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(WTSP)   66% of consumers wrongly believe that when food is lableled "natural" it actually means something. "Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing"   (wtsp.com) divider line 19
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2014-06-22 09:51:34 PM
3 votes:
natural:
teachgreenbk.files.wordpress.com
equally natural:
upload.wikimedia.org
any questions?
2014-06-23 12:21:33 AM
2 votes:
Organic actually has absolutely nothing to do with carbon when it comes to food labeling. But yes, natural literally means nothing on food: it's a marketing ploy.

Organic and USDA Organic are very different; the legal definition is very different from what many people expect. Just because someone does the leg work to become USDA Organic doesn't mean they aren't still evil mono-culture farmers.

There ARE some very good organic farmers out there---a few live just a few miles from where I live, and I can actually go and see how they take care of their farms. Not all organic farmers load up their farms with approved pesticides and insecticide---crop rotation, the presence of animals, and non-monoculture farms (ones that grow flowers, etc) reduce or eliminate the need for many of those sprays.

Luckily, despite Florida being well, Florida, we actually have some very good organic growers out here. Some of them don't bother applying for the USDA Organic label either---their customers know their food is good, because in some cases, their customers work the farms for shares of the yield.

/member of at least two farms to source healthy, local food without the use of nasty pesticides or bizarre fertilizers
//one farm sells elephant tea...made from elephant poop...for your plants
2014-06-23 12:17:51 AM
2 votes:
FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.


That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.
2014-06-23 12:12:48 AM
2 votes:

Jacobin: As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too


oh really?

bed56888308e93972c04-0dfc23b7b97881dee012a129d9518bae.r34.cf1.rackcdn.com

I'll follow that with.

1.bp.blogspot.com
2014-06-22 08:52:08 PM
2 votes:
Yah, there's other words on the package. Read those too.
2014-06-23 10:23:27 PM
1 votes:

namatad: finnished: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?

mmmm no
Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.
So as a scientist is work with theories morning noon and night.
Why would anyone think that something is "just a theory" ... OF COURSE it IS just a theory. And if anyone ever comes up with a better theory for evolution, it will replace the existing theory.
(not going to happen. minor revisions and better understandings - yes, outright replacement? LOL not going to happen.)



You might have missed the point of the post you're responding to, which is that the word "theory" (just like "organic") has different meanings, and criticizing one meaning based on a completely other meaning is misleading. The post you're responding to is referring to when people mistakenly criticize a "theory" based on one meaning of the word (something akin to conjecture), while the actual intended meaning is something else (an established set of connected explanations for something). In the same vein, criticizing the idea of "organic" food based on the chemical definition of "organic", as you have done, is equally misleading.
2014-06-23 10:16:25 PM
1 votes:

namatad: Damnhippyfreak: namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD


It depends on how you define "food". I believe that in some jurisdictions there is a formal meaning of food that includes anything that is added to things people eat.

It's a small point, but worth noting, especially given your previous posts. In the same spirit be aware that the word "organic" has different meanings. The chemical definition is different from what is meant when referring to organic foods, organic movements, and can also differ from the formal meaning in different certification schemes.


eyup
and when a word ... like organic has no common definition, it then has almost no meaning ... or worse, people make completely false assumptions.


Not sure about this. The word 'organic' has multiple meanings. I hope I don't need to remind your that words with more than one meaning is a very common thing. We manage to make it work when people are actually aware of different meanings and can infer which is which depending on the context.

I suggest that it is simply a lack of people's knowledge and not a problem with the term itself that would enable people to, for example, make a completely false assumption and mistake "organic" in a chemical sense from "organic" in the food sense.


namatad: that organic fruit, that was sprayed with organic pesticides is much more dangerous to the people spraying and the people eating.

BUT IT'S ORGANIC !!!
DOH



Such a thing is possible, but one has to take into account how likely it is. When something is labelled "organic", in jurisdictions where such has a formal meaning, this means the foodstuff as well as where it was grown go through a certification process, and what pesticides can be used on it is much more controlled (not to mention whatever ongoing inspection and compliance scheme is in place) . This renders organic produce much less likely for such an occurrence. Be careful you're not arguing against a straw-man of "completely safe" instead of what "organic" actually means.
2014-06-23 12:38:25 AM
1 votes:

namatad: meat0918: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Depends on the chemical.

Nicotine dust and tobacco derivatives aren't approved for organic use, but I still see people saying "Go get some organic smokes, soak them in water, and use the resulting nicotine spray to kill pests".  Nictonoids kill everything. Nasty stuff, so nasty we came up with neonictonoids as a safer to human alternative.

Rotenone can be organically sourced.  Kills fish very very dead with very little, might be linked to Parkinson's.

Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.

Mhmm
I really should get some smokes next time my plants get bugs.
Stranger still, most/some of the synthetic pesticides/herbicides/poisons are designed to break down quicker than natural poisons. Making them "safer."

But unless we are willing to kill 3-5 billion people, we can never go all "organic."
Certainly cant get rid of GMO.


I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).
2014-06-23 12:32:07 AM
1 votes:

meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.


I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.
2014-06-23 12:15:27 AM
1 votes:

ginandbacon: Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.

I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.


This.  If granular cane sugar is natural, then corn syrup is natural.  Both are highly refined in a similar manner.

zamboni: Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.

It also seems to involve processing with chemicals and enzymes that mere civilians can't easily purchase.



Fun fact: You can make corn syrup in your mouth.  As a fun experiment reach into your cupboard and pull out a bag of corn starch.  Take a small spoonful and put it in your mouth.  After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.  You make corn syrup in a plant in the same way, just on a bigger scale.
2014-06-23 12:12:09 AM
1 votes:
Here's how far you can bend those words.  Here is a man in the midst of a field of something that is natural and organic.
i.telegraph.co.uk

Natural:  check.  The crude oil has not undergone extensive processing since being harvested.
Organic:  check.  In the field of chemistry, organic simply means that it is chemistry dealing with complex carbon-based molecules.  Plenty of those in there.
So get to work, mister bucket-man!  Our sales guys have got the bottles lined up for you to fill so we can ship it off to the hippie stores!
2014-06-23 12:05:53 AM
1 votes:

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.


Depends on the chemical.

Nicotine dust and tobacco derivatives aren't approved for organic use, but I still see people saying "Go get some organic smokes, soak them in water, and use the resulting nicotine spray to kill pests".  Nictonoids kill everything. Nasty stuff, so nasty we came up with neonictonoids as a safer to human alternative.

Rotenone can be organically sourced.  Kills fish very very dead with very little, might be linked to Parkinson's.

Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.
2014-06-23 12:05:47 AM
1 votes:

Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.


I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.
2014-06-23 12:05:07 AM
1 votes:

Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.


It also seems to involve processing with chemicals and enzymes that mere civilians can't easily purchase.

But, basically, beyond that it is all natural... and therefore healthy!
2014-06-23 12:04:31 AM
1 votes:

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.


My salt shaker would disagree with you.
2014-06-22 11:58:26 PM
1 votes:
If it can exist it's natural.
2014-06-22 11:23:41 PM
1 votes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6m0TF9CUg
one of my favorite episodes of Organic Bullshiat!
2014-06-22 11:22:24 PM
1 votes:
100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.
2014-06-22 10:31:42 PM
1 votes:
"In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?
 
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