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2014-06-23 12:32:07 AM  

meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.


I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.
 
2014-06-23 12:32:30 AM  

meat0918: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Depends on the chemical.

Nicotine dust and tobacco derivatives aren't approved for organic use, but I still see people saying "Go get some organic smokes, soak them in water, and use the resulting nicotine spray to kill pests".  Nictonoids kill everything. Nasty stuff, so nasty we came up with neonictonoids as a safer to human alternative.

Rotenone can be organically sourced.  Kills fish very very dead with very little, might be linked to Parkinson's.

Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.


Mhmm
I really should get some smokes next time my plants get bugs.
Stranger still, most/some of the synthetic pesticides/herbicides/poisons are designed to break down quicker than natural poisons. Making them "safer."

But unless we are willing to kill 3-5 billion people, we can never go all "organic."
Certainly cant get rid of GMO.
 
2014-06-23 12:32:31 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.

That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.


They could label added hormone free but testing wouldn't be able to tell you. We can't test for additional hormones. You want to know why? It's because every glass of milk contains the same hormones regardless of source.
 
2014-06-23 12:33:46 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: RogermcAllen: After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.

I was actually taught to do this with certain grains for breads. 

cryinoutloud: ginandbacon: I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.

Sugar is grown in sugar canes and it's pretty pure the way it is. You just dump it out, like a pixie stick. It used to be sold in the original packaging (it looks like bamboo), but then people decided that those weren't Pure enough or something, so now we buy it in bags.

I can remember my mom buying it in 4-foot canes, enough to last us for a while. Then they invented candy canes, but those suck compared to the real thing.

SHUT UP! I just had the most intense sense memory of my mam and my tia Carmen coming back from market every Saturday with canes for us kids to gnaw on while they smoked and drank coffee and gossiped. Oh man was that the life!

I was picking up dinner at my favorite Cuban place a few weeks ago and I noticed they had a new machine behind the counter.  I asked about it, and apparently it's designed to process sugar cane stalks into a sugar cane drink.  I decided to try a glass, and they just fed several stalks through, which were rolled and squeezed until the cane juice came out of the bottom, so basically it's a sugar cane juicer.

The actual cane juice was... different.  Not bad, but not something I'm likely to go for again.  I much prefer the malta drink.


Malta is awesome. I'm not sure I would want pure cane juice. That's a tooth dropping kind of sweet right there.
 
2014-06-23 12:35:16 AM  

Ishidan: meat0918: Jacobin: As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too

oh really?

I see you and raise a Hawaiian specialty.
[blog.creativelatvia.com image 550x275]

Mmm.  Inorganic crystals with extra dirt.  That's how we do it!


Better than this stuff:

upload.wikimedia.org

"Sodium chloride provides kala namak with its salty taste, iron sulphide provides its dark violet hue, and all the sulphur compounds give kala namak its slight savory taste as well as a highly distinctive smell, with hydrogen sulphide being the most prominent contributor to the smell."

Mmmmm. Yummy, yummy sulfur.
 
2014-06-23 12:38:25 AM  

namatad: meat0918: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Depends on the chemical.

Nicotine dust and tobacco derivatives aren't approved for organic use, but I still see people saying "Go get some organic smokes, soak them in water, and use the resulting nicotine spray to kill pests".  Nictonoids kill everything. Nasty stuff, so nasty we came up with neonictonoids as a safer to human alternative.

Rotenone can be organically sourced.  Kills fish very very dead with very little, might be linked to Parkinson's.

Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.

Mhmm
I really should get some smokes next time my plants get bugs.
Stranger still, most/some of the synthetic pesticides/herbicides/poisons are designed to break down quicker than natural poisons. Making them "safer."

But unless we are willing to kill 3-5 billion people, we can never go all "organic."
Certainly cant get rid of GMO.


I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).
 
2014-06-23 12:44:10 AM  

EvilEgg: Everything comes from nature at some point. Except perhaps angel food cake that has actual ground up angel in it.


But are your girlscout cookies made of real girlscouts?


/not obscure
//too tired
///for more slashies
 
2014-06-23 12:46:50 AM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.

That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.

They could label added hormone free but testing wouldn't be able to tell you. We can't test for additional hormones. You want to know why? It's because every glass of milk contains the same hormones regardless of source.


Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.
 
2014-06-23 12:48:43 AM  

cryinoutloud: meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.

I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.


depending on how sensitive you and your tongue are, you might be able to taste the iodine


"By the fall of 1924, Morton Salt Company began distributing iodised salt nationally. There was a gradual increase in average intelligence of 1 standard deviation, 15 points, in iodine-deficient areas, 3.5 points nationally, but also an increase in deaths of older people in iodine-deficient areas due to hyperthyroidism.[16] "
what the fark?!!
 
2014-06-23 12:49:06 AM  

RogermcAllen: ginandbacon: Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.

I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.

This.  If granular cane sugar is natural, then corn syrup is natural.  Both are highly refined in a similar manner.

zamboni: Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.

It also seems to involve processing with chemicals and enzymes that mere civilians can't easily purchase.


Fun fact: You can make corn syrup in your mouth.  As a fun experiment reach into your cupboard and pull out a bag of corn starch.  Take a small spoonful and put it in your mouth.  After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.  You make corn syrup in a plant in the same way, just on a bigger scale.


Interestingly, that's how Chicha, a native South American corn beer is started; the brewer grinds corn into mush, and then repeatedly spits into the mixture. The amylase in the saliva begins the conversion of starch to sugars, priming it for fermentation.
 
2014-06-23 12:50:40 AM  

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.


Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.
 
2014-06-23 12:51:14 AM  

meat0918: I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).


what about my orchids? because I SWEAR TO farkING GOD, if I get meally bugs one more farking time. FFS
 
2014-06-23 12:53:35 AM  

CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.


yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD
 
2014-06-23 12:54:29 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.

That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.

They could label added hormone free but testing wouldn't be able to tell you. We can't test for additional hormones. You want to know why? It's because every glass of milk contains the same hormones regardless of source.

Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.


I thought they came back around and pointed at better nutrition as well as obesity.  It's a growth hormone.  It's not an estrogen-like or a testosterone-like compound.

I choose non-rBST milk not because of my health, but because it's pretty horrible for the cows.
 
2014-06-23 12:56:27 AM  
capitalism!
 
2014-06-23 12:56:36 AM  

namatad: meat0918: I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).

what about my orchids? because I SWEAR TO farkING GOD, if I get meally bugs one more farking time. FFS


TMV can spread to orchids if it is the right strain.
 
2014-06-23 12:59:15 AM  
RogermcAllen:

Fun fact: You can make corn syrup in your mouth.  As a fun experiment reach into your cupboard and pull out a bag of corn starch.  Take a small spoonful and put it in your mouth.  After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.  You make corn syrup in a plant in the same way, just on a bigger scale.

Yes both alpha amylase in your saliva and pancreatic amylase break down long chain carbohydrare into simple sugars. You can do it with wonderbread in your mouth. Farkers would probably be more entertained by the way beer wort goes from bitter to sweet. similar ensime[sic] laptop missing that key.process
 
2014-06-23 01:01:45 AM  
When I found out that my local smoothie place was cutting my drink with 20% ectoplasm, boy was I pissed. Look, I don't mind ectoplasm but sell it to me at ectoplasm prices.
 
2014-06-23 01:05:58 AM  

namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD



It depends on how you define "food". I believe that in some jurisdictions there is a formal meaning of food that includes anything that is added to things people eat.

It's a small point, but worth noting, especially given your previous posts. In the same spirit be aware that the word "organic" has different meanings. The chemical definition is different from what is meant when referring to organic foods, organic movements, and can also differ from the formal meaning in different certification schemes.
 
2014-06-23 01:15:47 AM  
Snake venom is all natural and 100% organic. Enjoy!
 
2014-06-23 01:16:48 AM  
People like to think that "natural" and "organic" means "no weird chemicals that will cause cancer because cancer is bad."

Sometimes this is true. Often,  in fact. However, merely because a thing lacks man-made, potentially cancer-causing chemicals does not necessarily mean it is better for you, or that the chemical thing is worse.

Just tonight, my mom and I were discussing preservatives. There are of course "unnatural" preservatives, and natural ones. The natural ones include salt, sugar (in all its forms), citric acid, and smoke. All of those are pure, unadulterated, natural things. However, whether salted meat is BETTER for you than meat preserved with BHT is not certain; whether candied fruit is BETTER than fruit packaged with chemical preservatives...well, you see how it goes. But it's certainly natural.

It would be nice if we could all eat nothing but fresh food year-round, but that's not gonna happen either.
 
2014-06-23 01:18:13 AM  
True that. At work, corporate rolled out a new line, based on the word "natural." Which it isn't. Not even close. It is a marketing campaign which has been very successful at making people pay more for the same product, just by changing the packaging. Suckers. Born every minute ... more like every second, nowadays.
 
2014-06-23 01:23:38 AM  

meat0918: Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.


i18.photobucket.com

Did someone say "Pyrethrin"?
 
2014-06-23 01:26:26 AM  
To my dad "natural ingredients" means don't buy unless you have allergy medicine on hand and/or stomach medicine depending on the reaction.

It's an automatic no.

Most of the "natural" ingredients include the citric acid that's manufactured from mold.  And corn syrup. As well as some other random crap he's learned over the years to mean "Well, I'm on the toilet for a few hours"
 
2014-06-23 01:31:21 AM  
I'm a Libertarian and for there to be no Federal regulations surrounding the use of the word "natural" is just terrific. Free market FTW!!

/Not really.
 
2014-06-23 01:47:12 AM  
In other news, most people are idiots.
 
2014-06-23 02:15:29 AM  

meat0918: TuteTibiImperes: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.

That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.

They could label added hormone free but testing wouldn't be able to tell you. We can't test for additional hormones. You want to know why? It's because every glass of milk contains the same hormones regardless of source.

Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.

I thought they came back around and pointed at better nutr ...


Has to do with the amount of animal fat. Animal fat supposedly increases the amount of estrogen in the human body, though I'm unsure about the mechanism.  Some study i read years upon years ago dealt with some Eskimo tribes and how the girls would hit puberty around 8 years old. Had something to do with their high blubber diets and lack of exercise. Pretty sure that seals aren't infused with extra GSH.

Besides, wouldn't any GSH consumed be broken down by our organs before it hit the brain?
 
2014-06-23 03:00:41 AM  

namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD


Try not eating any salt for a month and get back to us.
 
2014-06-23 03:02:35 AM  
Hyponatremia anyone?
 
2014-06-23 03:13:20 AM  

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION


You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?
 
2014-06-23 05:01:42 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
All-natural brain food.
 
2014-06-23 06:15:12 AM  
I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF
 
2014-06-23 07:21:36 AM  

namatad: meat0918: I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).

what about my orchids? because I SWEAR TO farkING GOD, if I get meally bugs one more farking time. FFS


I've had good luck with neem oil.
 
2014-06-23 07:27:47 AM  

cryinoutloud: meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.

I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.


Sounds like what happens to me every Friday when StoryCorps comes on Morning Edition.  I don't know how I'm still alive after having killed myself so many times.  I have the same superpower as Kenny I guess.
 
2014-06-23 07:40:21 AM  

Jacobin: As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too



I'll take your comment with a grain of salt.
 
2014-06-23 07:45:07 AM  

Ruiizu: Organic actually has absolutely nothing to do with carbon when it comes to food labeling. But yes, natural literally means nothing on food: it's a marketing ploy.

Organic and USDA Organic are very different; the legal definition is very different from what many people expect. Just because someone does the leg work to become USDA Organic doesn't mean they aren't still evil mono-culture farmers.

There ARE some very good organic farmers out there---a few live just a few miles from where I live, and I can actually go and see how they take care of their farms. Not all organic farmers load up their farms with approved pesticides and insecticide---crop rotation, the presence of animals, and non-monoculture farms (ones that grow flowers, etc) reduce or eliminate the need for many of those sprays.

Luckily, despite Florida being well, Florida, we actually have some very good organic growers out here. Some of them don't bother applying for the USDA Organic label either---their customers know their food is good, because in some cases, their customers work the farms for shares of the yield.

/member of at least two farms to source healthy, local food without the use of nasty pesticides or bizarre fertilizers
//one farm sells elephant tea...made from elephant poop...for your plants


I help run a local, quote unquote organic farmers market. As in, we don't give a crap about federal designations - as you imply it's been co-opted some time ago - and just require market applicants to document their practices. Most are small time folks who couldn't afford the cert anyway.

Yeah, some 'organic' pesticides are nasty. Nastier than their non organic counterpart, well...
 
2014-06-23 08:27:05 AM  

Gyrfalcon: People like to think that "natural" and "organic" means "no weird chemicals that will cause cancer because cancer is bad."

Sometimes this is true. Often,  in fact. However, merely because a thing lacks man-made, potentially cancer-causing chemicals does not necessarily mean it is better for you, or that the chemical thing is worse.

Just tonight, my mom and I were discussing preservatives. There are of course "unnatural" preservatives, and natural ones. The natural ones include salt, sugar (in all its forms), citric acid, and smoke. All of those are pure, unadulterated, natural things. However, whether salted meat is BETTER for you than meat preserved with BHT is not certain; whether candied fruit is BETTER than fruit packaged with chemical preservatives...well, you see how it goes. But it's certainly natural.

It would be nice if we could all eat nothing but fresh food year-round, but that's not gonna happen either.


Lemon juice and cinnamon are also excellent preservatives, cinnamon being one of the absolute best. Pickling/fermenting is also a great option, and it also increases the nutritional value of many foods. Unfortunately much of "fermented" foods have been hijacked with all sorts of horrible preservatives. Bubbies and Eden both have some great fermented stuff, with no preservatives added.

/good for the gut
 
2014-06-23 08:31:04 AM  
I'm not a fan of organic, and natural foods, they are mostly marketing ploys, and I wouldn't want the world to cultivate their food like that only if we are first willing to cut the population by half.

Having said that let us compare our ancestors to us, which were all fed on "natural" foods.
-They didn't live as long as us.
-They weren't healthier than us.

The only thing that the data shows (maybe because of misdiagnosis or medical ignorance) is that yes, today we do suffer from many more forms and occurrences of cancer. If we could only find a cure for cancer I would start selling DDT.
 
2014-06-23 09:23:46 AM  
cdn0.lostateminor.com
Natural
 
2014-06-23 09:24:17 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.


I think that is a commonly stated "fact" amongst the naturophiles but is actually not true at all.

It is actually linked to early obesity, instead (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/08/health/08real.html?_r=0 )
 
2014-06-23 09:48:12 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz


Cheez Whiz is created entirely without the use of magical or supernatural processes. It's completely natural.
 
2014-06-23 09:52:29 AM  

Captain Horatio Mindblower: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz

Cheez Whiz is created entirely without the use of magical or supernatural processes. It's completely natural.


It may have been natural somewhere

/but not here
//not of this world
 
2014-06-23 10:20:09 AM  

machoprogrammer: TuteTibiImperes: Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.

I think that is a commonly stated "fact" amongst the naturophiles but is actually not true at all.

It is actually linked to early obesity, instead (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/08/health/08real.html?_r=0 )


I think the "something read" part was broken down by men who stare at breasts in the early 90s.  "A lot more women have bigger breasts these days than women used to. It's the growth hormones man"
 
2014-06-23 10:33:20 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Captain Horatio Mindblower: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz

Cheez Whiz is created entirely without the use of magical or supernatural processes. It's completely natural.

It may have been natural somewhere

/but not here
//not of this world


On the contrary, it isn't supernatural at all. It's as natural as a nuclear reactor. It's as natural as a bioluminescent transgenic cat. It's as natural as Kevlar.
 
2014-06-23 10:36:11 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Captain Horatio Mindblower: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz

Cheez Whiz is created entirely without the use of magical or supernatural processes. It's completely natural.

It may have been natural somewhere

/but not here
//not of this world


If by that you mean "OUT OF THIS WORLD," then yeah.
 
2014-06-23 10:37:59 AM  

cwolf20: I think the "something read" part was broken down by men who stare at breasts in the early 90s. "A lot more women have bigger breasts these days than women used to. It's the growth hormones man"


I didn't realize how many women had boob jobs nowadays but--a lot of women are cosmetically enhanced anymore. I bet boob jobs are downright common in the cities and places where women make more money.
 
2014-06-23 11:20:25 AM  

Jument: Snake venom is all natural and 100% organic. Enjoy!


It's a protein.  You can digest it just fine.  Just don't inject it in your veins.
 
2014-06-23 11:23:07 AM  
caveat emptor

You have an internet full of information about what you are putting in your body.

USE IT, FOR fark'S SAKE!!

If you don't, you obviously don't really care that much, so that's your problem.
 
2014-06-23 11:46:31 AM  

mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF


The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.
 
2014-06-23 11:54:46 AM  

Tobin_Lam: mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF

The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.


Not all natural peanut butters contain palm oil.  Peanuts contain plenty of oil themselves, and there are brands that are just peanuts and salt and nothing else.

Of course, that makes the texture different, and it tends to separate in the jar, but stir it up and it's good to go.
 
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