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(Info Wars)   New Android phones will have a kill switch installed so in case your phone gets stolen it can be deactivated...or the government can turn off phones en masse at will   (infowars.com) divider line 60
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2014-06-20 11:52:16 AM  
Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?
 
2014-06-20 11:53:46 AM  

IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?


I'm sure the government told them to build that in, too.
 
2014-06-20 11:57:39 AM  
Way ahead of you.

i.walmartimages.com
 
2014-06-20 11:59:22 AM  
Cell phones could be remotely disabled from day one.  All officials have to do is cut power to the cell towers, and our smartphones will turn into dumb bricks.
 
2014-06-20 12:11:50 PM  
subby: in case your phone get's stolen

Stop. Just stop.
 
2014-06-20 12:22:29 PM  
Since the police have mobile STINGRAY units already, it is plausible in the future for them to have some sort of way of turning off device features on a phone, such as the camera.  I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of auto-kill switch for phones installed in cop cars, so when they pull you over it turns off your cell phone.  This, naturally, would be for the officer's "safety."

There's been talk of having "no phone zones" where user's smartphone's cameras would be disabled, like when entering a stadium, or movie theater.  But the interesting question would how would they be able to determine who gets the authority to gain control over at least part of someone else's phone is the big question?

The other question is who would be the "they" in the previous question?  The government?  The corporations?

But I think the big problem with that is that any sort of "kill" switch signal will be instantly haxored and exploited by every 12 year old phreaker script kiddie as has every form of computer security ever invented.
 
2014-06-20 01:19:50 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phones could be remotely disabled from day one.  All officials have to do is cut power to the cell towers, and our smartphones will turn into dumb bricks.


The problem is, that doesn't let the officials use *THEIR* mobile phones.  That's cutting off your head to spite your face.

Now, if you have a "whitelist" of approved phones, you could send the kill signal to every other phone in the system, and brick them all within a reasonably short time if you needed to.
 
2014-06-20 01:21:40 PM  
I hate that some farking lawyer in another farking country can dictate how my phone works here.
 
2014-06-20 01:44:31 PM  

dittybopper: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phones could be remotely disabled from day one.  All officials have to do is cut power to the cell towers, and our smartphones will turn into dumb bricks.

The problem is, that doesn't let the officials use *THEIR* mobile phones.  That's cutting off your head to spite your face.

Now, if you have a "whitelist" of approved phones, you could send the kill signal to every other phone in the system, and brick them all within a reasonably short time if you needed to.


Fair point, though that assumes that the officials phones work on the same frequencies as yours or mine.  ;)

/point is well taken though
 
2014-06-20 02:12:17 PM  

IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?


Done in one
 
2014-06-20 02:21:31 PM  
img3.wikia.nocookie.net

"Nuuuuhg ugggghh!"
 
2014-06-20 02:21:51 PM  

IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?


The Android Device Manager lets you wipe the device or lock it. It doesn't kill the device (i.e. render it completely unusable).
 
2014-06-20 02:22:45 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phones could be remotely disabled from day one.  All officials have to do is cut power to the cell towers, and our smartphones will turn into dumb bricks.


There is a difference between disabling phone calling ability and completely killing the phones ability to function entirely.
 
2014-06-20 02:22:54 PM  

IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?


I bought an app for it, cover 5 devices for $4, and it's worth every penny. It can be hidden from the application drawer, I can track the phone, I can remotely turn GPS on if someone disabled it so that I can get a ping, I can of course wipe it, I can set it to take pics in all kinds of situations, track calls and texts, pull up its GPS history instead of live tracking if I want.

But by far, the best feature is being able to set off an alarm, regardless of if the phone is on silent or not(As long as it has juice in the battery, of course), which is much better for tracking it down than calling it is if its on vibrate. It's far more featured than anything built into the OS, but it IS nice that Android OS has it natively as well.
 
2014-06-20 02:27:06 PM  
It seems to me though that all it would take is someone to make a phone without a kill switch. No one is forcing anyone to buy an Apple or Google phone. Of course, I suppose Congress could pass a law outlaw such phones be we are not there yet.
 
2014-06-20 02:28:20 PM  
We have a national registry that prevents phones that are reported stolen from activating on the carrier networks.  Being Os independant it's perhaps a better solution.
 
2014-06-20 02:31:03 PM  
Because they couldn't just have the telco shut it off right?
 
2014-06-20 02:31:29 PM  
I just want a kill switch installed in Alex Jones.
 
2014-06-20 02:31:34 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-20 02:32:48 PM  

TwistedIvory: subby: in case your phone get's stolen

Stop. Just stop.


Don't you know? An apostrophe mean's "here come's an S".

Sincerely,
Jame's
 
2014-06-20 02:36:31 PM  
Interesting tag for an Infowars link? The only thing "interesting" about Infowars is the snot-gurgling retards who think there's anything credible on the site. And they're only interesting in the same sense that Smith's Recognizable Patterns in Human Malformation is interesting.
 
2014-06-20 02:37:14 PM  

Dragonflew: TwistedIvory: subby: in case your phone get's stolen

Stop. Just stop.

Don't you know? An apostrophe mean's "here come's an S".

Sincerely,
Jame's


I literally LOL'ed
 
2014-06-20 02:45:52 PM  

Dragonflew: TwistedIvory: subby: in case your phone get's stolen

Stop. Just stop.

Don't you know? An apostrophe mean's "here come's an S".

'Sincerely,
Jame's


pet peeve
 
2014-06-20 02:48:40 PM  

IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?


Sorry, you meant like Apple's find my iPhone and ios do.
 
2014-06-20 02:50:01 PM  
Ironic that this is below the paranoid/schizophrenic post?
 
2014-06-20 02:50:42 PM  
Oh, Infowars, never mind then.
 
2014-06-20 03:14:45 PM  
When my phone was stolen years ago I got in touch with an HTC rep about remotely disabling it, he said it wasn't possible, so I asked him to suggest they build in a remote detonation option, so that I could kill future thieves. He wasn't having any of it. I suppose it's just as well, the government would only kill us all, right Alex?
 
2014-06-20 03:19:37 PM  

MrPleasant: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phones could be remotely disabled from day one.  All officials have to do is cut power to the cell towers, and our smartphones will turn into dumb bricks.

There is a difference between disabling phone calling ability and completely killing the phones ability to function entirely.


Oh noes! Someone stole my phone and now they are using it to, play Angry Birds! :)

Mikey1969: IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?

I bought an app for it, cover 5 devices for $4, and it's worth every penny. It can be hidden from the application drawer, I can track the phone, I can remotely turn GPS on if someone disabled it so that I can get a ping, I can of course wipe it, I can set it to take pics in all kinds of situations, track calls and texts, pull up its GPS history instead of live tracking if I want.

But by far, the best feature is being able to set off an alarm, regardless of if the phone is on silent or not(As long as it has juice in the battery, of course), which is much better for tracking it down than calling it is if its on vibrate. It's far more featured than anything built into the OS, but it IS nice that Android OS has it natively as well.


Which one? I've got Lookout (free) which seems nice.

Herr Flick's Revenge: IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?

Sorry, you meant like Apple's find my iPhone and ios do.


Yes. Exactly. Like when I say, "I kicked a ball earlier" what I really mean is "Switzerland left Midfielder Valentin Stocker kicked a ball earlier".

/you're an ijjit
 
2014-06-20 03:22:15 PM  
While, yeah Infowars, between the kill switch or sleep switch and NSA, I am getting very paranoid about my phone.  Once my kid gets to 19, I'm going to be getting rid of it phone. I don't need an always on tracking device that I have no control over.

I'd like to see a full Linux based wifi phone, fully encrypted filesystem with plausible deniability (or Honeypot Encryption) , that takes and stores pictures, is able to be configured with Tor, has little to no GPS, and can play music.

That sounds about perfect. But the only way that's going to work is if someone Kickstarts that.
 
2014-06-20 03:25:03 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: MrPleasant: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phones could be remotely disabled from day one.  All officials have to do is cut power to the cell towers, and our smartphones will turn into dumb bricks.

There is a difference between disabling phone calling ability and completely killing the phones ability to function entirely.

Oh noes! Someone stole my phone and now they are using it to, play Angry Birds! :)

Mikey1969: IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?

I bought an app for it, cover 5 devices for $4, and it's worth every penny. It can be hidden from the application drawer, I can track the phone, I can remotely turn GPS on if someone disabled it so that I can get a ping, I can of course wipe it, I can set it to take pics in all kinds of situations, track calls and texts, pull up its GPS history instead of live tracking if I want.

But by far, the best feature is being able to set off an alarm, regardless of if the phone is on silent or not(As long as it has juice in the battery, of course), which is much better for tracking it down than calling it is if its on vibrate. It's far more featured than anything built into the OS, but it IS nice that Android OS has it natively as well.

Which one? I've got Lookout (free) which seems nice.


Cerberus, I think I had Lookout at one point, but I really like Cerberus a lot.

If for nothing else, it's fun to randomly harass the kids and my wife by setting off that alarm. :-)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lsdroid.cerberus
 
2014-06-20 03:35:43 PM  
It seems like a bad idea even in the absence of government conspiracies. It'd get rid of the market in stolen phones, at the price of you never being able to get the phone back (e.g. if it turned out to have been lost rather than stolen).

worlddan: It seems to me though that all it would take is someone to make a phone without a kill switch. No one is forcing anyone to buy an Apple or Google phone. Of course, I suppose Congress could pass a law outlaw such phones be we are not there yet.


The proposal is a bill in California's legislature, to require such a kill switch on all phones sold in California. Realistically, such a requirement would end up binding on the whole US (carriers & manufacturers could, I guess, make "California versions" of their phones - good luck with that).
 
2014-06-20 03:43:23 PM  
LOL, you guys. They wanted it to be mandatory and Google and Microsoft said no. They agreed to offering an option. You don't have to use it.
 
2014-06-20 03:53:58 PM  

Poot beer: Dragonflew: Twi'stedIvory: 'subby: in ca'se your phone get's 'stolen

'Stop. Just 'stop.

Don't you know? An apo'strophe mean's "here come's an S".

'Sincerely,
Jame's

pet peeve


Mi's'sed a few.
 
2014-06-20 04:08:56 PM  
Can you imagine if all mobile phones were turned off? How will young people communicate? This would actually force them to have a face to face conversation. I would pay to see that.
 
2014-06-20 04:19:12 PM  

bmr68: Can you imagine if all mobile phones were turned off? How will young people communicate? This would actually force them to have a face to face conversation. I would pay to see that.


I teach high schoolers. No, you do not wish to see them have face-to-face conversations. I barely get compensated enough for that chore.
 
2014-06-20 04:38:31 PM  

Dangl1ng: While, yeah Infowars, between the kill switch or sleep switch and NSA, I am getting very paranoid about my phone.  Once my kid gets to 19, I'm going to be getting rid of it phone. I don't need an always on tracking device that I have no control over.

I'd like to see a full Linux based wifi phone, fully encrypted filesystem with plausible deniability (or Honeypot Encryption) , that takes and stores pictures, is able to be configured with Tor, has little to no GPS, and can play music.

That sounds about perfect. But the only way that's going to work is if someone Kickstarts that.


Literally TENS of people would get in line for that.
 
2014-06-20 04:54:46 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Dragonflew: TwistedIvory: subby: in case your phone get's stolen

Stop. Just stop.

Don't you know? An apostrophe mean's "here come's an S".

Sincerely,
Jame's

I literally LOL'ed


So the apostrophe really does count !
As in White's Only Restaurant means some guy has only one restaurant, and is different from Whites Only Restaurant.
Got it.
 
2014-06-20 05:48:13 PM  
If you think this is paranoia, take a look at what happens overseas when the people get unruly.
 
2014-06-20 05:53:55 PM  
Well I have heard a certain god can and has done much worse.
 
2014-06-20 06:44:39 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: MrPleasant: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phones could be remotely disabled from day one.  All officials have to do is cut power to the cell towers, and our smartphones will turn into dumb bricks.

There is a difference between disabling phone calling ability and completely killing the phones ability to function entirely.

Oh noes! Someone stole my phone and now they are using it to, play Angry Birds! :)

Mikey1969: IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?

I bought an app for it, cover 5 devices for $4, and it's worth every penny. It can be hidden from the application drawer, I can track the phone, I can remotely turn GPS on if someone disabled it so that I can get a ping, I can of course wipe it, I can set it to take pics in all kinds of situations, track calls and texts, pull up its GPS history instead of live tracking if I want.

But by far, the best feature is being able to set off an alarm, regardless of if the phone is on silent or not(As long as it has juice in the battery, of course), which is much better for tracking it down than calling it is if its on vibrate. It's far more featured than anything built into the OS, but it IS nice that Android OS has it natively as well.

Which one? I've got Lookout (free) which seems nice.

Herr Flick's Revenge: IgG4: Oh you mean like Android device manager lets you do already?

Sorry, you meant like Apple's find my iPhone and ios do.

Yes. Exactly. Like when I say, "I kicked a ball earlier" what I really mean is "Switzerland left Midfielder Valentin Stocker kicked a ball earlier".

/you're an ijjit


Christ, what an asshole!
 
2014-06-20 07:01:45 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: It seems like a bad idea even in the absence of government conspiracies. It'd get rid of the market in stolen phones, at the price of you never being able to get the phone back (e.g. if it turned out to have been lost rather than stolen).

worlddan: It seems to me though that all it would take is someone to make a phone without a kill switch. No one is forcing anyone to buy an Apple or Google phone. Of course, I suppose Congress could pass a law outlaw such phones be we are not there yet.

The proposal is a bill in California's legislature, to require such a kill switch on all phones sold in California. Realistically, such a requirement would end up binding on the whole US (carriers & manufacturers could, I guess, make "California versions" of their phones - good luck with that).


As long as the device that gets kill switched actually shows that it was kill switched.  We need to make sure that people aren't being forced to pay for a new phone when a phone jockey at the phone company gets the task to kill switch the phone of Phil McKraken because it was stolen and then fat fingers in the ID for the device.  When Jane Doe Schmucky's phone just mysteriously stops working and she takes it in, she should get a new one free.  Not some excuse that "We don't know why it broked.  You pay. You pay nau."
 
2014-06-20 07:03:11 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: If you think this is paranoia, take a look at what happens overseas when the people get unruly.


Yeah they can kill all the phones via cell phone towers.  They don't need this.  There is no purpose in permanently disabling phones for a government.
 
2014-06-20 07:12:15 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Oh noes! Someone stole my phone and now they are using it to, play Angry Birds! :)


Maybe you don't understand that the point of this is to prevent theft. Once thieves learn they get zero benefit from a stolen phone, nor can they resell it, phone thefts will drop to low numbers.
 
2014-06-20 07:28:55 PM  

dittybopper: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cell phones could be remotely disabled from day one.  All officials have to do is cut power to the cell towers, and our smartphones will turn into dumb bricks.

The problem is, that doesn't let the officials use *THEIR* mobile phones.  That's cutting off your head to spite your face.

Now, if you have a "whitelist" of approved phones, you could send the kill signal to every other phone in the system, and brick them all within a reasonably short time if you needed to.


That's also been possible, if not from day one, then at least from day two or three.
 
2014-06-20 07:31:59 PM  
more like "Android phones install new hurdle for hackers to disable upon theft."  am i close?

/dnrtfa
//dont care
///just switched from Android
 
2014-06-20 08:12:37 PM  

bk3k: Smeggy Smurf: If you think this is paranoia, take a look at what happens overseas when the people get unruly.

Yeah they can kill all the phones via cell phone towers.  They don't need this.  There is no purpose in permanently disabling phones for a government.


That doesn't kill the other abilities of the phone though does it?  You could still take a picture, record video, play downloaded music, or transfer files from one drive to another.  You'd have to upload from a computer, or download items then upload them to your FaceSpace.  You don't change a smart phone's non-phone workings by turning off towers or enabling airplane mode.
 
2014-06-20 08:25:15 PM  

Mikey1969: Cerberus, I think I had Lookout at one point, but I really like Cerberus a lot.

If for nothing else, it's fun to randomly harass the kids and my wife by setting off that alarm. :-)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lsdroid.cerberus


I'll vote for Cerberus... I'm using it myself... It has a ton of options for doing whatever you need to get your phone out of a thief's hands.
 
2014-06-20 09:15:57 PM  
The Flexecutioner:

/dnrtfa
//dont care
///just switched from Android


Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

/ seriously, no one gives two shiats what kind of phone you use
 
2014-06-20 09:27:15 PM  

I want your 'skull: Poot beer: Dragonflew: Twi'stedIvory: 'subby: in ca'se your phone get's 'stolen

'Stop. Just 'stop.

Don't you know? An apo'strophe mean's "here come's an S".

'Sincerely,
Jame's

pet peeve

Mi's'sed a few.


'sure did
 
2014-06-20 09:49:51 PM  
Good Idea: having the ability to have your phone disabled if it gets lost or stolen.

Bad Idea: anyone else having the ability to have your phone disabled.
 
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