use the Tupperware.  If I put a sandwich or some fruit in a plastic bag, that plastic bag goes in the trash and into a landfill.  But the Tupperware?  That lasts years if you get a big enough set and stick with one brand.  I like the clean bathroom surfaces, too.  And the Corningware?  Ever tried to bake something then take it somewhere?  Need a lid for that shiat.  I'm with you on the towel though.  WTF?  Everyone needs a towel.
 
2014-06-24 09:16:43 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Everybody wants to be do Japanese girls, but nobody wants to be Japanese (to steal from Paul Mooney)?


There, FTFY
 
2014-06-24 09:17:16 AM  

MattMarcSmith: ...or a man marrying a woman and thinking things will stay the same.

/not a woman
//getting married
///whipped


Can I have your toys?
 
2014-06-24 09:17:51 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Flakeloaf: Kevin72: More misguided than women who marry a man hoping to "change" him.

In fairness, getting a guy to take down his wall scrolls and stop watching cartoons for children should be high on any woman'sSHREW'S list.

As said shrew grows old in her apartment, with nothing but her cats and Virginia Slims to keep her company, she'll go to the grave wondering why she "could never meet the right man."


My Rodgerometer says this comment is only 115 millielliots. Come on man, you can do better.
 
2014-06-24 09:18:59 AM  
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2014-06-24 09:19:06 AM  
"Heather from Australia had mixed feelings when her daughter entered junior high school last April and joined the kendo club."

Did someone say Kendo Club?

4.bp.blogspot.com

/ at least the kids aren't all sitting in front of a TV/video game/computer all the time
 
2014-06-24 09:19:11 AM  

jayhawk88: Jaden Smith First of His Name: For the record, the female equivalent of the action figure collector is the horse girl. Horses on doors. Horses on dishes. Etc. Etc.

You're all wrong. It's containers.

Seriously, you married guys, go look through your house, and really notice the sheer number of plastic tubs, bins, baskets, crates, Corningware with covers, Tupperware, saved Hillshire Farms lunchmeat containers, and tiny little round things with snap-on lids that are really only useful is you need to take like 2 ounces of something, somewhere. It will blow your mind.


I'm a guy and I love containers, that Ferrell when you get just the right thing to keep something else in is awesome, the only thing that makes it better it to find the perfect place to put that thing inside that thing inside of!
 
2014-06-24 09:24:15 AM  
Feel. That feel when. Damn phone.
 
2014-06-24 09:27:41 AM  
Then there's always those weird clubs...

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2014-06-24 09:28:59 AM  

Daemonik: Terrydatroll: Why can't America ever get the hang of actually teaching our children. Basically we are teaching them to become great janitors.

It can be said that most Japanese 'education' just involves memorizing facts and regurgitating them correctly on tests.


This is different from American education how?
 
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