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2014-06-20 06:32:04 PM  
10 votes:
So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?
2014-06-20 09:51:14 PM  
5 votes:
You advanced a flat tax plan that sounded more like a pizza ad. No one takes you seriously now and no one took you seriously then. You were the GOP's black friend they used to pretend they care about anyone other than rich, white males.
2014-06-20 06:28:16 PM  
4 votes:
"A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.
ecl
2014-06-21 10:10:43 AM  
3 votes:

Obama's Left Nut: Trance750: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement

How long is the but Bush bullshiat going to last? Yeah he was a crappy president but FFS your guy has to take responsibility for SOMETHING.


How long will it take to fix Iraq?  Forever?  Then Bush/Cheney can suck infinite dicks.
2014-06-20 10:15:57 PM  
3 votes:
I am in COMPLETE agreement with Herman!

We have got to get out there and out-vote the stupid people!!
2014-06-20 06:40:53 PM  
3 votes:

jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.


After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement
2014-06-21 02:41:06 AM  
2 votes:

Thrag: Tetrazphere: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues. Though I think he does have an undeniable understanding about how to help small businesses succeed and decrease unemployment.

Can you give examples of Cain demonstrating this undeniable understanding of how to help small business succeed and decrease unemployment? What exactly do you derive this belief from?


Yeah, I can't tell where he's getting that derp from either. Cain's 9-9-9 plan, "empowerment zones", and a desire to get rid of the minimum wage were the reasons most people thought of him as a joke to begin with.
2014-06-21 12:47:36 AM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: "stupid people [who do vote and volunteer] are ruining America."

Well he's not wrong about that part.


Yep.

They're called Tea Partiers
2014-06-21 12:44:17 AM  
2 votes:
"The solution is real simple folks. Those of us who are informed have got to outvote the stupid people.  "

You're absolutely right about that, Herman, I'll give you that.
2014-06-20 11:04:44 PM  
2 votes:
believe it or not, people, but godfather's used to be really good pizza.
2014-06-20 10:56:19 PM  
2 votes:

kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?


This is, without a doubt, the best comment of the year!

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2014-06-20 10:09:55 PM  
2 votes:
A first grader could run America better?

Well, that bar's over the GOP's head for sure.
2014-06-22 12:40:41 AM  
1 votes:

Tetrazphere: Well it also is about the policies themselves. Liberals tend to emphasize exterior causes for someone's suffering "bigoted traditional conservatives" or "greedy wall-street conservatives" or just having a society where the marginalized fall through the cracks, it's not their fault.

Conservatives tend to emphasize interior causes...like the aforementioned personal responsibility, work ethic, undisciplined spending and non-saving (buying unnecessary bling or swag), and general arrogant self-entitlement attitude toward life


Oh that is such oversimplified horseshiat.
2014-06-21 04:29:17 PM  
1 votes:
www.motherjones.com

/He has a BSc in Mathematics.
2014-06-21 11:52:58 AM  
1 votes:

Obama's Left Nut: Oh that is right I forgot.... Obama got all our troops out of Iraq.... but wait he is now saying the reason we did not leave troops in Iraq is because the Iraqi government would not give us the usual immunities we require for our troops.....


It's almost as if geopolitics is complicated and there's never only one reason for anything.
2014-06-21 11:05:41 AM  
1 votes:

Obama's Left Nut: Oh that is right I forgot.... Obama got all our troops out of Iraq.... but wait he is now saying the reason we did not leave troops in Iraq is because the Iraqi government would not give us the usual immunities we require for our troops.....

Which one is it?


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2014-06-21 10:11:51 AM  
1 votes:

Obama's Left Nut: Trance750: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement

How long is the but Bush bullshiat going to last? Yeah he was a crappy president but FFS your guy has to take responsibility for SOMETHING.


Maybe quit asking him to take responsibility for something he didn't do? Maybe we blame Bush for a lot of stuff he did because Bush is the one who actually did those things? Obama didn't magically invade Iraq in 2003 just because he became President in 2009.
2014-06-21 09:22:03 AM  
1 votes:
What the hell is a "post-modern cultural issue" in regard to the office of POTUS?

Is he going to have to handle criticism of his paintings of soup cans?
2014-06-21 07:38:30 AM  
1 votes:

Tetrazphere: Yea, I was interested in picking Kitty's brain, no offense but she is a bit more interesting, given the general 'splantions you mentioned. She artfully pointed out - "the extremely jarring juxtaposition of anguished screaming and visuals of black disaster and death accompanying what SHOULD be an affectionate and celebratory song" was described like a seasoned post-modern art critic.

Your view pretty much restates the basic 4 reasons i laid out. The point I was really trying to get to was if kitty disliked the add because of her political partisanship, or because of the obvious bad taste and the overt nationalistic dark reminder of 9/11 in a way that induces emotion.

I was wondering if the content of the video was switched, but the context was kept the same,.... if it were scenes of Afghani or Iraqi footage of American-bombed aftermath, with an Islamic song being sung by an Afghani political candidate, would it be grotesque (to her)? Would people then see it in an acceptable light, a way that they could agree with? What if Cain's video wasn't a political add, and it was made by a group of 9/11 families? Would it be seen in an understandable light?


And wouldn't it be awesome, if Wolverine fought Batman, cuz Wolverine would be like all 'SNIKT' and Batman would be all silent and staring, and then they'd fight, and who do you think would win?

Why did I write that? Because that fiction has as much bearing on the conversation as your statement above does. What if an Afghan political party did it? Why should I give a fark? It has nothing to do with our elections and what Herman Cain DID. Same with the 9/11 families. Did they do said thing? No. Therefore it has no bearing on the conversation.


From a wider perspective, I'm wondering what a political philosophy would look like if it were truly nonpartisan and held continuity on all issues. So far I'm finding this theory of politics would be extremely difficult to abide by. Very few do not approach politics like a sports team to root for, they find out their teams stance on an issue and then spout the talking points. This is a predictable waste of time and does not encourage lateral thinking.


So what you're saying is both sides are bad. Any advice on who to vote for?


To transcend partisanship would mean to integrate the best of the political parties while being aware of the weaknesses, while also creating an atmosphere for post-liberal idea's to emerge. (Currently liberal ideology is a psychological stage or two above traditional and achievement conservatism, but has some very dangerous pitfalls of it's own).

Ok, you lost me on this one. And you say Kittypie sounds like a seasoned art critic? Are you Poe-ing me?

/do not confuse me with s ...
2014-06-21 05:17:45 AM  
1 votes:

Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

*lifts a picket ship clean out of the water with one energized neuron*

Well someone is asking for it.

I was trying to narrow down your exact dislike of the ad. I didn't know if it was because of something like...

a. It Incites unnecessary hatred against those who caused 9/11 (or those who look like them)
b. That he was being disingenuous about 9/11 (that in reality he personally was emotionally unaffected about 9/11, and he was just pandering for votes.
c. That using 9/11 imagery to remember the tragedy was wrong because the victims or families of those perhaps would not agree with Cain's politics.
d. That the narrow-visioned "my country is always right" nationalism that is implied in that video is dangerous ideology to hold.
Or others or combination of those.

Certainly you wouldn't put it on the same level of grotesqueness as a pro-9/11 video, or would that be validated somehow.

/relax, this is still not a personal attack on you


It's not a "political" ad. It's using tragedy for gain of power in a sick and twisted way. It has nothing to do with Cain's political stance. It's designed to provoke emotion from loss and tragedy, it then exploits nationalism and patriotism under the guise of propaganda.

If you are not offended by exploiting the deaths of over 2977 Americans for political gain then there's something wrong with you. Why don't we just show soldiers being blown up and play God Bless America. Or, to make it even, why not show Iraqi civilians being blown up by drones and shot at by soldiers while playing God Bless America then have Hermie smile at the end.

It's Propaganda pure and simple and any politician that has to resort to propaganda and tragedy to get their message across had no message. The only message is exploitation of Nationalism and Patriotism of a tragedy which could have been prevented but wasn't. It's a douche move and it's sad that you need to have this explained to you.
2014-06-21 03:21:52 AM  
1 votes:
The thing I liked most about Herman Cain?  That slow smile thing he did.  It was as if someone was off camera, admonishing him to smile, over and over again, and only getting him to comply by slowly tightening the thumbscrews.
ecl
2014-06-21 12:39:29 AM  
1 votes:

Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??


He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.
2014-06-21 12:33:36 AM  
1 votes:

Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?


What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??
2014-06-21 12:09:54 AM  
1 votes:
He never left.  Been ruining 9am talk radio in Ga for a while now.
2014-06-20 11:48:55 PM  
1 votes:
"stupid people [who do vote and volunteer] are ruining America."

Well he's not wrong about that part.
2014-06-20 11:29:09 PM  
1 votes:

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: We get it. He's black best known for trying to bring back the flat tax, an idea that Republicans rejected back when Steve Forbes was running in the primaries.

2014-06-20 11:21:10 PM  
1 votes:

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: We get it. He's black.


We get it.  You got nuthin'.
2014-06-20 11:19:52 PM  
1 votes:

jmr61: I've been here for a while but posting that shiat with a hero tag is causing me to consider leaving.

Farking POS  bastards.


Hey.  If you manage to find the golden eldorado of internet forums where the trollishness is far less than here, and the quality of banter/discussion is far greater, please let us know.  I'll be happy to jump ship with you.  Posting here is kinda like voting Democrat.....  They don't really identify with me completely, and I'd like a better alternative, but realistically my options are this or the equivalent of youtube comments.
2014-06-20 11:15:30 PM  
1 votes:
I've been here for a while but posting that shiat with a hero tag is causing me to consider leaving.

Farking POS  bastards.
2014-06-20 11:14:23 PM  
1 votes:

Tetrazphere: Samuel Beale's Ghost: kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?

This is, without a doubt, the best comment of the year!

Sorry to interrupt some back-patting and caressing, but he lost the election do to the electorate, not because of a lower intelligence. By your logic, Bush was the most intelligent in 2000 and 2004.


Do you know why we know you flunked reading comprehension?  BTW its "due" not "do"
2014-06-20 10:54:10 PM  
1 votes:
I listen to Herman Cain from time to time... besides being hilarious he definitely understands and brings attention to the issues that stops small businesses from succeeding in America, and it does seem like the government continually has policies that works against small business owners.

As far as Cain being able to deal with issues like foreign policy or cultural concerns, I think he's out of his league.
2014-06-20 10:31:43 PM  
1 votes:
Cain, Romney, Perry, Paul(Jr.), Santorum...Cruz batting for Bachmann...looks like another thunderpstorm on the horizon.
2014-06-20 10:31:20 PM  
1 votes:
ftfa: "Cain also exhorted the half-filled ballroom at Washington, DC's Omni Shoreham hotel to inform themselves and get active in politics. They needed to get involved because, as he put it, "stupid people [who do vote and volunteer] are ruining America."
Those in the room need to outnumber those "stupid people,"


Project much?
2014-06-20 10:11:57 PM  
1 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: You advanced a flat tax plan that sounded more like a pizza ad. No one takes you seriously now and no one took you seriously then. You were the GOP's black friend they used to pretend they care about anyone other than rich, white males.


Scarily, people took him seriously enough to try to get him elected.

Kind of how jingoists on the right take Allen West seriously, and apologize for his actions.
2014-06-20 10:02:21 PM  
1 votes:
We get it?
2014-06-20 09:21:02 PM  
1 votes:
2014-06-20 07:10:56 PM  
1 votes:
In pog form?

/milhouse
 
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