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2014-06-23 03:49:13 AM  
After the first few years, Space as a destination will be all but dead. Travel is to get us from one place to another, and space is just some shiat we pass through to get there.

So unless Elon is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat and start building colonies on the Moon and Mars, SpaceX is going to become just another government contractor.

How lame.
 
2014-06-23 04:06:17 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: SpaceX is going to become just another government contractor.


That is his goal.  He isn't Branson.
 
2014-06-23 04:45:00 AM  
Hopefully the next launch attempt will be live streamed.
 
2014-06-23 04:58:23 AM  
It would suck if they finally pull it off and no one saw.  The blackout was a bad mistake, shows lack of confidence.
 
2014-06-23 05:09:59 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: It would suck if they finally pull it off and no one saw.  The blackout was a bad mistake, shows lack of confidence.


Yep. When we had the greenlit thread a few days ago it sparked a lot of interest, with folks posting countdown updates in the thread, and then the disappointment when the launch was scrubbed due to unsafe weather conditions.. I don't think Elon Musk realizes how many people want to watch the countdown and launch.
 
2014-06-23 05:36:12 AM  
Or like the Vandenberg Days, BOOOM!
 
2014-06-23 06:20:10 AM  
Just wait until China joins in with their Hooterville Cannonball of launch vehicles.
 
2014-06-23 07:32:14 AM  
Better than walking.
 
2014-06-23 07:45:21 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: After the first few years, Space as a destination will be all but dead. Travel is to get us from one place to another, and space is just some shiat we pass through to get there.

So unless Elon is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat and start building colonies on the Moon and Mars, SpaceX is going to become just another government contractor.

How lame.




He wants to build colonies on mars, but there's this middle bit where he has to develop the rockets and build up the cash to pay for it. Right now only the government and the occasional comm job is paying until launch prices drop further.
To those customers, space is most defiantly a place. You do science and earth observation there. You setup com relays and, maybe someday, capture solar energy. Lots of stuff happens in earth's orbit.

Spacex is still a young company and its going to have to soldier through glitches and failures before it can start landing payloads on mars. Its gotta a whole new class of launch vehicle to build, and its got to iron out that holy grail of reusability that big gov contractors have long failed at delivering on.

One delayed launch isn't a sign of space exploration failing, because its far better to play it safe at this point and make sure payloads aren't laws.
There's going to be a lot of delays.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-23 08:11:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: After the first few years, Space as a destination will be all but dead. Travel is to get us from one place to another, and space is just some shiat we pass through to get there.

So unless Elon is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat and start building colonies on the Moon and Mars, SpaceX is going to become just another government contractor.


There will still be commercial launches, but I don't think space tourism will take off like some think it will.  Once the novelty wears off it will just be a stunt.
 
2014-06-23 08:11:45 AM  
1)  Replace government funded space exploration with the private sector
2)  Private sector businesses go bankrupt
3) ?????
4) Mars colony!
 
2014-06-23 08:13:23 AM  

way south: One delayed launch isn't a sign of space exploration failing, because its far better to play it safe at this point and make sure payloads aren't laws Lost.


*glares at iPhone*

You know you aren't helping, right?
Screw you, I does what I wants.
 
2014-06-23 08:14:58 AM  
There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.
 
2014-06-23 08:25:44 AM  
"The ... launch attempt has been scrubbed to address a potential concern identified during pre-flight checks," SpaceX wrote on its website."

Truly, this is an outrage.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-23 08:32:18 AM  

wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.


You could build a habitat under the ocean or on Antarctica for less than a space colony would cost.
 
2014-06-23 08:32:33 AM  
Scrubbing launch attempts is a lot better than pushing through despite the objections of the technical crew.

inapcache.boston.com
 
2014-06-23 08:34:20 AM  

wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.


But, but, if we don't colonize space, how will nerds be able to get away from the rest of humanity?    That's the real motive, you know.

"Oh, the idiots will destroy themselves and the Earth, but I don't care, 'cause I'll be living in spaaaaaace!"

Nope.  You won't be.
 
2014-06-23 08:34:42 AM  

wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.


wildcardjacks great-grandfather: There is still nothing profitable in the automobile. spend all your money to get there when a horse will do just as well. And the guys with all the money only want more money, cars can't turn a profit anytime soon.

If we stop now, our grandkids are going to wonder WTF we were doing.
 
2014-06-23 08:35:01 AM  

wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.


Other than resource mining from asteroids and moons....Would you rather we keep mining and polluting the planet?  Granted, launching ships to space isn't very eco-friendly, but neither are those two story dozers with tires bigger than my truck.

Also, watch Mobile Suit Gundam and look at their space colonies.  That's what we need to be doing right now, and for two reasons -- 1 being that we're currently pushing the planet to it's limits with pollution and overpopulation, and 2, if anything happens to the planet or the humans living here, natural disaster, disease, war, whatever, we need a viable alternative place to live that isn't Earth.

There's two reasons for space colonization, one is for profit and the good of the planet while the 2nd is just being smart and having a backup option.

Oh, and then there's this

imglogo.podbean.com
 
2014-06-23 08:39:45 AM  

skeevy420: resource mining


Pretty much the only reason that humans have colonized anywhere, ever.

We came down out of the trees because we heard there were lots of shiny rocks over the next hill.
 
2014-06-23 08:40:51 AM  
We're all going to die here, there is no escape.
 
2014-06-23 08:42:06 AM  
ampoliros:[inapcache.boston.com image 850x570]

Pretty! What is it?
 
2014-06-23 08:42:07 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: We're all going to die here, there is no escape.


Just like everyone else, ever.

Shame.
 
2014-06-23 08:42:55 AM  

Feepit: ampoliros:[inapcache.boston.com image 850x570]

Pretty! What is it?


:O

>:|
 
2014-06-23 08:48:49 AM  

sendtodave: skeevy420: resource mining

Pretty much the only reason that humans have colonized anywhere, ever.

We came down out of the trees because we heard there were lots of shiny rocks over the next hill.


And it's the best reason for us to really consider going into space, next to the whole overpopulation thing (won't really be an issue with a single planet government that properly ran things; that's a whole 'nother topic, 10 foot pole thing).  Space could also make for some decent farm land using MSG Zeon style cylinder colonies.  It's the dumbasses with very limited imagination that can't see the possibilities of what space exploration can do for us (humans) or the benefits it could bring.
 
2014-06-23 08:51:52 AM  

Archie Goodwin: wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.

wildcardjacks great-grandfather: There is still nothing profitable in the automobile. spend all your money to get there when a horse will do just as well. And the guys with all the money only want more money, cars can't turn a profit anytime soon.

If we stop now, our grandkids are going to wonder WTF we were doing.


you, in particular, are a farking moron. By 1931, when my great-grand died, cars had been superior to the horse for two decades. They didn't require food and water every day, they didn't shiat all over the place, and they didn't complain. Sure, they spewed lead, but people thought it was a vitamin.

Transport systems replicate other transport systems, and early adopters often spend way too much compared to late adopters. But transport isn't colonization. Two different things, you beef-witted fool.
 
2014-06-23 08:55:46 AM  

Feepit: ampoliros:[inapcache.boston.com image 850x570]

Pretty! What is it?


flamesnation.ca
 
2014-06-23 08:56:48 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Fear_and_Loathing: It would suck if they finally pull it off and no one saw.  The blackout was a bad mistake, shows lack of confidence.

Yep. When we had the greenlit thread a few days ago it sparked a lot of interest, with folks posting countdown updates in the thread, and then the disappointment when the launch was scrubbed due to unsafe weather conditions.. I don't think Elon Musk realizes how many people want to watch the countdown and launch.


42 total comments is not "a lot of interest", especially when 1/3+ of them are the same three people.

/i was interested
 
2014-06-23 09:00:32 AM  

Feepit: ampoliros:[inapcache.boston.com image 850x570]

Pretty! What is it?


It's it.

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2014-06-23 09:02:52 AM  

wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.


Depends on what you want from it.
Right now they want communications stuff to bolster our demand for internet and such, which pays alot of launch costs. But the larger satellites are expensive to build as they can't be repaired or replaced easily.

...Unless you could send humans affordably, then you'd have no problem launching increasingly powerful satellites.  Better yet, instead of bringing space rocks down why not use them to manufacture those massive satellites in space?
That sounds like a job for humans on the moon. Just enough gravity to stay healthy, not enough to interfere with large payload deliveries.

This is just based off of the communications industry.
Chemicals mix differently in space, medicines work differently, living things grow differently, and all of this could potentially return a profit from the health care industry.
People in space need resources, but they are too expensive to get from earth. So it might pay to get that stuff from deeper space.   Eventually you've got guys refining ores on mars to ship to the moon to manufacture satellites that are paid for by the people of earth.

The
bottleneck right now is the cost of launching payloads from earth, and only a handful of companies have even tried to deal with that problem. Everything NASA did from mercury until the ISS was focused on expediency andprestige rather than cutting costs.

/Its like using the price of an Egyptian
Pharaohs pleasure barge as an example of why we'll never colonize the Americas.   
/No one was really thinking about that at the time.
 
2014-06-23 09:05:58 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Bathia_Mapes: Fear_and_Loathing: It would suck if they finally pull it off and no one saw.  The blackout was a bad mistake, shows lack of confidence.

Yep. When we had the greenlit thread a few days ago it sparked a lot of interest, with folks posting countdown updates in the thread, and then the disappointment when the launch was scrubbed due to unsafe weather conditions.. I don't think Elon Musk realizes how many people want to watch the countdown and launch.

42 total comments is not "a lot of interest", especially when 1/3+ of them are the same three people.

/i was interested


For the geek tab? 42 comments might as well be a justin beiber concert.

Do kids still listen to justin beiber? Fark, I'm old.
 
2014-06-23 09:18:03 AM  

wildcardjack: Archie Goodwin: wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.

wildcardjacks great-grandfather: There is still nothing profitable in the automobile. spend all your money to get there when a horse will do just as well. And the guys with all the money only want more money, cars can't turn a profit anytime soon.

If we stop now, our grandkids are going to wonder WTF we were doing.

you, in particular, are a farking moron. By 1931, when my great-grand died, cars had been superior to the horse for two decades. They didn't require food and water every day, they didn't shiat all over the place, and they didn't complain. Sure, they spewed lead, but people thought it was a vitamin.

Transport systems replicate other transport systems, and early adopters often spend way too much compared to late adopters. But transport isn't colonization. Two different things, you beef-witted fool.


Alright then great-great-grandfather, but you get the idea.

Actually you don't. We've got to start somewhere.

Just because there is no apparent payoff right this second, doesn't mean there won't be one in the future.
 
2014-06-23 09:25:48 AM  
sendtodave:

:O

>:|


ampoliros:

[flamesnation.ca image 470x313]

dittybopper:

It's it.

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 496x322]


Okay, I'm like Raskolnikov. I have an irresistible urge to confess my crimes! ;/
 
2014-06-23 09:39:13 AM  

Feepit: sendtodave:

:O

>:|

ampoliros:

[flamesnation.ca image 470x313]

dittybopper:

It's it.

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 496x322]

Okay, I'm like Raskolnikov. I have an irresistible urge to confess my crimes! ;/


senttodave and I are originally referencing the Challenger shuttle explosion in 1986. Engineers on the solid rocket boosters wanted to delay the launch because parts of the boosters had never been tested at temperatures they were experiencing (it was unseasonably cold that day). They refused to sign off and they were overridden by superiors who wanted the launch to go off for publicity reasons (civilian teacher on the flight). When the shuttle blew up shortly after launch the investigation found that the engineers were right and the parts they were concerned about had failed. NASA got a serious black eye for that.

"What is it" is a reference to an Anthrax song (the band pictured by dittybopper). According to the lyrics, the answer to "What is it?" is "It's it."

There, you wanted it all and now you have it. >_>
 
2014-06-23 09:42:42 AM  

ampoliros: Feepit: sendtodave:

:O

>:|

ampoliros:

[flamesnation.ca image 470x313]

dittybopper:

It's it.

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 496x322]

Okay, I'm like Raskolnikov. I have an irresistible urge to confess my crimes! ;/

senttodave and I are originally referencing the Challenger shuttle explosion in 1986. Engineers on the solid rocket boosters wanted to delay the launch because parts of the boosters had never been tested at temperatures they were experiencing (it was unseasonably cold that day). They refused to sign off and they were overridden by superiors who wanted the launch to go off for publicity reasons (civilian teacher on the flight). When the shuttle blew up shortly after launch the investigation found that the engineers were right and the parts they were concerned about had failed. NASA got a serious black eye for that.

"What is it" is a reference to an Anthrax song (the band pictured by dittybopper). According to the lyrics, the answer to "What is it?" is "It's it."

There, you wanted it all and now you have it. >_>


Fark, Faith No More not Anthrax. Dammit, why did my brain fail so badly.
 
2014-06-23 09:47:56 AM  

ampoliros: Fark, Faith No More not Anthrax. Dammit, why did my brain fail so badly.


Maybe it has something to do with your O-rings.
 
2014-06-23 09:55:12 AM  

Feepit: ampoliros: Fark, Faith No More not Anthrax. Dammit, why did my brain fail so badly.

Maybe it has something to do with your O-rings.


Full disclosure, my Dad didn't sign off on me. He said I wasn't ready but my Mom pushed me out anyway.  Birth, kindergarten, employment, college, Fark postings; same story every time.
 
2014-06-23 10:01:31 AM  

Feepit: ampoliros: Fark, Faith No More not Anthrax. Dammit, why did my brain fail so badly.

Maybe it has something to do with your O-rings.


something something the amygdala refused to sign off and was overridden on the words the hippocampus wanted the fingers to type out on the keyboard
 
2014-06-23 10:01:43 AM  

ampoliros: Full disclosure, my Dad didn't sign off on me. He said I wasn't ready but my Mom pushed me out anyway.  Birth, kindergarten, employment, college, Fark postings; same story every time.


So your defects are to blame for the funding cuts to our education program? If only we had more teachers! Just one could've made the difference ...
 
2014-06-23 10:16:00 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: After the first few years, Space as a destination will be all but dead. Travel is to get us from one place to another, and space is just some shiat we pass through to get there.

So unless Elon is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat and start building colonies on the Moon and Mars, SpaceX is going to become just another government contractor.

How lame.


I think they're trying to be more of a supplier than a contractor. Goverment, pay us $X and you get a rocket; private company, pay us $X and you get a rocket. Contractors typically say "If you want a rocket, send us your requirements and it will cost $X+ since we have to meet all the accounting regulations you've set forth."
 
2014-06-23 10:35:27 AM  

sendtodave: wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.

But, but, if we don't colonize space, how will nerds be able to get away from the rest of humanity?    That's the real motive, you know.

"Oh, the idiots will destroy themselves and the Earth, but I don't care, 'cause I'll be living in spaaaaaace!"

Nope.  You won't be.


wanna bet
 
2014-06-23 11:16:46 AM  

Feepit: ampoliros:[inapcache.boston.com image 850x570]

Pretty! What is it?


The Challenger space shuttle exploding, killing all of the crew.
 
2014-06-23 11:38:19 AM  

wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.


At this point you are correct, however over time this may change with time. Much like the European discovery of the Americas, resources will be the first draw and with it some rudimentary colonization for support. Later, if transport becomes easier and less costly, you may see colonization in the true sense, but it will take time. We've only been going into space for ~50 years, and considering the technical challenges it's reasonable to expect and extended timeline. In comparison, the early colonization and exploration of the Americas was somewhat compressed because the Incas had conveniently mined all that gold.

The big if factor will be a hospitable destination. Our moon will be a big resource / industrial draw, but we do not yet know the long term impact of micro gravity, particularly on development, so settlement for the purpose of permanent relocation is unlikely. The best bet currently for that is Mars, but it lacks an atmosphere, so any colony will need to be under ground / dome. Living there will require a radical change of lifestyle, but if the right resources are there it may be feasible. Venus is out unless something of a significant size conveniently plows into it and strips away it current toxic atmosphere. Some of the moons of the gas giants might be suitable but it's too early to tell and will require even more adaptation that Mars.
 
2014-06-23 12:08:57 PM  
A planet with a gravitron emission shuttle is like a mule with a spinning wheel.
 
2014-06-23 12:53:27 PM  
I rode Metro North every day for about a year from Brewster North (now Northwest) to GCT. It wasn't that bad.
 
2014-06-23 01:27:30 PM  

vpb: wildcardjack: There is still nothing profitable in colonization of space.spend all your money to get there for something you could get back on earth. And the guys with all the money only want more money, colonies can't turn a profit for earth anytime soon.

You could build a habitat under the ocean or on Antarctica for less than a space colony would cost.


We've already got those.
 
2014-06-23 01:30:19 PM  

way south: way south: One delayed launch isn't a sign of space exploration failing, because its far better to play it safe at this point and make sure payloads aren't laws Lost.

*glares at iPhone*

You know you aren't helping, right?
Screw you, I does what I wants.


I love it when my iGadget replaces the real word I typed with a different word just because.

I love it even more when it replaces the real word I typed with one that doesn't actually exist.
 
2014-06-23 02:34:22 PM  

Hollie Maea: way south: way south: One delayed launch isn't a sign of space exploration failing, because its far better to play it safe at this point and make sure payloads aren't laws Lost.

*glares at iPhone*

You know you aren't helping, right?
Screw you, I does what I wants.

I love it when my iGadget replaces the real word I typed with a different word just because.

I love it even more when it replaces the real word I typed with one that doesn't actually exist.




I usually catch mine when it tries that.
It's the correct word substitutions that get me every time. Especially when it "corrects" two words at the same time.

A while back it got into the habit of slipping "hyenas" into the mix in a regular basis... Just because.

/it's done that at least three or four times now.
/Why hyenas?! I don't think I've ever used that word in conversation.
 
2014-06-23 04:03:41 PM  

way south: Hollie Maea: way south: way south: One delayed launch isn't a sign of space exploration failing, because its far better to play it safe at this point and make sure payloads aren't laws Lost.

*glares at iPhone*

You know you aren't helping, right?
Screw you, I does what I wants.

I love it when my iGadget replaces the real word I typed with a different word just because.

I love it even more when it replaces the real word I typed with one that doesn't actually exist.

I usually catch mine when it tries that.
It's the correct word substitutions that get me every time. Especially when it "corrects" two words at the same time.

A while back it got into the habit of slipping "hyenas" into the mix in a regular basis... Just because.

/it's done that at least three or four times now.
/Why hyenas?! I don't think I've ever used that word in conversation.


It is Apple trolling you. There is no way that their engineers are actually bad enough to have created that staggeringly bad typing system (it's not just the autocorrect that blows, the whole system does).  They just want to see what people will put up with and still buy their shiny gadgets.
 
2014-06-23 04:08:45 PM  
I'm sure the owners of the six satellites would rather get them up a little later instead of smashing them into the ocean. Launch fever got ULA/NASA in trouble several times.
 
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