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2014-06-23 09:33:00 PM  

skozlaw: MoP was actually a decent xpac. Not BC or Wrath level quality, but decent and far better than that sorry mess they called Cataclysm. Not having to grind raid gear on every character just to be able to join up for raids you already had access to on other toons was a nice touch.

Too bad nobody plays anymore. It was unusual when I went back to see more than 1 page of level 90 weapons on the AH, for example, and it was pretty standard to not see more than about a dozen level 90s in any city but Org, and even then you'd see maybe 30 at peak times.

Blizzard claims they're merging low pop realms, but in typical fashion several never actually happened even though they said they would. I got sick of being strung alomg after about 6 weeks of no new news. I swear they're actively trying to kill that game sometimes. If Blizzard weren't such a shiatty, arbitrary company I'd have spent far more on WoW than I did. As it stands, between lag frustration quits, patch problem quits and various other issues I wound up paying for something like only 32 months between Oct. 2007 and now. And since my off times overlapped heavily with xpacs, I don't think I ever paid more than 19.99 for any of them.


They are in a jam. They can never create a WoW2 because they have millions still on their first game. That game is shrinking and will never grow again.
 
2014-06-23 09:52:25 PM  

wildcardjack: WoW uses the same game model as Scientology. Invest loads of time and money in order to level up while cutting yourself off from outside influences.


lol what ?
load of money?
um no, not really, it is pretty much the same price for everyone.
un like $cientology, which requires exponentially more money to reach higher levels
 
2014-06-23 09:58:37 PM  
UO was great fun.  I used to get PK'd all the time by some gangsters who I swear to God always knew where to find me when I was farming (usually at that graveyard with the lich spawn).  I was finally able to hide pretty well, and so my toon developed pretty well (I cannot remember the leveling system and the reputation system very well).

One day, I cast that spell reflection spell on myself, teleported to the graveyard, and one of the PK's was there.  He LOL's, casts Corp Por or whatever it was on me, and promptly kills himself.  I took all his stuff, and waited for his ghost to come back to his corpse.  Ooo ooooo oo oooo!!!  LMAO
 
2014-06-23 09:59:04 PM  

Nemo's Brother: They are in a jam. They can never create a WoW2 because they have millions still on their first game. That game is shrinking and will never grow again.


yes no sort of
the game is in many ways, radically different than vanilla. Changes were made as the player community grew and changed.

You can easily argue that we are currently playing wow 3.0 or 5.0, depending on where you draw the lines.
Vanilla and BC were very similar when it came to leveling, playing and raiding.
The next 3 expansions changed raiding and type of raiding, as the playing community changed.

Was blizz working on a NEW game titan or something?
Not sure what WoW2 would have that would make it any different than the current expansions.

Bringing back old players? Meh, that already happens. People come back all the time, remember why they left - aka - wanting more free time in RL, and leave again.

The best part over the years was watching people leave to play the next wow killer, and watching how quick they came back.
 
2014-06-23 10:05:21 PM  

namatad: wildcardjack: WoW uses the same game model as Scientology. Invest loads of time and money in order to level up while cutting yourself off from outside influences.

lol what ?
load of money?
um no, not really, it is pretty much the same price for everyone.
un like $cientology, which requires exponentially more money to reach higher levels


Sure, but can you buy a special Body Thetan in the online store for $25 which includes a $5 donation to a charity dujour?

/or scratch-off loot cards in Walmart?
 
2014-06-23 10:32:04 PM  
World of Womanlessness
 
2014-06-23 11:12:48 PM  
Hey, now what's wrong with that?

I can think of worse ways to spend 4,000 hours then following a fat panda around picking flowers,,,

/kill me
 
2014-06-23 11:38:37 PM  

saintstryfe: skozlaw: Too bad nobody plays anymore. It was unusual when I went back to see more than 1 page of level 90 weapons on the AH, for example, and it was pretty standard to not see more than about a dozen level 90s in any city but Org, and even then you'd see maybe 30 at peak times.

part of it is that the weapon plans for blacksmiths were gated behind the rather challenging Klaxxi rep, and were rather low level (464 at launch) - you could get equal weapons from Questing or Dungeons. So weapon creation was not important. Later on they gave plans for 502 weapons (with classic TBC models) but then 5.4 rendered them moot when you could get nearly as good weapons just for grinding the Timeless Isle, which is easily solo-able. And honestly if you can do Timeless Isle, you can handle ToT LFR, where you can get better weapons for free.

/still make good money selling those 502 weapons to, I assume, lazy people.


The rep grind to get most of the useful stuff was what finally killed the game for me. Making it so that you no longer got rep from running dungeons turned playing time into a mass of daily quests... that everyone else was also doing.
 
2014-06-23 11:53:51 PM  

clarksvegas: Eric Cartman:  What the hell are you guys doing? Don't tell me you all quit playing World of Warcraft, too?

Stan Marsh: Dude, we're done! We're sick of getting killed all the time!

Eric Cartman: Guys! When things look bad you can't just give up on the World... of Warcraft...

Kyle: We don't have a choice, dude. That guy killed our characters 14 times.

Eric Cartman: I have a solution, you guys. That guy can kill us so easily because he's a super-highlevel, right? But if we were super-highlevel, too...?

Stan Marsh: We can't get to a higher level because that dude doesn't let us finish quests!

Eric Cartman: That's why we need to just log in and stay in the forest, killing boars...

Kyle: Boars...?

Eric Cartman: There's lots of computer-generated boars in Warcraft that die with just one blow...

Kyle:  Dude! Boars are only worth two experience points a piece. Do you know how many we would have to kill to get up 30 levels?

Eric Cartman:  Yes. 65,340,285, which should take us 7 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours and 20 minutes, giving ourselves 3 hours a night to sleep. What do you say, guys? You can jus... you can just hang outside in the sun all day tossing a ball around. Or you can sit at your computer and do something that matters...

/can't believe noone thought of this first.
//you slack asses..


LIVE TO WIN!
 
2014-06-23 11:57:16 PM  

namatad: Was blizz working on a NEW game titan or something?


http://kotaku.com/whats-up-with-blizzards-project-titan-1570298007
 
2014-06-24 01:16:49 AM  
I still don't understand how WoW is supposed to be "fun".
 It's like everybody bought the "World of Warcraft Strategy Guide", and simply follows the steps. There seems to be almost no real skill involved.
 
2014-06-24 01:57:46 AM  

realmolo: I still don't understand how WoW is supposed to be "fun".
 It's like everybody bought the "World of Warcraft Strategy Guide", and simply follows the steps. There seems to be almost no real skill involved.


The only skill is in managing a raid group (I'm amazed 40 mans even happened back in the day).  The rest is just having to know when to move, when to stay still, and have enough damage output.

All the bosses have a pattern, once you learn that pattern, it's cake (again assuming you have the DPS to take it down before the enrage timer hits and you wipe).
 
2014-06-24 02:12:29 AM  

meat0918: I'd ask why, but as I am currently grind mats and selling them and bags on the AH in rift to fund plat purchases of credits, well, we all set silly goals in games.

//Already spent the $5 to unlock the AH.


I play Rift too, but only about 4-6 hours a week. I'm trying to be reasonable about it  LOL (used to play WOW about 6 hours a day up until I quit about 4 years ago.)
 
2014-06-24 08:06:57 AM  

skozlaw: Too bad nobody plays anymore


Until they have an age limit, I won't play that game anymore.  I just can't stand all the tweens doing tween things (d00d, i'm da best!) and basically just being idiots, ruining the experience for real people.

Maybe they could try copying the old EQ model of leaving your corpse to rot when you die, with naked player respawns.  Add in some actual danger, and the kids would flee in droves to something easier.
 
2014-06-24 08:11:34 AM  
Did he go out and kill a bunch of girls that didn't sleep with him?  CNN says people who play WOW will do that.
 
2014-06-24 08:36:04 AM  

meat0918: realmolo: I still don't understand how WoW is supposed to be "fun".
 It's like everybody bought the "World of Warcraft Strategy Guide", and simply follows the steps. There seems to be almost no real skill involved.

The only skill is in managing a raid group (I'm amazed 40 mans even happened back in the day).  The rest is just having to know when to move, when to stay still, and have enough damage output.

All the bosses have a pattern, once you learn that pattern, it's cake (again assuming you have the DPS to take it down before the enrage timer hits and you wipe).


Pvp takes a lot of skill, too, depending on the class. I have a feeling its going to change significantly in warlords, though.
 
2014-06-24 10:59:36 AM  
South Park did it:

img1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-06-24 11:19:35 AM  
So, to ask a REALLY dumb question -- mainly because I expect to never play WOW or any other MMORPG (addictive personality, don't want to go down that road):

If someone started to play WOW right now, how much of the original game would they miss?  I expect that at least some of the original gameplay, or parts of early expansion packs et al would be obsolete or removed for balancing or other reasons.
 
2014-06-24 11:49:49 AM  

lilplatinum: silvervial: have 74 toons - 5 of them 90s but none under 60

Good god, why would you want to have multiple toons of the same class?


And I'm guessing he created those level 90's without even leveling up, since you can get a level 90 either by pre-ordering the next x-pac, or paying $60 to buy a level 90.  You can then either instant level up an existing character to 90 or create a fresh new character at level 90.
 
2014-06-24 11:52:12 AM  

elchupacabra: If someone started to play WOW right now, how much of the original game would they miss?  I expect that at least some of the original gameplay, or parts of early expansion packs et al would be obsolete or removed for balancing or other reasons.


All of it, this expansion included some disaster or something that reshaped the entire zone, so not only are the mechanics different than launch but the basic world is too.
 
2014-06-24 11:52:14 AM  

Dimensio: I have read of this player who achieved maximum level (prior to the most recent level cap increase) while siding with neither faction.

I have no strong feelings one way or another.

/Tell my wife "hello".


So this person stayed in the pandarian starting zone and leveled to 90?    That had to be a major headache since the xp for low level herbs and minerals is very low.
 
2014-06-24 11:53:04 AM  

Latinwolf: And I'm guessing he created those level 90's without even leveling up, since you can get a level 90 either by pre-ordering the next x-pac, or paying $60 to buy a level 90.  You can then either instant level up an existing character to 90 or create a fresh new character at level 90.


Why would you pay extra money to have a level 90 of a class you already have one of?

I dunno, I had guildies who had multiple toons of the same class and it struck me as very bizzare.
 
2014-06-24 11:56:36 AM  

NkThrasher: mongbiohazard: Dimensio: I have read of this player who achieved maximum level (prior to the most recent level cap increase) while siding with neither faction.

I have no strong feelings one way or another.

/Tell my wife "hello".

I don't think that's possible. You would pick your faction during character creation.

That's what TFA is about, the panda-bears start out neutral until level 10, then you essentially do a quest turnin to decide which faction to ally with, and get tossed out into the big bad world.  The guy in TFA never turned the quest in and just leveled gathering herbs in the starter zone.


In truth you don't actually finish until you're level 12, same as the worgen and goblin starter zones.  I've had people claim that you can get out at level 10 but I've played those zones straight non stop to see if tie was possible and it's always at level 12.
 
2014-06-24 12:00:39 PM  

Dimensio: I have read of this player who achieved maximum level (prior to the most recent level cap increase) while siding with neither faction.

I have no strong feelings one way or another.

/Tell my wife "hello".


I'm calling bullshiat on this since prior to the MOP xpac, (with the most level cap) you had to pick a faction when starting.
 
2014-06-24 12:02:06 PM  

lilplatinum: Why would you pay extra money to have a level 90 of a class you already have one of?

I dunno, I had guildies who had multiple toons of the same class and it struck me as very bizzare.


Multi-boxing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-boxing
 
2014-06-24 12:02:50 PM  

skozlaw: MoP was actually a decent xpac. Not BC or Wrath level quality, but decent and far better than that sorry mess they called Cataclysm. Not having to grind raid gear on every character just to be able to join up for raids you already had access to on other toons was a nice touch.

Too bad nobody plays anymore. It was unusual when I went back to see more than 1 page of level 90 weapons on the AH, for example, and it was pretty standard to not see more than about a dozen level 90s in any city but Org, and even then you'd see maybe 30 at peak times.

Blizzard claims they're merging low pop realms, but in typical fashion several never actually happened even though they said they would.


See the bold part, that's been ongoing for months.
 
2014-06-24 12:15:08 PM  

Gunderson: lilplatinum: Why would you pay extra money to have a level 90 of a class you already have one of?

I dunno, I had guildies who had multiple toons of the same class and it struck me as very bizzare.

Multi-boxing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-boxing


That's pretty stupid too.
 
2014-06-24 12:17:12 PM  

namatad: Nemo's Brother: They are in a jam. They can never create a WoW2 because they have millions still on their first game. That game is shrinking and will never grow again.

yes no sort of
the game is in many ways, radically different than vanilla. Changes were made as the player community grew and changed.

You can easily argue that we are currently playing wow 3.0 or 5.0, depending on where you draw the lines.
Vanilla and BC were very similar when it came to leveling, playing and raiding.
The next 3 expansions changed raiding and type of raiding, as the playing community changed.

Was blizz working on a NEW game titan or something?
Not sure what WoW2 would have that would make it any different than the current expansions.

Bringing back old players? Meh, that already happens. People come back all the time, remember why they left - aka - wanting more free time in RL, and leave again.

The best part over the years was watching people leave to play the next wow killer, and watching how quick they came back.


Cata is more like WOW 2 than any of the other xpasc.  If there was actually a WoW 2, they might have done like was done with Guild Wars 2 and have it take place many years later, GW2 takes place 250 years after the first GW.
That new game code named Titan, I've been hearing rumors for at least a year, maybe more, but nothing solid.
The wow killer players, that is fun to watch.  For eyars everytime a new MMO was coming out, people would say this could be the next wow Killer, even when the game was a different genre, like those Star Wars or Star Trek.  And most of those Wow killers ended up becoming free to play in or to attract new players.
 
2014-06-24 12:19:53 PM  

lilplatinum: Latinwolf: And I'm guessing he created those level 90's without even leveling up, since you can get a level 90 either by pre-ordering the next x-pac, or paying $60 to buy a level 90.  You can then either instant level up an existing character to 90 or create a fresh new character at level 90.

Why would you pay extra money to have a level 90 of a class you already have one of?

I dunno, I had guildies who had multiple toons of the same class and it struck me as very bizzare.


Maybe trying out different race/class combos since all the races now have different starting zone.  Granted once you pass level 20 you're usually in the same zones if you stay in the same continent.
 
2014-06-24 12:22:26 PM  

namatad: Nemo's Brother: They are in a jam. They can never create a WoW2 because they have millions still on their first game. That game is shrinking and will never grow again.

yes no sort of
the game is in many ways, radically different than vanilla. Changes were made as the player community grew and changed.

You can easily argue that we are currently playing wow 3.0 or 5.0, depending on where you draw the lines.
Vanilla and BC were very similar when it came to leveling, playing and raiding.
The next 3 expansions changed raiding and type of raiding, as the playing community changed.

Was blizz working on a NEW game titan or something?
Not sure what WoW2 would have that would make it any different than the current expansions.

Bringing back old players? Meh, that already happens. People come back all the time, remember why they left - aka - wanting more free time in RL, and leave again.

The best part over the years was watching people leave to play the next wow killer, and watching how quick they came back.


Man, reading comments like this reminds me of the exact same comments about City of Heroes.

/sigh
 
2014-06-24 12:26:19 PM  

Latinwolf: Maybe trying out different race/class combos since all the races now have different starting zone.  Granted once you pass level 20 you're usually in the same zones if you stay in the same continent.


Its Wow, not like race gives you anything all that unique.  I mean, I understand why you woud want 1 of each class and 1 of each race, but that doesn't even begin to touch how many alts he claimed to have.

It does make me feel less pathetic about having 4 max level guys in TBC before I quit, though.
 
2014-06-24 12:27:23 PM  

Latinwolf: And most of those Wow killers ended up becoming free to play in or to attract new players.


Nothing wrong with free to play - SWTOR ended up becoming financially viable once it went free to play.
 
2014-06-24 12:36:56 PM  

lilplatinum: Latinwolf: And most of those Wow killers ended up becoming free to play in or to attract new players.

Nothing wrong with free to play - SWTOR ended up becoming financially viable once it went free to play.


Yeah, but their F2P model was horrible.  You had to pay to hide your farking helmet for godsakes.
 
2014-06-24 12:40:28 PM  

meat0918: lilplatinum: Latinwolf: And most of those Wow killers ended up becoming free to play in or to attract new players.

Nothing wrong with free to play - SWTOR ended up becoming financially viable once it went free to play.

Yeah, but their F2P model was horrible.  You had to pay to hide your farking helmet for godsakes.


If you paid 1 month subscription ever you got that stuff permanantly, and IIRC they took out some of the more annoying stuff.  I have no problem with things like the helmet honsetly, payment should get you cosmetic options in games and for all the idiots that collect pets rather than pay to win.
 
2014-06-24 01:09:08 PM  

lilplatinum: meat0918: lilplatinum: Latinwolf: And most of those Wow killers ended up becoming free to play in or to attract new players.

Nothing wrong with free to play - SWTOR ended up becoming financially viable once it went free to play.

Yeah, but their F2P model was horrible.  You had to pay to hide your farking helmet for godsakes.

If you paid 1 month subscription ever you got that stuff permanantly, and IIRC they took out some of the more annoying stuff.  I have no problem with things like the helmet honsetly, payment should get you cosmetic options in games and for all the idiots that collect pets rather than pay to win.


Actually, sounds like they did change things.

I stopped playing once I reached Alderaan and the story got extremely boring, and I slogged through Taris without complaint, because it was fun to remember KOTOR and what Taris once was.
 
2014-06-24 01:40:42 PM  

lilplatinum: Latinwolf: Maybe trying out different race/class combos since all the races now have different starting zone.  Granted once you pass level 20 you're usually in the same zones if you stay in the same continent.

Its Wow, not like race gives you anything all that unique.  I mean, I understand why you woud want 1 of each class and 1 of each race, but that doesn't even begin to touch how many alts he claimed to have.

In the old days they were some race specific traits, still are, but not as many.  There are 11 races and 10 classes so 74 might not cover them all, even if not every race has every class.

 
2014-06-24 01:44:36 PM  

TwistedFark: I think at EQ launch I decided to run from Qeynos to Freeport with my level 12 mage for some reason (Maybe there was no boat at the time? Maybe I was just retarded?)

I remember being absolutely petrified that I was going to die like one zone from the city and have to run my ass all the way back.

The good ol days.


I don't even remember there being a way to get from Qeynos to Freeport quickly without running it.  Although I did quit EQ soon after the first expansion came out, soooooo.....

Still, it was a bit of a surprise to run through Kithicor at night for the first time.  It was a newbie zone during day time, but at night time...  it becomes a high level undead zone full of creatures that could kill you just by looking at you.  I was not expecting that.

// spent FAR too much time trying to look for my corpse in Kithicor before night rolled around again
 
2014-06-24 01:52:09 PM  

Latinwolf: In the old days they were some race specific traits, still are, but not as many.  There are 11 races and 10 classes so 74 might not cover them all, even if not every race has every class.


Yes, but it's absurd to think you need to try every race/class combination.  I understand wanting to try every class, and perhaps every race to see the new starting zones, but its not like "Wow, I already have a troll Shaman and Warrior, but I need to find out how that 5% extra damage against beasts synergizes with a troll mage".

meat0918: I stopped playing once I reached Alderaan and the story got extremely boring, and I slogged through Taris without complaint, because it was fun to remember KOTOR and what Taris once was.


A few of the storylines were pretty good.  Imperial agent was a lot of fun, and it was fun being a sith sorcerer and having the option to force lightining peopel in most conversations.

But yeah, they could have distilled the good story parts and made an actual KOTOR 3 instead of trying to cash in on the MMO bandwagon.
 
2014-06-24 02:21:19 PM  

lilplatinum: Gunderson: lilplatinum: Why would you pay extra money to have a level 90 of a class you already have one of?

I dunno, I had guildies who had multiple toons of the same class and it struck me as very bizzare.

Multi-boxing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-boxing

That's pretty stupid too.


From a gameplay viewpoint, yes.  From an economic viewpoint, it was a way to make a ton of gold.
 
2014-06-24 02:23:31 PM  

Latinwolf: See the bold part, that's been ongoing for months.


The Blizzard dictionary:

soon /soon/ (adv)
1. sometime between tomorrow and never
2. a word used to keep people's attention until we can figure out whether this is our ass or a hole in the ground
 
2014-06-24 02:24:14 PM  

Gunderson: From a gameplay viewpoint, yes.  From an economic viewpoint, it was a way to make a ton of gold.


Yes, if you are a chinese farmer it's great.
 
2014-06-24 03:03:54 PM  

lilplatinum: Latinwolf: And most of those Wow killers ended up becoming free to play in or to attract new players.

Nothing wrong with free to play - SWTOR ended up becoming financially viable once it went free to play.


I will say that most games get free to play wrong but my only real solid experience with f2p MMO model(s) was with City of Heroes.

Sure the CoH f2p had some rough patches and it wasn't perfect but I thought it did well (and from some reports was financially stable...until NcSoft felt like killing CoH).

I was in the beta for the latest Star Wars MMO and I did enjoy the "single player story".  The cutscenes talking with NPCs did make it feel like KOTOR to some degree.  I did enjoy it and thought about going into it heartily but then I thought about it more and decided that I don't need "another job" again...so....
 
2014-06-25 12:21:23 AM  

untaken_name: inglixthemad: . Everything and everyone out to kill you, for kicks.

I beg your pardon, sir. I never killed anyone in UO. Broke into their houses and looted everything, sure. Trained aggro mobs near them, sure. I think there was some sort of portal trick that had the same effect - been a while. But I remember that I never killed any other PCs.


I was a house thief as well. Lots of fun. Well, lots of boredom as well.
 
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