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2014-06-23 06:22:01 PM
I was going to make a snarky comment, until I saw Lawrence Lessig's name attached to this.

Good luck to them, it's going to be an uphill battle
 
2014-06-23 10:13:38 PM
The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs
 
2014-06-23 10:16:37 PM

sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs


This
 
2014-06-23 10:21:47 PM
It takes leadership to force debate on ideas that no one believes can pass - but must pass. - Hitler, 1933
 
2014-06-23 10:23:29 PM

ultraholland: It takes leadership to force debate on ideas that no one believes can pass - but must pass. - Hitler, 1933 Rand Paul, 2013

 
2014-06-23 10:24:46 PM

Bazzlex001: sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs

This


But ONLY if the 'right' letter is displayed after that name.
 
2014-06-23 10:26:00 PM

sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs


Well, that and a winner-takes-all legislature system that encourages two-party elections with the victorious primary and election victors being the people who spend the most. There's no possibility of third-party participation unlike in a parliament system.
 
2014-06-23 10:31:53 PM
This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.
 
2014-06-23 10:36:19 PM
Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.
Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) (J. Brandeis, concurring)
 
2014-06-23 10:37:13 PM
Didn't Colbert sort of already do this?
 
2014-06-23 10:37:33 PM

rebelyell2006: election victors being the people who spend the most.


hollyonthehill.com Might disagree
 
2014-06-23 10:41:59 PM

dionysusaur: Bazzlex001: sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs

This

But ONLY if the 'right' letter is displayed after that name.


And the right letter may vary. But only one party is actively engaging in garbage, nonsense economic policy. So screw those guys.
 
2014-06-23 10:42:40 PM

Bazzlex001: sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs

This


Is not the problem.

"By and large" implies not just a majority, but a VAST majority, which larger elections do not bear out.

The problem is a combination of poor turnout, comfort voting and gerrymandering.
 
2014-06-23 10:45:22 PM

TommyDeuce: Didn't Colbert sort of already do this?


He wasn't fighting them so much as bringing attention to their absurdly lax rules. Tomato, tomahto.
 
2014-06-23 10:53:48 PM
But then we'll need a SuperPAC to make sure this SuperPAC stays true to its SuperPAC ethos of fighting other SuperPACs.

/who watches the watchers?
 
2014-06-23 11:02:27 PM

Empty Matchbook: Bazzlex001: sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs

This

Is not the problem.

"By and large" implies not just a majority, but a VAST majority, which larger elections do not bear out.

The problem is a combination of poor turnout, comfort voting and gerrymandering.


You could easily argue the fatal flaw of democratic-style governments is not understanding group psychology.
 
2014-06-23 11:02:39 PM

Ishkur: But then we'll need a SuperPAC to make sure this SuperPAC stays true to its SuperPAC ethos of fighting other SuperPACs.

/who watches the watchers?


The Imperial Auditors will be appointed shortly.
 
2014-06-23 11:06:36 PM

rebelyell2006: Well, that and a winner-takes-all legislature system that encourages two-party elections with the victorious primary and election victors being the people who spend the most. There's no possibility of third-party participation unlike in a parliament system.


while it's a problem, it's secondary. it doesn't matter what system you use, if voters are willfully ignorant then they will be led around by whoever bothers to put in the effort

Empty Matchbook: "By and large" implies not just a majority, but a VAST majority, which larger elections do not bear out.


what elections have you been watching

this is the same country where congress has single digit approval ratings yet people keep reelecting the incumbents
 
2014-06-23 11:11:48 PM

Empty Matchbook: Bazzlex001: sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs

This

Is not the problem.

"By and large" implies not just a majority, but a VAST majority, which larger elections do not bear out.

The problem is a combination of poor turnout, comfort voting and gerrymandering.


You would almost not be wrong if you hadn't claimed ignorance wasn't the problem. But instead the three problems you mentioned are easily attributed as symptoms of the greater problem: public ignorance. Do me a favor and do a survey of the general population asking what gerrymandering is and the effect it has had on our government. Don't worry. I'll wait.
 
2014-06-23 11:13:02 PM
Fight fire with fire? Sure, why not? Good luck, LL.
 
2014-06-23 11:14:27 PM

quatchi: Fight fire with fire? Sure, why not? Good luck, LL.


fighting bullshiat with silence isn't going to suddenly start working
 
2014-06-23 11:22:39 PM
It takes a good guy with a PAC to defeat a bad guy with a PAC.
 
2014-06-23 11:31:14 PM
The best way to make the Republicans stop doing anything is to have President Obama say something about it, especially if it's supportive.

When the pink slime controversy in 2012? The Republicans got sickened like everyone else, but when Obama spoke out against it, three Republican governors, one of whom was Rick Perry, went down to a pink slime plant and literally stuffed their mouths with that shiat.

There's also the Affordable Care Act. It's probably the Republicans' only real magnum opus in decades, but because Obama was intrigued by it, they immediately branded it "Obamacare" and tried to stop it.

Let's have their "If he's for it, I'm against it!" strategy backfire on them.
 
2014-06-23 11:35:55 PM

Ishkur: But then we'll need a SuperPAC to make sure this SuperPAC stays true to its SuperPAC ethos of fighting other SuperPACs.

/who watches the watchers?


The British Trust for Ornithology. Supervised by Lemming of the BDA.
 
2014-06-23 11:47:22 PM
Don't we already have one of those?

riehlpolitics.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-23 11:51:35 PM

sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-23 11:56:59 PM

Ishkur: But then we'll need a SuperPAC to make sure this SuperPAC stays true to its SuperPAC ethos of fighting other SuperPACs.

/who watches the watchers?


I do. Everybody please send me your money, and I'll get right to it. :D
 
2014-06-24 12:04:08 AM

Teiritzamna: Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.
Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) (J. Brandeis, concurring)


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2014-06-24 12:09:20 AM

sprawl15: what elections have you been watching

this is the same country where congress has single digit approval ratings yet people keep reelecting the incumbents


While Congress's approval ratings may be low, the individual representatives typically enjoy wide support.
 
2014-06-24 12:10:41 AM

Bazzlex001: You would almost not be wrong if you hadn't claimed ignorance wasn't the problem. But instead the three problems you mentioned are easily attributed as symptoms of the greater problem: public ignorance. Do me a favor and do a survey of the general population asking what gerrymandering is and the effect it has had on our government. Don't worry. I'll wait.


It's like when people say, in election seasons like this one, "Well, there isn't much we can do.  Democrats always have low turnout in midterm elections."

Um . . . excuse me, I've thought of something we could do . . .
 
2014-06-24 12:26:10 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.

You hoped the semi-homeless people yelling about how broke they were would create a SuperPAC?
// $12 million is a lot of steakhouse money.
 
2014-06-24 12:29:49 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.


You're sh*tting me.
 
2014-06-24 12:31:35 AM

The Name: Bazzlex001: You would almost not be wrong if you hadn't claimed ignorance wasn't the problem. But instead the three problems you mentioned are easily attributed as symptoms of the greater problem: public ignorance. Do me a favor and do a survey of the general population asking what gerrymandering is and the effect it has had on our government. Don't worry. I'll wait.

It's like when people say, in election seasons like this one, "Well, there isn't much we can do.  Democrats always have low turnout in midterm elections."

Um . . . excuse me, I've thought of something we could do . . .


Essentially. When a painful number of registered voters don't even know it is an election year, perhaps the entirety of the blame can't be put on the system. Maybe it's the fact that the news isn't news and schools don't require civics in most states.

Not to say there aren't some fixes that can be implemented. But the fact that it would take a constitutional amendment to make uniform election procedures and take the power from the states makes it as daunting as public education.
 
2014-06-24 12:31:55 AM
TFH sounds like a line from a remake of Brewster's Millions.
 
2014-06-24 12:32:15 AM

The Name: Bazzlex001: You would almost not be wrong if you hadn't claimed ignorance wasn't the problem. But instead the three problems you mentioned are easily attributed as symptoms of the greater problem: public ignorance. Do me a favor and do a survey of the general population asking what gerrymandering is and the effect it has had on our government. Don't worry. I'll wait.

It's like when people say, in election seasons like this one, "Well, there isn't much we can do.  Democrats always have low turnout in midterm elections."

Um . . . excuse me, I've thought of something we could do . . .


Sort of a chicken or the egg scenario with a more obvious solution.
 
2014-06-24 12:46:38 AM

sprawl15: The core problem with our democracy today is that we have outsourced the funding of campaigns to the tiniest fraction of the 1 percent.

no, the core problem with our democracy today is that people are by and large farking mongloid idiots who will vote for someone their name was mentioned enough on tv commercials or roadside signs


Democracy simply doesn't work...
 
2014-06-24 01:01:17 AM
SuperPac? How about a six pack?

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-06-24 01:10:19 AM
Maybe it's just because I'm tired but that headline made me think of this Jim Gaffigan bit:

"Hey have you tried the Hot Pocket Hot Pocket? Its a Hot Pocket filled with a Hot Pocket. Tastes just like a Hot Pocket."

/Hot Pocket!
 
2014-06-24 01:13:35 AM
assets.yodawgpics.com
 
2014-06-24 01:33:53 AM

cato113: I was going to make a snarky comment, until I saw Lawrence Lessig's name attached to this.

Good luck to them, it's going to be an uphill battle


Super ashamed to say I had never heard of that guy....Self, I am disappoint.
 
2014-06-24 01:44:22 AM

qorkfiend: Ishkur: But then we'll need a SuperPAC to make sure this SuperPAC stays true to its SuperPAC ethos of fighting other SuperPACs.

/who watches the watchers?

The Imperial Auditors will be appointed shortly.


Please oh please send in Lord Auditor Miles Vorkosigan to audit the elections system in the USA!

/there would be a global popcorn shortage
//he'd probably have all the money traced to the last penny back to the source
///Gregor Vorbarra for Emperor 2016!
 
2014-06-24 01:56:01 AM
Jeez! This stupid meme for this stupid headline. It wasn't funny 5 years ago and it's not funny now.
 
2014-06-24 02:10:52 AM
OK, here's my plan. We drag a bunch of trebuchets to DC and start launching lobbyists into the senate building. We tell the house and senate when we run out of lobbyists you're next! I really don't give a flying fark which side of the aisle they're on, those pricks belong to us and their fate is in our hands. Curl up in a corner if you like, but it's up to us to change things because those farkers are happy with things the way they are and they won't change until we kick them in the a$$. Their approval rating is in the low teens, that's farking pathetic by anyone's standard.
 
2014-06-24 02:17:35 AM

BMFPitt: AverageAmericanGuy: This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.

You hoped the semi-homeless people yelling about how broke they were would create a SuperPAC?
// $12 million is a lot of steakhouse money.


No, I had hoped that the Occupy movement would be smart enough to capitalize on the public support they were receiving. The iron was hot, money and support was pouring in, and the momentum was in their favor. Organizing a political action committee ought to have been one of the things they did, and hiring a lobbying firm was another. But because "you can't change a broken system from within", they foolishly eschewed either of those in favor of sitting around chanting and banging on drums.

So yeah, maybe my hopes for them were too high. Maybe the next bunch of angry kids will learn something from OWS's mistakes.
 
2014-06-24 02:33:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: BMFPitt: AverageAmericanGuy: This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.

You hoped the semi-homeless people yelling about how broke they were would create a SuperPAC?
// $12 million is a lot of steakhouse money.

No, I had hoped that the Occupy movement would be smart enough to capitalize on the public support they were receiving. The iron was hot, money and support was pouring in, and the momentum was in their favor. Organizing a political action committee ought to have been one of the things they did, and hiring a lobbying firm was another. But because "you can't change a broken system from within", they foolishly eschewed either of those in favor of sitting around chanting and banging on drums.

So yeah, maybe my hopes for them were too high. Maybe the next bunch of angry kids will learn something from OWS's mistakes.


Those idiots were funded and run in large part by Soros and his buddies for their own political games. Don't give them any credit. If they would have done it on their own it might have amounted to something, as it stands, it was a waste of time and effort.
 
2014-06-24 02:39:49 AM

ArmednHammered: AverageAmericanGuy: BMFPitt: AverageAmericanGuy: This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.

You hoped the semi-homeless people yelling about how broke they were would create a SuperPAC?
// $12 million is a lot of steakhouse money.

No, I had hoped that the Occupy movement would be smart enough to capitalize on the public support they were receiving. The iron was hot, money and support was pouring in, and the momentum was in their favor. Organizing a political action committee ought to have been one of the things they did, and hiring a lobbying firm was another. But because "you can't change a broken system from within", they foolishly eschewed either of those in favor of sitting around chanting and banging on drums.

So yeah, maybe my hopes for them were too high. Maybe the next bunch of angry kids will learn something from OWS's mistakes.

Those idiots were funded and run in large part by Soros and his buddies for their own political games. Don't give them any credit. If they would have done it on their own it might have amounted to something, as it stands, it was a waste of time and effort.


Not true at all.  Why did you post?
 
2014-06-24 02:43:13 AM

Teiritzamna: Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.
Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) (J. Brandeis, concurring)


I'm pretty sure the people who won our independence would be absolutely galled by the amount of money that people spend on getting elected, even if you did it as a percentage of GDP or something for perspective.  George Washington spoke passionately for the better part of an hour in his Farewell Address about how dangerous political parties were.  As well as individuals looking for personal gain getting their hands on government.

Money does not equal speech, no matter what the Supreme Court says.  I get that when they say it, it's law, but that doesn't make it reality.

/let me know if you want quotes
//farewell address is as relevant now as ever
 
2014-06-24 02:57:43 AM

Alphax: ArmednHammered: AverageAmericanGuy: BMFPitt: AverageAmericanGuy: This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.

You hoped the semi-homeless people yelling about how broke they were would create a SuperPAC?
// $12 million is a lot of steakhouse money.

No, I had hoped that the Occupy movement would be smart enough to capitalize on the public support they were receiving. The iron was hot, money and support was pouring in, and the momentum was in their favor. Organizing a political action committee ought to have been one of the things they did, and hiring a lobbying firm was another. But because "you can't change a broken system from within", they foolishly eschewed either of those in favor of sitting around chanting and banging on drums.

So yeah, maybe my hopes for them were too high. Maybe the next bunch of angry kids will learn something from OWS's mistakes.

Those idiots were funded and run in large part by Soros and his buddies for their own political games. Don't give them any credit. If they would have done it on their own it might have amounted to something, as it stands, it was a waste of time and effort.

Not true at all.  Why did you post?


Yeah, I'm going to need a citation for the Soros claim.
 
2014-06-24 03:04:45 AM

fusillade762: Alphax: ArmednHammered: AverageAmericanGuy: BMFPitt: AverageAmericanGuy: This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.

You hoped the semi-homeless people yelling about how broke they were would create a SuperPAC?
// $12 million is a lot of steakhouse money.

No, I had hoped that the Occupy movement would be smart enough to capitalize on the public support they were receiving. The iron was hot, money and support was pouring in, and the momentum was in their favor. Organizing a political action committee ought to have been one of the things they did, and hiring a lobbying firm was another. But because "you can't change a broken system from within", they foolishly eschewed either of those in favor of sitting around chanting and banging on drums.

So yeah, maybe my hopes for them were too high. Maybe the next bunch of angry kids will learn something from OWS's mistakes.

Those idiots were funded and run in large part by Soros and his buddies for their own political games. Don't give them any credit. If they would have done it on their own it might have amounted to something, as it stands, it was a waste of time and effort.

Not true at all.  Why did you post?

Yeah, I'm going to need a citation for the Soros claim.


Googling reveals hilariously butthurt results.
 
2014-06-24 04:34:42 AM

whidbey: fusillade762: Alphax: ArmednHammered: AverageAmericanGuy: BMFPitt: AverageAmericanGuy: This is what I had hoped the Occupy Wall Street movement would create.

You hoped the semi-homeless people yelling about how broke they were would create a SuperPAC?
// $12 million is a lot of steakhouse money.

No, I had hoped that the Occupy movement would be smart enough to capitalize on the public support they were receiving. The iron was hot, money and support was pouring in, and the momentum was in their favor. Organizing a political action committee ought to have been one of the things they did, and hiring a lobbying firm was another. But because "you can't change a broken system from within", they foolishly eschewed either of those in favor of sitting around chanting and banging on drums.

So yeah, maybe my hopes for them were too high. Maybe the next bunch of angry kids will learn something from OWS's mistakes.

Those idiots were funded and run in large part by Soros and his buddies for their own political games. Don't give them any credit. If they would have done it on their own it might have amounted to something, as it stands, it was a waste of time and effort.

Not true at all.  Why did you post?

Yeah, I'm going to need a citation for the Soros claim.

Googling reveals hilariously butthurt results.


I have verified Whidbey's claim...
 
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