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2014-06-20 06:28:16 PM  
"A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.
 
2014-06-20 06:32:04 PM  
So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?
 
2014-06-20 06:32:36 PM  
Was he in Uzbekibekibekistan?
 
2014-06-20 06:40:53 PM  

jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.


After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement
 
2014-06-20 06:45:39 PM  
NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!!

Go away you barking lunatic.
 
2014-06-20 06:55:04 PM  
media.mintdesignblog.com
 
2014-06-20 07:10:56 PM  
In pog form?

/milhouse
 
2014-06-20 08:59:30 PM  
Give him a few minutes and he'll stick his size nineninenines in his mouth again
 
2014-06-20 09:06:44 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: In pog form?

/milhouse


sp2.yimg.com
 
2014-06-20 09:21:02 PM  
 
2014-06-20 09:48:23 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: In pog form?

/milhouse


That would've been a good addition to the headline.
 
2014-06-20 09:51:14 PM  
You advanced a flat tax plan that sounded more like a pizza ad. No one takes you seriously now and no one took you seriously then. You were the GOP's black friend they used to pretend they care about anyone other than rich, white males.
 
2014-06-20 09:52:35 PM  

kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?


That's like people who say, "Those illegal immigrants come over here, they can't speak the language they have no skills and they steal our jerbs!"
 
2014-06-20 10:02:07 PM  
Awwwwwwwwwww shucky ducky!
 
2014-06-20 10:02:21 PM  
We get it?
 
2014-06-20 10:09:55 PM  
A first grader could run America better?

Well, that bar's over the GOP's head for sure.
 
2014-06-20 10:11:01 PM  
Dick and Jane books were published with many more than 3 pages..

Herman Cain Pledges Not To Sign Any Bill Longer Than Three Pages
 
2014-06-20 10:11:57 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: You advanced a flat tax plan that sounded more like a pizza ad. No one takes you seriously now and no one took you seriously then. You were the GOP's black friend they used to pretend they care about anyone other than rich, white males.


Scarily, people took him seriously enough to try to get him elected.

Kind of how jingoists on the right take Allen West seriously, and apologize for his actions.
 
2014-06-20 10:13:21 PM  
Best
 
2014-06-20 10:14:43 PM  
Oh come on:
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-20 10:15:57 PM  
I am in COMPLETE agreement with Herman!

We have got to get out there and out-vote the stupid people!!
 
2014-06-20 10:16:07 PM  

Wyckyd Sceptre: The greatest interview in the history of politics


Not a daily show can but that was hilarious. And kudos to Cain for doing the bit.
 
2014-06-20 10:19:00 PM  

hardinparamedic: Peter von Nostrand: You advanced a flat tax plan that sounded more like a pizza ad. No one takes you seriously now and no one took you seriously then. You were the GOP's black friend they used to pretend they care about anyone other than rich, white males.

Scarily, people took him seriously enough to try to get him elected.

Kind of how jingoists on the right take Allen West seriously, and apologize for his actions.


Yeah, good point. I had a guy at work talk him up to me for about 5 minutes one day. We he got to the 5 - 5 - 5 plan I couldn't take it anymore
 
2014-06-20 10:19:08 PM  
Come on guys, I'm sure his political views have evolved since we last saw him
images.politico.com
 
2014-06-20 10:24:39 PM  
This is coming from a man who tried to pass off a pizza deal as a viable tax plan.
 
2014-06-20 10:26:12 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-20 10:27:05 PM  
Came for creepy Cain smiling GIF.  Leaving happily surprised.
 
2014-06-20 10:27:23 PM  
Nine! Nine!  Nine!
 
2014-06-20 10:29:03 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nine! Nine!  Nine!

 
2014-06-20 10:29:30 PM  
African-American, subby, please.
 
2014-06-20 10:31:20 PM  
ftfa: "Cain also exhorted the half-filled ballroom at Washington, DC's Omni Shoreham hotel to inform themselves and get active in politics. They needed to get involved because, as he put it, "stupid people [who do vote and volunteer] are ruining America."
Those in the room need to outnumber those "stupid people,"


Project much?
 
2014-06-20 10:31:43 PM  
Cain, Romney, Perry, Paul(Jr.), Santorum...Cruz batting for Bachmann...looks like another thunderpstorm on the horizon.
 
2014-06-20 10:36:30 PM  

ginandbacon: NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!!


cdn.static.ovimg.com

"Twenty-seven!"
 
2014-06-20 10:43:57 PM  
Let's not forget this particularly grotesque piece of carefully composed mind-f*ck from our friendly former pizza slinger, screams and all.

probably NSFW
 
2014-06-20 10:54:10 PM  
I listen to Herman Cain from time to time... besides being hilarious he definitely understands and brings attention to the issues that stops small businesses from succeeding in America, and it does seem like the government continually has policies that works against small business owners.

As far as Cain being able to deal with issues like foreign policy or cultural concerns, I think he's out of his league.
 
2014-06-20 10:56:19 PM  

kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?


This is, without a doubt, the best comment of the year!

brandynbold.com
 
2014-06-20 11:03:48 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-20 11:04:44 PM  
believe it or not, people, but godfather's used to be really good pizza.
 
2014-06-20 11:06:01 PM  
What about the big potato moths?
 
ecl
2014-06-20 11:06:16 PM  

Kittypie070: Let's not forget this particularly grotesque piece of carefully composed mind-f*ck from our friendly former pizza slinger, screams and all.

probably NSFW


OMG ahahahahaha.  Now I'm laughing AND I feel like a dickhead.  Thank YOU Herman Cain.
 
2014-06-20 11:08:29 PM  

Samuel Beale's Ghost: kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?

This is, without a doubt, the best comment of the year!


Sorry to interrupt some back-patting and caressing, but he lost the election do to the electorate, not because of a lower intelligence. By your logic, Bush was the most intelligent in 2000 and 2004.
 
2014-06-20 11:08:33 PM  

Omahawg: believe it or not, people, but godfather's used to be really good pizza.


You're right, back when they used what seemed like real meat. Around the mid 90s, they started cheaping out on ingredients. Suddenly the sauce was basically ketchup and the sausage tasted like erasers.
 
2014-06-20 11:08:34 PM  

Kittypie070: Let's not forget this particularly grotesque piece of carefully composed mind-f*ck from our friendly former pizza slinger, screams and all.

probably NSFW


Ho-leeee f*ck.... I hadn't seen that before.  Was that a commercial with him singing?  If so, grotesque is the perfect word.

Just, goddamn.  This is what right-wingers eat up and support.  Just f*cking shameful.
 
2014-06-20 11:10:36 PM  

Esc7: Oh come on:
[i.imgur.com image 320x180]


Came in for a box of Herman'sGrin.Gif silver, and walked out with unexpected gold instead.  Thank you!
 
2014-06-20 11:11:08 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Kittypie070: Let's not forget this particularly grotesque piece of carefully composed mind-f*ck from our friendly former pizza slinger, screams and all.

probably NSFW

Ho-leeee f*ck.... I hadn't seen that before.  Was that a commercial with him singing?  If so, grotesque is the perfect word.

Just, goddamn.  This is what right-wingers eat up and support.  Just f*cking shameful.


Yea, but if you replace the imagery with anything other than American victims, it's eaten up and people ask for seconds.

/I do agree the singing was grotesque
 
2014-06-20 11:13:03 PM  

kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?


He's jus' a dude who lost to a dude who don' know wha dookie iiiiiiss!!!!

screencrave.com
 
2014-06-20 11:14:23 PM  

Tetrazphere: Samuel Beale's Ghost: kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?

This is, without a doubt, the best comment of the year!

Sorry to interrupt some back-patting and caressing, but he lost the election do to the electorate, not because of a lower intelligence. By your logic, Bush was the most intelligent in 2000 and 2004.


Do you know why we know you flunked reading comprehension?  BTW its "due" not "do"
 
2014-06-20 11:15:30 PM  
I've been here for a while but posting that shiat with a hero tag is causing me to consider leaving.

Farking POS  bastards.
 
2014-06-20 11:18:01 PM  
In the video Cain is asked if he agrees with Obama's support for the rebels against Muammar Gaddafi. Cain said: "I do not agree with the way he handled it, for the following reason." After hesitation and shifting in his seat, he said: "Uh, nope, that's, that's a different one. ... see, I got to go back, see. Got all this stuff twirling around in my head.  As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/15/herman-cain-libya-blund er -doubt
 
2014-06-20 11:19:15 PM  
We get it. He's black.
 
2014-06-20 11:19:52 PM  

jmr61: I've been here for a while but posting that shiat with a hero tag is causing me to consider leaving.

Farking POS  bastards.


Hey.  If you manage to find the golden eldorado of internet forums where the trollishness is far less than here, and the quality of banter/discussion is far greater, please let us know.  I'll be happy to jump ship with you.  Posting here is kinda like voting Democrat.....  They don't really identify with me completely, and I'd like a better alternative, but realistically my options are this or the equivalent of youtube comments.
 
ecl
2014-06-20 11:20:35 PM  

jmr61: I've been here for a while but posting that shiat with a hero tag is causing me to consider leaving.

Farking POS  bastards.


lh3.googleusercontent.com

He IS down with Pokemon.  He can't be pure evil.
 
2014-06-20 11:21:10 PM  

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: We get it. He's black.


We get it.  You got nuthin'.
 
2014-06-20 11:25:45 PM  

Samuel Beale's Ghost: Tetrazphere: Samuel Beale's Ghost: kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?

This is, without a doubt, the best comment of the year!

Sorry to interrupt some back-patting and caressing, but he lost the election do to the electorate, not because of a lower intelligence. By your logic, Bush was the most intelligent in 2000 and 2004.

Do you know why we know you flunked reading comprehension?  BTW its "due" not "do"


In TFA it states Cain said "a first grader would approach these problems a lot  smarter". Can't you comprehend that's what the Weenerser was referring to?

BTW it's "Do you know  how we..." not "why". Use the word "how" when asking "in what manner", and use the word "why" when asking "for what reason".
 
2014-06-20 11:26:02 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-20 11:29:09 PM  

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: We get it. He's black best known for trying to bring back the flat tax, an idea that Republicans rejected back when Steve Forbes was running in the primaries.

 
2014-06-20 11:29:10 PM  
That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.
 
2014-06-20 11:34:14 PM  

Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.


Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?
 
ecl
2014-06-20 11:35:46 PM  

Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.


It's kind of eerie to hear him singing while the plane smashes into the building.
 
2014-06-20 11:48:55 PM  
"stupid people [who do vote and volunteer] are ruining America."

Well he's not wrong about that part.
 
2014-06-20 11:58:59 PM  
It's incompetent vs. crazy/evil.

I'll take incompetent. You can keep the crazevil.
 
2014-06-21 12:02:59 AM  

fusillade762: "stupid people [who do vote and volunteer] are ruining America."

Well he's not wrong about that part.


Imagine a standardized pre-voting test. The outrage would be swift, and of course the test itself would be "designed" to marginalize segments of voters.

"But we only asked to list if they knew who was vice president, and the polices of the candidate they were voting for."

"Then why did you ask them to list all of the "Friend's" characters?"

"We thought that show had a culturally diverse following."
 
2014-06-21 12:06:11 AM  
Love me some Herman Cain. It's carpetbagging but he brings pizza out of that bag before he lines it with your donations. He reads Pokemon lyrics as if they were Twain and asks you to love him for it. He's the guy who undeniably doesn't give one shiat about anything other than his own wallet, and Republicans loved him for it.

He's farking Herman Colbert.
 
2014-06-21 12:09:54 AM  
He never left.  Been ruining 9am talk radio in Ga for a while now.
 
2014-06-21 12:22:02 AM  

Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.


The fact that the flag-waving clips are playing backwards makes it extra surreal.
 
2014-06-21 12:33:36 AM  

Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?


What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??
 
2014-06-21 12:35:41 AM  

Tetrazphere: Samuel Beale's Ghost: Tetrazphere: Samuel Beale's Ghost: kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?

This is, without a doubt, the best comment of the year!

Sorry to interrupt some back-patting and caressing, but he lost the election do to the electorate, not because of a lower intelligence. By your logic, Bush was the most intelligent in 2000 and 2004.

Do you know why we know you flunked reading comprehension?  BTW its "due" not "do"

In TFA it states Cain said "a first grader would approach these problems a lot  smarter". Can't you comprehend that's what the Weenerser was referring to?

BTW it's "Do you know  how we..." not "why". Use the word "how" when asking "in what manner", and use the word "why" when asking "for what reason".


That is some high-quality filter pwnage right there...
 
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2014-06-21 12:36:29 AM  
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2014-06-21 12:39:23 AM  
The silly little horn that clowns have with the little squeezy rubber ball? That sound. And maybe a little Three Stooges "woop woop woop", "nyuk nyuk nyuk" thrown in.
 
ecl
2014-06-21 12:39:29 AM  

Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??


He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.
 
2014-06-21 12:44:08 AM  

ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??


He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.


*lifts a picket ship clean out of the water with one energized neuron*

Well someone is asking for it.
 
2014-06-21 12:44:17 AM  
"The solution is real simple folks. Those of us who are informed have got to outvote the stupid people.  "

You're absolutely right about that, Herman, I'll give you that.
 
2014-06-21 12:47:36 AM  

fusillade762: "stupid people [who do vote and volunteer] are ruining America."

Well he's not wrong about that part.


Yep.

They're called Tea Partiers
 
2014-06-21 12:52:51 AM  
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-06-21 01:25:51 AM  
 This makes me so happy. Herman Cain needs to run for president again. He brings a surrealistic unintentional humor to the ticket that no other republican candidate can match.
 
2014-06-21 01:43:45 AM  

Kittypie070: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

*lifts a picket ship clean out of the water with one energized neuron*

Well someone is asking for it.


I was trying to narrow down your exact dislike of the ad. I didn't know if it was because of something like...

a. It Incites unnecessary hatred against those who caused 9/11 (or those who look like them)
b. That he was being disingenuous about 9/11 (that in reality he personally was emotionally unaffected about 9/11, and he was just pandering for votes.
c. That using 9/11 imagery to remember the tragedy was wrong because the victims or families of those perhaps would not agree with Cain's politics.
d. That the narrow-visioned "my country is always right" nationalism that is implied in that video is dangerous ideology to hold.
Or others or combination of those.

Certainly you wouldn't put it on the same level of grotesqueness as a pro-9/11 video, or would that be validated somehow.

/relax, this is still not a personal attack on you
 
2014-06-21 01:46:11 AM  

sprawl15: i.imgur.com


Wow.  The things I've blocked from memory with alcohol.  Pretty sure that's another accomplishment on my resume.

Thanks!
 
2014-06-21 01:48:10 AM  

ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.


Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues. Though I think he does have an undeniable understanding about how to help small businesses succeed and decrease unemployment.
 
2014-06-21 02:08:17 AM  

Tetrazphere: I was trying to narrow down your exact dislike of the ad. I didn't know if it was because of something like...

a. It Incites unnecessary hatred against those who caused 9/11 (or those who look like them)


No, that's not it.

b. That he was being disingenuous about 9/11 (that in reality he personally was emotionally unaffected about 9/11, and he was just pandering for votes.

Nope.

c. That using 9/11 imagery to remember the tragedy was wrong because the victims or families of those perhaps would not agree with Cain's politics.

Sorry, still nope.

d. That the narrow-visioned "my country is always right" nationalism that is implied in that video is dangerous ideology to hold.

Daaaamn. Sorry again but NOPE.

Or others or combination of those.

Certainly you wouldn't put it on the same level of grotesqueness as a pro-9/11 video, or would that be validated somehow.

/relax, this is still not a personal attack on you


Oooookey dokey, since the extremely jarring juxtaposition of anguished screaming and visuals of black disaster and death accompanying what SHOULD be an affectionate and celebratory song about the United States that wishes the nation both wellbeing and the blessings of the Deity does not seem to have made an impression, little kitty shall help you by attempting to catsplain.

[4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence]


don't freak out, 'tis snark and not hostility
 
2014-06-21 02:13:51 AM  

Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??


I seriously think that dude is autistic.

/Tetrazphere, not Herman Cain
//ok, maybe Herman Cain as well
 
2014-06-21 02:24:26 AM  

jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.


I think he means Rick Perry.
 
2014-06-21 02:27:36 AM  
I got only one thing to say in favour of Herman Cain.

He TRIED mighty hard to be vaguely intelligent in a half-assed way, kinda-sorta, which is a lot more than I can say for his 2012 election comrades.
 
2014-06-21 02:32:30 AM  

Tetrazphere: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues. Though I think he does have an undeniable understanding about how to help small businesses succeed and decrease unemployment.


Can you give examples of Cain demonstrating this undeniable understanding of how to help small business succeed and decrease unemployment? What exactly do you derive this belief from?
 
ecl
2014-06-21 02:38:13 AM  

Thrag: Tetrazphere: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues. Though I think he does have an undeniable understanding about how to help small businesses succeed and decrease unemployment.

Can you give examples of Cain demonstrating this undeniable understanding of how to help small business succeed and decrease unemployment? What exactly do you derive this belief from?


He's got one hell of a voice to sing a dirge against a backdrop of screams and horror.
 
2014-06-21 02:41:06 AM  

Thrag: Tetrazphere: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues. Though I think he does have an undeniable understanding about how to help small businesses succeed and decrease unemployment.

Can you give examples of Cain demonstrating this undeniable understanding of how to help small business succeed and decrease unemployment? What exactly do you derive this belief from?


Yeah, I can't tell where he's getting that derp from either. Cain's 9-9-9 plan, "empowerment zones", and a desire to get rid of the minimum wage were the reasons most people thought of him as a joke to begin with.
 
2014-06-21 02:41:48 AM  

Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: I was trying to narrow down your exact dislike of the ad. I didn't know if it was because of something like...

a. It Incites unnecessary hatred against those who caused 9/11 (or those who look like them)

No, that's not it.

b. That he was being disingenuous about 9/11 (that in reality he personally was emotionally unaffected about 9/11, and he was just pandering for votes.

Nope.

c. That using 9/11 imagery to remember the tragedy was wrong because the victims or families of those perhaps would not agree with Cain's politics.

Sorry, still nope.

d. That the narrow-visioned "my country is always right" nationalism that is implied in that video is dangerous ideology to hold.

Daaaamn. Sorry again but NOPE.

Or others or combination of those.

Certainly you wouldn't put it on the same level of grotesqueness as a pro-9/11 video, or would that be validated somehow.

/relax, this is still not a personal attack on you

Oooookey dokey, since the extremely jarring juxtaposition of anguished screaming and visuals of black disaster and death accompanying what SHOULD be an affectionate and celebratory song about the United States that wishes the nation both wellbeing and the blessings of the Deity does not seem to have made an impression, little kitty shall help you by attempting to catsplain.

[4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence]


don't freak out, 'tis snark and not hostility


For that to be an authentic reason of why you thought it so grotesque would entail you being a god-fearing patriot, and I'm just not getting that aura from you.

/the 4 minutes and 33 seconds did help your cause
//that was not post irony, that was pre-irony
 
ecl
2014-06-21 02:49:27 AM  

Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: I was trying to narrow down your exact dislike of the ad. I didn't know if it was because of something like...

a. It Incites unnecessary hatred against those who caused 9/11 (or those who look like them)

No, that's not it.

b. That he was being disingenuous about 9/11 (that in reality he personally was emotionally unaffected about 9/11, and he was just pandering for votes.

Nope.

c. That using 9/11 imagery to remember the tragedy was wrong because the victims or families of those perhaps would not agree with Cain's politics.

Sorry, still nope.

d. That the narrow-visioned "my country is always right" nationalism that is implied in that video is dangerous ideology to hold.

Daaaamn. Sorry again but NOPE.

Or others or combination of those.

Certainly you wouldn't put it on the same level of grotesqueness as a pro-9/11 video, or would that be validated somehow.

/relax, this is still not a personal attack on you

Oooookey dokey, since the extremely jarring juxtaposition of anguished screaming and visuals of black disaster and death accompanying what SHOULD be an affectionate and celebratory song about the United States that wishes the nation both wellbeing and the blessings of the Deity does not seem to have made an impression, little kitty shall help you by attempting to catsplain.

[4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence]


don't freak out, 'tis snark and not hostility

For that to be an authentic reason of why you thought it so grotesque would entail you being a god-fearing patriot, and I'm just not getting that aura from you.

/the 4 minutes and 33 seconds did help your cause
//that was not post irony, that was pre-irony


Impressively dumb.
 
2014-06-21 02:50:40 AM  

Thrag: Tetrazphere: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues. Though I think he does have an undeniable understanding about how to help small businesses succeed and decrease unemployment.

Can you give examples of Cain demonstrating this undeniable understanding of how to help small business succeed and decrease unemployment? What exactly do you derive this belief from?


Cutting payroll taxes, mandated employer covered healthcare, and mandatory minimum wage increase...all of which are understandable for huge businesses like wal-mart but kills small businesses. For example even big corporations like Papa John's, who admittedly has a greedy CEO, franchise their business name and model out to small time business owner's, who pay a monthly franchise fee to use it. They are not the millionaire's. Many actually plan a 2-5 year loss in personal revenue.
 
2014-06-21 03:21:52 AM  
The thing I liked most about Herman Cain?  That slow smile thing he did.  It was as if someone was off camera, admonishing him to smile, over and over again, and only getting him to comply by slowly tightening the thumbscrews.
 
2014-06-21 03:32:18 AM  
Herman Cain speaking at Thumpercon tells the crowd that they are "Ambassadors of intelligence" and that Obama is not smarter than a second grader?

They must have loved that. Stupid people usually love being told they are smart.

Making noises like he might run again?

So do we know that name of his new book yet or will he be releasing it closer to rube-plucking season in 2015?

/Came for the slow smile gif and Smokey the wonder shill. Not leaving disappointed.
 
2014-06-21 03:41:45 AM  
I'm no "god-fearing patriot"!!

Why accost thou cat with so low an insult?

I am a JFK Liberal.
 
2014-06-21 03:53:38 AM  

Yakk: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

I think he means Rick Perry.


LOL Rick Perry... the Peter Griffin of politics
 
2014-06-21 03:58:14 AM  

Kittypie070: Let's not forget this particularly grotesque piece of carefully composed mind-f*ck from our friendly former pizza slinger, screams and all.

probably NSFW


Dear God that is grim. What tasteless farkwad thought that was a good idea to make?
 
2014-06-21 04:00:04 AM  
I don't get the Pokemon references. Can someone clue me in on that meme?
 
2014-06-21 04:01:27 AM  

Kittypie070: I'm no "god-fearing patriot"!!

Why accost thou cat with so low an insult?

I am a JFK Liberal.



JFK Liberal my ass that's a convenient cover-story that's been working for you for many years now. Just keeping them off your tail.

ct.fra.bz
 
2014-06-21 04:04:04 AM  

jmr61: I've been here for a while but posting that shiat with a hero tag is causing me to consider leaving.

Farking POS  bastards.


Your rapier wit hides your inner pain?
 
2014-06-21 04:06:04 AM  
He quoted a line from a Pokemon movie -"I believe these words came from the  Pokémon movie. 'Life can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible. It's never easy when there's so much on the line. But you and I can make a difference. There's a mission just for you and me.'" during his exiting speech as GOP candidate in 2012.
 
2014-06-21 04:07:03 AM  
OK Tetrazphere, you officially suck.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com


:3
 
2014-06-21 04:08:17 AM  

hardinparamedic: I don't get the Pokemon references. Can someone clue me in on that meme?


In Cain's final speech before he quit his campaign he actually quoted lyrics from the Donna Summer song "The Power of One" from the Pokemon movie.
 
2014-06-21 04:11:08 AM  

Tetrazphere: He quoted a line from a Pokemon movie -"I believe these words came from the  Pokémon movie. 'Life can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible. It's never easy when there's so much on the line. But you and I can make a difference. There's a mission just for you and me.'" during his exiting speech as GOP candidate in 2012.


Really?! Someone should have posted a photo reminding us of that fact.
 
2014-06-21 04:12:40 AM  

jmr61: causing


Whatever, liar. Just like all the attention whore social justice warriors who vowed to leave during that amazingly entertaining Mandela thread. Just like every political blowhard who threatens to leave should so and so be elected.

But please, baby, please don't go.
 
2014-06-21 04:14:20 AM  
Bouncing a round off a soda can on the Grassy Knoll was, I must admit, a rather..um...hahahaha...creative touch.

Was it full or empty?

/probably poured molten lead in it that's the only way it'd hahahahahahahaha aaahahahaha yeah riiight
 
2014-06-21 04:26:46 AM  

Fark You I'm Drunk: Tetrazphere: He quoted a line from a Pokemon movie -"I believe these words came from the  Pokémon movie. 'Life can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible. It's never easy when there's so much on the line. But you and I can make a difference. There's a mission just for you and me.'" during his exiting speech as GOP candidate in 2012.

Really?! Someone should have posted a photo reminding us of that fact.


That was an answer to hardinparamedic question about that photo reminding us of that fact. I forgot to quote his post.
 
2014-06-21 04:41:37 AM  

Tetrazphere: Fark You I'm Drunk: Tetrazphere: He quoted a line from a Pokemon movie -"I believe these words came from the  Pokémon movie. 'Life can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible. It's never easy when there's so much on the line. But you and I can make a difference. There's a mission just for you and me.'" during his exiting speech as GOP candidate in 2012.

Really?! Someone should have posted a photo reminding us of that fact.

That was an answer to hardinparamedic question about that photo reminding us of that fact. I forgot to quote his post.


We're all well aware of when he quoted that. It's one of the many, many reasons most people think he's an idiot.
 
2014-06-21 05:17:45 AM  

Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

*lifts a picket ship clean out of the water with one energized neuron*

Well someone is asking for it.

I was trying to narrow down your exact dislike of the ad. I didn't know if it was because of something like...

a. It Incites unnecessary hatred against those who caused 9/11 (or those who look like them)
b. That he was being disingenuous about 9/11 (that in reality he personally was emotionally unaffected about 9/11, and he was just pandering for votes.
c. That using 9/11 imagery to remember the tragedy was wrong because the victims or families of those perhaps would not agree with Cain's politics.
d. That the narrow-visioned "my country is always right" nationalism that is implied in that video is dangerous ideology to hold.
Or others or combination of those.

Certainly you wouldn't put it on the same level of grotesqueness as a pro-9/11 video, or would that be validated somehow.

/relax, this is still not a personal attack on you


It's not a "political" ad. It's using tragedy for gain of power in a sick and twisted way. It has nothing to do with Cain's political stance. It's designed to provoke emotion from loss and tragedy, it then exploits nationalism and patriotism under the guise of propaganda.

If you are not offended by exploiting the deaths of over 2977 Americans for political gain then there's something wrong with you. Why don't we just show soldiers being blown up and play God Bless America. Or, to make it even, why not show Iraqi civilians being blown up by drones and shot at by soldiers while playing God Bless America then have Hermie smile at the end.

It's Propaganda pure and simple and any politician that has to resort to propaganda and tragedy to get their message across had no message. The only message is exploitation of Nationalism and Patriotism of a tragedy which could have been prevented but wasn't. It's a douche move and it's sad that you need to have this explained to you.
 
2014-06-21 05:37:17 AM  
and he's BEAUTIFUL.
 
2014-06-21 06:09:00 AM  

Kittypie070: I got only one thing to say in favour of Herman Cain.

He TRIED mighty hard to be vaguely intelligent in a half-assed way, kinda-sorta, which is a lot more than I can say for his 2012 election comrades.


He wants the job, doesn't he?
 
2014-06-21 06:16:03 AM  
Chris Heath: What can you tell about a man by the type of pizza that he likes?
Herman Cain: [repeats the question aloud, then pauses for a long moment] The more toppings a man has on his pizza, I believe the more manly he is.
Chris Heath: Why is that?
Herman Cain: Because the more manly man is not afraid of abundance. [laughs]
Devin Gordon: Is that purely a meat question?
Herman Cain: A manly man don't want it piled high with vegetables! He would call that a sissy pizza.

/Sage advice.
//Vegetables are for girls and sissies.
///Real men like to stuff their mouths with big, throbbing pieces of meat, like peperoni and sausage. . .

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/201111/herman-cain-intervie w- alan-richman-chris-heath-devin-gordon
 
2014-06-21 06:38:02 AM  
From the same interview:

Chris Heath: You used to be a Democrat didn't you?
Herman Cain: I used to vote Democrat.
Chris Heath: Why?
Herman Cain: Because I grew up in the South during the civil rights movement. The Democrats co-opted the credit for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But if you go back and look at the history, a larger percentage of Republicans voted for that than did Democrats. But a Democrat president signed it, so they co-opted credit for having passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

/Creative math:  a higher percentage of Republicans in Congress voted for the 1964 CRA and the 1965 VRA, but a larger number of Democrats voted for both acts, since both acts were passed when Democrats held a huge majority in both houses of Congress.

The Eighty-eighth United States Congress was a meeting of the legislative branch of the United States federal government, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives. It met in Washington, D.C. from January 3, 1963 to January 3, 1965, during the last year of the administration of U.S. President John F. Kennedy, and the first administration of his successor, U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson. The apportionment of seats in this House of Representatives was based on the Eighteenth Census of the United States in 1960, and the number of members was again 435 (had temporarily been 437 in order to seat one member each from recently admitted states of Alaska and Hawaii). Both chambers had a Democratic majority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88th_Congress

The Eighty-ninth United States Congress was a meeting of the legislative branch of the United States federal government, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives. It met in Washington, DC from January 3, 1965 to January 3, 1967, during the third and fourth years of Lyndon Johnson's presidency. The apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives was based on the Eighteenth Census of the United States in 1960. Both chambers had a Democratic supermajority. It is regarded as "arguably the most productive in American history".[1] Some of its landmark legislation includes the creation of Medicare and Medicaid, the Voting Rights Act, Higher Education Act, and Freedom of Information Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_Congress

Maybe he's simply unaware that the strategy of civil rights activists in the 60s was to get involved in the Democratic Party in Southern states and fight to take control from the Southern segregationists within the party, since the Republicans had very little presence in the South at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Freedom_Democratic_Party

In the current Congress, almost all the House Democrats representing Deep South states like Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina are African American (except for one white Democrat in Georgia).

Maybe he somehow missed the whole "Southern Strategy" thing.

Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it,[11] but merely popularized it.[12] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:
    From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

"Who needs Manhattan when we can get the electoral votes of eleven Southern states?" Kevin Phillips, the prophet of "the emerging Republican majority," asked in 1968, when he was piecing together Richard Nixon's electoral map. The eleven states, he meant, of the Old Confederacy. "Put those together with the Farm Belt and the Rocky Mountains, and we don't need the big cities. We don't even want them. Sure, Hubert [Humphrey] will carry Riverside Drive in November. La-de-dah. What will he do in Oklahoma?"

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112365/why-republicans-are-party- wh ite-people

/Well, duh!  Why would you want votes from large population centers when you can count on areas with small populations?
 
2014-06-21 06:50:59 AM  

Lackofname: A first grader could run America better?

Well, that bar's over the GOP's head for sure.


Challengeaccepted.jpg
 
2014-06-21 07:17:52 AM  
Yea, I was interested in picking Kitty's brain, no offense but she is a bit more interesting, given the general 'splantions you mentioned. She artfully pointed out - "the extremely jarring juxtaposition of anguished screaming and visuals of black disaster and death accompanying what SHOULD be an affectionate and celebratory song" was described like a seasoned post-modern art critic.

Your view pretty much restates the basic 4 reasons i laid out. The point I was really trying to get to was if kitty disliked the add because of her political partisanship, or because of the obvious bad taste and the overt nationalistic dark reminder of 9/11 in a way that induces emotion.

I was wondering if the content of the video was switched, but the context was kept the same,.... if it were scenes of Afghani or Iraqi footage of American-bombed aftermath, with an Islamic song being sung by an Afghani political candidate, would it be grotesque (to her)? Would people then see it in an acceptable light, a way that they could agree with? What if Cain's video wasn't a political add, and it was made by a group of 9/11 families? Would it be seen in an understandable light?

From a wider perspective, I'm wondering what a political philosophy would look like if it were truly nonpartisan and held continuity on all issues. So far I'm finding this theory of politics would be extremely difficult to abide by. Very few do not approach politics like a sports team to root for, they find out their teams stance on an issue and then spout the talking points. This is a predictable waste of time and does not encourage lateral thinking.

To transcend partisanship would mean to integrate the best of the political parties while being aware of the weaknesses, while also creating an atmosphere for post-liberal idea's to emerge. (Currently liberal ideology is a psychological stage or two above traditional and achievement conservatism, but has some very dangerous pitfalls of it's own).

/do not confuse me with someone with archaic political naivete
 
2014-06-21 07:25:31 AM  
wotthefark: Read above
 
2014-06-21 07:38:16 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-21 07:38:30 AM  

Tetrazphere: Yea, I was interested in picking Kitty's brain, no offense but she is a bit more interesting, given the general 'splantions you mentioned. She artfully pointed out - "the extremely jarring juxtaposition of anguished screaming and visuals of black disaster and death accompanying what SHOULD be an affectionate and celebratory song" was described like a seasoned post-modern art critic.

Your view pretty much restates the basic 4 reasons i laid out. The point I was really trying to get to was if kitty disliked the add because of her political partisanship, or because of the obvious bad taste and the overt nationalistic dark reminder of 9/11 in a way that induces emotion.

I was wondering if the content of the video was switched, but the context was kept the same,.... if it were scenes of Afghani or Iraqi footage of American-bombed aftermath, with an Islamic song being sung by an Afghani political candidate, would it be grotesque (to her)? Would people then see it in an acceptable light, a way that they could agree with? What if Cain's video wasn't a political add, and it was made by a group of 9/11 families? Would it be seen in an understandable light?


And wouldn't it be awesome, if Wolverine fought Batman, cuz Wolverine would be like all 'SNIKT' and Batman would be all silent and staring, and then they'd fight, and who do you think would win?

Why did I write that? Because that fiction has as much bearing on the conversation as your statement above does. What if an Afghan political party did it? Why should I give a fark? It has nothing to do with our elections and what Herman Cain DID. Same with the 9/11 families. Did they do said thing? No. Therefore it has no bearing on the conversation.


From a wider perspective, I'm wondering what a political philosophy would look like if it were truly nonpartisan and held continuity on all issues. So far I'm finding this theory of politics would be extremely difficult to abide by. Very few do not approach politics like a sports team to root for, they find out their teams stance on an issue and then spout the talking points. This is a predictable waste of time and does not encourage lateral thinking.


So what you're saying is both sides are bad. Any advice on who to vote for?


To transcend partisanship would mean to integrate the best of the political parties while being aware of the weaknesses, while also creating an atmosphere for post-liberal idea's to emerge. (Currently liberal ideology is a psychological stage or two above traditional and achievement conservatism, but has some very dangerous pitfalls of it's own).

Ok, you lost me on this one. And you say Kittypie sounds like a seasoned art critic? Are you Poe-ing me?

/do not confuse me with s ...
 
2014-06-21 07:43:21 AM  
Cain pretty much killed his radio and political career when he started supporting amnesty for illegal aliens...most conservatives could care less about Cain now
 
2014-06-21 07:48:31 AM  

kronicfeld: So you're saying that you lost to the guy who lost to the guy who is worse than a first grader?


No, he didn't lose, he dropped out.  There is a difference.
 
2014-06-21 07:53:43 AM  
FTFA: Cain said the Obama administration was suffering from "a crisis of crises" on the home front and abroad. He then contended that "a first grader would approach these problems a lot smarter" than Obama and his team. "I'm not saying that to be insulting," he said. "I'm just telling you the truth."

Cain also exhorted the half-filled ballroom at Washington, DC's Omni Shoreham hotel to inform themselves and get active in politics. They needed to get involved because, as he put it, "stupid people [who do vote and volunteer] are ruining America."

Those in the room need to outnumber those "stupid people," he continued. "The solution is real simple folks. Those of us who are informed have got to outvote the stupid people. And you have got to become ambassadors of intelligence, ambassadors of information."


Anybody notice the irony? He accuses the President and his administration as not being as smart as a first grader, and then his elaboration why is basically calling those who disagree with him as "stupid". What next? Call those with a difference in political opinions "poopie-heads"?

Unfortunately this is what conservative "intellectualism" has become. Childish insults, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, bigoted defenses of racism, and misogynistic defenses of sexual assault. Herman Cain along with others like Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman, George Will, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, etc. are the flag bearers of this new conservative "intellectualism".
 
2014-06-21 08:26:06 AM  

heavymetal: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 550x369]


Not sure if Cain or Thomas. Then I read "Grope" and... nope. Still not sure if Cain or Thomas.
 
2014-06-21 08:28:33 AM  

Thrag: This makes me so happy. Herman Cain needs to run for president again. He brings a surrealistic unintentional humor to the ticket that no other republican candidate can match.


blog.chron.com
Challenge accepted!
 
2014-06-21 08:29:55 AM  
Well, I see the season to grift has officially begun then. Good luck with that Herman. I'm sure that you can turn a buck off this, and that will sate the masses for a bit...
 
2014-06-21 08:54:41 AM  

ecl: jmr61: I've been here for a while but posting that shiat with a hero tag is causing me to consider leaving.

Farking POS  bastards.



He IS down with Pokemon.  He can't be pure evil.


He's not pure evil, he's pure stupid.
 
2014-06-21 09:02:12 AM  

Tetrazphere: Thrag: Tetrazphere: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues. Though I think he does have an undeniable understanding about how to help small businesses succeed and decrease unemployment.

Can you give examples of Cain demonstrating this undeniable understanding of how to help small business succeed and decrease unemployment? What exactly do you derive this belief from?

Cutting payroll taxes, mandated employer covered healthcare, and mandatory minimum wage increase...all of which are understandable for huge businesses like wal-mart but kills small businesses. For example even big corporations like Papa John's, who admittedly has a greedy CEO, franchise their business name and model out to small time business owner's, who pay a monthly franchise fee to use it. They are not the millionaire's. Many actually plan a 2-5 year loss in personal revenue.


Things that benefit workers hurt small business owners. Got it.
 
2014-06-21 09:14:16 AM  

Omahawg: believe it or not, people, but godfather's used to be really good pizza.


I remember...lots of really good cheese.  That pizza was delicious.
 
2014-06-21 09:16:03 AM  

Tetrazphere: Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues


Now you're just throwing in words that you think make you sound smart. Sadly, your ignorance of what they mena actually makes you sound stupid. You know what that is? It's like rain on your wedding day.

/clue: he's not going to be analyzing literature or philosophy
 
2014-06-21 09:20:03 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: You advanced a flat tax plan that sounded more like a pizza ad. No one takes you seriously now and no one took you seriously then. You were the GOP's black friend they used to pretend they care about anyone other than rich, white males.


He was a front runner. His 999 plan was taken seriously. He fell out of favor because of his pro-rape policies. I recall an avalanche of abused women stepping forward or it could have been Cain instead of Rmoney.
 
2014-06-21 09:22:03 AM  
What the hell is a "post-modern cultural issue" in regard to the office of POTUS?

Is he going to have to handle criticism of his paintings of soup cans?
 
2014-06-21 09:24:03 AM  
Herman didn't (doesn't know how to?) read the memo.  Obama is old news.  Trashing Hillary Clinton is the new cause célèbre.
 
ecl
2014-06-21 09:24:07 AM  

Tetrazphere: Yea, I was interested in picking Kitty's brain, no offense but she is a bit more interesting, given the general 'splantions you mentioned. She artfully pointed out - "the extremely jarring juxtaposition of anguished screaming and visuals of black disaster and death accompanying what SHOULD be an affectionate and celebratory song" was described like a seasoned post-modern art critic.

Your view pretty much restates the basic 4 reasons i laid out. The point I was really trying to get to was if kitty disliked the add because of her political partisanship, or because of the obvious bad taste and the overt nationalistic dark reminder of 9/11 in a way that induces emotion.

I was wondering if the content of the video was switched, but the context was kept the same,.... if it were scenes of Afghani or Iraqi footage of American-bombed aftermath, with an Islamic song being sung by an Afghani political candidate, would it be grotesque (to her)? Would people then see it in an acceptable light, a way that they could agree with? What if Cain's video wasn't a political add, and it was made by a group of 9/11 families? Would it be seen in an understandable light?

From a wider perspective, I'm wondering what a political philosophy would look like if it were truly nonpartisan and held continuity on all issues. So far I'm finding this theory of politics would be extremely difficult to abide by. Very few do not approach politics like a sports team to root for, they find out their teams stance on an issue and then spout the talking points. This is a predictable waste of time and does not encourage lateral thinking.

To transcend partisanship would mean to integrate the best of the political parties while being aware of the weaknesses, while also creating an atmosphere for post-liberal idea's to emerge. (Currently liberal ideology is a psychological stage or two above traditional and achievement conservatism, but has some very dangerous pitfalls of it's own).

/do not confuse me with s ...



Lots of theatre-grade projection going on with you.
 
2014-06-21 09:27:23 AM  
I preferred the Terry Crews version of him on Arrested Development.
 
2014-06-21 09:30:00 AM  

Wyckyd Sceptre: The greatest interview in the history of politics


That was wonderful.
 
2014-06-21 09:39:04 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Love me some Herman Cain. It's carpetbagging but he brings pizza out of that bag before he lines it with your donations. He reads Pokemon lyrics as if they were Twain and asks you to love him for it. He's the guy who undeniably doesn't give one shiat about anything other than his own wallet, and Republicans loved him for it.

He's farking Herman Colbert.


Yup.  The dude has a degree in math and a master's in computer science, he certainly is no dummy, he just plays one to fleece tubes.
 
2014-06-21 09:41:12 AM  
...That should say rubes.
 
2014-06-21 10:04:24 AM  

Trance750: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement


How long is the but Bush bullshiat going to last? Yeah he was a crappy president but FFS your guy has to take responsibility for SOMETHING.
 
ecl
2014-06-21 10:10:43 AM  

Obama's Left Nut: Trance750: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement

How long is the but Bush bullshiat going to last? Yeah he was a crappy president but FFS your guy has to take responsibility for SOMETHING.


How long will it take to fix Iraq?  Forever?  Then Bush/Cheney can suck infinite dicks.
 
2014-06-21 10:11:51 AM  

Obama's Left Nut: Trance750: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement

How long is the but Bush bullshiat going to last? Yeah he was a crappy president but FFS your guy has to take responsibility for SOMETHING.


Maybe quit asking him to take responsibility for something he didn't do? Maybe we blame Bush for a lot of stuff he did because Bush is the one who actually did those things? Obama didn't magically invade Iraq in 2003 just because he became President in 2009.
 
2014-06-21 10:26:19 AM  
The best thing about the Cain campaign was that he had a pretty p[prestigious position at the Fed.  In a sane world he could tailored his message around that experience and sell himself as the only candidate who understands how an economy works. Since Cain was in Fed hating GOP, he had to pretend that experience never existed and he had to campaign as the pizza guy.
 
2014-06-21 11:00:47 AM  

ecl: Obama's Left Nut: Trance750: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement

How long is the but Bush bullshiat going to last? Yeah he was a crappy president but FFS your guy has to take responsibility for SOMETHING.

How long will it take to fix Iraq?  Forever?  Then Bush/Cheney can suck infinite dicks.


Oh that is right I forgot.... Obama got all our troops out of Iraq.... but wait he is now saying the reason we did not leave troops in Iraq is because the Iraqi government would not give us the usual immunities we require for our troops.....

Which one is it?
 
2014-06-21 11:03:48 AM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: heavymetal: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 550x369]

Not sure if Cain or Thomas. Then I read "Grope" and... nope. Still not sure if Cain or Thomas.


Is that because they all look alike?
 
2014-06-21 11:05:41 AM  

Obama's Left Nut: Oh that is right I forgot.... Obama got all our troops out of Iraq.... but wait he is now saying the reason we did not leave troops in Iraq is because the Iraqi government would not give us the usual immunities we require for our troops.....

Which one is it?


ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2014-06-21 11:30:14 AM  
Remember Herman Cain?

Yep.

HE'S BACK.

i78.photobucket.com

"Gary Coleman, his arms held high."
 
2014-06-21 11:52:04 AM  

Obama's Left Nut: Trance750: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement

How long is the but Bush bullshiat going to last? Yeah he was a crappy president but FFS your guy has to take responsibility for SOMETHING.


Obama's responsible for plenty.  Like getting us mostly out of the hole Bush dug us into.
 
2014-06-21 11:52:27 AM  

WI241TH: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Love me some Herman Cain. It's carpetbagging but he brings pizza out of that bag before he lines it with your donations. He reads Pokemon lyrics as if they were Twain and asks you to love him for it. He's the guy who undeniably doesn't give one shiat about anything other than his own wallet, and Republicans loved him for it.

He's farking Herman Colbert.

Yup.  The dude has a degree in math and a master's in computer science, he certainly is no dummy, he just plays one to fleece tubes.


I don't think having degrees in math and computer science are dispositive of the question whether someone is a dummy.
 
2014-06-21 11:52:58 AM  

Obama's Left Nut: Oh that is right I forgot.... Obama got all our troops out of Iraq.... but wait he is now saying the reason we did not leave troops in Iraq is because the Iraqi government would not give us the usual immunities we require for our troops.....


It's almost as if geopolitics is complicated and there's never only one reason for anything.
 
2014-06-21 11:57:30 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Obama's Left Nut: Oh that is right I forgot.... Obama got all our troops out of Iraq.... but wait he is now saying the reason we did not leave troops in Iraq is because the Iraqi government would not give us the usual immunities we require for our troops.....

It's almost as if geopolitics is complicated and there's never only one reason for anything.


No way man. Everything can be simplified to a bumper sticker. Being smart is dangerous because reasons.
 
2014-06-21 12:03:50 PM  

Rann Xerox: Remember Herman Cain?

Yep.

HE'S BACK.

[i78.photobucket.com image 210x195]

"Gary Coleman, his arms held high."


High is a relative term when you're six feet under, Sir.
 
2014-06-21 02:20:27 PM  

He then contended that "a first grader would approach these problems a lot smarter" than Obama and his team. "I'm not saying that to be insulting," he said. "I'm just telling you the truth."


"You mother sucks off various types of farm animals in the middle of the night. Whoa whoa whoa! I'm not saying that to be insulting! I'm just telling you the truth!
 
2014-06-21 02:23:33 PM  

quatchi: In Cain's final speech before he quit his campaign he actually quoted lyrics from the Donna Summer song "The Power of One" from the Pokemon movie.


Hmmm. I would have much preferred "Love to Love You Baby." Especially the groaning sounds.
 
2014-06-21 02:31:31 PM  
Herman "9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9" Cain
 
2014-06-21 02:56:48 PM  

Rann Xerox: Remember Herman Cain?

Yep.

HE'S BACK.

[i78.photobucket.com image 210x195]

"Gary Coleman, his arms held high."


I missed you.
 
2014-06-21 03:07:53 PM  
Spermin' Herman.


i miss his Pizza Song.
 
2014-06-21 03:17:56 PM  

Rann Xerox: Remember Herman Cain?

Yep.

HE'S BACK.

[i78.photobucket.com image 210x195]

"Gary Coleman, his arms held high."


When the walls fell.
 
2014-06-21 03:52:23 PM  
Holy shiat now I'm a post-modern art critic :D

I'm starting to like you, Tetrazphere.

if it were scenes of Afghani or Iraqi footage of American-bombed aftermath, with an Islamic song being sung by an Afghani political candidate, would it be grotesque (to her)?

It would in my eyes be monstrously sad and horrible, even with a complete comprehension of the event depicted. Even if I KNEW that the KIAs were entirely "bad guys" and my country's attack was completely justified..

I know very well what my country's weapons can do.

I am a human being before I am anything else.

I am capable of sympathizing with the humanity of my enemy even as I am obliterating him on the battlefield with unquestionably just cause.

Trouble is with your question I'd need to be completely fluent in Pashto in order to understand the song, and experienced in the understanding of the culture involved.

I am neither. And as many times as I've joked about it, I'm sure as hell not a telepath.

So, I fear that particular point gets a bit lost.

Would people then see it in an acceptable light, a way that they could agree with? What if Cain's video wasn't a political add, and it was made by a group of 9/11 families? Would it be seen in an understandable light?

All I can say is that I think the same video if made by a different source with different motives -- should I watch it -- would be just as unpleasant and tasteless, in my eyes, from a purely aesthetic viewpoint.

Trying to ask me to like something I flatly don't like -- whatever it might be, wherever it might come from -- because it's psychologically and artistically mindf*ck is Not A Good Thing To Ask of me.

To transcend partisanship would mean to integrate the best of the political parties while being aware of the weaknesses,

This is why I'm a JFK fan.
 
2014-06-21 03:56:09 PM  
However much they're paying Tetrazphere to talk up Cain, I sure hope they demand a refund.
Who needs "enemies" when you have "fans" like this?
 
2014-06-21 04:17:07 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: And wouldn't it be awesome, if Wolverine fought Batman, cuz Wolverine would be like all 'SNIKT' and Batman would be all silent and staring, and then they'd fight, and who do you think would win?

Why did I write that? Because that fiction has as much bearing on the conversation as your statement above does. What if an Afghan political party did it? Why should I give a fark?



You're not world-centric in your thinking, that's fine. But we are now living in a truly interconnected global society. What's going on in the middle-east directly effects you and everyone else. Pro 9/11 video's (different context...celebrating attacks on innocents, not remembering the victims) Gas prices have spiked lately in direct relation to ISIS  unimpeded takeover of many Iraqi cities. During that blitz they also plundered enough money to now be the richest terrorist organization on the planet. Which may help the leader of ISIS fulfill his vow to attack New York. This will effect your world in some way.


So what you're saying is both sides are bad. Any advice on who to vote for?


Not that their bad, just only partially right.
I'm not happy with any of the likely candidates. Most of the Republican party is a decade or 3 behind the curve and I haven't really been able to take Chris Christie seriously. Hillary does not sit well with me, I hope another Democratic candidate emerges. Also a third-party vote is still likely a wasted vote.


To transcend partisanship would mean to integrate the best of the political parties while being aware of the weaknesses, while also creating an atmosphere for post-liberal idea's to emerge. (Currently liberal ideology is a psychological stage or two above traditional and achievement conservatism, but has some very dangerous pitfalls of it's own).

Ok, you lost me on this one. And you say Kittypie sounds like a seasoned art critic? Are you Poe-ing me?



Basically some common attributes of the right are personal responsibility, self-determination, discipline, achievement drive etc.. which the left tends to lack. The best of the left is a liberation from dogma and greed, environmentalism, post-conventional thought, and taking the perspective of marginalized groups which the left can over-emphasize but the right completely ignores. None of these concepts are mutually exclusive and they can be integrated. Most of the political thought-capital is spent formulating partisaned idea's that simultaneously show why the other side is wrong. I think that is hindering the emergence of better solutions that could otherwise emerge.

And no, I'm not kidding about the Kitty.
 
2014-06-21 04:20:30 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Tetrazphere: Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues

Now you're just throwing in words that you think make you sound smart. Sadly, your ignorance of what they mena actually makes you sound stupid. You know what that is? It's like rain on your wedding day.

/clue: he's not going to be analyzing literature or philosophy



Yea, but an inside event was pre-scheduled, that's post-modern irony.

Herman Cain is modern, he doesn't want to hear about pluralism, or marginalizing, or constructed mental realities that the post-modern world is about.
 
2014-06-21 04:29:17 PM  
www.motherjones.com

/He has a BSc in Mathematics.
 
2014-06-21 04:40:38 PM  

Tetrazphere: Basically some common attributes of the right are personal responsibility, self-determination, discipline, achievement drive etc.. which the left tends to lack.


These sound more like traits that the right has assigned to themselves more than any demonstrable reality. Or, at the very least, that the left, as a general rule, also shares these values. Self-style righties do not own the market on, say, having a job and wanting to own a business.

I'm sorry to cherry-pick your post, but that particular remark/sentiment always pisses me off. It tacitly suggests that to be a liberal in America, you're dependent on the government for everything.
 
2014-06-21 04:48:22 PM  
What's his skin color got to do with it, substers?
 
2014-06-21 04:51:47 PM  

ecl: Obama's Left Nut: Trance750: jasonvatch: "A First Grader Could Run America Better" said Herman Cain.

Maybe, but you didn't get the chance.

After 8 years of Bush, a first grader would be an improvement

How long is the but Bush bullshiat going to last? Yeah he was a crappy president but FFS your guy has to take responsibility for SOMETHING.

How long will it take to fix Iraq?  Forever?  Then Bush/Cheney can suck infinite dicks.


And gave their buddies at Hiliburton contracts, kickbacks, and Presidential Favors

Of course Cheney served on the board of directors, but I'm sure that had nothing at all to do with that
 
2014-06-21 04:56:33 PM  
the annual conference of the Faith and Freedom Coalition

One of the many conservative circle jerk events of the year. Enjoy your radical right-wing fan fic.
 
2014-06-21 05:27:44 PM  

Tetrazphere: Basically some common attributes of the right are personal responsibility, self-determination ...


All right, I admit right now I'm just gonna use ONE guy as an example. Are we both clear on that? ONE guy, to serve as ONE example.


When Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) led the charge to shut down the United States government over the implementation of the Affordable Care Act last fall, the general consensus, including among many of his Republican colleagues, was that the move would be a disaster for the GOP.

Cruz did find a receptive audience for his shutdown strategy among House conservatives, whom he secretly strategized with during the shutdown at the Capitol Hill Mexican restaurant Tortilla Coast.


------

CRUZ: But look, I - I - let me be very clear. I said throughout this, we shouldn't have a shutdown. I don't want a shutdown. I repeatedly voted to open the government.

KARL: But there never would have been a shutdown if you hadn't gone with the strategy of saying we're not even going to fund the government for six weeks -

(CROSSTALK)

CRUZ: And you know what?

KARL: - unless we can defund ObamaCare.

CRUZ: - you know what, John, there never would have been a shutdown if Harry Reid and President Obama hadn't said we will not compromise, we will not negotiate, shut the government down.


-------

The Texas Senator has shown no sense of responsibility or conscience over the damage that he has done.

------

Republicans are outraged today after Sen. Ted Cruz withdrew his support for his own plan to shutdown the government unless Obamacare is defunded.

OK, so this is just one guy outta the whole lot of 'em. Remember, it's just one example.

It just doesn't seem all that "responsible" for some guy to gin up something really honking big, spend a whoooooooole buttload of consecutive hours filibustering FOR it, and then turn right around and completely deny that he had anything whatever to do with the very thing he himself spent an entire summer ginning up, and then finally wind up voting AGAINST it.
 
2014-06-21 05:54:55 PM  

Obama's Left Nut: Fark like a Barsoomian: heavymetal: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 550x369]

Not sure if Cain or Thomas. Then I read "Grope" and... nope. Still not sure if Cain or Thomas.

Is that because they all look alike?


It's because that pic of Cain is too fat in the face to be Cain.
 
2014-06-21 06:19:39 PM  

Kittypie070: All right, I admit right now I'm just gonna use ONE guy as an example.


Yeah, but Cruz's family is from Cuba and he was born in Canada, so obviously not a true Scotsman.

/He probably doesn't even like haggis.
 
2014-06-21 06:36:11 PM  

HighOnCraic: Kittypie070: All right, I admit right now I'm just gonna use ONE guy as an example.

Yeah, but Cruz's family is from Cuba and he was born in Canada, so obviously not a true Scotsman.

/He probably doesn't even like haggis.


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2014-06-21 06:47:00 PM  

Kittypie070: HighOnCraic: Kittypie070: All right, I admit right now I'm just gonna use ONE guy as an example.

Yeah, but Cruz's family is from Cuba and he was born in Canada, so obviously not a true Scotsman.

/He probably doesn't even like haggis.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 299x169]


Maybe you missed the joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
 
2014-06-21 08:24:42 PM  

HighOnCraic: Maybe you missed the joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman


Nah, I got it OK. :3
 
2014-06-21 09:00:39 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Tetrazphere: Thrag: Tetrazphere: ecl: Kittypie070: Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: That is not a shuck either folks. It's an honest to Hades political advert from that guy.

Kitty, do you think that add have any place at all, outside of politics?

What!? Are we or are we not in the Fark Politics section??

Did I somehow not make it quite blatantly and transparently obvious that it was indeed specifically a political ad and ONLY a political ad!!??

He just doesn't like you beating up on his candidate of choice.

Already said he's not equipped to handle foreign policy or post-modern cultural issues. Though I think he does have an undeniable understanding about how to help small businesses succeed and decrease unemployment.

Can you give examples of Cain demonstrating this undeniable understanding of how to help small business succeed and decrease unemployment? What exactly do you derive this belief from?

Cutting payroll taxes, mandated employer covered healthcare, and mandatory minimum wage increase...all of which are understandable for huge businesses like wal-mart but kills small businesses. For example even big corporations like Papa John's, who admittedly has a greedy CEO, franchise their business name and model out to small time business owner's, who pay a monthly franchise fee to use it. They are not the millionaire's. Many actually plan a 2-5 year loss in personal revenue.

Things that benefit workers hurt small business owners. Got it.



It's beneficial for the workers if the small business can keep their doors open.
 
2014-06-21 09:34:00 PM  

dickfreckle: Tetrazphere: Basically some common attributes of the right are personal responsibility, self-determination, discipline, achievement drive etc.. which the left tends to lack.

These sound more like traits that the right has assigned to themselves more than any demonstrable reality. Or, at the very least, that the left, as a general rule, also shares these values. Self-style righties do not own the market on, say, having a job and wanting to own a business.

I'm sorry to cherry-pick your post, but that particular remark/sentiment always pisses me off. It tacitly suggests that to be a liberal in America, you're dependent on the government for everything.



Well it also is about the policies themselves. Liberals tend to emphasize exterior causes for someone's suffering "bigoted traditional conservatives" or "greedy wall-street conservatives" or just having a society where the marginalized fall through the cracks, it's not their fault.

Conservatives tend to emphasize interior causes...like the aforementioned personal responsibility, work ethic, undisciplined spending and non-saving (buying unnecessary bling or swag), and general arrogant self-entitlement attitude toward life.

Conservatives will phrase it as things should be earned, not given out. All working tax-payers work a portion of their time supporting a segment of the population who refuses to earn their keep and just uses an easily abusable system as much as possible. It is necessary for businesses to be successful for the working class to even have jobs and have the opportunity to be successful. We got successful through discipline, hard-work and determination, and that's what they expect from everyone else.

Liberals will phrase it as, everyone should be on an even playing field, and the entire system in America is set up to favor people who are already born privileged. It would be non-compassionate to not give people the resources they need so they have a chance to make it out of poverty, people aren't lazy they just don't have the opportunity. It is not irrational to take a little more money from someone who is making x-number of millions of dollars to give to the lower class, so they can atleast keep their heads above water.

I do believe a portion of democratic voters do fall into the category of users, but that does not apply to liberals in their totality. I think democrats are basically pre-conventional (the users type) and post-conventional ("progressive" thinkers) and since both are non-conventional (typical republican conservatives) they are easily confused and find themselves on the same side of political issues.
 
2014-06-21 09:55:36 PM  

Kittypie070: Republicans are outraged today after Sen. Ted Cruz withdrew his support for his own plan to shutdown the government unless Obamacare is defunded.

OK, so this is just one guy outta the whole lot of 'em. Remember, it's just one example.

It just doesn't seem all that "responsible" for some guy to gin up something really honking big, spend a whoooooooole buttload of consecutive hours filibustering FOR it, and then turn right around and completely deny that he had anything whatever to do with the very thing he himself spent an entire summer ginning up, a ...



Ted Cruz is a joke and just really farking weird. Doesn't he come off a bit squirrely fruit loops? And many republicans want this guy to run for president, I don't see it. He is out of touch with America (and reality). Anyways, by filibustering, the GOP has more of an edge of "I-told-you-so" about the predictably unpopular Obamacare (many actually thought they wouldn't have to pay for it). The President did have a chance to hear the conservatives out, but stubbornly passed...(they most likely would have demanded unacceptable changes but this is politics, the political partisanship game of sports at work. So many people are caught up on either side, and can't tell that the football both sides are fighting for hasn't moved very much at all.)

But yes, Ted Cruz was undeniably more responsible for the government shutdown than any other human on the planet. The least amount of fault I would ever give would be 51% Cruz and 49% Obama.
 
2014-06-21 10:22:57 PM  

Tetrazphere: dickfreckle: Tetrazphere: Basically some common attributes of the right are personal responsibility, self-determination, discipline, achievement drive etc.. which the left tends to lack.

These sound more like traits that the right has assigned to themselves more than any demonstrable reality. Or, at the very least, that the left, as a general rule, also shares these values. Self-style righties do not own the market on, say, having a job and wanting to own a business.

I'm sorry to cherry-pick your post, but that particular remark/sentiment always pisses me off. It tacitly suggests that to be a liberal in America, you're dependent on the government for everything.


Well it also is about the policies themselves. Liberals tend to emphasize exterior causes for someone's suffering "bigoted traditional conservatives" or "greedy wall-street conservatives" or just having a society where the marginalized fall through the cracks, it's not their fault.

Conservatives tend to emphasize interior causes...like the aforementioned personal responsibility, work ethic, undisciplined spending and non-saving (buying unnecessary bling or swag), and general arrogant self-entitlement attitude toward life.

Conservatives will phrase it as things should be earned, not given out. All working tax-payers work a portion of their time supporting a segment of the population who refuses to earn their keep and just uses an easily abusable system as much as possible. It is necessary for businesses to be successful for the working class to even have jobs and have the opportunity to be successful. We got successful through discipline, hard-work and determination, and that's what they expect from everyone else.

Liberals will phrase it as, everyone should be on an even playing field, and the entire system in America is set up to favor people who are already born privileged. It would be non-compassionate to not give people the resources they need so they have a chance to make it out of poverty, people ...


A fallacy I hear is people say that the Democrat Party is the party of the lazy and welfare addicts
 
2014-06-22 12:26:52 AM  

Tetrazphere: Kittypie070: Republicans are outraged today after Sen. Ted Cruz withdrew his support for his own plan to shutdown the government unless Obamacare is defunded.

OK, so this is just one guy outta the whole lot of 'em. Remember, it's just one example.

It just doesn't seem all that "responsible" for some guy to gin up something really honking big, spend a whoooooooole buttload of consecutive hours filibustering FOR it, and then turn right around and completely deny that he had anything whatever to do with the very thing he himself spent an entire summer ginning up, a ...


Ted Cruz is a joke and just really farking weird. Doesn't he come off a bit squirrely fruit loops? And many republicans want this guy to run for president, I don't see it. He is out of touch with America (and reality). Anyways, by filibustering, the GOP has more of an edge of "I-told-you-so" about the predictably unpopular Obamacare (many actually thought they wouldn't have to pay for it). The President did have a chance to hear the conservatives out, but stubbornly passed...(they most likely would have demanded unacceptable changes but this is politics, the political partisanship game of sports at work. So many people are caught up on either side, and can't tell that the football both sides are fighting for hasn't moved very much at all.)

But yes, Ted Cruz was undeniably more responsible for the government shutdown than any other human on the planet. The least amount of fault I would ever give would be 51% Cruz and 49% Obama.


Giving Boehner 98% of what he wanted totally makes Obama 49% responsible. Republican math at work.
 
2014-06-22 12:40:41 AM  

Tetrazphere: Well it also is about the policies themselves. Liberals tend to emphasize exterior causes for someone's suffering "bigoted traditional conservatives" or "greedy wall-street conservatives" or just having a society where the marginalized fall through the cracks, it's not their fault.

Conservatives tend to emphasize interior causes...like the aforementioned personal responsibility, work ethic, undisciplined spending and non-saving (buying unnecessary bling or swag), and general arrogant self-entitlement attitude toward life


Oh that is such oversimplified horseshiat.
 
2014-06-22 01:10:34 AM  

Fart_Machine: Giving Boehner 98% of what he wanted totally makes Obama 49% responsible. Republican math at work.


Boehner said that in reference to his meeting with Obama prior to the Super Committee meeting in Aug 2011, not about any hammered out finalized details concerning the debt ceiling. The Super Committee itself failed to come to an agreement in Nov 2012. Afterwords, Obama decided to move ahead without coming to terms with any Republican discourse....The Republicans asked for another Select Committee before the shutdown and Obama refused, it was his way or the government shutdown, not even an informal meeting.

The way you stated it (or believe it) implies that republicans got 98% of what they were asking for concerning the debt ceiling, which is inherently false.
 
2014-06-22 01:11:52 AM  

Mugato: Tetrazphere: Well it also is about the policies themselves. Liberals tend to emphasize exterior causes for someone's suffering "bigoted traditional conservatives" or "greedy wall-street conservatives" or just having a society where the marginalized fall through the cracks, it's not their fault.

Conservatives tend to emphasize interior causes...like the aforementioned personal responsibility, work ethic, undisciplined spending and non-saving (buying unnecessary bling or swag), and general arrogant self-entitlement attitude toward life

Oh that is such oversimplified horseshiat.


Of course it's oversimplified!
 
2014-06-22 05:49:06 AM  

dickfreckle: quatchi: In Cain's final speech before he quit his campaign he actually quoted lyrics from the Donna Summer song "The Power of One" from the Pokemon movie.

Hmmm. I would have much preferred "Love to Love You Baby." Especially the groaning sounds.


That song *is* a classic. Good call.

/Dang, Now I hafta go que up Digital Underground's Freaks of the Industry
 
2014-06-22 10:01:13 AM  

Tetrazphere: Fart_Machine: Giving Boehner 98% of what he wanted totally makes Obama 49% responsible. Republican math at work.

Boehner said that in reference to his meeting with Obama prior to the Super Committee meeting in Aug 2011, not about any hammered out finalized details concerning the debt ceiling. The Super Committee itself failed to come to an agreement in Nov 2012. Afterwords, Obama decided to move ahead without coming to terms with any Republican discourse....The Republicans asked for another Select Committee before the shutdown and Obama refused, it was his way or the government shutdown, not even an informal meeting.

The way you stated it (or believe it) implies that republicans got 98% of what they were asking for concerning the debt ceiling, which is inherently false.


If your opponent decides to shift the goalposts after you make the agreement then it wasn't made in good faith and it shouldn't be agreed upon. The GOP wanted a shutdown and that's what they got. Then they tried to shift the blame when public opinion turned against them.
 
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