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(ABC)   "What are you in solitary for?" "I murdered two people. You?" "I'm the State Secretary for Corrections and wanted to check out the accommodations"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 59
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2014-06-20 05:30:57 PM
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2014-06-20 06:18:12 PM

haemaker:


Ok. We can shut this one down...
 
2014-06-20 07:02:55 PM
I don't know, 48 hours in a room with a bed and some books with no one talking to me sounds pretty good.

He probably did it to get away from his family.
 
2014-06-20 08:20:42 PM
Question.  Who is this person in solitary talking to?
 
2014-06-20 08:21:44 PM

Calmamity: I don't know, 48 hours in a room with a bed and some books with no one talking to me sounds pretty good.

He probably did it to get away from his family.


The murderer? Probably
 
2014-06-20 08:23:30 PM
The headline makes no sense. If you're in solitary, how can you be having a conversation with another inmate?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-06-20 08:25:59 PM
The article says inmates can talk to each other. Solitary means no sex, not no communication.
 
2014-06-20 08:27:46 PM
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2014-06-20 08:31:32 PM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-20 08:31:36 PM
Caged Heat.
 
2014-06-20 08:31:41 PM

baconbeard: The headline makes no sense. If you're in solitary, how can you be having a conversation with another inmate?


My thoughts as well.


ZAZ: The article says inmates can talk to each other. Solitary means no sex, not no communication.


Uh...

Solitary confinement is a form of imprisonment in which a prisoner is isolated from any human contact
 
2014-06-20 08:32:18 PM
He gonna get shived.
 
2014-06-20 08:36:50 PM
"[Even] 24 hours in a maximum security prison is still a lot of time," she continued. "The next 48 hours will really just be about waiting and praying."

This is what the public affairs director is saying?  What the heck does that say about the place.  We house people there for their entire lifetimes and ideally keep them safe without holding our breath and praying the entire time.
 
2014-06-20 08:37:22 PM

fusillade762: baconbeard: The headline makes no sense. If you're in solitary, how can you be having a conversation with another inmate?

My thoughts as well.


ZAZ: The article says inmates can talk to each other. Solitary means no sex, not no communication.

Uh...

Solitary confinement is a form of imprisonment in which a prisoner is isolated from any human contact


Well, there's a vast difference between levels of solitary confinement, between completely isolated cells at ADX Florence vs. single-occupancy cells vs. somewhere in between where you can still yell through the vents or plumbing or fish kites.
 
2014-06-20 08:42:19 PM
He said most of the inmates who are placed in solitary confinement will end up back on the streets, transformed into super criminals.

The prisons need to press B to stop evolution. Presto, no more super criminals.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-06-20 08:43:36 PM

Quoting the article:

Very quickly, the inmates started to buzz about the latest arrival, yelling "hey, new guy" and "Cell 6, who the [expletive] are you?" Correction officers told the inmates that Prisoner 106 was speech and hearing impaired because the secretary worried that if the inmates hear his distinctive voice, his cover will be blown and his security compromised.
 
2014-06-20 08:44:50 PM
FTFA:  This is where our predators, our monsters, are dangerous inmates are housed


She needs to enunciate more.
 
2014-06-20 08:53:34 PM

ZAZ: Quoting the article:Very quickly, the inmates started to buzz about the latest arrival, yelling "hey, new guy" and "Cell 6, who the [expletive] are you?" Correction officers told the inmates that Prisoner 106 was speech and hearing impaired because the secretary worried that if the inmates hear his distinctive voice, his cover will be blown and his security compromised.


Just how the hell is security compromised in solitary confinement? For one thing if he only spent 48 hours in there, good luck - because most prisoners on Lockup Raw spend 5-7 days, wonder what PR stunt he's trying to pull just going 48 hours. Its good he learned something from it.
 
2014-06-20 08:53:39 PM
...so he said he spent his time reading, masturbating, exercise, masturbating, sleeping, masturbating, ...
 
2014-06-20 08:53:57 PM
48 hours no cell phones just books and rest sounds wonderful, unfortunately prisons are some of the noisiest places you ever go.
 
2014-06-20 08:58:32 PM
Only 48 hours? And the other guards knew? Meh. That's like doing the Alcatraz Night Tour.
 
2014-06-20 09:10:04 PM
...and the man with the really large hands in admissions giving me the cavity search made me feel right at home!
 
2014-06-20 09:18:41 PM
we might try having a look at Norwegian Prisons.  Just pick up the phone and call 'em to find out how it is that they're closing prisons.
 
2014-06-20 09:18:45 PM

logic523: Question.  Who is this person in solitary talking to?


That's the twist.

"Okay, Muggs. We just got word from the Governor... no reprieve. Time to go."
PRISONER: "Damn. Well, Mr. Secretary, my time's up. Just remember what I told you. It's too late for me, but maybe it's not too late for the next guy who gets sent to this rock."
"Muggs, who are you talking to?"
"The State Secretary of Corrections! He's right... he's... where did he go?"

and then there's a flashback of all the things that happened in the last hour, except it's only the condemned prisoner talking to himself.
 
2014-06-20 09:28:21 PM
When Prisoner 106 arrived at the maximum security facility of Level Six in the New Mexico State Penitentiary in Santa Fe

I am not a number.  I am a free man!

lol

/You're are number 106
//Who is number 2?
///definitely not obscure
 
2014-06-20 09:29:08 PM

Marcintosh: we might try having a look at Norwegian Prisons.  Just pick up the phone and call 'em to find out how it is that they're closing prisons.


They play Bob Ross 24/7.  Nobody is coming out of any prison a hardened criminal if they've watched Bob Ross all day for the last five years.

/happy little trees, so soothing
 
2014-06-20 09:41:27 PM

Marcintosh: we might try having a look at Norwegian Prisons.  Just pick up the phone and call 'em to find out how it is that they're closing prisons.


Taking examples from foreign countries is communist terrorism.
 
2014-06-20 09:52:02 PM

BigLuca: Marcintosh: we might try having a look at Norwegian Prisons.  Just pick up the phone and call 'em to find out how it is that they're closing prisons.

They play Bob Ross 24/7.  Nobody is coming out of any prison a hardened criminal if they've watched Bob Ross all day for the last five years.

/happy little trees, so soothing


Actually this probably would work. year 1, just watch, year 2, get paint and brushes, year 3, canvas, year 4, the tools to make canvases, year 5, ??? year 6 profit.
 
2014-06-20 09:55:12 PM

seanpg71: "[Even] 24 hours in a maximum security prison is still a lot of time," she continued. "The next 48 hours will really just be about waiting and praying."

This is what the public affairs director is saying?  What the heck does that say about the place.  We house people there for their entire lifetimes and ideally keep them safe without holding our breath and praying the entire time.


As a NM resident this was my exact thought. WTH? If she's praying what on earth is everyone else doing??!!!
 
2014-06-20 10:01:20 PM

ZombieBear: BigLuca: Marcintosh: we might try having a look at Norwegian Prisons.  Just pick up the phone and call 'em to find out how it is that they're closing prisons.

They play Bob Ross 24/7.  Nobody is coming out of any prison a hardened criminal if they've watched Bob Ross all day for the last five years.

/happy little trees, so soothing

Actually this probably would work. year 1, just watch, year 2, get paint and brushes, year 3, canvas, year 4, the tools to make canvases, year 5, ??? year 6 profit.


So THAT's where the Struggling Artists Paintings sales come from.
 
2014-06-20 10:11:01 PM
Undercover Warden?
 
2014-06-20 10:19:59 PM
So did they check his arse?
 
2014-06-20 10:20:39 PM
I was in jail--not prison-- for 5 days with no one in my cell. No books. No blankets. No mattress. No time out of the cell. No excersice. Nothing. Just walls. And they kept the lights on 34 hours. This was for an easy 7. days. It was only 7 days.
I can't imagine what these dudes go through and whatnot does to their brains. I was crazy at the end of a week.

I don't know what can be done, but this is not the right way.
 
2014-06-20 10:21:31 PM
(5days in cell, 2 days in The Tank because I was sick with the flu when I went in)
 
2014-06-20 10:35:34 PM

baconbeard: The headline makes no sense. If you're in solitary, how can you be having a conversation with another inmate?


One is the lonliest number, but two can be as bad as one.
 
2014-06-20 10:44:17 PM
would of been funny for everybody to of conspired against this dude and "forget" he was in there.
 
2014-06-20 10:52:00 PM
Everyone knew well ahead of time except the prisoners who everyone made special accommodations to make sure never found out?  He could have just cleaned out a closet in his house and done the same thing without all the trouble.

1. Caging people has serious effects on the mind.
2. Caging people in solitary has an even more serious effects on the mind.
3. The effect of caging people on the mind is torturous.

The real question is do we care that these people are being tortured?  Given even our recent past it's hard not to think the answer is no.
 
2014-06-20 10:53:59 PM

megarian: I was in jail--not prison--
I don't know what can be done, but this is not the right way.


I agree.  What we need to do, is do a complete overhaul of the justice system.  Review each and every law.  If two laws are similar, get rid of one of them.

The crime we need to imprison is that which harms others.   Actual harm.   Legalize all drugs, it is of no concern of the state as to what one puts in ones own body.  The drug laws assume the state owns you.   Let go of all the non violent criminals.   Who cares if I visit a prostitute ?  After all, isnt that capitalism at its finest ?  A deal between basically 2 consenting adults ?  The State has no business their either.   Hell, throw half of congress in prison, they always lie.  How about the Director of NSA ?  He lied in front of congress and was caught ?   Basically, it says, if you are of power, you can commit no c rime.   If you are poor, good luck .

We live in a police state.  Plain and simple.  The old get tough on crime sure isnt working.  If it did, half of Wall Street would be in prison, they did harm to people and the nation.
 
2014-06-20 11:24:53 PM
Only bad, guilty people go to prison.

Make it hell, what do I care?

www.wm3.org

/just saw Devil's Knot, fresh in my mind, I'm sure that fark is full of examples

//get those incarceration rates up boys, Rwanda and Russia are catching up, our number one position is in jeopardy
 
2014-06-20 11:50:16 PM

megarian: I was in jail--not prison-- for 5 days with no one in my cell. No books. No blankets. No mattress. No time out of the cell. No excersice. Nothing.


You ever heard of push-ups, sit-ups, jumping jacks, jogging in place?  I'm sorry it wasn't a day at the spa, cupcake, but you only had "Nothing" if we are counting your creativity and intelligence on the tally sheet.

/didn't really mean to come off harsh
//no jail-beotches allowed
///grow another skin, and then eat it
////i keed
 
2014-06-21 12:23:51 AM

UseLessHuman: Everyone knew well ahead of time except the prisoners who everyone made special accommodations to make sure never found out?  He could have just cleaned out a closet in his house and done the same thing without all the trouble.

1. Caging people has serious effects on the mind.
2. Caging people in solitary has an even more serious effects on the mind.
3. The effect of caging people on the mind is torturous.

The real question is do we care that these people are being tortured?  Given even our recent past it's hard not to think the answer is no.


If you watch Lockup Raw on MSNBC, there are quite a number of animals that deserve to be locked up. Problem is you can't rehabilitate someone when he's thrown in an environment that is nothing but chaos and violence. You don't go to prison and just serve out your sentence, you either are in solitary confinement or you are on the yard. Second you set foot on the yard you are joining some sort of gang, whites vs blacks vs hispanics and everyone is prone to violence.

2-3 years? or 10-15 years? How many does it take to re-wire someone to the point there is no helping them? Honestly if its a kiddy diddler, the biatch deserves to sit in a cage locked down 23 hours a day. I'd honestly rather just castrate and let them back in society but this is apparently "inhumane" when the person took advantage of someone who couldn't defend themselves. I honestly don't care for jail/prison - from what I have seen is it doesn't curb violence/crime.
 
TWX
2014-06-21 01:11:15 AM

Misconduc: Problem is you can't rehabilitate someone when he's thrown in an environment that is nothing but chaos and violence. You don't go to prison and just serve out your sentence, you either are in solitary confinement or you are on the yard. Second you set foot on the yard you are joining some sort of gang, whites vs blacks vs hispanics and everyone is prone to violence.

2-3 years? or 10-15 years? How many does it take to re-wire someone to the point there is no helping them?


I think that prisons need to be placed on standards that are measured on a two-dimensional plane, not a one-dimensional line. RIght now there are minimum-security prisons, medium-security prisons, and maximum security prisons in State (as opposed to Federal) systems. They need to diversify at least the medium and max categories to have prisons that hold those that can't be rehabilitated separately from those that can be rehabilitated, and to possibly add a third category for the max, for those that form violent gangs, that are then held with less contact with other inmates. There certainly are inmates in these higher security prisons that would probably try to escape (and aren't a good fit for minimum-security facilities) but aren't likely to be violent while incarcerated if they're not forced to be. If those inmates are kept away from the particularly violent ones like the gangs, they probably would do better once released.

But this is expensive, as now each inmate has to be treated individually.

It's a real shame that prison gang problems were ever allowed to develop in the first place.
 
2014-06-21 01:22:21 AM

Misconduc: UseLessHuman: Everyone knew well ahead of time except the prisoners who everyone made special accommodations to make sure never found out?  He could have just cleaned out a closet in his house and done the same thing without all the trouble.

1. Caging people has serious effects on the mind.
2. Caging people in solitary has an even more serious effects on the mind.
3. The effect of caging people on the mind is torturous.

The real question is do we care that these people are being tortured?  Given even our recent past it's hard not to think the answer is no.

If you watch Lockup Raw on MSNBC, there are quite a number of animals that deserve to be locked up. Problem is you can't rehabilitate someone when he's thrown in an environment that is nothing but chaos and violence. You don't go to prison and just serve out your sentence, you either are in solitary confinement or you are on the yard. Second you set foot on the yard you are joining some sort of gang, whites vs blacks vs hispanics and everyone is prone to violence.

2-3 years? or 10-15 years? How many does it take to re-wire someone to the point there is no helping them? Honestly if its a kiddy diddler, the biatch deserves to sit in a cage locked down 23 hours a day. I'd honestly rather just castrate and let them back in society but this is apparently "inhumane" when the person took advantage of someone who couldn't defend themselves. I honestly don't care for jail/prison - from what I have seen is it doesn't curb violence/crime.


I'd be scared shiatless if I were facing time in prison.  I know TV and movies are not reality, but it's enough to make me scared.  Hopefully I'd get sent to one of the nice prisons.   Tommy Chong spoke about his time in prison and it didn't sound too bad - except for the whole bit about being locked up.

I think I'd actually want solitary confinement - anything to get me away from the other criminals.  I would probably read a lot of books.
 
2014-06-21 02:56:52 AM

trappedspirit: megarian: I was in jail--not prison-- for 5 days with no one in my cell. No books. No blankets. No mattress. No time out of the cell. No excersice. Nothing.

You ever heard of push-ups, sit-ups, jumping jacks, jogging in place?  I'm sorry it wasn't a day at the spa, cupcake, but you only had "Nothing" if we are counting your creativity and intelligence on the tally sheet.

/didn't really mean to come off harsh
//no jail-beotches allowed
///grow another skin, and then eat it
////i keed


Oftentimes "I keed" is legit. But sometimes it's the equivalent of "No offense intended, but--."

Guess which yours comes off as?
 
2014-06-21 02:58:05 AM

megarian: I was in jail--not prison-- for 5 days with no one in my cell. No books. No blankets. No mattress. No time out of the cell. No excersice. Nothing. Just walls. And they kept the lights on 34 hours. This was for an easy 7. days. It was only 7 days.
I can't imagine what these dudes go through and whatnot does to their brains. I was crazy at the end of a week.

I don't know what can be done, but this is not the right way.


You are on my short list of Very Interesting Farkers I wish I could have a few beers with.
 
2014-06-21 03:21:04 AM
No one goes to jail unless they want to, Karen!
 
2014-06-21 05:27:53 AM
I just got out of jail in March, so I'm really getting a kick out of these comments.
 
2014-06-21 05:35:51 AM

trappedspirit: megarian: I was in jail--not prison-- for 5 days with no one in my cell. No books. No blankets. No mattress. No time out of the cell. No excersice. Nothing.

You ever heard of push-ups, sit-ups, jumping jacks, jogging in place?  I'm sorry it wasn't a day at the spa, cupcake, but you only had "Nothing" if we are counting your creativity and intelligence on the tally sheet.

/didn't really mean to come off harsh
//no jail-beotches allowed
///grow another skin, and then eat it
////i keed


With concrete to sleep on and fluorescent lighting flickering in your eyes non stop I would bey you'd be left without sleep. Try to be productive your third day in on two hours of sleep while trying not to focus on every shiatty part of your day to day life.
 
2014-06-21 06:27:59 AM
Cool. Now do it for at least a month, and potentially indefinitely. And make absolutely sure nobody knows who you are.
 
2014-06-21 07:33:27 AM
Did every last one of you miss the fact that they are in solitary 23 hours a day? As in, they have an hour when get to all be together?
 
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