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2014-06-22 06:11:52 PM
It's on Facebook and Wikipedia? Must be legit.
 
2014-06-22 06:39:32 PM

zooter: It's on Facebook and Wikipedia? Must be legit.


I won't trust it until I hear more from Twitter.
 
2014-06-22 06:51:25 PM

Triumph: zooter: It's on Facebook and Wikipedia? Must be legit.

I won't trust it until I hear more from Twitter.


All the cool terrorists are using Myspace now.
 
2014-06-22 07:02:16 PM

dj_bigbird: Triumph: zooter: It's on Facebook and Wikipedia? Must be legit.

I won't trust it until I hear more from Twitter.

All the cool terrorists are using Myspace now.


That's how they avoid detection.
 
2014-06-22 08:37:59 PM
Shorter trial, but with an equally prejudiced result.
 
2014-06-22 08:43:10 PM
Can we just divide the place in three and get this shiat over with please? It'd make so much more sense.
 
2014-06-22 08:44:49 PM
FTFA: "revolutionaries Iraqis arrested him and sentenced him to death in retaliation for the death of the martyr Saddam Hussein,"

Maybe, but I didn't think ISIL considered secular Baathists to be martyrs.

/seems legit
 
2014-06-22 08:45:49 PM
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2014-06-22 08:46:55 PM
It's entirely possible they did kill him, but I will assume the real motivation was to intimidate other judges of the "secular" legal system. I hardly doubt these fanatics are sad over the death of Saddam, who would have dealt with them much more severely and effectively than the current government can.
 
2014-06-22 08:47:14 PM

Theaetetus: Shorter trial, but with an equally prejudiced result.


Bingo. The judge probably received a more dignified execution, however, as we haven't yet seen the YouTube video of his demise.
 
2014-06-22 08:47:34 PM
Did I what just read?
 
2014-06-22 08:49:17 PM
I refuse to have an opinion until I hear why Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell tell me this is a good reason to send our sons and daughters to be shot at in a religious civil war.
 
2014-06-22 08:49:35 PM
Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it's back to Iraq we go...
 
2014-06-22 08:49:48 PM

FriarReb98: Can we just divide the place in three and get this shiat over with please? It'd make so much more sense.


I'm seriously wondering if that's possible now. I know people suggested it ten years ago, but at the time it seemed like it would be admitting that we (USA) couldn't effectively make a strong, democratic nation-state. Plus Turkey would go nuts over an independent Kurdistan. Maybe they'll be more on board if this situation results in the Kurds effectively having their own nation anyway.

If I were Turkey I'd rather the Kurds have an official nation that they can deal with openly and diplomatically rather than a semi-autonomous breakaway region. But I'm no international relations expert by any means.
 
2014-06-22 08:50:08 PM
What's with the dad face subby?

Do those who oversee partisan sham trials who find themselves on the short end of a similar sham... hurt thy fee fees?

Color me shocked!
 
2014-06-22 08:51:27 PM
You don't murder the judge you want. You murder the judge you have.
 
2014-06-22 08:53:13 PM
Citing wikipedia? That's some damn fine reporting.
 
2014-06-22 08:53:56 PM

X-boxershorts: What's with the dad face subby?

Do those who oversee partisan sham trials who find themselves on the short end of a similar sham... hurt thy fee fees?

Color me shocked!


Aching of the headular regionality.
 
2014-06-22 08:53:57 PM
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time (or punishment).
 
2014-06-22 08:54:26 PM
True or not, it doesn't matter. I don't care what happens to Iraq or any Iraqi or any other backwards 3rd world country stuck in the Dark Ages. This is what they created and what they wanted so let them have it. The entire Middle East can go to war and turn into a giant slab of glass and I still wouldn't care. It's their problem, they can deal with it for once.

The United States has our own domestic problems to take care of.
 
2014-06-22 08:55:00 PM
This is going to go the way it always should have gone - the shiite majority is going to align with Iran and they will kick ISIS's ass out so hard their beards will fall off. The end result will be that there will now be two shiite controlled nation states bordering each other. Of course, we don't like one of them, so there's that, but this is what should have always happened without US meddling.

Basically you have two choices - keep our boots on the ground fighting against the tide coming in, or let things progress they way they normally would and deal with the result. I don't see much of a reason for us to get involved at this point, nor did I ever.

If Turkey gets involved, that's an entirely different story because they are a NATO ally. However, I'm more than content to let this work itself out because it's the only way some sort of status quo is going to be achieved.
 
2014-06-22 08:56:19 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: dj_bigbird: Triumph: zooter: It's on Facebook and Wikipedia? Must be legit.

I won't trust it until I hear more from Twitter.

All the cool terrorists are using Myspace now.

That's how they avoid detection.


Personally I won't believe it until CNN goes 24/7 coverage on this.
 
2014-06-22 08:57:48 PM
according to confirmed the pages on the social networking site

wat?
 
2014-06-22 08:58:48 PM

dukeblue219: FriarReb98: Can we just divide the place in three and get this shiat over with please? It'd make so much more sense.

I'm seriously wondering if that's possible now. I know people suggested it ten years ago, but at the time it seemed like it would be admitting that we (USA) couldn't effectively make a strong, democratic nation-state. Plus Turkey would go nuts over an independent Kurdistan. Maybe they'll be more on board if this situation results in the Kurds effectively having their own nation anyway.

If I were Turkey I'd rather the Kurds have an official nation that they can deal with openly and diplomatically rather than a semi-autonomous breakaway region. But I'm no international relations expert by any means.


Turkey has announced that as it is getting several billion dollars of oil piped in thru kurdistan, it can call itself whatever it wants.
 
2014-06-22 08:59:08 PM

FriarReb98: Can we just divide the place in three and get this shiat over with please? It'd make so much more sense.


Give them another week or so. The Kurds already are negotiating with Turkey to allow them to have the northern end.
 
2014-06-22 08:59:43 PM
Judge not lest ye be judged ... and other assorted religious derp quote.
 
2014-06-22 09:02:04 PM
Daily Fail ran with it. So now I'm really full of doubt.
 
2014-06-22 09:03:18 PM
I wonder how the region would look if the rest of the world had never intervened and defined borders. If we just let them sort out their own governments, borders, and laws. Only have intervention if they commit war crimes or genocide. Beat them down and say thats not acceptable, and then leave again.

I am of the opinion you can't just hand people democracy. If democracy is the best system of government, they will reach it on their own. I have trouble thinking of examples where we forced democracy and it didn't crumble once we left.

Course, this is about the regions resources most of the time, so we might as well sort it out permanently. Take their children, educate them to be Western, Secular, and loyal. Then you dispose of the adult population and maintain the region until the children can take over. Tada, you stop pretending to be a good person(even though your intervention has done nothing good) and you suddenly have peace in the middle east.

/Not sure how serious I am about that last solution
 
2014-06-22 09:04:15 PM

FriarReb98: Can we just divide the place in three and get this shiat over with please? It'd make so much more sense.


Not until you find a way to split the oil reserves into three as well.
 
2014-06-22 09:09:58 PM
Mission accomplished.
 
2014-06-22 09:10:01 PM
makeameme.org
 
2014-06-22 09:10:54 PM

dukeblue219: It's entirely possible they did kill him, but I will assume the real motivation was to intimidate other judges of the "secular" legal system. I hardly doubt these fanatics are sad over the death of Saddam, who would have dealt with them much more severely and effectively than the current government can.


Showing again that Saddam should have been left in power.  As long as American boots aren't on Iraqi soil, muslims will gleefully kill each other. Why give both sides a bigger target?
 
2014-06-22 09:11:37 PM

Theaetetus: Shorter trial, but with an equally prejudiced result.


I find it hard to argue that Saddam Hussein hadn't done enough to justify being executed.  Not saying the judgement wasn't prejudiced in itself, but this wasn't exactly a savage miscarriage of justice either.

dukeblue219: It's entirely possible they did kill him, but I will assume the real motivation was to intimidate other judges of the "secular" legal system. I hardly doubt these fanatics are sad over the death of Saddam, who would have dealt with them much more severely and effectively than the current government can.


Yeah, I was going to say something along these lines.  The only judgement we Westerners are familiar with this guy being involved in is Saddam, so of course our media goes "OH EM GEE IT MUST BE SADDAM RETALIATION".  In truth it's going to be for some decision we have no familiarity with, or just because this guy made a big show of not letting religion guide his decisions.  If he's even dead at all, mind you.
 
2014-06-22 09:13:38 PM
Nuke their ass and take the gas?

/no, I don't really believe that.
 
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2014-06-22 09:14:31 PM

Notabunny: I refuse to have an opinion until I hear why Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell tell me this is a good reason to send our sons and daughters to be shot at in a religious civil war.


let's ask the Obama administration too.
 
2014-06-22 09:16:57 PM
Can we just bring back the Ottomans?
 
2014-06-22 09:19:08 PM

cretinbob: [makeameme.org image 600x407]


Only the most recent season. Man, that was friggin' painful...
 
2014-06-22 09:19:39 PM
Holy shiat. Dat comment section.
 
2014-06-22 09:19:47 PM

Caffienatedjedi: I wonder how the region would look if the rest of the world had never intervened and defined borders. If we just let them sort out their own governments, borders, and laws. Only have intervention if they commit war crimes or genocide. Beat them down and say thats not acceptable, and then leave again.

I am of the opinion you can't just hand people democracy. If democracy is the best system of government, they will reach it on their own. I have trouble thinking of examples where we forced democracy and it didn't crumble once we left.

Course, this is about the regions resources most of the time, so we might as well sort it out permanently. Take their children, educate them to be Western, Secular, and loyal. Then you dispose of the adult population and maintain the region until the children can take over. Tada, you stop pretending to be a good person(even though your intervention has done nothing good) and you suddenly have peace in the middle east.

/Not sure how serious I am about that last solution


If you're serious about the first two, you cannot be serious about the last one. If you really want regions to work out their own problems, then that means you leave them the f*ck alone, EVEN IF they commit war crimes or genocide. Only after things have stabilized should the rest of the world step in IF the new government asks for assistance, and help hunt down any errant mass murderers.

You'll notice that, despite a few weirdities like Benghazi, both Libya and Egypt, where the US stayed 100% hands off and out of the mess, are far less anti-American than they were before, in part I've no doubt because we didn't go poking our beak into their affairs. Are things shiatty in both places? Yes, absolutely. Could we be doing more to help. Definitely. Do they want us to? F*CK NO. So we don't, unless or until they ask, and when they do, THEY determine what type of assistance we send.

Otherwise, it's just another situation where "Uncle Sam knows best, you can't handle it yourselves, so step aside and let us tell you how to run things," an attitude that only fosters anger, resentment, and hatred at best. At worst, well, it gets planes flown into buildings. It's a strange fact that places that receive a lot of US foreign aid, like Egypt, hate us worse than places that don't.
 
2014-06-22 09:20:05 PM
Abaddon The Despoiler The entire Middle East can go to war and turn into a giant slab of glass and I still wouldn't care. It's their problem, they can deal with it for once.

Nice idea, but wait tl you pull up to the pump...
 
2014-06-22 09:20:55 PM
Comments on that article's site make you shake your head.  Liberals, Obama, religion, and scientific study failures all within the first 30 comments.  Bravo Internets.  You win again.
 
2014-06-22 09:21:28 PM

dukeblue219: It's entirely possible they did kill him, but I will assume the real motivation was to intimidate other judges of the "secular" legal system. I hardly doubt these fanatics are sad over the death of Saddam, who would have dealt with them much more severely and effectively than the current government can.


The scary thing is, ISIS is more than just extremist religious fanatics, it also includes remnants of the Hussein-era Iraqi military.

After the US invaded in '03 and began to rebuild, one of the early edicts handed down disbanded the Iraqi military, and all Officers of the rank of Colonel or higher were banned from any future military service in Iraq, or any civilian job in the new regime.  So, you have a lot of career military commanders who were out of a job.

There are a lot of reports that ISIS has basically worked out an "enemy of my enemy" deal with these Hussein-era military leaders.  ISIS provides the zealots, the Hussein-era Colonels and Generals provide the strategy and tactical leadership.

With a deal like that, I could see people who turned on Hussein getting ISIS after them real quick.
 
2014-06-22 09:24:10 PM

jicon: Comments on that article's site make you shake your head.  Liberals, Obama, religion, and scientific study failures all within the first 30 comments.  Bravo Internets.  You win again.


Damn. Y'know, when I get onto FARK, I see what I thought was my share of crazy people. I then made the mistake of gazing into the gaping abyss of intellectual entropy that was the comments section of that article. To paraphrase Thorin, never have I been so wrong.
 
2014-06-22 09:27:02 PM

strangeluck: Nuke their ass and take the gas?

/no, I don't really believe that.


I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.
 
2014-06-22 09:27:23 PM

eggrolls: FriarReb98: Can we just divide the place in three and get this shiat over with please? It'd make so much more sense.

Not until you find a way to split the oil reserves into three as well.


And the means to export it - i.e. access to the gulf.

This is an ugly situation.
 
2014-06-22 09:28:59 PM
Rauf tried to escape from Bagdad wearing uniforms dancer

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2014-06-22 09:31:33 PM

Gyrfalcon: Caffienatedjedi: I wonder how the region would look if the rest of the world had never intervened and defined borders. If we just let them sort out their own governments, borders, and laws. Only have intervention if they commit war crimes or genocide. Beat them down and say thats not acceptable, and then leave again.

I am of the opinion you can't just hand people democracy. If democracy is the best system of government, they will reach it on their own. I have trouble thinking of examples where we forced democracy and it didn't crumble once we left.

Course, this is about the regions resources most of the time, so we might as well sort it out permanently. Take their children, educate them to be Western, Secular, and loyal. Then you dispose of the adult population and maintain the region until the children can take over. Tada, you stop pretending to be a good person(even though your intervention has done nothing good) and you suddenly have peace in the middle east.

/Not sure how serious I am about that last solution

If you're serious about the first two, you cannot be serious about the last one. If you really want regions to work out their own problems, then that means you leave them the f*ck alone, EVEN IF they commit war crimes or genocide. Only after things have stabilized should the rest of the world step in IF the new government asks for assistance, and help hunt down any errant mass murderers.

You'll notice that, despite a few weirdities like Benghazi, both Libya and Egypt, where the US stayed 100% hands off and out of the mess, are far less anti-American than they were before, in part I've no doubt because we didn't go poking our beak into their affairs. Are things shiatty in both places? Yes, absolutely. Could we be doing more to help. Definitely. Do they want us to? F*CK NO. So we don't, unless or until they ask, and when they do, THEY determine what type of assistance we send.

Otherwise, it's just another situation where "Uncle Sam knows best, you can't ...


Yea, my first two views are my serious ones that I know we won't do because they actually make sense and don't involve everyone else knows best. The last one gets results fast, with a complete disregard for human life. So I'mma say ideally the first two, realistically we'll find a way to rationalize the last one. Modern view of the future is more Dystopian than Utopian, sadly.

I just know what we have been doing doesn't work at all. It just maintains the status quo. Anything I proposed would eventually reach a resolution, though there is no black and white morality to them. Leaving them alone would be remarkably grey, stealing their children and butchering them decidedly black. The problem is, we will accept nothing less than that "ideal" solution that is morally white and it just doesn't exist. We think that is what we have been doing, creating an empty shell of democracy we pretend is as robust as our own system. We then ignore the obvious flaws and laud ourselves as heros. Then we leave, it collapses violently, and we pretend we didn't cause that.

So I guess in the end, what is more "evil"? Maintaining the status quo of a broken region, or literally removing everything there and starting over?
 
2014-06-22 09:32:07 PM
The comments section is a cesspool of paranoia, stupidity, and failure at being human.
 
2014-06-22 09:38:45 PM
Here come da judge!

www.ponziclawbacks.com
 
2014-06-22 09:39:14 PM
No one has thanked Obama yet?
 
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