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NFA [TotalFark]
2014-06-24 06:03:44 AM
What a load of shiat.

We already have legalized drugs in this country and while they have many laws regulating the industry which makes them, regulating their purity, controlling their distribution, they are still a major source of drug overdose in this country.

Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Mrs Fernback, the war on drugs did not kill your daughter, your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education killed her.  Consuming half a gram of MDMA would kill most small frame people even if it were at 50% strength.  Just as overdoses of Benadryal and other medications kill young people frequently.  They die because they MISUSE THE DRUG NOT BECAUSE THE DRUGS AREN'T LEGAL AND AVAILABLE.
 
2014-06-24 07:59:12 AM

NFA: Consuming half a gram of MDMA would kill most small frame people even if it were at 50% strength.


500mg is nowhere near the LD50, at least not in mice (97mg/kg), rats (49mg/kg) or guinea pigs (98mg/kg).  It's certainly an heroic dose that could easy cause complications like hyperthermia which could prove fatal if unchecked, but 500mg shouldn't kill you.

TFA doesn't mention any autopsy results or tests on the substance, for all we know it could have been PMA or PMMA, 500mg of which would definitely be problematic.
 
2014-06-24 08:10:02 AM

NFA: What a load of shiat.

We already have legalized drugs in this country and while they have many laws regulating the industry which makes them, regulating their purity, controlling their distribution, they are still a major source of drug overdose in this country.

Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Mrs Fernback, the war on drugs did not kill your daughter, your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education killed her.  Consuming half a gram of MDMA would kill most small frame people even if it were at 50% strength.  Just as overdoses of Benadryal and other medications kill young people frequently.  They die because they MISUSE THE DRUG NOT BECAUSE THE DRUGS AREN'T LEGAL AND AVAILABLE.


That's pretty funny coming from a global-warming denier.
 
2014-06-24 08:13:19 AM
img.fark.net.......There, now hand me my coffee, cigs, beer and the medicinal, my glaucoma is acting up......
 
2014-06-24 08:13:30 AM
An argument to end the War on Drugs for reasons that it is a waste of money when compared with its ineffectiveness: makes sense.

An argument to end the War on Drugs because a mother refuses to take responsibility for bad parenting: Unfortunately expected now adays, but isn't logical.
 
2014-06-24 08:13:57 AM
HERO is right.
It is long past time to end the silly war on drugs.

Hell, even the feds have admitted that the states have the right to legalize drugs if they want.
Why else wouldn't they sue in federal court to block those new state laws?
Terrified that they would lose?
 
2014-06-24 08:15:01 AM

PunGent: NFA: What a load of shiat.

We already have legalized drugs in this country and while they have many laws regulating the industry which makes them, regulating their purity, controlling their distribution, they are still a major source of drug overdose in this country.

Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Mrs Fernback, the war on drugs did not kill your daughter, your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education killed her.  Consuming half a gram of MDMA would kill most small frame people even if it were at 50% strength.  Just as overdoses of Benadryal and other medications kill young people frequently.  They die because they MISUSE THE DRUG NOT BECAUSE THE DRUGS AREN'T LEGAL AND AVAILABLE.

That's pretty funny coming from a global-warming denier.


When you consider that drug education is about as effective as abstinence only education, it doesn't really make you wonder where the failure is.
 
2014-06-24 08:17:26 AM

NFA: What a load of shiat.


Your post certainly was. Thanks for the disclaimer.
 
2014-06-24 08:17:38 AM
Personal Responsibility.  It's not the governments fault your kid died.

Now we need to end the war on drugs and take that money and put it into drug education and treatment.

Legalize it all and let an educated public turn away from it.
 
2014-06-24 08:17:42 AM

namatad: HERO is right.
It is long past time to end the silly war on drugs.

Hell, even the feds have admitted that the states have the right to legalize drugs if they want.
Why else wouldn't they sue in federal court to block those new state laws?
Terrified that they would lose?


Meh. You can be correct about something for the wrong reason. The War on Drugs didn't kill her daughter. Her daughter killed her daughter. The War on Drugs is a huge boondoggle, but ending it won't magically grant wisdom to teenagers.
 
2014-06-24 08:18:18 AM
I hit the bong a couple times last night, then ate a box of cheez-its, then I fell asleep. I woke up about 2 hours later feeling like I had to puke and you know what? I puked! It looked like orange water. After a couple heaves I felt fine and went to bed. Now, after I've woken up and thought about ut, I'm a bit confused. I might've OD'd a bit and it's bumming me out... Just saying.

/true story
// if I have to quit cheez-its, I'll be pissed
///I did eat the whole box
 
2014-06-24 08:19:16 AM

NFA: your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education


A lack which existed because the "War on Drugs" has generated so much propaganda and misinformation, while creating an environment where people are afraid to ask questions.

/Legalize it
//Tax it
///Profit
 
2014-06-24 08:21:17 AM

PunGent: NFA: What a load of shiat.

We already have legalized drugs in this country and while they have many laws regulating the industry which makes them, regulating their purity, controlling their distribution, they are still a major source of drug overdose in this country.

Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Mrs Fernback, the war on drugs did not kill your daughter, your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education killed her.  Consuming half a gram of MDMA would kill most small frame people even if it were at 50% strength.  Just as overdoses of Benadryal and other medications kill young people frequently.  They die because they MISUSE THE DRUG NOT BECAUSE THE DRUGS AREN'T LEGAL AND AVAILABLE.

That's pretty funny coming from a global-warming denier.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-24 08:22:17 AM

GameSprocket: ending it won't magically grant wisdom to teenagers.


Yeah, but it will make them a hell of a lot more likely to use reputable intoxicants and seek medical attention in a timely fashion rather than just doing whatever they can find and keeping it a secret till someone's already dead.
 
2014-06-24 08:23:08 AM

NFA: Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.


Just curious.. how much of that is from the opiate and how much is the result of Tylenol frying your liver?
 
2014-06-24 08:25:25 AM
PunGent:

That's pretty funny coming from a global-warming denier.

Wonderful and insightful rebuttal.  Your debate teacher would be proud.
 
2014-06-24 08:26:02 AM
I always found it amusing that William Bennett went from running Reagan's war on education to the Bush's war on drugs.
 
2014-06-24 08:27:13 AM

ltdanman44: Personal Responsibility.  It's not the governments fault your kid died.

Now we need to end the war on drugs and take that money and put it into drug education and treatment.

Legalize it all and let an educated public turn away from it.


You basically said the same thing she did. Because it's illegal and buried under the rug there is no education or understanding about drugs, kids learn by trial and error. If you think that it's non-legal status causes deaths because it causes a lack of understanding then you're also saying the government is responsible. She can't be a responsible person for her child when the government expressly forbids her to be. She can't do the research on drugs and give her daughter drugs to teach her.


Already she has had a taste of how detached modern politicians can appear. A handwritten letter from her Tory MP, Nicola Blackwood, arrived recently at Cockburn's Oxford home; it was the response to a letter Martha had sent almost a year ago detailing her concerns about mental health provision for young people in the city.
"The MP had sent a handwritten letter to a dead teenager. She lives about a mile from here. Had she not heard of my daughter?" she said.


I think that's a bit harsh. A politician can't know when every one of her constituents dies. It was a reply to a letter written a year ago so there's evidently a backlog. The MP or their staff can't check everyone is still alive before replying.
 
2014-06-24 08:29:07 AM

Jorn the Younger: NFA: your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education

A lack which existed because the "War on Drugs" has generated so much propaganda and misinformation, while creating an environment where people are afraid to ask questions.

/Legalize it
//Tax it
///Profit


Which causes people to ignore the entire message because it's not credible. To this day, there are still ignorant public officials who continually equate pot with harder, way more dangerous drugs, legal and illegal. That fact that pot is still a Schedule 1 drug with "no legitimate medicinal purposes" is farcical and undermines the messages we are trying to send to kids about the dangers of taking drugs.
 
2014-06-24 08:29:21 AM

QueenMamaBee: NFA: Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Just curious.. how much of that is from the opiate and how much is the result of Tylenol frying your liver?


http://www.cdc.gov/features/vitalsigns/painkilleroverdoses/
 
2014-06-24 08:30:47 AM
FTA: On Thursday6 June thousands of people worldwide are expected to march in more than 80 cities, including London, to protest against the decades-long impact of Nixon's strategy which they blame for compromising health, triggering instability and mass incarceration.

So what you are saying is Tricky Dick farked up the whole world!?
 
2014-06-24 08:31:37 AM

NFA: What a load of shiat.

We already have legalized drugs in this country and while they have many laws regulating the industry which makes them, regulating their purity, controlling their distribution, they are still a major source of drug overdose in this country.

Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Mrs Fernback, the war on drugs did not kill your daughter, your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education killed her.  Consuming half a gram of MDMA would kill most small frame people even if it were at 50% strength.  Just as overdoses of Benadryal and other medications kill young people frequently.  They die because they MISUSE THE DRUG NOT BECAUSE THE DRUGS AREN'T LEGAL AND AVAILABLE.


Well maybe if we didn't take the same approach to drug education that we do to sex ed, kids wouldn't experiment, figure out that what they were told was bullshiat and then go nuts with things they don't understand because nobody told them the truth about why and how bad actual drugs are instead of saying "All drugs are bad and will instantly ruin your life if you take them."

That does nowhere near enough to equip someone to understand the actual consequences of taking something.
 
2014-06-24 08:32:37 AM

PunGent: NFA: What a load of shiat.

We already have legalized drugs in this country and while they have many laws regulating the industry which makes them, regulating their purity, controlling their distribution, they are still a major source of drug overdose in this country.

Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Mrs Fernback, the war on drugs did not kill your daughter, your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education killed her.  Consuming half a gram of MDMA would kill most small frame people even if it were at 50% strength.  Just as overdoses of Benadryal and other medications kill young people frequently.  They die because they MISUSE THE DRUG NOT BECAUSE THE DRUGS AREN'T LEGAL AND AVAILABLE.

That's pretty funny coming from a global-warming denier.


oh god don't kick that hornet's nest. I spent way too long yesterday arguing with climate change deniers and it made me lose hope for humanity
 
2014-06-24 08:33:36 AM
Drugs should not be illegal. Any of them. The role of government should soley be advisory, letting the populace know the risks. It is up to the individual as to wether or not these substances appeal to them. If someone wants something badly enough, they will get ahold of it. Making them illegal changes nothing, except in creating a black market where violent cartels run amok. You would think that Prohibition would have taught someone something.
 
2014-06-24 08:34:31 AM

NFA: your daughter's lack of understanding of science and drug education killed her.


Whose fault is that?   The folks at DARE and government educators tell our kids that marijuana is a horribly dangerous and highly addictive drug that leads mj addicts to eventually become addicted to crack and heroin and inevitably in a gutter dying.   When the kids find out later that they've been lied to by DARE and the government drug educators, they just end up discounting all of the information they were told.   Which is one reason why schools that use DARE programs have more kids addicted to drugs than schools that don't.   Your kids are better off not being told anything than to be told lies by the government.

Kids should be taught what recreational drugs are (and including alcohol and nicotine and caffeine) and their real dangers and benefits.   They should be taught about the risks of procuring illegal street drugs, both from an safety point of view, but also how getting caught will affect them later in life.   They should be taught that alcohol is far more deadly and dangerous than marijuana use is.   They should be told that alcohol kills hundreds of thousands of its users each year, while users of all the illegal drugs kill off about 3000 a year.

Using alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, or crack, or meth, or heroin a few times isn't likely to kill you or lead you down a path to the gutter.   A certain percentage of users of each will become addicted, but most users are social users that have normal jobs and go on to do many things.    Some illegal drug users even get to run for President of the United States and win!

Not to dismiss the dangers of addictions, because I've known many addicts of alcohol and methamphetamine and addiction can be a horrible and dreadful thing that can destroy your life if you don't get help.   But there is help available, and our kids should also be told about ways to fight addiction and how to tell if they might be addicted to alcohol or drugs.

/The War on (some) Drugs has always been a massive waste of money and a failure and it should be ended.
 
2014-06-24 08:36:07 AM

doglover: GameSprocket: ending it won't magically grant wisdom to teenagers.

Yeah, but it will make them a hell of a lot more likely to use reputable intoxicants and seek medical attention in a timely fashion rather than just doing whatever they can find and keeping it a secret till someone's already dead.


Like alcohol, right?

There are approximately 88,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.1 This makes excessive alcohol use the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for the nation.2 Excessive alcohol use is responsible for 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) annually, or an average of about 30 years of potential life lost for each death.1 In 2006, there were more than 1.2 million emergency room visits and 2.7 million physician office visits due to excessive drinking.3 The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2006 were estimated at $223.5 billion.3http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

I'm sure they are including everything from car accidents to liver failure. The best figure I found for direct alcohol poisoning deaths was 1,393 per year. I don't disagree that the War on Drugs needs to go, but to think that everyone will suddenly have great judgement about drugs is just crazy talk.
 
2014-06-24 08:37:10 AM

DaisyandSpot: QueenMamaBee: NFA: Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Just curious.. how much of that is from the opiate and how much is the result of Tylenol frying your liver?

http://www.cdc.gov/features/vitalsigns/painkilleroverdoses/


I didn't find anything there that told me what the drug breakdown was, just that "painkillers" is a class of drugs that includes opiates.
 
2014-06-24 08:38:13 AM
Meanwhile, a drug 10x more addictive than crack and responsible for 230,000 deaths in the U.S. each year is almost always added to the foods and drinks we consume.
 
2014-06-24 08:38:42 AM
the government!
 
2014-06-24 08:44:49 AM
Wait...so Richard Nixon somehow is responsible for this girl ODing in England?
 
2014-06-24 08:45:08 AM
NFA:

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.


I think you a word out.
 
2014-06-24 08:45:28 AM
Huh.  A half gram of MDMA at once?  Yeah, that seems like it would be kind of dangerous.
 
2014-06-24 08:48:19 AM

Slaxl: Because it's illegal and buried under the rug there is no education or understanding about drugs, kids learn by trial and error. If you think that it's non-legal status causes deaths because it causes a lack of understanding then you're also saying the government is responsible


that and regulation does help ensure standardized doses with instructions

nothing can stop a person from od'ing if they're trying to, but you don't accidentally od on painkillers because oops one of the pills is six times stronger than the other ones in the bottle
 
2014-06-24 08:49:54 AM

DaisyandSpot: QueenMamaBee: NFA: Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Just curious.. how much of that is from the opiate and how much is the result of Tylenol frying your liver?

http://www.cdc.gov/features/vitalsigns/painkilleroverdoses/


That told me absolutely nothing.
 
2014-06-24 08:52:51 AM
While I'm not a fan of drugs, I'd like to see the war on drugs be scrapped.  Before it, we'd claim how evil the USSR was with high percentages of its population jailed for dubious reasons.   Fast forward 20 years and the US has the lead by a sizable margin.

At the same time, does anyone know what sort of drug education might work?  The D.A.R.E. crap they foisted upon us when I was in school just made us even more aware and interested in drugs.  Drugs were available 100+ years ago.   How did they address it then?  There weren't too many people in my grandparents' generation who got caught up in drugs.
 
2014-06-24 08:53:59 AM

DaisyandSpot: PunGent:

That's pretty funny coming from a global-warming denier.

Wonderful and insightful rebuttal.  Your debate teacher would be proud.


Although not what could be taken as a rebuttal, It was pretty concise.
 
2014-06-24 08:55:21 AM

CodeMonkey4Life: DaisyandSpot: QueenMamaBee: NFA: Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Just curious.. how much of that is from the opiate and how much is the result of Tylenol frying your liver?

http://www.cdc.gov/features/vitalsigns/painkilleroverdoses/

I didn't find anything there that told me what the drug breakdown was, just that "painkillers" is a class of drugs that includes opiates.


All deaths are attributed to opioid overdose.  Follow the link in the story to the study: Overdose deaths involving opioid pain relievers (OPR)
 
2014-06-24 08:55:52 AM

sprawl15: Slaxl: Because it's illegal and buried under the rug there is no education or understanding about drugs, kids learn by trial and error. If you think that it's non-legal status causes deaths because it causes a lack of understanding then you're also saying the government is responsible

that and regulation does help ensure standardized doses with instructions

nothing can stop a person from od'ing if they're trying to, but you don't accidentally od on painkillers because oops one of the pills is six times stronger than the other ones in the bottle


We don't even regulate "dietary supplements" in this country. If drugs are not marketed as a treatment for a medical condition, the FDA won't do much to regulate them.
 
2014-06-24 08:57:36 AM

GameSprocket: We don't even regulate "dietary supplements" in this country


http://www.fda.gov/Food/Dietarysupplements/default.htm
 
2014-06-24 08:58:02 AM

reillan: Meanwhile, a drug 10x more addictive than crack and responsible for 230,000 deaths in the U.S. each year is almost always added to the foods and drinks we consume.


?
 
2014-06-24 08:58:20 AM

DaisyandSpot: CodeMonkey4Life: DaisyandSpot: QueenMamaBee: NFA: Despite government and medical regulation of their production and distribution, Painkiller overdose deaths have tripled since 1990.

Nearly 40 American's die every single day from regulated and legal painkillers.  For every one of those deaths there are about 800 overdoses which do not result in death.

Just curious.. how much of that is from the opiate and how much is the result of Tylenol frying your liver?

http://www.cdc.gov/features/vitalsigns/painkilleroverdoses/

I didn't find anything there that told me what the drug breakdown was, just that "painkillers" is a class of drugs that includes opiates.

All deaths are attributed to opioid overdose.  Follow the link in the story to the study: Overdose deaths involving opioid pain relievers (OPR)


http://www.propublica.org/article/tylenol-mcneil-fda-use-only-as-dir ec ted
 
2014-06-24 08:59:59 AM

reillan: Meanwhile, a drug 10x more addictive than crack and responsible for 230,000 deaths in the U.S. each year is almost always added to the foods and drinks we consume.


Swank?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-06-24 09:02:05 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Wait...so Richard Nixon somehow is responsible for this girl ODing in England?


By proxy, pretty much yes. The USA is the shining beacon for draconian drug laws. One of the main reasons why federal officials are freaking out about the legalization in states. Countries are looking at us going "We followed your actions on the War on Drugs, were you full of shiat this whole time?"
 
2014-06-24 09:03:47 AM

Veloram: Drugs should not be illegal. Any of them. The role of government should soley be advisory, letting the populace know the risks. It is up to the individual as to wether or not these substances appeal to them. If someone wants something badly enough, they will get ahold of it. Making them illegal changes nothing, except in creating a black market where violent cartels run amok. You would think that Prohibition would have taught someone something.


And let's not forget the whole aspect of defiance.  Censor a book from a library, and I will head to Amazon to buy it, and take it to a park to read aloud.  And I'm an adult, peaceable by nature, but telling me something is bad for me, just pisses me off.  Tell a kid they can't cuss, and watch them start dropping the f-bomb.  Teens are going to experiment, be it with drugs, sex, or rock and roll.  My kid can learn about alcohol consumption at my dinner table, but if I try to teach them about responsible chemical usage, I end up in front of a judge and my kids end up with strangers.  You can't legislate morality, but damned if the government won't keep trying.
 
2014-06-24 09:04:26 AM

JoieD'Zen: reillan: Meanwhile, a drug 10x more addictive than crack and responsible for 230,000 deaths in the U.S. each year is almost always added to the foods and drinks we consume.

?


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-06-24 09:09:05 AM
Good luck, we're all counting on you.
 
2014-06-24 09:09:08 AM

sprawl15: GameSprocket: We don't even regulate "dietary supplements" in this country

http://www.fda.gov/Food/Dietarysupplements/default.htm


From your link:
FDA regulates both finished dietary supplement products and dietary ingredients. FDA regulates dietary supplements under a different set of regulations than those covering "conventional" foods and drug products. Under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA):
Manufacturers and distributors of dietary supplements and dietary ingredients are prohibited from marketing products that are adulterated or misbranded.  That means that these firms are responsible for evaluating the safety and labeling of their products before marketing to ensure that they meet all the requirements of DSHEA and FDA regulations.

FDA is responsible for taking action against any adulterated or misbranded dietary supplement product after it reaches the market.


As long as the bottle contains what it says it contains, the FDA stays out of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_Supplement_Health_and_Education _A ct_of_1994
 
2014-06-24 09:10:02 AM

Sean M: While I'm not a fan of drugs, I'd like to see the war on drugs be scrapped.  Before it, we'd claim how evil the USSR was with high percentages of its population jailed for dubious reasons.   Fast forward 20 years and the US has the lead by a sizable margin.

At the same time, does anyone know what sort of drug education might work?  The D.A.R.E. crap they foisted upon us when I was in school just made us even more aware and interested in drugs.  Drugs were available 100+ years ago.   How did they address it then?  There weren't too many people in my grandparents' generation who got caught up in drugs.


wp.pharmacytechs.net
Pretty much like that.
 
2014-06-24 09:11:19 AM

reillan: Meanwhile, a drug 10x more addictive than crack and responsible for 230,000 deaths in the U.S. each year is almost always added to the foods and drinks we consume.


Bacon?
 
2014-06-24 09:12:12 AM

Sean M: At the same time, does anyone know what sort of drug education might work? The D.A.R.E. crap they foisted upon us when I was in school just made us even more aware and interested in drugs. Drugs were available 100+ years ago. How did they address it then? There weren't too many people in my grandparents' generation who got caught up in drugs.


In Canada, where I grew up and thankfully still live, our drug education wasn't that spiffy about 30 years ago either.  I distinctly remember a police officer coming to our schools once a year and not flat out saying that pot was as bad as heroin, but definitely implying it.

/As well as insinuating that those dastardly drug dealers mixed dog poop to cut their pure product
//If you're going to educate kids, you might as well not tell blatantly obvious lies... it kinda damages your credibility
 
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