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(Investors Business Daily)   If the Redskins logo is too offensive for the government, why did they ok "Dago Swagg," "Boobies Make Me Smile," and "PornHub"?   (news.investors.com) divider line 568
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2014-06-20 09:32:47 AM  
when do they revoke the trademarks for the Chiefs and Browns and Seahawks and Orangemen and Seminoles and Blackhawks and Braves and ... ?
 
2014-06-20 09:45:37 AM  
The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office didn't make the ruling in a vacuum. They were responding to a case brought to them by five Native Americans, led by Amanda Blackhorse.
 
2014-06-20 09:46:17 AM  
When do you racist pieces of shiat get it through your incredibly thick skulls that the term "redskin" is a racist term?

"Yeah, but...DAGO is a pejorative term against an ethnic group of people, so therefore..."

That has NOTHING TO DO with the word "redskin." You want the copyright office to deny copyrights for that word too? FINE. Go and file a lawsuit about it.
 
2014-06-20 09:46:29 AM  

SlothB77: when do they revoke the trademarks for the Chiefs and Browns and Seahawks and Orangemen and Seminoles and Blackhawks and Braves and ... ?


When any of those things become a racial slur.

Honestly, I'm worried about you.  You do understand the difference between calling a black person an African-american and calling them the N-word, right?
 
2014-06-20 09:47:35 AM  
Also, what does any of this have to do with investing?
 
2014-06-20 09:48:29 AM  

SlothB77: when do they revoke the trademarks for the Chiefs and Browns and Seahawks and Orangemen and Seminoles and Blackhawks and Braves and ... ?


Again, there is a difference between racist and exploitative. Go look it up.
 
2014-06-20 09:50:21 AM  

James!: Also, what does any of this have to do with investing?


They chose their website name to make it sound like they weren't a bunch of drooling monkeys. We figured it out.
 
2014-06-20 09:55:06 AM  

Lando Lincoln: James!: Also, what does any of this have to do with investing?

They chose their website name to make it sound like they weren't a bunch of drooling monkeys. We figured it out.


Maybe the take away is that if you're invested in a company with a racially offensive name they may lose market share when the trademark is dropped.

So according to Investors dot com racially offensive companies are a SELL.
 
2014-06-20 09:55:35 AM  
He makes a valid point
 
2014-06-20 09:58:29 AM  
Bobbies and Porn doesn't disparage anyone.

Also, the registration for "Dago Swagg?" Yeah, the "Dago" in that one referrs to Dago Vasconez, the owner of the mark.

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4810:ltx41o.2.1
 
2014-06-20 10:01:05 AM  
Yes, it's terrible when citizens bring up an issue looking for redress. I look forward to the Chicago Honkies, the San Francisco Gaijin, and the Mobile Crackers as proper team names, because I'm certain that these will not be considered offensive by anyone, and if they are, then those people are obviously just butthurt...

What's funny is that, that if you were to put forward the many slurs on Jews, folks the same folks who are all upset at their freedoms are hindered, would swoop in to show how incredibly sensitive they are. Because the Holocaust was horrible. The history of slavery, the Trail of Tears, the servitude of many of our Chinese citizens to the railroad, the Internment and others? Those happened to folks, and while they're sorry about it, why can't we just let bygones be byegones, right? Heck, the Zoot Suit riots and the Stonewall riots, those were just kerfuffles over folks being overly sensitive, right?

Maybe we should just leave the slurs out of branding? Just a thought...
 
2014-06-20 10:03:11 AM  

hubiestubert: Chicago Honkies


That is a perfect metal band name right there
 
2014-06-20 10:03:58 AM  

hubiestubert: Yes, it's terrible when citizens bring up an issue looking for redress. I look forward to the Chicago Honkies, the San Francisco Gaijin, and the Mobile Crackers as proper team names, because I'm certain that these will not be considered offensive by anyone, and if they are, then those people are obviously just butthurt...


Is Gaijin really similar? I mean, it just means "foreigner", though I know it can be used in a pejorative sense, the same way as "gringo." It's not really a  racial slur though, is it? Just a "not Japanese" term.
 
2014-06-20 10:05:07 AM  
I want to lead a group of Asians in suing to stop production of Cheese Nips.
 
2014-06-20 10:09:32 AM  

Rincewind53: hubiestubert: Yes, it's terrible when citizens bring up an issue looking for redress. I look forward to the Chicago Honkies, the San Francisco Gaijin, and the Mobile Crackers as proper team names, because I'm certain that these will not be considered offensive by anyone, and if they are, then those people are obviously just butthurt...

Is Gaijin really similar? I mean, it just means "foreigner", though I know it can be used in a pejorative sense, the same way as "gringo." It's not really a  racial slur though, is it? Just a "not Japanese" term.


Depends on how it's used. And who's using it. Sort of like pinche gringo...
 
2014-06-20 10:11:35 AM  

Rincewind53: hubiestubert: Yes, it's terrible when citizens bring up an issue looking for redress. I look forward to the Chicago Honkies, the San Francisco Gaijin, and the Mobile Crackers as proper team names, because I'm certain that these will not be considered offensive by anyone, and if they are, then those people are obviously just butthurt...

Is Gaijin really similar? I mean, it just means "foreigner", though I know it can be used in a pejorative sense, the same way as "gringo." It's not really a  racial slur though, is it? Just a "not Japanese" term.


Okay, okay, can we settle for gweilo, then?
 
2014-06-20 10:13:53 AM  
I'm going for the Senators, if it's still not copyrighted.  They have a lot in common, mainly sitting around and doing nothing.
 
2014-06-20 10:19:36 AM  

RexTalionis: Rincewind53: hubiestubert: Yes, it's terrible when citizens bring up an issue looking for redress. I look forward to the Chicago Honkies, the San Francisco Gaijin, and the Mobile Crackers as proper team names, because I'm certain that these will not be considered offensive by anyone, and if they are, then those people are obviously just butthurt...

Is Gaijin really similar? I mean, it just means "foreigner", though I know it can be used in a pejorative sense, the same way as "gringo." It's not really a  racial slur though, is it? Just a "not Japanese" term.

Okay, okay, can we settle for gweilo, then?


Isn't that pretty much the same though? You could use it against an Italian, a German, an Egyptian, an Ethiopian, an Inuit, an American, etc...
 
2014-06-20 10:21:42 AM  

Lando Lincoln: When do you racist pieces of shiat get it through your incredibly thick skulls that the term "redskin" is a racist term?


For those who don't know, redskins historically referred to Indian scalps, they would sometimes have a bounty paid for any and all of them.  So yeah, kinda easy to see how that would be offensive.

/though it could also refer to a particular tribe who used red face paint
 
2014-06-20 10:26:53 AM  

Rincewind53: Isn't that pretty much the same though? You could use it against an Italian, a German, an Egyptian, an Ethiopian, an Inuit, an American, etc...


No, because it basically means you're calling someone a devil. Gaijin just means outsider. Gweilo means "devil" with the connotation that the other person is a devil because they're a foreigner. The Chinese equivalent to Gaijin would be Laowai.
 
2014-06-20 10:26:55 AM  

hubiestubert: Mobile Crackers


Atlanta beat you to it decades ago:

www.negro.nlbm.com
 
2014-06-20 10:28:38 AM  

RexTalionis: Rincewind53: Isn't that pretty much the same though? You could use it against an Italian, a German, an Egyptian, an Ethiopian, an Inuit, an American, etc...

No, because it basically means you're calling someone a devil. Gaijin just means outsider. Gweilo means "devil" with the connotation that the other person is a devil because they're a foreigner. The Chinese equivalent to Gaijin would be Laowai.


No, I know, but it's still just  foreigner.So it's derogatory and xenophobic, but not racist.
 
2014-06-20 10:32:35 AM  

Rincewind53: RexTalionis: Rincewind53: Isn't that pretty much the same though? You could use it against an Italian, a German, an Egyptian, an Ethiopian, an Inuit, an American, etc...

No, because it basically means you're calling someone a devil. Gaijin just means outsider. Gweilo means "devil" with the connotation that the other person is a devil because they're a foreigner. The Chinese equivalent to Gaijin would be Laowai.

No, I know, but it's still just  foreigner.So it's derogatory and xenophobic, but not racist.


I am surprised there isn't a movement to rename Wales and the Welsh. Why? Because the name Wales comes from an Old English word meaning "Foreigner" when clearly the English were the foreigners compared to the native Welsh.
 
2014-06-20 10:37:22 AM  

cman: Rincewind53: RexTalionis: Rincewind53: Isn't that pretty much the same though? You could use it against an Italian, a German, an Egyptian, an Ethiopian, an Inuit, an American, etc...

No, because it basically means you're calling someone a devil. Gaijin just means outsider. Gweilo means "devil" with the connotation that the other person is a devil because they're a foreigner. The Chinese equivalent to Gaijin would be Laowai.

No, I know, but it's still just  foreigner.So it's derogatory and xenophobic, but not racist.

I am surprised there isn't a movement to rename Wales and the Welsh. Why? Because the name Wales comes from an Old English word meaning "Foreigner" when clearly the English were the foreigners compared to the native Welsh.


We can just call them the Cymrish.
 
2014-06-20 10:41:30 AM  

Rincewind53: RexTalionis: Rincewind53: Isn't that pretty much the same though? You could use it against an Italian, a German, an Egyptian, an Ethiopian, an Inuit, an American, etc...

No, because it basically means you're calling someone a devil. Gaijin just means outsider. Gweilo means "devil" with the connotation that the other person is a devil because they're a foreigner. The Chinese equivalent to Gaijin would be Laowai.

No, I know, but it's still just  foreigner.So it's derogatory and xenophobic, but not racist.


In fairness, my mother's people can be amazingly racist against anyone who isn't Nihonjin. Including my own hafu tochis. There's a reason that my family isn't terrible close with my mother's side, and even my mother's side isn't terrible fond of her marrying gaijin--twice, because she married another serviceman after my father. That's what's funny about them--everyone else are the crazy asshats for being born outside.
 
2014-06-20 10:46:57 AM  

hubiestubert: Rincewind53: RexTalionis: Rincewind53: Isn't that pretty much the same though? You could use it against an Italian, a German, an Egyptian, an Ethiopian, an Inuit, an American, etc...

No, because it basically means you're calling someone a devil. Gaijin just means outsider. Gweilo means "devil" with the connotation that the other person is a devil because they're a foreigner. The Chinese equivalent to Gaijin would be Laowai.

No, I know, but it's still just  foreigner.So it's derogatory and xenophobic, but not racist.

In fairness, my mother's people can be amazingly racist against anyone who isn't Nihonjin. Including my own hafu tochis. There's a reason that my family isn't terrible close with my mother's side, and even my mother's side isn't terrible fond of her marrying gaijin--twice, because she married another serviceman after my father. That's what's funny about them--everyone else are the crazy asshats for being born outside.


Yeah, that kind of crazy doesn't really enjoy "perspective."
 
2014-06-20 10:49:45 AM  
I really hope "Investors" is at least paying for all these moronic greens.
 
2014-06-20 10:56:43 AM  
I'm still amazed there are people defending this name.
 
2014-06-20 11:40:16 AM  
Yes, Redskins is a racist term and should be abolished...it's ridiculous that it's gone on this long.  But as I've stated elsewhere, I don't think it's the federal government's job to get involved (especially the trademark office).   I think it's the NFL's job to do it (really Snyder should do it but he's a douchebag) and THEY should be the one's bowing to public pressure...because money talks.  There's plenty of momentum for making the change but the NFL should force the change AND assist the team with the new name and logo.

Teams change that crap all the time and usually it's for marketing reasons but also pressure from the fans or general public.  The Devil Rays bowed to pressure and became the Rays.  The Washington Bullets bowed to pressure because of gun violence in the city and became the Wizards...etc.  The point is, the government is NOT necessary to make this change....the PUBLIC is.  Don't like the name, let the NFL know.  Pressure the networks who televise the games.  Pressure media outlets to stop reporting on the team until the name is changed.  Once the team and the NFL suffer financially, the change will be made.
 
2014-06-20 11:42:02 AM  

SlothB77: when do they revoke the trademarks for the Chiefs and Browns and Seahawks and Orangemen and Seminoles and Blackhawks and Braves and ... ?


Chiefs we named for H. Roe Bartle, whose nickname was "The Chief" - it was a fan vote. one of the runners up was "Mules"

The Browns were named after Paul Brown, their first head coach.

Syracuse no longer uses the term "Orangemen"

Blackhawks were named after a specific person who was a prominent figure in state history?

What's your beef with Seahawks?
 
2014-06-20 11:49:58 AM  
If Redskins isn't derogatory or offensive, feel free to use it exclusively from now on in referring to Native Americans, to their faces. I'm betting you won't. While you're at it, find me an example of Dan Snyder or his cronies using that term to refer to a population of Native Americans. Find it used as an honorific at a time when they aren't directly responding to criticism about the term.
 
2014-06-20 11:52:39 AM  

slayer199: The Devil Rays bowed to pressure and became the Rays.  The Washington Bullets bowed to pressure because of gun violence in the city and became the Wizards...etc.


Bullshiat. The Wizards changed their name for marketing purposes - crime had been dropping in Baltimore. Abe Pollin just put a PC spin on it.

Same for the Rays - more marketing.

If violent crime was a valid reason name changes, then idiots would be obligated to call for the Reds and Dodgers to change their uniforms because gangs adopted their caps and colors.
 
2014-06-20 11:52:58 AM  

slayer199: The Washington Bullets bowed to pressure because of gun violence in the city and became the Wizards...etc.


It wasn't pressure. Abe Pollin did it on his own initiative.
 
2014-06-20 11:55:54 AM  
Now let's see the feds at least pull the same recognition for Chief Wahoo, if not the rest of the Indians' name and so forth.

They won't. Ohio has 18 electoral votes that are very much in play whereas DC's three are not.

Same for Florida re: the Seminoles' logos, which depict said tribe as warmongering monsters.
 
2014-06-20 12:00:19 PM  

Gulper Eel: Now let's see the feds at least pull the same recognition for Chief Wahoo, if not the rest of the Indians' name and so forth.

They won't. Ohio has 18 electoral votes that are very much in play whereas DC's three are not.

Same for Florida re: the Seminoles' logos, which depict said tribe as warmongering monsters.


You realize that they received a complaint and reacted to it, right? If you have a problem with other teams I suggest you lodge a complaint with the patent office.
 
2014-06-20 12:04:19 PM  
Gulper Eel:
Same for Florida re: the Seminoles' logos, which depict said tribe as warmongering monsters.

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

Looks to me like he's yawning.
 
2014-06-20 12:07:23 PM  

slayer199: Yes, Redskins is a racist term and should be abolished...it's ridiculous that it's gone on this long.  But as I've stated elsewhere, I don't think it's the federal government's job to get involved (especially the trademark office).   I think it's the NFL's job to do it (really Snyder should do it but he's a douchebag) and THEY should be the one's bowing to public pressure...because money talks.  There's plenty of momentum for making the change but the NFL should force the change AND assist the team with the new name and logo.


Actually, you're somewhat off, here. The USPTO didn't just arbitrarily go and eliminate the trademark (also, they haven't yet, the decision is on hold until the appeal), but they only did so when a group of Native Americans brought a formal challenge against the trademark. They are required by law to evaluate all challenges evenly. They did not "bow to public pressure", they held a hearing, took evidence from both sides, and determined (as they did in 1999), that the trademark was inappropriate under the Lanham Act, which bans trademarks that "comprise[] immoral, deceptive, or scandalous matter... [or that] may disparage ... institutions, beliefs, or national symbols."

Claiming that this is the "federal government" getting involved completely misses the point. The federal government was  alreadyinvolved, by granting and enforcing the trademark. The entire idea of a trademark is that it's a  government protection of one business's use of a particular term or phrase. Copyrights and trademarks are fundamentally government-created, government-enforced, and government-regulated concepts. That the USPTO is now stepping in to exercise its power to regulate trademarks under the Lanham Act, through a proper challenge by affected parties, has nothing to do with the federal government suddenly inappropriately being involved in trademarks.
 
2014-06-20 12:14:47 PM  

Gulper Eel: Same for the Rays - more marketing.


they now believe the old name is unlucky.  after they dropped the Devil part, they starting doing better.  Baseball players are very superstitious.
 
2014-06-20 12:18:55 PM  

Gulper Eel: Now let's see the feds at least pull the same recognition for Chief Wahoo, if not the rest of the Indians' name and so forth.

They won't. Ohio has 18 electoral votes that are very much in play whereas DC's three are not.

Same for Florida re: the Seminoles' logos, which depict said tribe as warmongering monsters.


Go file a complaint like these litigants did and perhaps they will.
 
2014-06-20 12:39:57 PM  
Who is PornHub derogatory towards? Hubs?
 
2014-06-20 12:40:04 PM  
SlothB77: when do they revoke the trademarks for the Chiefs and Browns and Seahawks and Orangemen and Seminoles and Blackhawks and Braves and ... ?

and the Padres.  The Vatican can't like that one.
 
2014-06-20 12:40:20 PM  

SlothB77: when do they revoke the trademarks for the Chiefs and Browns and Seahawks and Orangemen and Seminoles and Blackhawks and Braves and ... ?


SSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Don't give the federal government any ideas.
 
2014-06-20 12:41:00 PM  

ManateeGag: SlothB77: when do they revoke the trademarks for the Chiefs and Browns and Seahawks and Orangemen and Seminoles and Blackhawks and Braves and ... ?

Chiefs we named for H. Roe Bartle, whose nickname was "The Chief" - it was a fan vote. one of the runners up was "Mules"

The Browns were named after Paul Brown, their first head coach.

Syracuse no longer uses the term "Orangemen"

Blackhawks were named after a specific person who was a prominent figure in state history?

What's your beef with Seahawks?


Maybe he's a Broncos fan?
 
2014-06-20 12:41:14 PM  
PornHub's a derogatory term for an ethnic minority?
 
2014-06-20 12:41:17 PM  
Washington Santorum is my suggestion for the new name.
 
2014-06-20 12:41:35 PM  

hubiestubert: Yes, it's terrible when citizens bring up an issue looking for redress. I look forward to the Chicago Honkies, the San Francisco Gaijin, and the Mobile Crackers as proper team names, because I'm certain that these will not be considered offensive by anyone, and if they are, then those people are obviously just butthurt...

What's funny is that, that if you were to put forward the many slurs on Jews, folks the same folks who are all upset at their freedoms are hindered, would swoop in to show how incredibly sensitive they are. Because the Holocaust was horrible. The history of slavery, the Trail of Tears, the servitude of many of our Chinese citizens to the railroad, the Internment and others? Those happened to folks, and while they're sorry about it, why can't we just let bygones be byegones, right? Heck, the Zoot Suit riots and the Stonewall riots, those were just kerfuffles over folks being overly sensitive, right?

Maybe we should just leave the slurs out of branding? Just a thought...


Obviously, you've forgotten the one rule of American politics, bigotry is always okay when it's tradition.  Every single bigoted piece of shiat pulls out that argument.  Even slavery.
 
2014-06-20 12:44:08 PM  
I hate these slippery slope arguments, it always tries to draw an argument to its most absurd conclusion.  It is always made by people who don't have a valid reason for opposition (see segregation and the right to marry) and just want to simply hold unpopular and unreasonable opinions.

The country will move on without you, just as it has done in the past.  Most people are reasonable and understand this is an issue of holding on to a racist term for a football team simply because you don't want to give an inch to anyone.  There is no good reason to support this.  The longer the team and its leadership stand in opposition to this, the worse they will look.  This just simply needs to be done - it is unquestionably racist and offense, because its historical or traditional doesn't negate the hatred surrounding it.

Just move on already.
 
2014-06-20 12:44:24 PM  
robinadr.com
 
2014-06-20 12:44:46 PM  

RexTalionis: Bobbies and Porn doesn't disparage anyone.

Also, the registration for "Dago Swagg?" Yeah, the "Dago" in that one referrs to Dago Vasconez, the owner of the mark.

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4810:ltx41o.2.1


Honestly, I am surprised people don't bring up the Cincinatti Reds.

After all, "Red" is a perjorative term for Natives and ignore that the name is a shortening of "Red Stockings".
 
2014-06-20 12:44:52 PM  
Solution: make them the "Orangeskins"..


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