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(Boing Boing)   Here's what NASA thought future space colonies would look like when they planned them in 1970s. Nice suburbs   (boingboing.net) divider line 48
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2014-06-21 10:39:29 AM  
No ocean...no mountains...and it kinda looks like a big shopping mall...

/ I'd go nuts if I were trapped in environment like that.
// people from big cities could *probably* adapt to it...
 
2014-06-21 01:56:57 PM  
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
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I've seen how this ends though.

lh3.googleusercontent.com

Byebye Sydney.
 
2014-06-21 02:01:53 PM  
p.gr-assets.com
 
2014-06-21 02:02:07 PM  
Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.
 
2014-06-21 02:09:00 PM  

DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.


Also Mass Effect.
 
2014-06-21 02:11:23 PM  
Man, remember when this country had dreams.....
 
2014-06-21 02:11:30 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: No ocean...no mountains...and it kinda looks like a big shopping mall...

/ I'd go nuts if I were trapped in environment like that.
// people from big cities could *probably* adapt to it...


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-21 02:11:56 PM  

DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.


I'm going to skip the part about scifi repeating the fact that rotating things produce gravity and noticeably at certain scales, and attack you on the it's part.  Are you 12?
 
2014-06-21 02:16:51 PM  

Sugarbombs: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

I'm going to skip the part about scifi repeating the fact that rotating things produce gravity and noticeably at certain scales, and attack you on the it's part.  Are you 12?


No. Are you?
 
2014-06-21 02:19:48 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: No ocean...no mountains...and it kinda looks like a big shopping mall...

/ I'd go nuts if I were trapped in environment like that.
// people from big cities could *probably* adapt to it...


I live in a decent size city, notin suburbia either, and I'm surrounded by rivers, hills, and mountains.

Those pics display one of the most extraordinary examples of optimism I've ever seen. But I wouldn't want to live there.
 
2014-06-21 02:20:10 PM  

BigJT: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

Also Mass Effect.


Also Halo. Niven Ring ripoffs have been rampant since Ringworld was written nearly 50 years ago.
 
2014-06-21 02:20:47 PM  
I hear there's fish in the lakes up at the Presidium.
 
2014-06-21 02:30:16 PM  
Unfortunately, when you're building a ring-shaped colony like the ones in TFA, you have to choose either Earth-like gravity or an Earth-like day/night cycle*. You can't have both, because a ring that rotates once every 24 hours would need to be 2 million miles in diameter to produce the same gravity as Earth's surface. Even with very conservative estimates on the width of the ring (say, wide enough to provide an interior surface area twice the size of Germany, about 500 meters across) you'd need something like 250 trillion tons of steel for the shell (about 2000 times the amount of steel that has ever been made by man).

And if we were capable of the kind of mega-engineering needed to build a space colony on that scale, we'd have no need for space colonies.

*Some sort of arrangement could probably be devised with an array of counter-rotating mirrors, but the results would likely not be very much like a terrestrial day/night cycle.
 
2014-06-21 02:33:24 PM  

FuzedBox: BigJT: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

Also Mass Effect.

Also Halo. Niven Ring ripoffs have been rampant since Ringworld was written nearly 50 years ago.


There's a name for these things?  I guess I know which internet rabbit hole I'm getting lost in today.
 
2014-06-21 02:34:07 PM  

DubtodaIll: Sugarbombs: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

I'm going to skip the part about scifi repeating the fact that rotating things produce gravity and noticeably at certain scales, and attack you on the it's part.  Are you 12?

No. Are you?


Your original comment suggests that you should obtain a high school diploma before posting on the internet.  I'd even take one from Mississippi!

/go back to stocking wal-mart or whatever you do
 
2014-06-21 02:38:05 PM  

mr lawson: Forbidden Doughnut: No ocean...no mountains...and it kinda looks like a big shopping mall...

/ I'd go nuts if I were trapped in environment like that.
// people from big cities could *probably* adapt to it...

[img.fark.net image 850x566]


Well, that's much better; I'll give you that....

/ still skeeved out by the idea of permanently living in an artificial environment
 
2014-06-21 02:40:23 PM  

Sugarbombs: DubtodaIll: Sugarbombs: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

I'm going to skip the part about scifi repeating the fact that rotating things produce gravity and noticeably at certain scales, and attack you on the it's part.  Are you 12?

No. Are you?

Your original comment suggests that you should obtain a high school diploma before posting on the internet.  I'd even take one from Mississippi!

/go back to stocking wal-mart or whatever you do


Please explain I'm eager to learn.
 
2014-06-21 02:40:27 PM  

BigJT: FuzedBox: BigJT: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

Also Mass Effect.

Also Halo. Niven Ring ripoffs have been rampant since Ringworld was written nearly 50 years ago.

There's a name for these things?  I guess I know which internet rabbit hole I'm getting lost in today.


The version in TFA is called a Stanford torus, or more generally, a von Braun wheel. Niven rings are the ones scaled up to absurd proportions and encircling stars.
 
2014-06-21 02:46:31 PM  
One of those looks like Babylon 5.
 
2014-06-21 02:55:01 PM  

BigJT: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

Also Mass Effect.


And I recognized Babylon 5 in there as well.
 
2014-06-21 03:05:22 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Unfortunately, when you're building a ring-shaped colony like the ones in TFA, you have to choose either Earth-like gravity or an Earth-like day/night cycle*. You can't have both, because a ring that rotates once every 24 hours would need to be 2 million miles in diameter to produce the same gravity as Earth's surface. Even with very conservative estimates on the width of the ring (say, wide enough to provide an interior surface area twice the size of Germany, about 500 meters across) you'd need something like 250 trillion tons of steel for the shell (about 2000 times the amount of steel that has ever been made by man).

And if we were capable of the kind of mega-engineering needed to build a space colony on that scale, we'd have no need for space colonies.

*Some sort of arrangement could probably be devised with an array of counter-rotating mirrors, but the results would likely not be very much like a terrestrial day/night cycle.


Neil?
 
2014-06-21 03:14:20 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: The version in TFA is called a Stanford torus, or more generally, a von Braun wheel. Niven rings are the ones scaled up to absurd proportions and encircling stars.


There's a whole range of these things. The Bishop ring is one of my favorite. The idea is you can have a gianormous structure about 1000 miles in diameter with walls 200 miles high; big enough that that you don't need a top on your ring to keep atmosphere in. You keep it perpendicular to orbit with a system of (very) large mirrors. It would be made of some exotic, but "do-able" material like carbon nanotubes.

Right now, I'll settle for anything. Hell, let's move the ISS to a Lagrange point. Its boring where it is now.
 
2014-06-21 03:29:36 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Unfortunately, when you're building a ring-shaped colony like the ones in TFA, you have to choose either Earth-like gravity or an Earth-like day/night cycle*...

*Some sort of arrangement could probably be devised with an array of counter-rotating mirrors, but the results would likely not be very much like a terrestrial day/night cycle.


In reality, though, you'd never build a ring-shaped colony with big see through panels. There's no benefit and huge downsides, between radiation, micrometeorites, and the fact that there's really not going to be much to see - any windows would be towards the hub of the ring, so you're just staring up at the structure; if the sun is in view, it would be blindingly bright; if the sun isn't in view, then glare and reflections from internal lighting will obscure anything to see; and if you're at the Earth-Moon L4 or L5, then you're as far from each of the Earth and Moon as they are from each other, so they would be about as big as the moon is in our sky.

So, with no windows, you'll just have artificial lighting, which can easily be set to dim and brighten on a 24 hour cycle.
 
2014-06-21 03:43:22 PM  
Oh, and I think that the L5 point is never in full darkness... Even for the hour or two when it's in the shadow of the Earth or moon when the angles happen to line up for an eclipse, the other body (moon or Earth) would be 60 degrees ahead or behind in its orbit, and visible as a bright crescent. As a result, your pupils would constrict, and you wouldn't be able to see any stars.
 
2014-06-21 04:14:06 PM  

limboslam: Man, remember when this country had dreams.....


Yep, the promised future was just another broken promise.

I can accept we don't have things that elaborate (yet), but the fact this country can't even launch a capsule to rendezvous with a floating tin can "space station" is unacceptable.
 
2014-06-21 04:19:05 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: BigJT: FuzedBox: BigJT: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

Also Mass Effect.

Also Halo. Niven Ring ripoffs have been rampant since Ringworld was written nearly 50 years ago.

There's a name for these things?  I guess I know which internet rabbit hole I'm getting lost in today.

The version in TFA is called a Stanford torus, or more generally, a von Braun wheel. Niven rings are the ones scaled up to absurd proportions and encircling stars.


Niven's ring is also unstable, and full of horny, hairy people.
I like Rendevous with Rama's O'Neill cylinder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder
 
2014-06-21 04:27:09 PM  

Theaetetus: In reality, though, you'd never build a ring-shaped colony with big see through panels.


True. I was responding to the vision of the Stanford torus articulated in the article, with giant windows and so on.

A real toroidal space colony would look much more like the Citadel Presidium ring in Mass Effect. Fake sky overhead (painted blue, natch) possibly with real clouds if the tube diameter is big enough, and maybe even a dummy "Sun" that would be essentially programmed lighting designed to crawl along the "sky" at a speed that would seem natural to Earth dwellers. If the diameter of the torus were big enough, you could even have several "suns" producing multiple regions of simultaneous day and night.

I'd probably also line the "sides" of the tube with bigass mirrors to make the structure seem less claustrophobic and get more use out of the light that was generated (a technique used by restaurants etc to make their interior spaces seem bigger).

You'd also want the "geography" of the interior to be broken up by as many vertical structures as possible, so as to make it less obvious that the ground was curving away from you into the sky, which could be dizzying. So, artificial hills, tall buildings, waterfalls, lots of trees. Just because you're living inside a giant donut doesn't mean it can't have a breathtaking landscape.
 
2014-06-21 04:32:54 PM  

Theaetetus: So, with no windows, you'll just have artificial lighting, which can easily be set to dim and brighten on a 24 hour cycle.


How about a 25-hour cycle? The human body runs on 25 hour cycle if left to its own devices, so why not something that's a little more natural?
 
2014-06-21 04:34:30 PM  
Reminds me of Cowboy Bebop. (IE I can see where they got some of their inspiration.)
 
2014-06-21 04:48:03 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Theaetetus: So, with no windows, you'll just have artificial lighting, which can easily be set to dim and brighten on a 24 hour cycle.

How about a 25-hour cycle? The human body runs on 25 hour cycle if left to its own devices, so why not something that's a little more natural?


Incidentally, that happens to be about the length of a day on Mars.

... makes you wonder, eh? ;)
 
2014-06-21 04:50:03 PM  
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2014-06-21 04:53:08 PM  

Theaetetus: Tobin_Lam: Theaetetus: So, with no windows, you'll just have artificial lighting, which can easily be set to dim and brighten on a 24 hour cycle.

How about a 25-hour cycle? The human body runs on 25 hour cycle if left to its own devices, so why not something that's a little more natural?

Incidentally, that happens to be about the length of a day on Mars.

... makes you wonder, eh? ;)


you seem like a smart fellow..
a little light reading for ya:-)
http://thesis.library.caltech.edu/2405/1/Parkin-Thesis.pdf
 
2014-06-21 05:05:55 PM  

mr lawson: Theaetetus: Tobin_Lam: Theaetetus: So, with no windows, you'll just have artificial lighting, which can easily be set to dim and brighten on a 24 hour cycle.

How about a 25-hour cycle? The human body runs on 25 hour cycle if left to its own devices, so why not something that's a little more natural?

Incidentally, that happens to be about the length of a day on Mars.

... makes you wonder, eh? ;)

you seem like a smart fellow..
a little light reading for ya:-)
http://thesis.library.caltech.edu/2405/1/Parkin-Thesis.pdf


Thanks! That does look interesting.
 
2014-06-21 05:12:25 PM  

Theaetetus: Thanks! That does look interesting.


Pay close attention to the fact he "patented" the idea even though he gives credit to the original idea guy (
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky...the guy who invented the rocket equation) Think it would hold up in court?
 
2014-06-21 05:35:14 PM  

mr lawson: Theaetetus: Thanks! That does look interesting.

Pay close attention to the fact he "patented" the idea even though he gives credit to the original idea guy (
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky...the guy who invented the rocket equation) Think it would hold up in court?


Sure, depending on what was specifically in the prior art. His patent is here.

Specifically, he's not patenting the idea of using microwaves for propulsion, but a specific implementation. It's like suggesting that Tesla couldn't get a patent on some of the features of their electric cars, because they give credit to Henry Ford for coming up with the automobile.
 
2014-06-21 07:00:23 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: No ocean...no mountains...and it kinda looks like a big shopping mall...

/ I'd go nuts if I were trapped in environment like that.
// people from big cities could *probably* adapt to it...


For your own good, stay away from the Midwest.
 
2014-06-21 08:08:59 PM  
TFA author looks like a troll doll. Incredibly so.
 
2014-06-21 09:37:55 PM  
There used to be a kid's tv show called Star Stuff that used one of those designs. Total memory flashback.
 
2014-06-21 09:55:32 PM  

Great_Milenko: limboslam: Man, remember when this country had dreams.....

Yep, the promised future was just another broken promise.

I can accept we don't have things that elaborate (yet), but the fact this country can't even launch a capsule to rendezvous with a floating tin can "space station" is unacceptable.


It's not like we're not involved anymore. It's just cheaper to pay Russia 70mil per seat for our astronauts.
 
2014-06-21 10:03:17 PM  
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/whatever
 
2014-06-22 01:44:18 AM  

pintoboy: One of those looks like Babylon 5.


Ambivalence: BigJT: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

Also Mass Effect.

And I recognized Babylon 5 in there as well.


I'm glad I wasn't the only one that saw Babylon 5.
 
2014-06-22 03:15:07 AM  
This is the book from which most of those illustrations came.  It's possible to still find a used copy of this on amazon if you want a print copy, though it'll be in pretty bad condition considering that it's been out of print a few decades now.
 
2014-06-22 04:11:30 AM  
I'm weirded out by using white stucco houses in space.

Even if you accept the whole premise of replicating a outdoor planetary environment in an artificial construct, isn't your house color gonna be black so as better to attract the light and heat, because, you know, you're not sitting on a few miles of rock and other insulation?
 
2014-06-22 04:57:34 AM  

hardinparamedic: [img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x480]
[img4.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x478]
I've seen how this ends though.

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 640x360]

Byebye Sydney.


farking Unicorn
 
2014-06-22 12:14:15 PM  

DubtodaIll: Sugarbombs: DubtodaIll: Sugarbombs: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

I'm going to skip the part about scifi repeating the fact that rotating things produce gravity and noticeably at certain scales, and attack you on the it's part.  Are you 12?

No. Are you?

Your original comment suggests that you should obtain a high school diploma before posting on the internet.  I'd even take one from Mississippi!

/go back to stocking wal-mart or whatever you do

Please explain I'm eager to learn.


You misplaced an apostrophe, so obviously you're history's greatest monster.

/Rolls eyes at sugartits.
 
2014-06-22 05:29:00 PM  

Sugarbombs: DubtodaIll: Sugarbombs: DubtodaIll: Well now I see where Elysium plagiarized it's set design from.

I'm going to skip the part about scifi repeating the fact that rotating things produce gravity and noticeably at certain scales, and attack you on the it's part.  Are you 12?

No. Are you?

Your original comment suggests that you should obtain a high school diploma before posting on the internet.  I'd even take one from Mississippi!

/go back to stocking wal-mart or whatever you do


img.fark.net

Who crapped in your cornflakes?
 
2014-06-22 08:18:08 PM  
Don't be so pessimistic, guys! If Skylon and SpaceX reusability both work out, lowering the cost/kg by well over 90%, we could build one of those monsters anytime we want!

At only $100/kg, all we'd need is a few thousand trillion dollars burning a hole in our pocket...

Or a technological singularity with true autonomous nanoassemblers. Give us that (without turning Earth into grey goo while we debug them) and practically everything becomes cheap and easy.
 
2014-06-22 09:51:28 PM  

Beowoolfie: Don't be so pessimistic, guys! If Skylon and SpaceX reusability both work out, lowering the cost/kg by well over 90%, we could build one of those monsters anytime we want!

At only $100/kg, all we'd need is a few thousand trillion dollars burning a hole in our pocket...

Or a technological singularity with true autonomous nanoassemblers. Give us that (without turning Earth into grey goo while we debug them) and practically everything becomes cheap and easy.


I vote your outlook as the best. Even the grey goo part (so long as the grey goo is a hyper intelligent organism capable of preserving / upgrading human/animal consciousness) :-)
 
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