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(WTSP)   66% of consumers wrongly believe that when food is lableled "natural" it actually means something. "Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing"   (wtsp.com) divider line 117
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2014-06-23 11:46:31 AM  

mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF


The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.
 
2014-06-23 11:54:46 AM  

Tobin_Lam: mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF

The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.


Not all natural peanut butters contain palm oil.  Peanuts contain plenty of oil themselves, and there are brands that are just peanuts and salt and nothing else.

Of course, that makes the texture different, and it tends to separate in the jar, but stir it up and it's good to go.
 
2014-06-23 12:10:39 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Tobin_Lam: mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF

The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.

Not all natural peanut butters contain palm oil.  Peanuts contain plenty of oil themselves, and there are brands that are just peanuts and salt and nothing else.

Of course, that makes the texture different, and it tends to separate in the jar, but stir it up and it's good to go.


I suppose that's true, it just isn't true for the major brands, though.
 
2014-06-23 01:34:29 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Tobin_Lam: mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF

The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.

Not all natural peanut butters contain palm oil.  Peanuts contain plenty of oil themselves, and there are brands that are just peanuts and salt and nothing else.

Of course, that makes the texture different, and it tends to separate in the jar, but stir it up and it's good to go.


Stirring is a pain in the ass, without getting oil everywhere but I still stock up on Teddy's whenever it's on sale or I'm at Job Lot.  Haven't found an easy, quick way to stir it yet.  I need to rig up a cap that threads onto the jar and has a built in plunge type mixer/stirrer.  I bet people would buy that if it worked well.
 
2014-06-23 03:16:48 PM  

cryinoutloud: meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.

I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.


Why not take out a bunch of fancie food farkers first and make it a murder suicide? Selfish. I am disapoint.
 
2014-06-23 03:28:46 PM  
George Carlin on advertising.

/oblig
//lesson?  Markerters are like politicians
///they're both stunningly full of shiat
////*bows*
 
2014-06-23 04:37:12 PM  

Damnhippyfreak: namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD


It depends on how you define "food". I believe that in some jurisdictions there is a formal meaning of food that includes anything that is added to things people eat.

It's a small point, but worth noting, especially given your previous posts. In the same spirit be aware that the word "organic" has different meanings. The chemical definition is different from what is meant when referring to organic foods, organic movements, and can also differ from the formal meaning in different certification schemes.


eyup
and when a word ... like organic has no common definition, it then has almost no meaning ... or worse, people make completely false assumptions.
that organic fruit, that was sprayed with organic pesticides is much more dangerous to the people spraying and the people eating.

BUT IT'S ORGANIC !!!
DOH
 
2014-06-23 04:40:08 PM  

finnished: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?


mmmm no
Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.
So as a scientist is work with theories morning noon and night.
Why would anyone think that something is "just a theory" ... OF COURSE it IS just a theory. And if anyone ever comes up with a better theory for evolution, it will replace the existing theory.
(not going to happen. minor revisions and better understandings - yes, outright replacement? LOL not going to happen.)
 
2014-06-23 04:47:35 PM  

Mose: Stirring is a pain in the ass, without getting oil everywhere but I still stock up on Teddy's whenever it's on sale or I'm at Job Lot. Haven't found an easy, quick way to stir it yet. I need to rig up a cap that threads onto the jar and has a built in plunge type mixer/stirrer. I bet people would buy that if it worked well.


They already sell them...

ecx.images-amazon.com
www.stonewallkitchen.com

I haven't tried one yet... I too buy Teddy brand, and have found that if I stick to the smaller jars (16oz, I think?), they're easy enough to stir thoroughly with just a butter knife... With the larger jars, it's hard to reach the bottom of the jar and stir everything up properly, so you usually end up with an overly runny top half and overly solid bottom half, because the oil never got distributed properly...

Also, Teddy is about the only brand I've found that doesn't fill their jars right to the farking brim, making it impossible to stir when opening a new jar! They seem to leave just the right amount of room for initial stirring without making a mess...
 
2014-06-23 05:42:11 PM  

cryinoutloud: meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.

I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.


Yeah the company christmas party had like a build your own ice cream bar with all sorts of toppings.
me: "Hey, what's that one?  Looks like salt or something."
co-worker: (take little scoop and eats it)  "yeah, it's Himalayan Pink Salt.  I'm kind of a connoisseur of salts."
me: "tastes like normal salt to me..."
 
2014-06-23 06:07:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.


No. If you want meat or milk not treated with antibiotics, find meat labeled as such. There have been zero studies showing harm to consumers of meat treated with antibiotics, as well as zero studies showing any difference at all to consumers of milk with or without BGH.

Purchasing such items is even more pointless than buying bread without gluten if you're not gluten intolerant, and they don't require labeling normal bread as "Contains gluten."
 
2014-06-23 08:47:47 PM  
A current ad for Capri Sun fruit drinks tout their being all-natural.  They are.  Sugar and water are natural substances.
 
2014-06-23 09:12:16 PM  

namatad: Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.


But when tomato labels say "Organic", they don't mean organic in the scientific term. Of course tomatoes are organic in that way. But that's not what they're talking about.
 
2014-06-23 10:16:25 PM  

namatad: Damnhippyfreak: namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD


It depends on how you define "food". I believe that in some jurisdictions there is a formal meaning of food that includes anything that is added to things people eat.

It's a small point, but worth noting, especially given your previous posts. In the same spirit be aware that the word "organic" has different meanings. The chemical definition is different from what is meant when referring to organic foods, organic movements, and can also differ from the formal meaning in different certification schemes.


eyup
and when a word ... like organic has no common definition, it then has almost no meaning ... or worse, people make completely false assumptions.


Not sure about this. The word 'organic' has multiple meanings. I hope I don't need to remind your that words with more than one meaning is a very common thing. We manage to make it work when people are actually aware of different meanings and can infer which is which depending on the context.

I suggest that it is simply a lack of people's knowledge and not a problem with the term itself that would enable people to, for example, make a completely false assumption and mistake "organic" in a chemical sense from "organic" in the food sense.


namatad: that organic fruit, that was sprayed with organic pesticides is much more dangerous to the people spraying and the people eating.

BUT IT'S ORGANIC !!!
DOH



Such a thing is possible, but one has to take into account how likely it is. When something is labelled "organic", in jurisdictions where such has a formal meaning, this means the foodstuff as well as where it was grown go through a certification process, and what pesticides can be used on it is much more controlled (not to mention whatever ongoing inspection and compliance scheme is in place) . This renders organic produce much less likely for such an occurrence. Be careful you're not arguing against a straw-man of "completely safe" instead of what "organic" actually means.
 
2014-06-23 10:23:27 PM  

namatad: finnished: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?

mmmm no
Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.
So as a scientist is work with theories morning noon and night.
Why would anyone think that something is "just a theory" ... OF COURSE it IS just a theory. And if anyone ever comes up with a better theory for evolution, it will replace the existing theory.
(not going to happen. minor revisions and better understandings - yes, outright replacement? LOL not going to happen.)



You might have missed the point of the post you're responding to, which is that the word "theory" (just like "organic") has different meanings, and criticizing one meaning based on a completely other meaning is misleading. The post you're responding to is referring to when people mistakenly criticize a "theory" based on one meaning of the word (something akin to conjecture), while the actual intended meaning is something else (an established set of connected explanations for something). In the same vein, criticizing the idea of "organic" food based on the chemical definition of "organic", as you have done, is equally misleading.
 
2014-06-23 10:26:33 PM  

namatad: finnished: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?

mmmm no
Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.
So as a scientist is work with theories morning noon and night.
Why would anyone think that something is "just a theory" ... OF COURSE it IS just a theory. And if anyone ever comes up with a better theory for evolution, it will replace the existing theory.
(not going to happen. minor revisions and better understandings - yes, outright replacement? LOL not going to happen.)


I forgot to link to  a good explanation of "theory" in scientific usage vs popular usage, since you may be unclear on the existence of a difference.
 
2014-06-24 11:14:16 AM  
Damnhippyfreak:You might have missed the point of the post you're responding to, which is that the word "theory" (just like "organic") has different meanings, and criticizing one meaning based on a completely other meaning is misleading. The post you're responding to is referring to when people mistakenly criticize a "theory" based on one meaning of the word (something akin to conjecture), while the actual intended meaning is something else (an established set of connected explanations for something). In the same vein, criticizing the idea of "organic" food based on the chemical definition of "organic", as you have done, is equally misleading.

Exactly. The word "organic" when it comes to food, has a pretty well defined meaning too (unlike some other terms, like "natural" for example).
 
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