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(Network World)   I have a plan. You aim a laser at an airliner. I'll turn you in. We'll split the $10,000 reward. Deal?   (networkworld.com ) divider line
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2014-06-20 02:06:35 PM  
2 votes:

ByOwlLight: Carousel Beast: Last Man on Earth: Calmamity: Why isn't the reaction to this "Oh look, some asshole is pointing a laser at us. What a dick.What's for dinner?"

Because the reaction can easily include a plane crash, that's why.

Really? Can you cite that? I can't find any evidence of an accident of ANY kind attributed to a laser pointer.

Anecdotally, I've had kids shine laser pointers in my eyes while driving. I didn't even farking swerve.

So here's the first article to pop up when you actually search Google instead of sitting there acting like you did anything: http://www.bustle.com/articles/28822-guys-airplanes-laser-pointers-do n t-mix-so-can-we-stop-this-please

It explains why it is dangerous.  Oh, here's another one that shows you what it actually looks like for the pilot: http://www.pangolin.com/faa/laser-aircraft-animation-and-explanation. h tm

Also, we're not talking about the 2 dollar keychain laser pointers that Toys R Us sells here.  You really should understand that your life experiences don't equal the experiences of others that neatly, dude.


Three responses and not a one citing an accident of any kind. You know, like I asked for.

So this is SO DAMN DANGEROUS you can't do anythingore than link to "zomg catastrophe" articles. Really?

Is it bad? Absolutely - but this whole wave of crap is nothing more than regurgitated "you could put an eye out!" hysteria.
2014-06-20 01:42:49 PM  
2 votes:

Calmamity: Why isn't the reaction to this "Oh look, some asshole is pointing a laser at us. What a dick.What's for dinner?"


Umm excuse me?? There are CHILDREN on that plane!! Maybe UNBORN CHILDREN!! Think of them!!!
2014-06-20 12:27:40 PM  
2 votes:
It's so crazy it just might work! Let's do it! You'll be the guy that does the time, right?
2014-06-20 10:16:58 PM  
1 vote:

davynelson: How stupid to you have to be to actually get caught doing this?


It's not that hard for a pilot to trace a laser back to the source. Especially if they have been trained to do so (A lot of aircrew are ex-military).

This thread:

Pilots/Aircrew: This is why lasers are bad to point at aircraft.
"Learned" Scholars: It can't be that bad! Show me ONE crashed airplane! I mean, this is just another panic.
Pilots/Aircrew: Yeah, this is what can happen, and we're trying to prevent some asshole from crashing a plane.

old.onefte.com
2014-06-20 07:58:58 PM  
1 vote:
pilots should wear an eyepatch like a pirate so only one eye gets affected
2014-06-20 04:39:29 PM  
1 vote:

Tobin_Lam: If you think that pointing a laser at someone on the ground isn't a big deal, it is easy to find stories of people getting charged with assault and battery simply from lasting a police car. Lasers are a big deal. It is like saying knives aren't a big deal, I know what I'm talking about because the blade in my Swiss Army knife is only 1" long.


Wouldn't police laser gun sights painting peaceful, non-resisting people then be excessive force, if pointing a similarly powered laser at a police car is considered assault?
2014-06-20 04:16:23 PM  
1 vote:
Interestingly, all the articles linked to talk about airplanes landing or taking off around airports and/or helicopters.

Which makes sense since it would be exceedingly difficult (meaning impossible) to hit the cockpit window of a 747 when it is at 39k altitude. One of the articles that people are quoting here calls lasers "no distraction" and "indistinguishable from background lights beyond 11,712 ft".

I am all for coming down hard on people aiming lasers at planes/helicopters but let's be clear that this is only an issue around airports and helicopters flying over cities and residential areas.

I wonder if Farkers ever read the stuff they link to? Keep up the good derp and you get a price if you can hit the cockpit window of this at cruising altitude of 35k ft.

cdn-www.airliners.net
2014-06-20 03:36:37 PM  
1 vote:
Frankie MacDonald got a job as an airline pilot.  This is great news.  I've really been pulling for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVxp-RKMp88

i.huffpost.com
2014-06-20 03:06:28 PM  
1 vote:

WTFDYW: Why are people responding to an obvious troll, that is Carousel Beast?


Asking questions about the history and outcomes of incidents in order to evaluate the need and potential effectiveness of the program being discussed is trolling? You have an interesting definition.
2014-06-20 03:00:17 PM  
1 vote:
I wonder why we haven't started putting coatings on aircraft glass that block the most commonly used laser pointer frequencies. Lasers operate at a single frequency so it should be possible to put a narrow band filter into the glass and require laser pointers sold in civilized countries to operate at the regulated frequencies. It shouldnt affect incandescent hazard lights since those operate on a wider frequency band and would still be visible through the filter.
2014-06-20 02:29:24 PM  
1 vote:

bigdanc: Carousel Beast: Three responses and not a one citing an accident of any kind. You know, like I asked for.

So this is SO DAMN DANGEROUS you can't do anythingore than link to "zomg catastrophe" articles. Really?

Is it bad? Absolutely - but this whole wave of crap is nothing more than regurgitated "you could put an eye out!" hysteria.


I'm ATC.  This is a big deal.  We don't need a death toll to know it's extremely dangerous.  Most pilots fly by visual reference when they're low and if they can't see, they can't fly.  These laser attacks happen -by in large- during what we call critical phases of flight aka when an aircraft is low and slow and flying visually.  It wouldn't take much of a panic to cause a stall and crash.

The fact that we in the aviation industry are extremely well trained and prepared for just about any conceivable eventuality is probably the lion's share of the reason there haven't been any accidents.

But sure, you know better than me and the pilots in that video.


While your attempt at framing the debate is laudable, you addressed absolutely nothing I actually said in any of my posts.
2014-06-20 02:27:03 PM  
1 vote:
Why are people responding to an obvious troll, that is Carousel Beast?
2014-06-20 02:24:40 PM  
1 vote:

Carousel Beast: Three responses and not a one citing an accident of any kind. You know, like I asked for.

So this is SO DAMN DANGEROUS you can't do anythingore than link to "zomg catastrophe" articles. Really?

Is it bad? Absolutely - but this whole wave of crap is nothing more than regurgitated "you could put an eye out!" hysteria.



I'm ATC.  This is a big deal.  We don't need a death toll to know it's extremely dangerous.  Most pilots fly by visual reference when they're low and if they can't see, they can't fly.  These laser attacks happen -by in large- during what we call critical phases of flight aka when an aircraft is low and slow and flying visually.  It wouldn't take much of a panic to cause a stall and crash.

The fact that we in the aviation industry are extremely well trained and prepared for just about any conceivable eventuality is probably the lion's share of the reason there haven't been any accidents.

But sure, you know better than me and the pilots in that video.
2014-06-20 02:08:32 PM  
1 vote:

Khellendros: Carousel Beast: Really? Can you cite that? I can't find any evidence of an accident of ANY kind attributed to a laser pointer.

Anecdotally, I've had kids shine laser pointers in my eyes while driving. I didn't even farking swerve.

Have you even seen the result of a green laser pointer hitting a plane windshield?  Look up flash blindness, or start with http://www.pangolin.com/faa/laser-aircraft-animation-and-explanation. h tm.  It's not fun, and can crash planes.


I notice you use the term 'can crash planes'.  Is that like  Cigarettes can cause cancer, or homeopathy can be beneficial?
2014-06-20 02:06:12 PM  
1 vote:
www.tc.gc.ca

If you don't mind flying in the back of a jetliner while this is happening to the pilots, then you're braver or stupider than I.
2014-06-20 02:00:38 PM  
1 vote:

Calmamity: Why isn't the reaction to this "Oh look, some asshole is pointing a laser at us. What a dick.What's for dinner?"


Because, while it is unlikely to actually cause in accident, it is extremely distracting and blinding and poses a stupid, unnecessary risk. As a pilot I have never been lased myself but know others that have. You can search on youtube for videos of this happening and why it is so distracting. When the laser (already pretty wide at that distance) flashes across the windscreen (it doesn't have to be held there obviously) it makes the plexiglass light up just like when your dirty scratched car windshield faces into the setting sun. If you're flying at night your night vision is extremely important to maintain, and that flash can really mess you up for a minute or so.
2014-06-20 01:59:19 PM  
1 vote:
How many crashes have occurred?
2014-06-20 01:43:36 PM  
1 vote:

Calmamity: Why isn't the reaction to this "Oh look, some asshole is pointing a laser at us. What a dick.What's for dinner?"


Because the reaction can easily include a plane crash, that's why.
2014-06-20 01:35:39 PM  
1 vote:
Why isn't the reaction to this "Oh look, some asshole is pointing a laser at us. What a dick.What's for dinner?"
2014-06-20 01:34:44 PM  
1 vote:
Train sharks to do it. What're they going to do arrest freakin' sharks?
2014-06-20 12:34:17 PM  
1 vote:
I wonder how many of the reported incidents are intentional vs. how many people just carelessly pointing laser pointers around.  Or does it take something more than a laser pointer to travel that far?  Don't get me wrong, I know people do it intentionally and they are total assholes, but there could be a light pollution aspect to it as well.
 
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