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(Reuters)   "More than a million Honda vehicles could be subject to an upcoming recall for Takata air bags that are at risk of exploding and shooting shrapnel at passengers and drivers, according to a person with knowledge of the matter"   (uk.reuters.com) divider line 19
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2014-06-22 06:49:54 PM
That sounds like a security system from RoboCop.
 
2014-06-22 08:16:42 PM
Isn't that just how airbags work?
 
2014-06-22 08:24:07 PM
so it shoots an Insecticon at people? O.o damn it japan.
 
2014-06-22 08:26:03 PM
Has anybody suggested replacing the airbag with a metal spike pointing at the driver's chest to improve driving behavior yet?
 
2014-06-22 08:33:22 PM

Unobtanium: Has anybody suggested replacing the airbag with a metal spike pointing at the driver's chest to improve driving behavior yet?


A metal spike would be safer, therefore people would equilibrate and take more risks. Which is exactly what we don't want.

I like how articles like this always remind us of how many lives airbags have supposedly saved, yet then we read that the potentially defective airbags are being disabled. The rhetoric about risks doesn't match the actions.
 
2014-06-22 08:36:41 PM
Once again I spy the hidden hand of the cost engineer.

"Hell why waste money on the name brand. Just stick a Takata in there. Nobody will ever know the difference."

Sank Detroit, got Nippon lined up in the crosshairs and about to unload a couple of tubes on it.
 
2014-06-22 08:38:09 PM
The car tuns you to the dark side of the force.
 
2014-06-22 09:54:53 PM

Mentat: That sounds like a security system from RoboCop.


Don't ever change...
 
2014-06-22 09:58:07 PM

grimlock1972: so it shoots an Insecticon at people? O.o damn it japan.


The modules in question are likely made in the Mexico plant.

the same plant that has burned down or exploded 3 times since the north American division of Takata took it over.

/Noth America Takata is very different from Japan Takata. .. tho Japan owns them
 
2014-06-22 10:15:17 PM
When you get the parts from a place that detonates 2 to 6 times a year, what do you expect. The car companies should have been keeping eye on their supplier quality more closely. A little random engineering testing of parts you get is a good idea. Better to rework than recall.

Having some knowledge of the Moses Lake, WA plant and the general operating practices of the management of Takata's American subsidiary, I am surprised this hadn't happened sooner. Quality and training are foreign ideas to them. They DO NOT operate under the same ideals of their parent company and have shamed them greatly!

SpeedyBB: Once again I spy the hidden hand of the cost engineer.

"Hell why waste money on the name brand. Just stick a Takata in there. Nobody will ever know the difference."

Sank Detroit, got Nippon lined up in the crosshairs and about to unload a couple of tubes on it.


Takata has been making the safety equipment for 80% of cars for over 20 years. They  are the name brand. The only other solutions is to make the equipment in house (which for airbags means building and operating an explosives plant) or buy from way more expensive (Volvo sells theirs, for a couple limbs and part of a soul...per unit) or less reputable suppliers.

The problems with the Takata parts are from poor business practices by Takata's American subsidiary. The management is so focused on cost cutting to look like they are improving the processes while not spending any money that they have thrown out the baby with the bathwater and the tub. They do this all in the name of getting their quarterly and yearly bonuses.

Example: their idea of LEAN is to time the workers on every task to meet a task time that is set not by watching and timing experienced workers, but by some ergonomics engineer on the other side of the country. Plus, if the process is changed or added to, the time isn't checked. Add to these write ups and threats of termination for exceeding the times and not allowing for unexpected circumstances (break downs, labor shortages, mistakes due to poor training) and you get rushed workers that worry more about getting canned than if they did the job correct.

\sorry for the long post, but that place is a death trap that makes death traps
 
2014-06-22 10:18:24 PM

DORMAMU: grimlock1972: so it shoots an Insecticon at people? O.o damn it japan.

The modules in question are likely made in the Mexico plant.

the same plant that has burned down or exploded 3 times since the north American division of Takata took it over.

/Noth America Takata is very different from Japan Takata. .. tho Japan owns them


The explosive parts are made in the Moses Lake, WA plant and then shipped to the Mexico plant for assembly into the airbag modules. Moses Lake is in an arid area; the Mexico plant is sub tropical with a river running through it. I think we know where the moisture came from.
 
2014-06-22 10:32:05 PM

gozar_the_destroyer: When you get the parts from a place that detonates 2 to 6 times a year, what do you expect. The car companies should have been keeping eye on their supplier quality more closely. A little random engineering testing of parts you get is a good idea. Better to rework than recall.

Having some knowledge of the Moses Lake, WA plant and the general operating practices of the management of Takata's American subsidiary, I am surprised this hadn't happened sooner. Quality and training are foreign ideas to them. They DO NOT operate under the same ideals of their parent company and have shamed them greatly!

SpeedyBB: Once again I spy the hidden hand of the cost engineer.

"Hell why waste money on the name brand. Just stick a Takata in there. Nobody will ever know the difference."

Sank Detroit, got Nippon lined up in the crosshairs and about to unload a couple of tubes on it.

Takata has been making the safety equipment for 80% of cars for over 20 years. They  are the name brand. The only other solutions is to make the equipment in house (which for airbags means building and operating an explosives plant) or buy from way more expensive (Volvo sells theirs, for a couple limbs and part of a soul...per unit) or less reputable suppliers.

The problems with the Takata parts are from poor business practices by Takata's American subsidiary. The management is so focused on cost cutting to look like they are improving the processes while not spending any money that they have thrown out the baby with the bathwater and the tub. They do this all in the name of getting their quarterly and yearly bonuses.

Example: their idea of LEAN is to time the workers on every task to meet a task time that is set not by watching and timing experienced workers, but by some ergonomics engineer on the other side of the country. Plus, if the process is changed or added to, the time isn't checked. Add to these write ups and threats of termination for exceeding the times and not allowing for unexpected circumstances (break downs, labor shortages, mistakes due to poor training) and you get rushed workers that worry more about getting canned than if they did the job correct.

\sorry for the long post, but that place is a death trap that makes death traps


And everyone thought I was crazy when I hitched my horse outside at work!
 
2014-06-22 10:37:05 PM

picturescrazy: gozar_the_destroyer: When you get the parts from a place that detonates 2 to 6 times a year, what do you expect. The car companies should have been keeping eye on their supplier quality more closely. A little random engineering testing of parts you get is a good idea. Better to rework than recall.

Having some knowledge of the Moses Lake, WA plant and the general operating practices of the management of Takata's American subsidiary, I am surprised this hadn't happened sooner. Quality and training are foreign ideas to them. They DO NOT operate under the same ideals of their parent company and have shamed them greatly!

SpeedyBB: Once again I spy the hidden hand of the cost engineer.

"Hell why waste money on the name brand. Just stick a Takata in there. Nobody will ever know the difference."

Sank Detroit, got Nippon lined up in the crosshairs and about to unload a couple of tubes on it.

Takata has been making the safety equipment for 80% of cars for over 20 years. They  are the name brand. The only other solutions is to make the equipment in house (which for airbags means building and operating an explosives plant) or buy from way more expensive (Volvo sells theirs, for a couple limbs and part of a soul...per unit) or less reputable suppliers.

The problems with the Takata parts are from poor business practices by Takata's American subsidiary. The management is so focused on cost cutting to look like they are improving the processes while not spending any money that they have thrown out the baby with the bathwater and the tub. They do this all in the name of getting their quarterly and yearly bonuses.

Example: their idea of LEAN is to time the workers on every task to meet a task time that is set not by watching and timing experienced workers, but by some ergonomics engineer on the other side of the country. Plus, if the process is changed or added to, the time isn't checked. Add to these write ups and threats of termination for exceeding the times and not allowin ...


When management states that something as simple as a screen to filter out chunks in a powder is too expensive and too difficult to implement  and would never work, you know that you are working for a Scrooge.
 
2014-06-23 07:16:09 AM
Unless it would never work.
And it's too difficult to implement.
And it raises the cost of the car so no one will buy it.
 
2014-06-23 08:22:14 AM
Tyler Durden?
 
2014-06-23 09:35:21 AM
RIP Tatanka

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-23 10:18:32 AM
I had an Accord. It wasn't a great car. It wasn't super-reliable compared to most other cars I owned and in every other aspect it was bad to average. The cabin was super noisy (particularly with the OEM tires) and before 70,000 miles it had to have a new wheel bearing, a tie rod end and it ate a set of brake pads on one wheel when a caliper stuck. It also had a habit of struggling to play CDs that had even the slightest scratch and the door lock actuator on the driver's side was iffy when the temperature dropped below 35F so sometimes you had to unlock it and reach through the passenger's side to manually open the drier's door. Performance and comfort were decidedly average. I had a coupe, so the ride was a little stiffer, but even when I had sedan loaners I was never that impressed with the ride. The V6 was punchy, but the handling was definitely built to let dull people pretend they're racing up long driveways.

Nothing really stood out, which is why I didn't like it. The only thing I expected to be really good was reliability and it was even average in that respect.

I kind of feel like Honda was the shiat back in 1995 when your options were the Civic, the Escort and the Cavalier, but most manufacturers have stepped their game up considerably since then and now Honda just makes boring, average cars for boring, average people. I'd rather have a car that's good at one thing and deficient elsewhere than one that's as drab and frumpy in every way as your typical Honda.

I sold mine and got a G37 S. It's not really super-reliable either, nor is the ride spectacular, but it does drive well which is what it's meant to do, so I like it. I feel like Hondas lack that one thing to set them apart, like they're just built to a bell curve so they wind up not really being anything in particular. I can't imagine why anybody would ever buy a Honda (especially now that the Si is a silly joke and the S2000 is gone) over a Subaru or even a Toyota, even though I don't really care for how Toyotas drive.

Other than that, my Accord was recalled twice. I've never had a car that wasn't recalled at least once.

/ not really a very CSB
 
2014-06-23 12:43:29 PM
A*B*C > Recall
 
2014-06-23 12:44:12 PM
Hip Tanaka

www.gamesetwatch.com
 
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