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(Wired)   "Emails Show Feds Asking Florida Cops to Deceive Judges." Well, color me shocked, SHOCKED, that such a thing could happen in such a fine state   (wired.com) divider line 89
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2014-06-22 01:19:39 AM  
Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.
 
2014-06-22 01:26:21 AM  

Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.


I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.
 
2014-06-22 01:29:44 AM  
When I was down in Sarasota a week ago, this was all over the news.  Of course, having grown up in Sarasota, anything the Sarasota PD or the Sarasota County Sheriff's office does is no surprise.
 
2014-06-22 01:39:00 AM  

feckingmorons: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.


Sadly, so many charities do exactly that. Which is really a waste when you have to throw all those unsolicited requests for philanthropy in the trash.
 
2014-06-22 01:54:49 AM  

Kevin72: feckingmorons: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.

Sadly, so many charities do exactly that. Which is really a waste when you have to throw all those unsolicited requests for philanthropy in the trash.


Especially when the ACLU speaks out so vehemently about personal data privacy and then turns around and sells the data you gave them and compiles more data on you, their supporter. . It was a decade ago in Florida, but apparently only a few years ago for some of their other locations.

If they've changed then perhaps I'll send them a check. If they're still do as I say, not as I do, then they won't get one.
 
2014-06-22 07:28:50 AM  
It's not so much about Florida as it is that a Federal agency is pulling these sort of stunts. I live in Florida and am familiar with the wonderfulness of the local constabularies. But in this article, that is secondary. We might expect better of the Federal Marshall Service. Well, I personally never expect good behavior from any govt organization, having worked for the govt in the past. Shady behavior is how they roll.
 
2014-06-22 07:29:21 AM  

feckingmorons: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.


$50/year is what they get from me, with my grateful thanks. It's not much, but every little bit helps.
 
2014-06-22 07:37:38 AM  

FormlessOne: feckingmorons: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.

$50/year is what they get from me, with my grateful thanks. It's not much, but every little bit helps.


And if they only asked for cash once a year that'd be great. I gave them money once and was receiving bulk mail asking for more almost *monthly*.

Never gave them money again.
 
2014-06-22 07:41:18 AM  
So basically what it comes down to is not wanting a public accounting of all of the instances in which the subject of a criminal investigation was located using their cell phone.  I suppose the fear is that criminals will start turning their phones off when they don't want to be tracked, or otherwise using borrowed or throw-away phones (although the thow-away, pre-paid phones can probably be categorically identified, in which case they're already being tracked on a routine basis).

This seems like closing the barn door after the horse has escaped.  The dumb criminals, the majority, are easily caught using age-old methods.  There's no reason to falsify official court documents (i.e. warrants) to try and trick them.

On the other hand, if the aim is simply to use perjury to skew criminal prosecutions in their own favor then the police need to be held accountable ... yeah, ok, how 'bout we just make them say they'll stop.  That might happen.
 
2014-06-22 07:53:53 AM  
DON'T BREAK THE LAW.
Now, pass me the bong, please.
 
2014-06-22 07:55:36 AM  

stratagos: FormlessOne: feckingmorons: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.

$50/year is what they get from me, with my grateful thanks. It's not much, but every little bit helps.

And if they only asked for cash once a year that'd be great. I gave them money once and was receiving bulk mail asking for more almost *monthly*.

Never gave them money again.


It's easy enough to unsubscribe from both physical and electronic mailing lists, and you only have to do so once. They don't bother me at all, and I've sent them money for 11 years now.
 
2014-06-22 07:55:59 AM  
In fairness to Florida, every state has assholes eager to corrupt the system. And many times, they succeed.
 
2014-06-22 07:57:11 AM  

Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.


Or during the debate whip out his card and say, "The ACLU. Don't defend the Constitution without it."
 
2014-06-22 08:02:40 AM  
Hey!  Let's all not pay our taxes just like the ugly wrinkled IRS c*nt ex-leader Lerner.

Oh crap!  WRONG PLACE CUPCAKE!  I"M COMMENTING ON THE FAAAG!

SORRY!  SORRY!  SORRY!
 
2014-06-22 08:35:16 AM  
Feds, mafia, same, same.
 
2014-06-22 08:36:43 AM  
Interesting how the article never mentions who was in charge of the Federal Marshal's Service on April 15, 2009 - the date of the first email.

On second thought - no, it's not.
 
2014-06-22 08:39:35 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: It's not so much about Florida as it is that a Federal agency is pulling these sort of stunts. I live in Florida and am familiar with the wonderfulness of the local constabularies. But in this article, that is secondary. We might expect better of the Federal Marshall Service. Well, I personally never expect good behavior from any govt organization, having worked for the govt in the past. Shady behavior is how they roll.


This.  The Marshalls even raided the Sarasota PD to grab all the records before they could be released.

Aulus: When I was down in Sarasota a week ago, this was all over the news.  Of course, having grown up in Sarasota, anything the Sarasota PD or the Sarasota County Sheriff's office does is no surprise.


I'll grant you the Sarasota and North Port PDs, but you'll notice that the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office was not listed in the ACLU suit.  I think this is because of what Sheriff Knight has done to clean up that agency.
 
2014-06-22 08:40:08 AM  

LevonLongoria: Interesting how the article never mentions who was in charge of the Federal Marshal's Service on April 15, 2009 - the date of the first email.

On second thought - no, it's not.


I was just going to say - shouldn't this have the Obama-Holder tag instead of Florida?
 
2014-06-22 09:00:36 AM  

blacksho89: LevonLongoria: Interesting how the article never mentions who was in charge of the Federal Marshal's Service on April 15, 2009 - the date of the first email.

On second thought - no, it's not.

I was just going to say - shouldn't this have the Obama-Holder tag instead of Florida?


It's bigger than Obama-Holder. The entire system is completely out of whack. Has been so my entire life. Ain't getting better, not at all.
 
2014-06-22 09:00:57 AM  

stratagos: FormlessOne: feckingmorons: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.

$50/year is what they get from me, with my grateful thanks. It's not much, but every little bit helps.

And if they only asked for cash once a year that'd be great. I gave them money once and was receiving bulk mail asking for more almost *monthly*.

Never gave them money again.


They are as bad as the NRA
 
2014-06-22 09:03:11 AM  

feckingmorons: Kevin72: feckingmorons: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.

Sadly, so many charities do exactly that. Which is really a waste when you have to throw all those unsolicited requests for philanthropy in the trash.

Especially when the ACLU speaks out so vehemently about personal data privacy and then turns around and sells the data you gave them and compiles more data on you, their supporter. . It was a decade ago in Florida, but apparently only a few years ago for some of their other locations.

If they've changed then perhaps I'll send them a check. If they're still do as I say, not as I do, then they won't get one.


This is one reason that the one charity I very consistently and repeatedly continue donating to is the EFF... They aren't as big as the ACLU and can't take on as many things as they do, but they still do a lot of really great work on a lot of the same kind of issues (though, more focused on tech-related stuff, generally)... Plus, they're really goddamned serious about your privacy!
 
2014-06-22 09:08:02 AM  
In the olden days, they'd use beatiful hookers to obtain information about locations of suspects.

Somehow the electronic stuff works better, since the definition of beauty varied widely in Florida.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-06-22 09:24:14 AM  

EggSniper: So basically what it comes down to is not wanting a public accounting of all of the instances in which the subject of a criminal investigation was located using their cell phone.  I suppose the fear is that criminals will start turning their phones off when they don't want to be tracked, or otherwise using borrowed or throw-away phones (although the thow-away, pre-paid phones can probably be categorically identified, in which case they're already being tracked on a routine basis).

This seems like closing the barn door after the horse has escaped.  The dumb criminals, the majority, are easily caught using age-old methods.  There's no reason to falsify official court documents (i.e. warrants) to try and trick them.

On the other hand, if the aim is simply to use perjury to skew criminal prosecutions in their own favor then the police need to be held accountable ... yeah, ok, how 'bout we just make them say they'll stop.  That might happen.


They use the illegally obtained information to "back-fill" the "age-old methods.

"Yeah, we went and talked to the doughnut shop owner, he told us he saw that car." but only after they knew the guy had been in that parking lot due to a ping from his phone.

This shiat has been going on a LONG time.  When people find out the NSA knew about a bunch of the more prolific child porn traders people are going to flip their shiat.  When Snoweden broke all of a sudden there were a cluster of busts. NSA is cleaning house trying to look needed and less like they are a watchful-accomplice in these crimes.
 
2014-06-22 09:27:40 AM  

Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.


Are you focusing any of your blame on Obama? If not, why not?
 
2014-06-22 09:30:28 AM  

uber humper: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

Are you focusing any of your blame on Obama? If not, why not?


He doesn't want to be labelled a racist?
 
2014-06-22 09:30:46 AM  
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2014-06-22 09:34:22 AM  

RobSeace: feckingmorons: Kevin72: feckingmorons: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.

Sadly, so many charities do exactly that. Which is really a waste when you have to throw all those unsolicited requests for philanthropy in the trash.

Especially when the ACLU speaks out so vehemently about personal data privacy and then turns around and sells the data you gave them and compiles more data on you, their supporter. . It was a decade ago in Florida, but apparently only a few years ago for some of their other locations.

If they've changed then perhaps I'll send them a check. If they're still do as I say, not as I do, then they won't get one.

This is one reason that the one charity I very consistently and repeatedly continue donating to is the EFF... They aren't as big as the ACLU and can't take on as many things as they do, but they still do a lot of really great work on a lot of the same kind of issues (though, more focused on tech-related stuff, generally)... Plus, they're really goddamned serious about your privacy!


Another way to donate to the EFF is with, that probably wont cost you anything more that you are already spending, is smile.amazon.com. Sends a percentage of your purchase price to a charity of your choice, EFF is on the list
 
2014-06-22 09:46:17 AM  

uber humper: Another way to donate to the EFF is with, that probably wont cost you anything more that you are already spending, is smile.amazon.com. Sends a percentage of your purchase price to a charity of your choice, EFF is on the list


Yep, I just recently discovered that a week or so ago, and have been doing all my Amazon shopping through that, with EFF as the selected charity! I kind of wish Amazon had done things so that you could just select the charity in your profile or something, and continue shopping through the regular site instead of always having to go to the "smile" site, though... It's only really an issue when following links from others to Amazon products, which are almost always to the regular "www.amazon.com" site, which then disables the charity stuff...
 
2014-06-22 09:47:51 AM  

jafiwam: EggSniper: So basically what it comes down to is not wanting a public accounting of all of the instances in which the subject of a criminal investigation was located using their cell phone.  I suppose the fear is that criminals will start turning their phones off when they don't want to be tracked, or otherwise using borrowed or throw-away phones (although the thow-away, pre-paid phones can probably be categorically identified, in which case they're already being tracked on a routine basis).

This seems like closing the barn door after the horse has escaped.  The dumb criminals, the majority, are easily caught using age-old methods.  There's no reason to falsify official court documents (i.e. warrants) to try and trick them.

On the other hand, if the aim is simply to use perjury to skew criminal prosecutions in their own favor then the police need to be held accountable ... yeah, ok, how 'bout we just make them say they'll stop.  That might happen.

They use the illegally obtained information to "back-fill" the "age-old methods.

"Yeah, we went and talked to the doughnut shop owner, he told us he saw that car." but only after they knew the guy had been in that parking lot due to a ping from his phone.

This shiat has been going on a LONG time.  When people find out the NSA knew about a bunch of the more prolific child porn traders people are going to flip their shiat.  When Snoweden broke all of a sudden there were a cluster of busts. NSA is cleaning house trying to look needed and less like they are a watchful-accomplice in these crimes.


The crimes must continue, nay, increase in fearfulness and tragedy for Our Children in order that the PoPO may increase and be bountiful in their Service and Protection.

Oldest racket(OK, second oldest) on the books is "Protection".
Protection from what? Well, first the "protector".
 
2014-06-22 09:52:02 AM  

Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.


Aclu doesnt stick up for all of the bill of rights. And what the fark are you on.
 
2014-06-22 09:54:55 AM  

uber humper: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

Are you focusing any of your blame on Obama? If not, why not?


Obama is no friend of civil liberties, and has continued and expanded Bush's surveillance state. And yet, he was still better than the alternatives.
 
2014-06-22 09:58:40 AM  
My only question, does my cellphone signal improve whenever the Marshal's are using a stingray in my area?  Because if so, I don't have a problem, since i have boost mobile, and it might be the only reason I can make a farking phone call.
 
2014-06-22 10:04:45 AM  

MyRandomName: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

Aclu doesnt stick up for all of the bill of rights. And what the fark are you on.


This is from the Goddamned Wikipedia:
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a nonpartisan non-profit organization whose stated mission is "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States."[5]

I take it that you are upset the ACLU doesn't stick up for your constitutional right to have a zillion bazookas. Or something.
 
2014-06-22 10:05:55 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: uber humper: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

Are you focusing any of your blame on Obama? If not, why not?

Obama is no friend of civil liberties, and has continued and expanded Bush's surveillance state. And yet, he was still better than the alternatives.


I do love this juvenile excuse of yours. Best of the worst is such a juvenile way of not admitting you got fooled by a cult of personality.
 
2014-06-22 10:09:18 AM  

Kevin72: MyRandomName: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

Aclu doesnt stick up for all of the bill of rights. And what the fark are you on.

This is from the Goddamned Wikipedia:
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a nonpartisan non-profit organization whose stated mission is "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States."[5]

I take it that you are upset the ACLU doesn't stick up for your constitutional right to have a zillion bazookas. Or something.


You quote wiki when you can go to their website where the ACLU flatly states they do not work on 2nd amendment issues. Im not upset. I pointed out specifically that the ACLU does not represent all of the bill of rights. And they acknowledge it on their own site.

Do facts make you upset? Why the anger?

You should also learn the difference between arms and ordnance before proving your ignorance with the bazooka comment.
 
2014-06-22 10:11:09 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: uber humper: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

Are you focusing any of your blame on Obama? If not, why not?

Obama is no friend of civil liberties, and has continued and expanded Bush's surveillance state. And yet, he was still better than the alternatives.


You need to criticize ALL OF THOSE who are enabling the destruction of our civil liberties. Regardless of the letter next to their name.

NO ONE IS ABOVE REPROACH
 
2014-06-22 10:13:16 AM  

RobSeace: uber humper: Another way to donate to the EFF is with, that probably wont cost you anything more that you are already spending, is smile.amazon.com. Sends a percentage of your purchase price to a charity of your choice, EFF is on the list

Yep, I just recently discovered that a week or so ago, and have been doing all my Amazon shopping through that, with EFF as the selected charity! I kind of wish Amazon had done things so that you could just select the charity in your profile or something, and continue shopping through the regular site instead of always having to go to the "smile" site, though... It's only really an issue when following links from others to Amazon products, which are almost always to the regular "www.amazon.com" site, which then disables the charity stuff...


I've never noticed that, THANKS!
 
2014-06-22 10:17:23 AM  
Yeah, I'm sure the Feds are only asking cops in Florida to lie...Why is this a Florida story and not a Fed story?
 
2014-06-22 10:22:46 AM  

MyRandomName: Kevin72: MyRandomName: Kevin72: Thank God for the ACLU sticking up for the bill of rights and therefore the constitution which conservatives feign to worship. It wouldn't have been a problem that George HW Bush made it a campaign issue that Michael Dukakis is a card-carrying member of the ACLU. If only Michael Dukakis would have said what I just said. But no. He couldn't.

Aclu doesnt stick up for all of the bill of rights. And what the fark are you on.

This is from the Goddamned Wikipedia:
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a nonpartisan non-profit organization whose stated mission is "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States."[5]

I take it that you are upset the ACLU doesn't stick up for your constitutional right to have a zillion bazookas. Or something.

You quote wiki when you can go to their website where the ACLU flatly states they do not work on 2nd amendment issues. Im not upset. I pointed out specifically that the ACLU does not represent all of the bill of rights. And they acknowledge it on their own site.

Do facts make you upset? Why the anger?

You should also learn the difference between arms and ordnance before proving your ignorance with the bazooka comment.


OK. I will admit it. On this website. The ACLU does not represent ALL the bill of rights. They do not defend the 2nd amendment. AND WHY SHOULD THEY? THE NRA has that covered!!!!! Thank God for the NRA sticking up for the 2nd amendment, so that the ACLU can stick up for all the other violations of our freedoms. But damned the ACLU for not doing the 2nd amendment too.
 
2014-06-22 10:27:44 AM  
Kevin72:
OK. I will admit it. On this website. The ACLU does not represent ALL the bill of rights. They do not defend the 2nd amendment. AND WHY SHOULD THEY? THE NRA has that covered!!!!! Thank God for the NRA sticking up for the 2nd amendment, so that the ACLU can stick up for all the other violations of our freedoms. But damned the ACLU for not doing the 2nd amendment too.

I did a stint working at my local ACLU office.  We had referral agreements in place for potential 2A issues not necessarily because we didn't "like" the 2A, but because callers would be better served being referred to an organization that was very specialized and well-resourced to handle 2A issues.

Sure, my primary care doc could probably set a bone, but why not go to the orthopaedic specialist?
 
2014-06-22 10:39:16 AM  
I wonder if we'll get any appeals out of this?  Seems like anyone whose search warrant read "location received from a confidential informant" might be able to make it seem likely it was really a stingray.  There's got to be a judge down there who'd be mad enough about lying on a warrant to throw it out.
 
2014-06-22 10:40:01 AM  

soze: Kevin72:
OK. I will admit it. On this website. The ACLU does not represent ALL the bill of rights. They do not defend the 2nd amendment. AND WHY SHOULD THEY? THE NRA has that covered!!!!! Thank God for the NRA sticking up for the 2nd amendment, so that the ACLU can stick up for all the other violations of our freedoms. But damned the ACLU for not doing the 2nd amendment too.

I did a stint working at my local ACLU office.  We had referral agreements in place for potential 2A issues not necessarily because we didn't "like" the 2A, but because callers would be better served being referred to an organization that was very specialized and well-resourced to handle 2A issues.

Sure, my primary care doc could probably set a bone, but why not go to the orthopaedic specialist?


What you are saying makes perfect sense. But sadly you have to wonder about what good does making sense do when you got re:re:re:re hotheads like MyRandomName jumping all up and down about how bad the ACLU is for not specializing in their obsession too.
 
2014-06-22 10:48:35 AM  

feckingmorons: I think I'll start sending them a few bucks again. If they promise not to sell my name and address to mailing lists again.


I used to give $26 per year to a handful of different charities, but eventually decided that they seemed to be spending $30 on direct mail when I did that, so what's the point?

I have read that some have started to let you opt out when donating, but there's no way to do that through CFC so it's much less convenient.
 
2014-06-22 10:49:58 AM  
So Subby thinks this is exclusive to Florida?
 
2014-06-22 10:58:01 AM  

StrikitRich: EVERYBODY PANIC: It's not so much about Florida as it is that a Federal agency is pulling these sort of stunts. I live in Florida and am familiar with the wonderfulness of the local constabularies. But in this article, that is secondary. We might expect better of the Federal Marshall Service. Well, I personally never expect good behavior from any govt organization, having worked for the govt in the past. Shady behavior is how they roll.

This.  The Marshalls even raided the Sarasota PD to grab all the records before they could be released.

Aulus: When I was down in Sarasota a week ago, this was all over the news.  Of course, having grown up in Sarasota, anything the Sarasota PD or the Sarasota County Sheriff's office does is no surprise.

I'll grant you the Sarasota and North Port PDs, but you'll notice that the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office was not listed in the ACLU suit.  I think this is because of what Sheriff Knight has done to clean up that agency.


True.  I guess I'm just remembering the days when I was growing up with Ross Boyer as sheriff and that somewhat shady deputy, Tony Montagnese (sp?)
 
2014-06-22 11:33:00 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-22 11:45:02 AM  
So has anyone bothered to file a bar complaint against the Assistant State's Attorney who started the ball rolling here or should we just all point fingers at which President to blame?
 
2014-06-22 11:47:50 AM  

stan unusual: So has anyone bothered to file a bar complaint against the Assistant State's Attorney who started the ball rolling here or should we just all point fingers at which President to blame?


President has more power to change things.
 
2014-06-22 11:57:18 AM  
State?

STATE??

It was  government men who leaned on the local police

GOVERNMENT MEN
 
2014-06-22 12:05:14 PM  
The Harris Corporation, a Florida-based company that makes one of the most popular models of stingrays called Stingray, has made law enforcement agencies sign a non-disclosure agreement explicitly prohibiting them from telling anyone, including other government bodies, about their use of the secretive equipment.

What the...? How is this enforceable? It seems like getting ahold of a piece of equipment for my work, and being asked to sign a document stating that I won't reveal it to my boss.  Since when does a private agreement with a company trump the law?
 
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