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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Bootstrappy Texas wants to eliminate medical licensing for 18 healthcare positions, including respiratory therapy, X-ray technicians, and medical physicists who calibrate MRI machines and other radiologic equipment   ( wfaa.com) divider line
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2014-06-23 08:10:10 PM  
WTF?

In Texas, guys who snake out your shiatter line have to be licensed as PLUMBERS even if they never actually do any plumbing.

I'd be willing to bet any farkwad that votes YES for this, and ends up in a hospital, will damn well make sure  whoever's shoving a tube up their ass is licensed to do it!
 
2014-06-23 08:37:23 PM  
People will go to the doctor that doesn't accidentally kill them for fun and profit

Let the free market work here people.  Think of all the jobs that this will create.  It will save millions in paying for doctors.  All they'll do is use that money to pay off their "education" and buy "periodicals" with "medical research" and pay for "licensing" from "a board" that can "certify" they actually "know what the f*ck they're doing"

Checkmate Libulardos
 
2014-06-23 09:36:15 PM  
I calibrate MRI equipment and x-ray and I am not licensed, so I am getting a kick out of these replies.
This might be a shocker to you all but most people who service electronic equipment are not licensed, there is no overall regulatory body, such as plumbers have.

There are regulations regarding the training on equipment but no license required.
I have a college diploma in Electronic Technology, from there the OEMs and sometimes outside schools train you on specific equipment.

The people who run tests on you are usually licensed by their governing bodies.

Oh and physicists don't usually calibrate electronic equipment, they usually just test it to determine whether it passes government regulations.
 
2014-06-23 09:40:42 PM  
I don't think those lines of work require licensure in many states. I'm not getting the outrage. My mother was a respiratory therapist for years and I don't recall that she was required to have one.
 
2014-06-23 10:36:15 PM  
I'm gonna go to one of these fly by night x-ray techs and get superpowers
 
2014-06-23 11:48:25 PM  

markie_farkie: WTF?

In Texas, guys who snake out your shiatter line have to be licensed as PLUMBERS even if they never actually do any plumbing.

I'd be willing to bet any farkwad that votes YES for this, and ends up in a hospital, will damn well make sure  whoever's shoving a tube up their ass is licensed to do it!


People who cut hair have to be licensed.  Let that sink in for a moment.  Minimum wage hair stylists have to be licensed but the person who calibrates MRIs does not?
 
2014-06-24 12:25:15 AM  

Ambivalence: markie_farkie: WTF?

In Texas, guys who snake out your shiatter line have to be licensed as PLUMBERS even if they never actually do any plumbing.

I'd be willing to bet any farkwad that votes YES for this, and ends up in a hospital, will damn well make sure  whoever's shoving a tube up their ass is licensed to do it!

People who cut hair have to be licensed.  Let that sink in for a moment.  Minimum wage hair stylists have to be licensed but the person who calibrates MRIs does not?


In many cases, it's done more to keep people out of the profession. A recent SCOTUS case dealt with a monopoly on coffin sales in Louisiana and the regulation was struck down.

Realize also that cosmetology regulations usually require between 1500 and 2000 hours of study. It's usually less than 100 for an armed security guard
 
2014-06-24 01:00:54 AM  
Might as well. The agencies have no power anyway. I had a complaint against a plumber and they did absolutely nothing.
 
2014-06-24 01:16:26 AM  
http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2007/07/Medical_Protectionism.html

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.

...

The only advantage of state licensing over private rating is that licenses are administered by the state, and the state makes it illegal for anyone who doesn't have a license to practice. State power is used to artificially reduce competition, thereby increasing the incomes of the smaller number of practitioners. They tell you it's for safety, but it's really protectionism."
 
2014-06-24 01:18:05 AM  
As many of you that dislike it...will make me like it and understand it more
 
2014-06-24 01:22:49 AM  
Just because a job is tangentially connected to medicine doesn't mean the people who do it need to know anything about medicine.  I don't expect the mechanics who service the ambulances to have any medical training.  Nor the plumber who fixes the toilet.  Or the copier repair tech.  Similarly, the MRI repair dude/chick needs to know how to fix the MRI machine, not have any kind of certification in medical whathoosery.
 
2014-06-24 01:24:27 AM  
"We do jest fahn weth whiskey fer the pain. Problem breathing? Suck it up you ornery coward"
 
2014-06-24 01:24:30 AM  

Gestankfaust: As many of you that dislike it...will make me like it and understand it more


So far it seems to be about half and half. How are you going to be contrarian if there's no consensus?
 
2014-06-24 01:24:46 AM  

duncan_bayne: http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2007/07/Medical_Protectionism.html

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.

...

The only advantage of state licensing over private rating is that licenses are administered by the state, and the state makes it illegal for anyone who doesn't have a license to practice. State power is used to artificially reduce competition, thereby increasing the incomes of the smaller number of practitioners. They tell you it's for safety, but it's really protectionism."


What disingenuous claptrap.  Government licensing comes with equal protection and due process guarantees while private rating does not.  Neither does private rating provide any protection against reducing competition- it's just as possible to use private certification to limit entry into a profession or protect the public from self serving practices by industry.  Ask anyone who counts cards at a casino- something which is absolutely legal but will get you banned from casinos by private action.

How do I know that private regulation of medical practice fails?  Read some history and learn about the era of patent medicines and medical quackery.
 
2014-06-24 01:26:03 AM  

fusillade762: Gestankfaust: As many of you that dislike it...will make me like it and understand it more

So far it seems to be about half and half. How are you going to be contrarian if there's no consensus?


It will result in an argument between himself. At which point he will have to mediate and prevent the inevitable pistol duel at dawn on his own lawn where he will sue himself for not stopping himself from dueling himself.
 
2014-06-24 01:26:04 AM  
I don't see a problem with this.  Gov. Rick Perry's sister is retarded, and she's a pilot now.
 
2014-06-24 01:26:22 AM  

grokca: I calibrate MRI equipment and x-ray and I am not licensed, so I am getting a kick out of these replies.
This might be a shocker to you all but most people who service electronic equipment are not licensed, there is no overall regulatory body, such as plumbers have.

There are regulations regarding the training on equipment but no license required.
I have a college diploma in Electronic Technology, from there the OEMs and sometimes outside schools train you on specific equipment.

The people who run tests on you are usually licensed by their governing bodies.

Oh and physicists don't usually calibrate electronic equipment, they usually just test it to determine whether it passes government regulations.


Pretty much this. Licenses just aren't crucial to this line of work--careful hiring procesures are. Make sure the right person has the position and who cares what licenses the have? In that line of work, they've certainly gone to school for long enough to know what they're doing. Licenses serve to let people know that a person is competent at their profession. Certain diplomas speak much louder than any license ever could.
 
2014-06-24 01:26:31 AM  
It is very hard for a lot of people to imagine a world where you don't have to ask the government's permission to do everything.
 
2014-06-24 01:29:40 AM  
If they'd just give me the pictures they take at the airport then I wouldn't need to go to the doctor anyway.
 
2014-06-24 01:32:43 AM  

taurusowner: It is very hard for a lot of people to imagine a world where you don't have to ask the government's permission to do everything.


Get out of our fertilizer plants, Fartbongo!!!

abcnews.go.com
 
2014-06-24 01:32:47 AM  

Nabb1: I don't think those lines of work require licensure in many states. I'm not getting the outrage. My mother was a respiratory therapist for years and I don't recall that she was required to have one.


Well, I'm not surprised. How much training do you need to say, "Breath in, breathe out. Now breathe in, deeply. Breathe out. Good job! Keep doing that just the same."
 
2014-06-24 01:32:49 AM  
But after someone gets enough radiation we can have the Adult Swim superhero Captain Texas.
 
2014-06-24 01:34:04 AM  
Good evening.  Alberta here.  Any pinhead with a claw hammer and a handful of finishing nails can re-shingle your house or install siding.  With predicable results.
 
2014-06-24 01:36:45 AM  
Good news if you've been stripped of your license in another state for incompetence ... there's a new market open.
 
2014-06-24 01:37:16 AM  
I can calibrate your radioshack logicprobe.  I got the manual right here.

Hold my beer.

www.eserviceinfo.com
 
2014-06-24 01:38:18 AM  
www.humanevents.com

They're calling it the Texas Miracle.
 
2014-06-24 01:38:52 AM  

markie_farkie: WTF?

In Texas, guys who snake out your shiatter line have to be licensed as PLUMBERS even if they never actually do any plumbing.

I'd be willing to bet any farkwad that votes YES for this, and ends up in a hospital, will damn well make sure  whoever's shoving a tube up their ass is licensed to do it!


And the Plumber's Guild (or whatever they are) should not be allowed to have a monopoly on snaking out shiatter lines.

I bet I could learn to calibrate an MRI machine in 1 hour.  I'd bet you a dollar.
 
2014-06-24 01:43:03 AM  
ArkAngel:

Realize also that cosmetology regulations usually require between 1500 and 2000 hours of study. It's usually less than 100 for an armed security guard

I don't care about an untrained rent-a-cop accidentally shooting me one day, as long as my hair looks good.
 
2014-06-24 01:46:15 AM  

duncan_bayne: http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2007/07/Medical_Protectionism.html

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.


Same in CA.  I lost a contact lens years ago and couldn't order a new one without a fresh prescription.  (My eyesight is too bad for soft disposables so I only had the one pair.)  Now  I know my prescription hadn't changed because I've been wearing corrective lenses since I was 5 and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know when it's time for a new prescription.  When things get fuzzy in one or more eyes, it's time for a new prescription.  But nope.  I can't just use my prescription from 14 months ago, order a lens, and have it shipped overnight to my office.  That would be logical.  And good luck getting an appointment with an experienced bat whisperer on short notice.  "Will next Thursday work for you?"
 
2014-06-24 01:50:33 AM  

GORDON: And the Plumber's Guild (or whatever they are) should not be allowed to have a monopoly on snaking out shiatter lines.

I bet I could learn to calibrate an MRI machine in 1 hour.  I'd bet you a dollar.


Licensing is not the same as Union Representation, you stupid fark.
 
2014-06-24 01:51:37 AM  

GORDON: markie_farkie: WTF?

In Texas, guys who snake out your shiatter line have to be licensed as PLUMBERS even if they never actually do any plumbing.

I'd be willing to bet any farkwad that votes YES for this, and ends up in a hospital, will damn well make sure  whoever's shoving a tube up their ass is licensed to do it!

And the Plumber's Guild (or whatever they are) should not be allowed to have a monopoly on snaking out shiatter lines.

I bet I could learn to calibrate an MRI machine in 1 hour.  I'd bet you a dollar.


mrimetaldetector.com

*clank*
 
2014-06-24 01:53:15 AM  

jtown: duncan_bayne: http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2007/07/Medical_Protectionism.html

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.

Same in CA.  I lost a contact lens years ago and couldn't order a new one without a fresh prescription.  (My eyesight is too bad for soft disposables so I only had the one pair.)  Now  I know my prescription hadn't changed because I've been wearing corrective lenses since I was 5 and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know when it's time for a new prescription.  When things get fuzzy in one or more eyes, it's time for a new prescription.  But nope.  I can't just use my prescription from 14 months ago, order a lens, and have it shipped overnight to my office.  That would be logical.  And good luck getting an appointment with an experienced bat whisperer on short notice.  "Will next Thursday work for you?"


You sound like the lame-brains during the health care debate who were yelling "I'm young and don't need health care!".

Bull, you're cheaping out, because you know you could end up needing it any time due to something completely outside of your control.

You should have your eyes check regularly. You know that. Anyone with eye problems knows that. What is the big issue with doing it?
 
2014-06-24 01:53:39 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-24 01:57:40 AM  
Guvment regulations again!!!  OOOOOO That sneaky Obama
 
2014-06-24 01:59:27 AM  

ArkAngel: Realize also that cosmetology regulations usually require between 1500 and 2000 hours of study. It's usually less than 100 for an armed security guard


That is pretty ridiculous, though still better than a lot of states. I do actually support licensing for armed security guards as part of that job can involve use of force or detention on citizens. That sort of authority to temporarily supersede civil rights in certain circumstances should absolutely require extensive training. I know that in Michigan, no trained whatsoever is necessary to become an armed guard beyond having a Concealed Pistol License. Many many moons ago I was an armed security guard in MI, and I can tell you that pretty mcuh every security outfit I encountered was a disorganized shiat-show. When I moved to Texas, I actually took the Security II-IV (there is no I level anymore) classes as I wasn't sure how long it would take to get hired as a cop again. The training is certainly better than nothing and the school I went to was pretty thorough. But it's still very minimal. It's hard to believe that hair-cutting requires a license at all, and I really don't think it should.
 
2014-06-24 02:04:42 AM  
Upstairs Medical School of Hollywood, here I come!
 
2014-06-24 02:16:40 AM  

ArkAngel: Realize also that cosmetology regulations usually require between 1500 and 2000 hours of study. It's usually less than 100 for an armed security guard


Yuyup, that's insane.
 
2014-06-24 02:17:31 AM  
I really don't give a shiat if any of the people in those positions tests positive for weed, so I'm ok with this.
 
2014-06-24 02:19:35 AM  
And yet a fully licensed and qualified physician can't provide an abortion unless she has admitting privileges at a hospital. Because it's all about patient safety, of course.
 
2014-06-24 02:20:40 AM  

saintstryfe: jtown: duncan_bayne: http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2007/07/Medical_Protectionism.html

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.

Same in CA.  I lost a contact lens years ago and couldn't order a new one without a fresh prescription.  (My eyesight is too bad for soft disposables so I only had the one pair.)  Now  I know my prescription hadn't changed because I've been wearing corrective lenses since I was 5 and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know when it's time for a new prescription.  When things get fuzzy in one or more eyes, it's time for a new prescription.  But nope.  I can't just use my prescription from 14 months ago, order a lens, and have it shipped overnight to my office.  That would be logical.  And good luck getting an appointment with an experienced bat whisperer on short notice.  "Will next Thursday work for you?"

You sound like the lame-brains during the health care debate who were yelling "I'm young and don't need health care!".

Bull, you're cheaping out, because you know you could end up needing it any time due to something completely outside of your control.

You should have your eyes check regularly. You know that. Anyone with eye problems knows that. What is the big issue with doing it?


Perhaps, but having "your spell check" should be done even more often.
 
2014-06-24 02:24:33 AM  
Wife used to work in the respiratory field.  Their standards were so low to get your liecnse that even if you took the test and passed and took in in Texas, no other state would accept the score.  Way to go Texas, screw your other health care professionals while screwing the patients at the same time.
 
2014-06-24 02:28:27 AM  
duncan_bayne:

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.

www.zennioptical.com

They don't care how recent your scrip is as long as you can type it in the form provided. Cheap too, and the quality's decent.
 
2014-06-24 02:29:35 AM  

thisisarepeat: saintstryfe: jtown: duncan_bayne: http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2007/07/Medical_Protectionism.html

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.

Same in CA.  I lost a contact lens years ago and couldn't order a new one without a fresh prescription.  (My eyesight is too bad for soft disposables so I only had the one pair.)  Now  I know my prescription hadn't changed because I've been wearing corrective lenses since I was 5 and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know when it's time for a new prescription.  When things get fuzzy in one or more eyes, it's time for a new prescription.  But nope.  I can't just use my prescription from 14 months ago, order a lens, and have it shipped overnight to my office.  That would be logical.  And good luck getting an appointment with an experienced bat whisperer on short notice.  "Will next Thursday work for you?"

You sound like the lame-brains during the health care debate who were yelling "I'm young and don't need health care!".

Bull, you're cheaping out, because you know you could end up needing it any time due to something completely outside of your control.

You should have your eyes check regularly. You know that. Anyone with eye problems knows that. What is the big issue with doing it?

Perhaps, but having "your spell check" should be done even more often.


Oh good. I wasn't the only one wondering what exactly your eyes were supposed to be checking regularly.  Besides bikini clad women on the beach. Or is it well-toned men. I can't tell gender on fark usually. Whatever floats your boat.
 
2014-06-24 02:30:07 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Wife used to work in the respiratory field.  Their standards were so low to get your liecnse that even if you took the test and passed and took in in Texas, no other state would accept the score.  Way to go Texas, screw your other health care professionals while screwing the patients at the same time.


Its an RT for farks sake.  Its like a CMA that can do long division if given a calculator.

"Here's your C-pap, strap this shiat on and push the big button in the middle, I'd explain more but my pay rate is $15/hr so if I don't take a four hour nap in my company provided 1995 ford ranger I won't feel properly appreciated"
 
2014-06-24 02:31:12 AM  
For the record I am an evil conservative republican pagan.  I'll be the first one to say that less government is better.  However, there are legitimate functions of government.  Regulating medical practice seems pretty well established as one of them.  This sounds like a totally stupid idea.  I think it would open the door to untrained people (along with cheap illegal labor) makes for a scary combination.  I can just imagine some of these hospitals or nursing homes exploiting illegal aliens, while still charging people top dollar for treatment.  A free market is a great thing, but without a strong commitment to ethics, it's a set up for a greater failure.  If you fail at snaking out a pipe, you get crap where you don't want it.  If you fail at sticking a tube in someone, they die.  Seems like there is a valid excuse for regulating medical stuff.

NOW, if you want to pay an illegal alien to get elbow deep in sewage and not pay the union rate, I'm OK with that.
 
2014-06-24 02:31:15 AM  

saintstryfe: jtown: duncan_bayne: http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2007/07/Medical_Protectionism.html

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.

Same in CA.  I lost a contact lens years ago and couldn't order a new one without a fresh prescription.  (My eyesight is too bad for soft disposables so I only had the one pair.)  Now  I know my prescription hadn't changed because I've been wearing corrective lenses since I was 5 and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know when it's time for a new prescription.  When things get fuzzy in one or more eyes, it's time for a new prescription.  But nope.  I can't just use my prescription from 14 months ago, order a lens, and have it shipped overnight to my office.  That would be logical.  And good luck getting an appointment with an experienced bat whisperer on short notice.  "Will next Thursday work for you?"

You sound like the lame-brains during the health care debate who were yelling "I'm young and don't need health care!".

Bull, you're cheaping out, because you know you could end up needing it any time due to something completely outside of your control.

You should have your eyes check regularly. You know that. Anyone with eye problems knows that. What is the big issue with doing it?


I don't think it is a case of the prescription changing as much as it it a case of making sure your eyes are healthy. Like checking for things like glaucoma n whatnot. That's how they get you...bastards!
 
2014-06-24 02:31:23 AM  

taurusowner: It's hard to believe that hair-cutting requires a license at all, and I really don't think it should.


Well, as to that, you are working with sharp blades and potentially harmful chemicals around another persons head. For a simple buzz and a trim, you're probably right, but for dying, bleaching or shaving with a straight razor some kind of credentials seem to be in order. There's also some sanitary issues to consider. However, 1500 hours seems a bit ridiculous. Probably a bit of regulatory capture there.
 
2014-06-24 02:34:10 AM  

stan unusual: How do I know that private regulation of medical practice fails? Read some history and learn about the era of patent medicines and medical quackery.


How do I know that public regulation of medical practice fails? Read some history and learn about the life-improving and -saving treatments potentially beneficial to millions that aren't available (sublingual immunotherapy) or obscenely expensive (hearing aids) for no reason at all besides regulatory suffocation.
 
2014-06-24 02:35:53 AM  

wraith95: For a simple buzz and a trim, you're probably right, but for dying, bleaching or shaving with a straight razor some kind of credentials seem to be in order. There's also some sanitary issues to consider. However, 1500 hours seems a bit ridiculous. Probably a bit of regulatory capture there.


In Texas, at least, there are multiple certifications in the field, and a hairstylist's license doesn't cover shaves, which require a barber's license. And for perspective on that "bit": 1500 hours is the same as a 4-year college degree. To cut hair.
 
2014-06-24 02:36:29 AM  

cwolf20: thisisarepeat: saintstryfe: jtown: duncan_bayne: http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2007/07/Medical_Protectionism.html

"One of my co-workers broke his glasses yesterday. He couldn't get them replaced immediately because of a Washington state law (I don't know whether Oregon has a similar law) that you cannot buy eyeglasses without a recent prescription. He hadn't been to an optometrist in a long time, and didn't have one.

Same in CA.  I lost a contact lens years ago and couldn't order a new one without a fresh prescription.  (My eyesight is too bad for soft disposables so I only had the one pair.)  Now  I know my prescription hadn't changed because I've been wearing corrective lenses since I was 5 and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know when it's time for a new prescription.  When things get fuzzy in one or more eyes, it's time for a new prescription.  But nope.  I can't just use my prescription from 14 months ago, order a lens, and have it shipped overnight to my office.  That would be logical.  And good luck getting an appointment with an experienced bat whisperer on short notice.  "Will next Thursday work for you?"

You sound like the lame-brains during the health care debate who were yelling "I'm young and don't need health care!".

Bull, you're cheaping out, because you know you could end up needing it any time due to something completely outside of your control.

You should have your eyes check regularly. You know that. Anyone with eye problems knows that. What is the big issue with doing it?

Perhaps, but having "your spell check" should be done even more often.

Oh good. I wasn't the only one wondering what exactly your eyes were supposed to be checking regularly.  Besides bikini clad women on the beach. Or is it well-toned men. I can't tell gender on fark usually. Whatever floats your boat.


People with "educations" in the healthcare field that would have failed my high school human anatomy class usually get my motor running.
 
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