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2014-06-22 08:44:22 PM
Everything comes from nature at some point. Except perhaps angel food cake that has actual ground up angel in it.
 
2014-06-22 08:52:08 PM
Yah, there's other words on the package. Read those too.
 
2014-06-22 09:24:52 PM
But before the day I met you, life was so unkind. Your love was the key to my peace of mind. 'Cause you made me feel like a natural woman.
 
2014-06-22 09:51:34 PM
natural:
teachgreenbk.files.wordpress.com
equally natural:
upload.wikimedia.org
any questions?
 
2014-06-22 09:56:47 PM

OregonVet: Yah, there's other words on the package. Read those too.


... but those other words are smaller and therefore less important.
 
2014-06-22 09:58:23 PM
Well, did those 66% agree on what they thought it meant?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-06-22 10:01:08 PM
Green!(*) Made of 100% recycled fermions!

(*) Green color ingredients: a collection of molds, spores, and fungus. Not for consumption by consumers with allergies, asthma, or chronic indigestion.
 
2014-06-22 10:06:34 PM
I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz

/nothing
 
2014-06-22 10:31:30 PM
B--b-b-b-b-ut ORGANIC!!111!111!1
 
2014-06-22 10:31:42 PM
"In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?
 
2014-06-22 10:48:09 PM

EvilEgg: Everything comes from nature at some point. Except perhaps angel food cake that has actual ground up angel in it.


Kind of makes you wonder if there's anything in the labeling laws against calling a food "Supernatural".
 
2014-06-22 11:22:24 PM
100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.
 
2014-06-22 11:23:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6m0TF9CUg
one of my favorite episodes of Organic Bullshiat!
 
2014-06-22 11:37:36 PM

Ambivalence: EvilEgg: Everything comes from nature at some point. Except perhaps angel food cake that has actual ground up angel in it.

Kind of makes you wonder if there's anything in the labeling laws against calling a food "Supernatural".


Supernatural foods! 
For the Cannibals in your household.
* warning eating the body and blood of zombie jesus will turn you into a mindless zombie.
 
2014-06-22 11:54:23 PM
"Natural stuff is GOOD FOR YOU!"
"Let's talk that over over smoothies.  I'll have a banana smoothie, and I'll get you... hemlock."
 
2014-06-22 11:56:25 PM
"Now with fewer Death spores!"
 
2014-06-22 11:58:26 PM
If it can exist it's natural.
 
2014-06-22 11:59:00 PM

ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?


Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.
 
2014-06-22 11:59:07 PM
Goat piss is 100% natural as well.
 
2014-06-23 12:00:12 AM
I guess I always assumed that it just meant that it came from the planet Natur.
 
2014-06-23 12:00:33 AM
I always get a kick out of those labels on things like chocolate bars or bacon bits or some other stuff that's bad for you....where they say "all natural ingredients."

It's that 66% who think that Costco-sized bag of Hershey's Chocolate is healthy for them.

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-23 12:00:35 AM
Is this arsenic free-range and fair-trade?
 
2014-06-23 12:00:45 AM

mr lawson: Goat piss is 100% natural as well.


But enough about Bud light.
 
2014-06-23 12:00:55 AM

itcamefromschenectady: Well, did those 66% agree on what they thought it meant?


i468.photobucket.com

DanZero: B--b-b-b-b-ut ORGANIC!!111!111!1


Actually has legal definitions in order to be labeled USDA Organic.
 
2014-06-23 12:02:24 AM
 
2014-06-23 12:04:31 AM

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.


My salt shaker would disagree with you.
 
2014-06-23 12:05:07 AM

Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.


It also seems to involve processing with chemicals and enzymes that mere civilians can't easily purchase.

But, basically, beyond that it is all natural... and therefore healthy!
 
2014-06-23 12:05:47 AM

Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.


I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.
 
2014-06-23 12:05:53 AM

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.


Depends on the chemical.

Nicotine dust and tobacco derivatives aren't approved for organic use, but I still see people saying "Go get some organic smokes, soak them in water, and use the resulting nicotine spray to kill pests".  Nictonoids kill everything. Nasty stuff, so nasty we came up with neonictonoids as a safer to human alternative.

Rotenone can be organically sourced.  Kills fish very very dead with very little, might be linked to Parkinson's.

Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.
 
2014-06-23 12:06:35 AM

Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.


Uhhh, er, um, you don't think cane sugar actually comes out in pretty white crystals, do you??
 
2014-06-23 12:06:47 AM

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.


That's what most supermarket products should be called. "Fud" instead of "Food".
 
2014-06-23 12:09:00 AM
Add "sushi grade" to the list of meaningless marketing terms.
 
2014-06-23 12:09:49 AM
Sad tag? Is that because the obvious tag died?
 
2014-06-23 12:11:02 AM
As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too
 
2014-06-23 12:11:07 AM
oi57.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-23 12:12:09 AM
Here's how far you can bend those words.  Here is a man in the midst of a field of something that is natural and organic.
i.telegraph.co.uk

Natural:  check.  The crude oil has not undergone extensive processing since being harvested.
Organic:  check.  In the field of chemistry, organic simply means that it is chemistry dealing with complex carbon-based molecules.  Plenty of those in there.
So get to work, mister bucket-man!  Our sales guys have got the bottles lined up for you to fill so we can ship it off to the hippie stores!
 
2014-06-23 12:12:48 AM

Jacobin: As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too


oh really?

bed56888308e93972c04-0dfc23b7b97881dee012a129d9518bae.r34.cf1.rackcdn.com

I'll follow that with.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-23 12:15:27 AM

ginandbacon: Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.

I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.


This.  If granular cane sugar is natural, then corn syrup is natural.  Both are highly refined in a similar manner.

zamboni: Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.

It also seems to involve processing with chemicals and enzymes that mere civilians can't easily purchase.



Fun fact: You can make corn syrup in your mouth.  As a fun experiment reach into your cupboard and pull out a bag of corn starch.  Take a small spoonful and put it in your mouth.  After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.  You make corn syrup in a plant in the same way, just on a bigger scale.
 
2014-06-23 12:16:03 AM
I've always taken it to mean contains it contains no elements with a periodic table number greater than Uranium (91)


/except 43, Techinetium none of that shait too!
//and while there is natural Promethium, I'd stay away from that too
 
2014-06-23 12:16:35 AM

ginandbacon: I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.


Sugar is grown in sugar canes and it's pretty pure the way it is. You just dump it out, like a pixie stick. It used to be sold in the original packaging (it looks like bamboo), but then people decided that those weren't Pure enough or something, so now we buy it in bags.

I can remember my mom buying it in 4-foot canes, enough to last us for a while. Then they invented candy canes, but those suck compared to the real thing.
 
2014-06-23 12:17:51 AM
FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.


That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.
 
2014-06-23 12:18:59 AM
oi60.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-23 12:21:33 AM
Organic actually has absolutely nothing to do with carbon when it comes to food labeling. But yes, natural literally means nothing on food: it's a marketing ploy.

Organic and USDA Organic are very different; the legal definition is very different from what many people expect. Just because someone does the leg work to become USDA Organic doesn't mean they aren't still evil mono-culture farmers.

There ARE some very good organic farmers out there---a few live just a few miles from where I live, and I can actually go and see how they take care of their farms. Not all organic farmers load up their farms with approved pesticides and insecticide---crop rotation, the presence of animals, and non-monoculture farms (ones that grow flowers, etc) reduce or eliminate the need for many of those sprays.

Luckily, despite Florida being well, Florida, we actually have some very good organic growers out here. Some of them don't bother applying for the USDA Organic label either---their customers know their food is good, because in some cases, their customers work the farms for shares of the yield.

/member of at least two farms to source healthy, local food without the use of nasty pesticides or bizarre fertilizers
//one farm sells elephant tea...made from elephant poop...for your plants
 
2014-06-23 12:21:59 AM

RogermcAllen: After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.


I was actually taught to do this with certain grains for breads. 

cryinoutloud: ginandbacon: I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.

Sugar is grown in sugar canes and it's pretty pure the way it is. You just dump it out, like a pixie stick. It used to be sold in the original packaging (it looks like bamboo), but then people decided that those weren't Pure enough or something, so now we buy it in bags.

I can remember my mom buying it in 4-foot canes, enough to last us for a while. Then they invented candy canes, but those suck compared to the real thing.


SHUT UP! I just had the most intense sense memory of my mam and my tia Carmen coming back from market every Saturday with canes for us kids to gnaw on while they smoked and drank coffee and gossiped. Oh man was that the life!
 
2014-06-23 12:23:58 AM

meat0918: Jacobin: As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too

oh really?


I see you and raise a Hawaiian specialty.
blog.creativelatvia.com

Mmm.  Inorganic crystals with extra dirt.  That's how we do it!
 
2014-06-23 12:27:22 AM

Ishidan: meat0918: Jacobin: As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too

oh really?

I see you and raise a Hawaiian specialty.
[blog.creativelatvia.com image 550x275]

Mmm.  Inorganic crystals with extra dirt.  That's how we do it!


I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.
 
2014-06-23 12:27:26 AM
Ruiizu
//one farm sells elephant tea...made from elephant poop...for your plants

I'm so glad you clarified those last two parts.  And doing it in that order is masterful trolling.
 
2014-06-23 12:29:07 AM

ginandbacon: RogermcAllen: After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.

I was actually taught to do this with certain grains for breads. 

cryinoutloud: ginandbacon: I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.

Sugar is grown in sugar canes and it's pretty pure the way it is. You just dump it out, like a pixie stick. It used to be sold in the original packaging (it looks like bamboo), but then people decided that those weren't Pure enough or something, so now we buy it in bags.

I can remember my mom buying it in 4-foot canes, enough to last us for a while. Then they invented candy canes, but those suck compared to the real thing.

SHUT UP! I just had the most intense sense memory of my mam and my tia Carmen coming back from market every Saturday with canes for us kids to gnaw on while they smoked and drank coffee and gossiped. Oh man was that the life!


I was picking up dinner at my favorite Cuban place a few weeks ago and I noticed they had a new machine behind the counter.  I asked about it, and apparently it's designed to process sugar cane stalks into a sugar cane drink.  I decided to try a glass, and they just fed several stalks through, which were rolled and squeezed until the cane juice came out of the bottom, so basically it's a sugar cane juicer.

The actual cane juice was... different.  Not bad, but not something I'm likely to go for again.  I much prefer the malta drink.
 
2014-06-23 12:29:09 AM
yes
Yes I know.
Salt is a mineral.
But it isnt food. (or FUD)
I guess you could rationally argue that FOOD has calories.
Essential vitamins and minerals are things that we typically get while eating the food.

You can live a long time on ... just eating potatoes. (strange, you can get 100% of your essential amino acids from potatoes. wtf)
If you just eat salt, you would be dead by the end of the day.

/meh
 
2014-06-23 12:30:51 AM
Extra rust, I guess I should say, since the component of interest in alae salt is iron oxide.
Mmmm.  Rust.
 
2014-06-23 12:31:33 AM

RogermcAllen: Fun fact: You can make corn syrup in your mouth. As a fun experiment reach into your cupboard and pull out a bag of corn starch. Take a small spoonful and put it in your mouth. After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet. You make corn syrup in a plant in the same way, just on a bigger scale.


Cool... next time I want to sweeten a beverage I'll just put some corn starch in my mouth and wait instead,

Good tip!
 
2014-06-23 12:32:07 AM

meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.


I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.
 
2014-06-23 12:32:30 AM

meat0918: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Depends on the chemical.

Nicotine dust and tobacco derivatives aren't approved for organic use, but I still see people saying "Go get some organic smokes, soak them in water, and use the resulting nicotine spray to kill pests".  Nictonoids kill everything. Nasty stuff, so nasty we came up with neonictonoids as a safer to human alternative.

Rotenone can be organically sourced.  Kills fish very very dead with very little, might be linked to Parkinson's.

Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.


Mhmm
I really should get some smokes next time my plants get bugs.
Stranger still, most/some of the synthetic pesticides/herbicides/poisons are designed to break down quicker than natural poisons. Making them "safer."

But unless we are willing to kill 3-5 billion people, we can never go all "organic."
Certainly cant get rid of GMO.
 
2014-06-23 12:32:31 AM

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.

That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.


They could label added hormone free but testing wouldn't be able to tell you. We can't test for additional hormones. You want to know why? It's because every glass of milk contains the same hormones regardless of source.
 
2014-06-23 12:33:46 AM

TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: RogermcAllen: After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.

I was actually taught to do this with certain grains for breads. 

cryinoutloud: ginandbacon: I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.

Sugar is grown in sugar canes and it's pretty pure the way it is. You just dump it out, like a pixie stick. It used to be sold in the original packaging (it looks like bamboo), but then people decided that those weren't Pure enough or something, so now we buy it in bags.

I can remember my mom buying it in 4-foot canes, enough to last us for a while. Then they invented candy canes, but those suck compared to the real thing.

SHUT UP! I just had the most intense sense memory of my mam and my tia Carmen coming back from market every Saturday with canes for us kids to gnaw on while they smoked and drank coffee and gossiped. Oh man was that the life!

I was picking up dinner at my favorite Cuban place a few weeks ago and I noticed they had a new machine behind the counter.  I asked about it, and apparently it's designed to process sugar cane stalks into a sugar cane drink.  I decided to try a glass, and they just fed several stalks through, which were rolled and squeezed until the cane juice came out of the bottom, so basically it's a sugar cane juicer.

The actual cane juice was... different.  Not bad, but not something I'm likely to go for again.  I much prefer the malta drink.


Malta is awesome. I'm not sure I would want pure cane juice. That's a tooth dropping kind of sweet right there.
 
2014-06-23 12:35:16 AM

Ishidan: meat0918: Jacobin: As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too

oh really?

I see you and raise a Hawaiian specialty.
[blog.creativelatvia.com image 550x275]

Mmm.  Inorganic crystals with extra dirt.  That's how we do it!


Better than this stuff:

upload.wikimedia.org

"Sodium chloride provides kala namak with its salty taste, iron sulphide provides its dark violet hue, and all the sulphur compounds give kala namak its slight savory taste as well as a highly distinctive smell, with hydrogen sulphide being the most prominent contributor to the smell."

Mmmmm. Yummy, yummy sulfur.
 
2014-06-23 12:38:25 AM

namatad: meat0918: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Depends on the chemical.

Nicotine dust and tobacco derivatives aren't approved for organic use, but I still see people saying "Go get some organic smokes, soak them in water, and use the resulting nicotine spray to kill pests".  Nictonoids kill everything. Nasty stuff, so nasty we came up with neonictonoids as a safer to human alternative.

Rotenone can be organically sourced.  Kills fish very very dead with very little, might be linked to Parkinson's.

Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.

Mhmm
I really should get some smokes next time my plants get bugs.
Stranger still, most/some of the synthetic pesticides/herbicides/poisons are designed to break down quicker than natural poisons. Making them "safer."

But unless we are willing to kill 3-5 billion people, we can never go all "organic."
Certainly cant get rid of GMO.


I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).
 
2014-06-23 12:38:57 AM

namatad: yes
Yes I know.
Salt is a mineral.
But it isnt food. (or FUD)
I guess you could rationally argue that FOOD has calories.
Essential vitamins and minerals are things that we typically get while eating the food.

You can live a long time on ... just eating potatoes. (strange, you can get 100% of your essential amino acids from potatoes. wtf)
If you just eat salt, you would be dead by the end of the day.

/meh


I think you would be begging for death before the end of the day.
 
2014-06-23 12:44:10 AM

EvilEgg: Everything comes from nature at some point. Except perhaps angel food cake that has actual ground up angel in it.


But are your girlscout cookies made of real girlscouts?


/not obscure
//too tired
///for more slashies
 
2014-06-23 12:46:50 AM

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.

That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.

They could label added hormone free but testing wouldn't be able to tell you. We can't test for additional hormones. You want to know why? It's because every glass of milk contains the same hormones regardless of source.


Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.
 
2014-06-23 12:48:43 AM

cryinoutloud: meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.

I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.


depending on how sensitive you and your tongue are, you might be able to taste the iodine


"By the fall of 1924, Morton Salt Company began distributing iodised salt nationally. There was a gradual increase in average intelligence of 1 standard deviation, 15 points, in iodine-deficient areas, 3.5 points nationally, but also an increase in deaths of older people in iodine-deficient areas due to hyperthyroidism.[16] "
what the fark?!!
 
2014-06-23 12:49:06 AM

RogermcAllen: ginandbacon: Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.

I'm curious how you think sugar is produced. Or even honey for that matter, speaking of vomit.

This.  If granular cane sugar is natural, then corn syrup is natural.  Both are highly refined in a similar manner.

zamboni: Delta1212: ginandbacon: "In New Jersey, U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Lois Goodman asked for FDA guidance "on whether [high fructose corn syrup] is indeed a natural ingredient or not."

In what universe would corn syrup not be natural?

Do you think that you just squeeze corn and syrup comes out? It's highly processed. High fructose corn syrup is basically corn that's been group up and partially digested.

It also seems to involve processing with chemicals and enzymes that mere civilians can't easily purchase.


Fun fact: You can make corn syrup in your mouth.  As a fun experiment reach into your cupboard and pull out a bag of corn starch.  Take a small spoonful and put it in your mouth.  After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.  You make corn syrup in a plant in the same way, just on a bigger scale.


Interestingly, that's how Chicha, a native South American corn beer is started; the brewer grinds corn into mush, and then repeatedly spits into the mixture. The amylase in the saliva begins the conversion of starch to sugars, priming it for fermentation.
 
2014-06-23 12:50:40 AM

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.


Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.
 
2014-06-23 12:51:14 AM

meat0918: I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).


what about my orchids? because I SWEAR TO farkING GOD, if I get meally bugs one more farking time. FFS
 
2014-06-23 12:53:35 AM

CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.


yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD
 
2014-06-23 12:54:29 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.

That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.

They could label added hormone free but testing wouldn't be able to tell you. We can't test for additional hormones. You want to know why? It's because every glass of milk contains the same hormones regardless of source.

Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.


I thought they came back around and pointed at better nutrition as well as obesity.  It's a growth hormone.  It's not an estrogen-like or a testosterone-like compound.

I choose non-rBST milk not because of my health, but because it's pretty horrible for the cows.
 
2014-06-23 12:56:27 AM
capitalism!
 
2014-06-23 12:56:36 AM

namatad: meat0918: I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).

what about my orchids? because I SWEAR TO farkING GOD, if I get meally bugs one more farking time. FFS


TMV can spread to orchids if it is the right strain.
 
2014-06-23 12:59:15 AM
RogermcAllen:

Fun fact: You can make corn syrup in your mouth.  As a fun experiment reach into your cupboard and pull out a bag of corn starch.  Take a small spoonful and put it in your mouth.  After a while amylase (an enzyme) in your saliva will start to break the starch down into dextrose (corn sugar) and you will start to taste sweet.  You make corn syrup in a plant in the same way, just on a bigger scale.

Yes both alpha amylase in your saliva and pancreatic amylase break down long chain carbohydrare into simple sugars. You can do it with wonderbread in your mouth. Farkers would probably be more entertained by the way beer wort goes from bitter to sweet. similar ensime[sic] laptop missing that key.process
 
2014-06-23 01:01:45 AM
When I found out that my local smoothie place was cutting my drink with 20% ectoplasm, boy was I pissed. Look, I don't mind ectoplasm but sell it to me at ectoplasm prices.
 
2014-06-23 01:05:58 AM

namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD



It depends on how you define "food". I believe that in some jurisdictions there is a formal meaning of food that includes anything that is added to things people eat.

It's a small point, but worth noting, especially given your previous posts. In the same spirit be aware that the word "organic" has different meanings. The chemical definition is different from what is meant when referring to organic foods, organic movements, and can also differ from the formal meaning in different certification schemes.
 
2014-06-23 01:15:47 AM
Snake venom is all natural and 100% organic. Enjoy!
 
2014-06-23 01:16:48 AM
People like to think that "natural" and "organic" means "no weird chemicals that will cause cancer because cancer is bad."

Sometimes this is true. Often,  in fact. However, merely because a thing lacks man-made, potentially cancer-causing chemicals does not necessarily mean it is better for you, or that the chemical thing is worse.

Just tonight, my mom and I were discussing preservatives. There are of course "unnatural" preservatives, and natural ones. The natural ones include salt, sugar (in all its forms), citric acid, and smoke. All of those are pure, unadulterated, natural things. However, whether salted meat is BETTER for you than meat preserved with BHT is not certain; whether candied fruit is BETTER than fruit packaged with chemical preservatives...well, you see how it goes. But it's certainly natural.

It would be nice if we could all eat nothing but fresh food year-round, but that's not gonna happen either.
 
2014-06-23 01:18:13 AM
True that. At work, corporate rolled out a new line, based on the word "natural." Which it isn't. Not even close. It is a marketing campaign which has been very successful at making people pay more for the same product, just by changing the packaging. Suckers. Born every minute ... more like every second, nowadays.
 
2014-06-23 01:23:38 AM

meat0918: Pyrethrin is pretty mild though.


i18.photobucket.com

Did someone say "Pyrethrin"?
 
2014-06-23 01:26:26 AM
To my dad "natural ingredients" means don't buy unless you have allergy medicine on hand and/or stomach medicine depending on the reaction.

It's an automatic no.

Most of the "natural" ingredients include the citric acid that's manufactured from mold.  And corn syrup. As well as some other random crap he's learned over the years to mean "Well, I'm on the toilet for a few hours"
 
2014-06-23 01:31:21 AM
I'm a Libertarian and for there to be no Federal regulations surrounding the use of the word "natural" is just terrific. Free market FTW!!

/Not really.
 
2014-06-23 01:47:12 AM
In other news, most people are idiots.
 
2014-06-23 02:15:29 AM

meat0918: TuteTibiImperes: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  When consumers see the word on meat or poultry, 70% think it means no growth hormones were used in the animals feed and 60% think the animals got no antibiotics or other drugs in their feed.
The problem is, consumers are wrong.
Under federal labeling rules, the word natural means absolutely nothing.

That's a problem that should be addressed, unfortunately the corporate ag lobby has fought against measures that allowed consumers to be educated about what they're buying.  For example, Monsanto fought to overturn a law that allowed for milk taken from cows given growth hormones to be labeled as such.

There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.

If you want to be pedantic yes, everything is 'natural' and all food is 'organic' but the terms don't have to be defined by the pedants on food labels.  Ice cream made with vanilla flavoring derived from combing numerous chemicals (all of natural origin) to produce a vanilla flavor may be technically natural, but it isn't the same as ice cream made with actual vanilla beans to provide that flavor.

Yes, we can all read the labels, but it would be nice to have an enforceable logo on products that would mean no ingredients were created in a lab.

They could label added hormone free but testing wouldn't be able to tell you. We can't test for additional hormones. You want to know why? It's because every glass of milk contains the same hormones regardless of source.

Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.

I thought they came back around and pointed at better nutr ...


Has to do with the amount of animal fat. Animal fat supposedly increases the amount of estrogen in the human body, though I'm unsure about the mechanism.  Some study i read years upon years ago dealt with some Eskimo tribes and how the girls would hit puberty around 8 years old. Had something to do with their high blubber diets and lack of exercise. Pretty sure that seals aren't infused with extra GSH.

Besides, wouldn't any GSH consumed be broken down by our organs before it hit the brain?
 
2014-06-23 03:00:41 AM

namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD


Try not eating any salt for a month and get back to us.
 
2014-06-23 03:02:35 AM
Hyponatremia anyone?
 
2014-06-23 03:13:20 AM

namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION


You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?
 
2014-06-23 05:01:42 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
All-natural brain food.
 
2014-06-23 06:15:12 AM
I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF
 
2014-06-23 07:21:36 AM

namatad: meat0918: I know you're joking, but please, no.  Some of those places I've seen the cigarette tea pesticides advised don't even warn you not to spray it on tomatoes or peppers (tobacco mosaic virus).

what about my orchids? because I SWEAR TO farkING GOD, if I get meally bugs one more farking time. FFS


I've had good luck with neem oil.
 
2014-06-23 07:27:47 AM

cryinoutloud: meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.

I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.


Sounds like what happens to me every Friday when StoryCorps comes on Morning Edition.  I don't know how I'm still alive after having killed myself so many times.  I have the same superpower as Kenny I guess.
 
2014-06-23 07:40:21 AM

Jacobin: As opposed to super natural?

Organic simply means not inorganic

Since you can't eat rocks that's meaningless too



I'll take your comment with a grain of salt.
 
2014-06-23 07:45:07 AM

Ruiizu: Organic actually has absolutely nothing to do with carbon when it comes to food labeling. But yes, natural literally means nothing on food: it's a marketing ploy.

Organic and USDA Organic are very different; the legal definition is very different from what many people expect. Just because someone does the leg work to become USDA Organic doesn't mean they aren't still evil mono-culture farmers.

There ARE some very good organic farmers out there---a few live just a few miles from where I live, and I can actually go and see how they take care of their farms. Not all organic farmers load up their farms with approved pesticides and insecticide---crop rotation, the presence of animals, and non-monoculture farms (ones that grow flowers, etc) reduce or eliminate the need for many of those sprays.

Luckily, despite Florida being well, Florida, we actually have some very good organic growers out here. Some of them don't bother applying for the USDA Organic label either---their customers know their food is good, because in some cases, their customers work the farms for shares of the yield.

/member of at least two farms to source healthy, local food without the use of nasty pesticides or bizarre fertilizers
//one farm sells elephant tea...made from elephant poop...for your plants


I help run a local, quote unquote organic farmers market. As in, we don't give a crap about federal designations - as you imply it's been co-opted some time ago - and just require market applicants to document their practices. Most are small time folks who couldn't afford the cert anyway.

Yeah, some 'organic' pesticides are nasty. Nastier than their non organic counterpart, well...
 
2014-06-23 08:27:05 AM

Gyrfalcon: People like to think that "natural" and "organic" means "no weird chemicals that will cause cancer because cancer is bad."

Sometimes this is true. Often,  in fact. However, merely because a thing lacks man-made, potentially cancer-causing chemicals does not necessarily mean it is better for you, or that the chemical thing is worse.

Just tonight, my mom and I were discussing preservatives. There are of course "unnatural" preservatives, and natural ones. The natural ones include salt, sugar (in all its forms), citric acid, and smoke. All of those are pure, unadulterated, natural things. However, whether salted meat is BETTER for you than meat preserved with BHT is not certain; whether candied fruit is BETTER than fruit packaged with chemical preservatives...well, you see how it goes. But it's certainly natural.

It would be nice if we could all eat nothing but fresh food year-round, but that's not gonna happen either.


Lemon juice and cinnamon are also excellent preservatives, cinnamon being one of the absolute best. Pickling/fermenting is also a great option, and it also increases the nutritional value of many foods. Unfortunately much of "fermented" foods have been hijacked with all sorts of horrible preservatives. Bubbies and Eden both have some great fermented stuff, with no preservatives added.

/good for the gut
 
2014-06-23 08:31:04 AM
I'm not a fan of organic, and natural foods, they are mostly marketing ploys, and I wouldn't want the world to cultivate their food like that only if we are first willing to cut the population by half.

Having said that let us compare our ancestors to us, which were all fed on "natural" foods.
-They didn't live as long as us.
-They weren't healthier than us.

The only thing that the data shows (maybe because of misdiagnosis or medical ignorance) is that yes, today we do suffer from many more forms and occurrences of cancer. If we could only find a cure for cancer I would start selling DDT.
 
2014-06-23 09:23:46 AM
cdn0.lostateminor.com
Natural
 
2014-06-23 09:24:17 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.


I think that is a commonly stated "fact" amongst the naturophiles but is actually not true at all.

It is actually linked to early obesity, instead (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/08/health/08real.html?_r=0 )
 
2014-06-23 09:48:12 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz


Cheez Whiz is created entirely without the use of magical or supernatural processes. It's completely natural.
 
2014-06-23 09:52:29 AM

Captain Horatio Mindblower: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz

Cheez Whiz is created entirely without the use of magical or supernatural processes. It's completely natural.


It may have been natural somewhere

/but not here
//not of this world
 
2014-06-23 10:20:09 AM

machoprogrammer: TuteTibiImperes: Milk from hormone treated cows has elevated levels of the hormones however.  I remember reading something about a link being found between various hormones used in meat and dairy production and earlier onset of puberty in adolescents who consumed those products.

I think that is a commonly stated "fact" amongst the naturophiles but is actually not true at all.

It is actually linked to early obesity, instead (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/08/health/08real.html?_r=0 )


I think the "something read" part was broken down by men who stare at breasts in the early 90s.  "A lot more women have bigger breasts these days than women used to. It's the growth hormones man"
 
2014-06-23 10:33:20 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Captain Horatio Mindblower: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz

Cheez Whiz is created entirely without the use of magical or supernatural processes. It's completely natural.

It may have been natural somewhere

/but not here
//not of this world


On the contrary, it isn't supernatural at all. It's as natural as a nuclear reactor. It's as natural as a bioluminescent transgenic cat. It's as natural as Kevlar.
 
2014-06-23 10:36:11 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Captain Horatio Mindblower: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING natural about Cheez Whiz

Cheez Whiz is created entirely without the use of magical or supernatural processes. It's completely natural.

It may have been natural somewhere

/but not here
//not of this world


If by that you mean "OUT OF THIS WORLD," then yeah.
 
2014-06-23 10:37:59 AM

cwolf20: I think the "something read" part was broken down by men who stare at breasts in the early 90s. "A lot more women have bigger breasts these days than women used to. It's the growth hormones man"


I didn't realize how many women had boob jobs nowadays but--a lot of women are cosmetically enhanced anymore. I bet boob jobs are downright common in the cities and places where women make more money.
 
2014-06-23 11:20:25 AM

Jument: Snake venom is all natural and 100% organic. Enjoy!


It's a protein.  You can digest it just fine.  Just don't inject it in your veins.
 
2014-06-23 11:23:07 AM
caveat emptor

You have an internet full of information about what you are putting in your body.

USE IT, FOR fark'S SAKE!!

If you don't, you obviously don't really care that much, so that's your problem.
 
2014-06-23 11:46:31 AM

mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF


The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.
 
2014-06-23 11:54:46 AM

Tobin_Lam: mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF

The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.


Not all natural peanut butters contain palm oil.  Peanuts contain plenty of oil themselves, and there are brands that are just peanuts and salt and nothing else.

Of course, that makes the texture different, and it tends to separate in the jar, but stir it up and it's good to go.
 
2014-06-23 12:10:39 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Tobin_Lam: mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF

The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.

Not all natural peanut butters contain palm oil.  Peanuts contain plenty of oil themselves, and there are brands that are just peanuts and salt and nothing else.

Of course, that makes the texture different, and it tends to separate in the jar, but stir it up and it's good to go.


I suppose that's true, it just isn't true for the major brands, though.
 
2014-06-23 01:34:29 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Tobin_Lam: mike_d85: I buy "Natural" peanut butter. After tasting I know the difference. They leave the papery husk in there. I like it. Tastes more like whole peanuts.

/JIF

The irony is that "natural" peanut butter has such a large amount of palm oil, which is high in saturated fat, that it no longer meets the FDA's definition of peanut butter, which can be up to 10% by weight other ingredients.

Not all natural peanut butters contain palm oil.  Peanuts contain plenty of oil themselves, and there are brands that are just peanuts and salt and nothing else.

Of course, that makes the texture different, and it tends to separate in the jar, but stir it up and it's good to go.


Stirring is a pain in the ass, without getting oil everywhere but I still stock up on Teddy's whenever it's on sale or I'm at Job Lot.  Haven't found an easy, quick way to stir it yet.  I need to rig up a cap that threads onto the jar and has a built in plunge type mixer/stirrer.  I bet people would buy that if it worked well.
 
2014-06-23 03:16:48 PM

cryinoutloud: meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.

I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.


Why not take out a bunch of fancie food farkers first and make it a murder suicide? Selfish. I am disapoint.
 
2014-06-23 03:28:46 PM
George Carlin on advertising.

/oblig
//lesson?  Markerters are like politicians
///they're both stunningly full of shiat
////*bows*
 
2014-06-23 04:37:12 PM

Damnhippyfreak: namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD


It depends on how you define "food". I believe that in some jurisdictions there is a formal meaning of food that includes anything that is added to things people eat.

It's a small point, but worth noting, especially given your previous posts. In the same spirit be aware that the word "organic" has different meanings. The chemical definition is different from what is meant when referring to organic foods, organic movements, and can also differ from the formal meaning in different certification schemes.


eyup
and when a word ... like organic has no common definition, it then has almost no meaning ... or worse, people make completely false assumptions.
that organic fruit, that was sprayed with organic pesticides is much more dangerous to the people spraying and the people eating.

BUT IT'S ORGANIC !!!
DOH
 
2014-06-23 04:40:08 PM

finnished: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?


mmmm no
Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.
So as a scientist is work with theories morning noon and night.
Why would anyone think that something is "just a theory" ... OF COURSE it IS just a theory. And if anyone ever comes up with a better theory for evolution, it will replace the existing theory.
(not going to happen. minor revisions and better understandings - yes, outright replacement? LOL not going to happen.)
 
2014-06-23 04:47:35 PM

Mose: Stirring is a pain in the ass, without getting oil everywhere but I still stock up on Teddy's whenever it's on sale or I'm at Job Lot. Haven't found an easy, quick way to stir it yet. I need to rig up a cap that threads onto the jar and has a built in plunge type mixer/stirrer. I bet people would buy that if it worked well.


They already sell them...

ecx.images-amazon.com
www.stonewallkitchen.com

I haven't tried one yet... I too buy Teddy brand, and have found that if I stick to the smaller jars (16oz, I think?), they're easy enough to stir thoroughly with just a butter knife... With the larger jars, it's hard to reach the bottom of the jar and stir everything up properly, so you usually end up with an overly runny top half and overly solid bottom half, because the oil never got distributed properly...

Also, Teddy is about the only brand I've found that doesn't fill their jars right to the farking brim, making it impossible to stir when opening a new jar! They seem to leave just the right amount of room for initial stirring without making a mess...
 
2014-06-23 05:42:11 PM

cryinoutloud: meat0918: I must be a salt heathen, because I can't taste anything different between regular old iodized salt and the pink Himalayan salt we got a year or two ago on a lark.

I was listening to some NPR show about fancy foodie farkers, and they were talking about an entire store devoted to salt. Hundreds of different kinds of salt.
And then I killed myself, so I don't know what happened next.


Yeah the company christmas party had like a build your own ice cream bar with all sorts of toppings.
me: "Hey, what's that one?  Looks like salt or something."
co-worker: (take little scoop and eats it)  "yeah, it's Himalayan Pink Salt.  I'm kind of a connoisseur of salts."
me: "tastes like normal salt to me..."
 
2014-06-23 06:07:11 PM

TuteTibiImperes: There should be a label for meat and dairy that requires said meat and dairy to have not been treated with antibiotics or various hormones.  Additional labeling to show grass fed and/or free range production would also be useful.


No. If you want meat or milk not treated with antibiotics, find meat labeled as such. There have been zero studies showing harm to consumers of meat treated with antibiotics, as well as zero studies showing any difference at all to consumers of milk with or without BGH.

Purchasing such items is even more pointless than buying bread without gluten if you're not gluten intolerant, and they don't require labeling normal bread as "Contains gluten."
 
2014-06-23 08:47:47 PM
A current ad for Capri Sun fruit drinks tout their being all-natural.  They are.  Sugar and water are natural substances.
 
2014-06-23 09:12:16 PM

namatad: Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.


But when tomato labels say "Organic", they don't mean organic in the scientific term. Of course tomatoes are organic in that way. But that's not what they're talking about.
 
2014-06-23 10:16:25 PM

namatad: Damnhippyfreak: namatad: CujoQuarrel: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

/bet these same idiots think that there "organic" fud is pesticide free. ROFLMFAO. No assholes, they just use organic pesticides. Much more deadly than manmade. HAHAHAH
//wait, this could be a good thing. Esp if they die out quicker from all their "organic" poisons.

Nope (but close)


We eat rocks. AKA Salt.

yes yes ... this has been covered ...
salt is added to food
no one EATS salt as FOOD


It depends on how you define "food". I believe that in some jurisdictions there is a formal meaning of food that includes anything that is added to things people eat.

It's a small point, but worth noting, especially given your previous posts. In the same spirit be aware that the word "organic" has different meanings. The chemical definition is different from what is meant when referring to organic foods, organic movements, and can also differ from the formal meaning in different certification schemes.


eyup
and when a word ... like organic has no common definition, it then has almost no meaning ... or worse, people make completely false assumptions.


Not sure about this. The word 'organic' has multiple meanings. I hope I don't need to remind your that words with more than one meaning is a very common thing. We manage to make it work when people are actually aware of different meanings and can infer which is which depending on the context.

I suggest that it is simply a lack of people's knowledge and not a problem with the term itself that would enable people to, for example, make a completely false assumption and mistake "organic" in a chemical sense from "organic" in the food sense.


namatad: that organic fruit, that was sprayed with organic pesticides is much more dangerous to the people spraying and the people eating.

BUT IT'S ORGANIC !!!
DOH



Such a thing is possible, but one has to take into account how likely it is. When something is labelled "organic", in jurisdictions where such has a formal meaning, this means the foodstuff as well as where it was grown go through a certification process, and what pesticides can be used on it is much more controlled (not to mention whatever ongoing inspection and compliance scheme is in place) . This renders organic produce much less likely for such an occurrence. Be careful you're not arguing against a straw-man of "completely safe" instead of what "organic" actually means.
 
2014-06-23 10:23:27 PM

namatad: finnished: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?

mmmm no
Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.
So as a scientist is work with theories morning noon and night.
Why would anyone think that something is "just a theory" ... OF COURSE it IS just a theory. And if anyone ever comes up with a better theory for evolution, it will replace the existing theory.
(not going to happen. minor revisions and better understandings - yes, outright replacement? LOL not going to happen.)



You might have missed the point of the post you're responding to, which is that the word "theory" (just like "organic") has different meanings, and criticizing one meaning based on a completely other meaning is misleading. The post you're responding to is referring to when people mistakenly criticize a "theory" based on one meaning of the word (something akin to conjecture), while the actual intended meaning is something else (an established set of connected explanations for something). In the same vein, criticizing the idea of "organic" food based on the chemical definition of "organic", as you have done, is equally misleading.
 
2014-06-23 10:26:33 PM

namatad: finnished: namatad: 100% of all food that you eat if ORGANIC.
BY DEFINITION

You're one of those people who claims that The Theory of Evolution is "just a theory", aren't you?

mmmm no
Because theory is a concisely defined scientific term.
So as a scientist is work with theories morning noon and night.
Why would anyone think that something is "just a theory" ... OF COURSE it IS just a theory. And if anyone ever comes up with a better theory for evolution, it will replace the existing theory.
(not going to happen. minor revisions and better understandings - yes, outright replacement? LOL not going to happen.)


I forgot to link to  a good explanation of "theory" in scientific usage vs popular usage, since you may be unclear on the existence of a difference.
 
2014-06-24 11:14:16 AM
Damnhippyfreak:You might have missed the point of the post you're responding to, which is that the word "theory" (just like "organic") has different meanings, and criticizing one meaning based on a completely other meaning is misleading. The post you're responding to is referring to when people mistakenly criticize a "theory" based on one meaning of the word (something akin to conjecture), while the actual intended meaning is something else (an established set of connected explanations for something). In the same vein, criticizing the idea of "organic" food based on the chemical definition of "organic", as you have done, is equally misleading.

Exactly. The word "organic" when it comes to food, has a pretty well defined meaning too (unlike some other terms, like "natural" for example).
 
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