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2014-06-20 09:22:51 AM
Meh.  I guess you can't expect him to be awesome on everything.  He's still both a good reformer and true to core values at the same time, for the most part.

It would be interesting to get his thoughts on the morality of for-profit prisons and our sentencing laws.  I would bet he's in favor of intervention efforts and rehabilitation as means of steering addicts away from jail time.
 
2014-06-20 09:29:27 AM
Pope Francis?
More like Pope Bogus.
 
2014-06-20 09:31:41 AM
Oh, we can't have drugs, but you swing that "incense" around like it's going out of style.
 
2014-06-20 09:31:46 AM
Pope Harshmellow?
 
2014-06-20 09:33:58 AM
Pope NARC!
 
2014-06-20 09:36:32 AM

Diogenes: Meh.  I guess you can't expect him to be awesome on everything.  He's still both a good reformer and true to core values at the same time, for the most part.

It would be interesting to get his thoughts on the morality of for-profit prisons and our sentencing laws.  I would bet he's in favor of intervention efforts and rehabilitation as means of steering addicts away from jail time.


Care to name one thing that has changed in the Roman Catholic Church lately?  Yes, his rhetoric is nicer, but he's still backing the same things.  The only thing I can think of is that he's fired the folks who run the Vatican Bank - but that's a business move, not a doctrinal one.  We'll see if that changes anything as well - my guess is the new bunch will be every bit as corrupt, just better at it.
 
2014-06-20 09:39:58 AM
Thus ended the reign of Pope Bogart I
 
2014-06-20 09:41:58 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Diogenes: Meh.  I guess you can't expect him to be awesome on everything.  He's still both a good reformer and true to core values at the same time, for the most part.

It would be interesting to get his thoughts on the morality of for-profit prisons and our sentencing laws.  I would bet he's in favor of intervention efforts and rehabilitation as means of steering addicts away from jail time.

Care to name one thing that has changed in the Roman Catholic Church lately?  Yes, his rhetoric is nicer, but he's still backing the same things.  The only thing I can think of is that he's fired the folks who run the Vatican Bank - but that's a business move, not a doctrinal one.  We'll see if that changes anything as well - my guess is the new bunch will be every bit as corrupt, just better at it.


I'm willing to give the guy a chance.  Those are some very farked up politics with a very long history.  He's new, and he's (presumably) trying to move a mountain.  It's still early in his time as Pope.

And considering his immediate predecessor....
 
2014-06-20 09:57:50 AM
Gotta make sure that religion is the ONLY opiate of the masses.
 
2014-06-20 09:57:59 AM

Diogenes: Meh.  I guess you can't expect him to be awesome on everything.  He's still both a good reformer and true to core values at the same time, for the most part.

It would be interesting to get his thoughts on the morality of for-profit prisons and our sentencing laws.  I would bet he's in favor of intervention efforts and rehabilitation as means of steering addicts away from jail time.


You know what's really effective at steering addicts away from jail time?

Decriminalization.
 
2014-06-20 09:58:30 AM
Given Christians are to live a sober lifestyle.. abstaining from strong drink, etc.  Pope Francis is correct in his statement.  Anything that can impair judgement should be avoided.

And for the record, I cannot stand Roman Catholics, they tend to be ignorant sheep.
 
2014-06-20 10:00:14 AM
He down with the Foot Fetish crowd though, so he has that going for him.

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2014-06-20 10:00:59 AM
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Anyway, Francis may be the coolest pope of my lifetime, but he's still the freaking pope.  It's like being the tallest dwarf.
 
2014-06-20 10:01:08 AM
Ok, so he's worried about addiction. Fair enough.l, that's a valid concern.
 
2014-06-20 10:02:17 AM
If God didn't want us smoking it, he shouldn't have made it and then given us dominion over it. Then again God made crabs and then slapped our hands when we tried to eat them.
 
2014-06-20 10:02:27 AM
I don't trust any god that doesn't get intoxicated, much less one that tries to tell me not to through some division CEO. Hmph.
 
2014-06-20 10:02:53 AM
Just last month, Uruguay - next door to Francis' native Argentina - approved selling marijuana cigarettes in pharmacies...

So U-r-gay is the first place to do this??
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I have seen the promised land and lo, it was good : )
 
2014-06-20 10:03:34 AM

Diogenes: Benevolent Misanthrope: Diogenes: Meh.  I guess you can't expect him to be awesome on everything.  He's still both a good reformer and true to core values at the same time, for the most part.

It would be interesting to get his thoughts on the morality of for-profit prisons and our sentencing laws.  I would bet he's in favor of intervention efforts and rehabilitation as means of steering addicts away from jail time.

Care to name one thing that has changed in the Roman Catholic Church lately?  Yes, his rhetoric is nicer, but he's still backing the same things.  The only thing I can think of is that he's fired the folks who run the Vatican Bank - but that's a business move, not a doctrinal one.  We'll see if that changes anything as well - my guess is the new bunch will be every bit as corrupt, just better at it.

I'm willing to give the guy a chance.  Those are some very farked up politics with a very long history.  He's new, and he's (presumably) trying to move a mountain.  It's still early in his time as Pope.

And considering his immediate predecessor....


I get that.  But the general consensus seems to be that he's some great reformer - and he's not.  He's being nicer than Pope Palpatine, but he's not reforming anything.  He's not saying anything different.  He's not calling for changes in doctrine or changes in interpretation of the bible.  He's just being nicer about the way things are, and making them seem more palatable.  That's not reform.
 
2014-06-20 10:04:10 AM
Pope Bogus the first.
 
2014-06-20 10:04:18 AM
Buzz kill.
 
2014-06-20 10:04:31 AM
Light one up, Francis!
 
2014-06-20 10:04:56 AM

cgraves67: Gotta make sure that religion is the ONLY opiate of the masses.


Indeed this.
 
2014-06-20 10:07:38 AM
Lighten up, Francis.
 
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2014-06-20 10:08:04 AM
Francis told members of a drug-enforcement conference meeting in Rome on Friday that even limited attempts to legalize recreational drugs "are not only highly questionable from a legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects."

I'd say you're taking the wrong drugs, Frankie.
 
2014-06-20 10:08:25 AM
There was a point in which he was cool?

This one is good at giving speeches. Everything else? He'd better get started if we want to know for sure!
 
2014-06-20 10:08:49 AM
But wine is all good?
 
2014-06-20 10:09:27 AM
He's now the Just Say Nope Pope.
 
2014-06-20 10:10:50 AM
"No hope in dope" says Pope.
 
2014-06-20 10:13:20 AM
Farking up your brain and causing false and temporary euphoria is the job of RELIGION, not drugs!

A pope has to defend his turf if he wants to maintain his revenue stream.
 
2014-06-20 10:15:32 AM
Um, yeah, Meester Pope, you remember those "exemptions" from Prohibition that your flunkies got for "communion" purposes?
 
2014-06-20 10:15:36 AM
I'll wait until Jimmy Swaggert & Pat Robertson weighs in on this.
 
2014-06-20 10:16:38 AM

special20: Light one up, Francis!


Ah, beaten to it. This is what I get for being indecisive. I tip my bonnet to you.
 
2014-06-20 10:17:20 AM
Hey pope I do drugs because the world around me is a shiathole. From the international headlines to the hobo digging through my garbage I use drugs to cope with this shiat. How about you guys get to improving the world so folks dont feel the need to cope.
 
2014-06-20 10:18:02 AM
Can't there be just one cult leader without flaws?
 
2014-06-20 10:18:38 AM
So will he be replacing the wine with *real* blood in his services?
 
2014-06-20 10:20:39 AM

GoldDude: So will he be replacing the wine with *real* blood in his services?


What do you mean? Wine always *becomes* real blood during services.
 
2014-06-20 10:22:01 AM
GoldDude

So will he be replacing the wine with *real* blood in his services?

He's way ahead of you on that one.
 
2014-06-20 10:22:14 AM

Cletus C.: Can't there be just one cult leader without flaws?


Well, what are you waiting for?
 
2014-06-20 10:22:17 AM
So he'll be getting rid of that whole alcohol bit during services and any other time then, since alcohol is a legalized recreational drug, right?  Right?

Religion and hypocrisy, like peas in a pod.
 
2014-06-20 10:24:10 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Hey pope I do drugs because the world around me is a shiathole. From the international headlines to the hobo digging through my garbage I use drugs to cope with this shiat. How about you guys get to improving the world so folks dont feel the need to cope.


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2014-06-20 10:26:31 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I get that. But the general consensus seems to be that he's some great reformer - and he's not. He's being nicer than Pope Palpatine, but he's not reforming anything. He's not saying anything different. He's not calling for changes in doctrine or changes in interpretation of the bible. He's just being nicer about the way things are, and making them seem more palatable. That's not reform.


Yep. He's a Public Relations appointment.
 
2014-06-20 10:26:52 AM
Agreed. Addiction is bad. My caffeine and sex addictions are crippling when there's none in the house to be had.

That being said, not everyone that uses is an addict. So, unless you can give me incontrovertible proof that cannabis is the "fruit of the forbidden tree", go be pope-ish somewhere else.

Now, if you'll excuse me, my girlfriend just walked into the room with the powdered caffeine and a straw.
 
2014-06-20 10:28:11 AM
Yeah, relaxing and having a peaceful disposition is probably the worst thing ever, huh? Has he come out against coffee yet?
 
2014-06-20 10:28:18 AM
Francis has frequently railed against the "evil" of drug addiction and has met with addicts on several occasions.

Well, making these evil drugs illegal will stop all that, right?

What, they're already illegal? Then from whence come addicts?
 
2014-06-20 10:28:50 AM

jshine: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Hey pope I do drugs because the world around me is a shiathole. From the international headlines to the hobo digging through my garbage I use drugs to cope with this shiat. How about you guys get to improving the world so folks dont feel the need to cope.

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Of course, we all know that Gandhi never said that.
 
2014-06-20 10:28:59 AM
It seems though that all of his views, the big ones, that he makes speeches about, whether you agree with them or not, come from a place of concern for the people.  I don't really think that his anti-drug stance is that shocking or that he's looking to stop some college kids in Naperville from injecting marijuanas and having a good time...but rather he's probably seen the ravages of addiction in the poorest countries and the richest, and how it tears families apart, causes people to lose everything and to suffer...suffer physically and emotionally and probably spiritually.  I would suspect that as a priest in South America he's seen some shiat and in his mind a lot of it stems from the drug trade.

Like someone said above, he's one pope trying to move the mountains of bullshiat from previous popes.  People saying "what has he done lately" must not understand how long it took the Catholic church to get so twisted up.  I, for one, applaud his EFFORTS, in at least daring to speak out on some issues that would have had my catholic mother in law blanching in the past.

Carry on Francis...I still think you're cool.
 
2014-06-20 10:33:19 AM

PunGent: Diogenes: Meh.  I guess you can't expect him to be awesome on everything.  He's still both a good reformer and true to core values at the same time, for the most part.

It would be interesting to get his thoughts on the morality of for-profit prisons and our sentencing laws.  I would bet he's in favor of intervention efforts and rehabilitation as means of steering addicts away from jail time.

You know what's really effective at steering addicts away from jail time?

Decriminalization.


You appear to have missed the intent of my entire post.  I agree with decriminalization/legalization.  I was guessing at what Francis' position on drug law enforcement might be.
 
2014-06-20 10:33:22 AM
This is my flesh. Come, eat of it.

This is my blood. Come, drink.

This is my stash. Don't touch it.
 
2014-06-20 10:33:25 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yes, his rhetoric is nicer, but he's still backing the same things.


What, you thought it was down to the Eight Commandments?
 
2014-06-20 10:33:42 AM
FTFA:  legalize recreational drugs "are not only highly questionable from a legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects."


Really?  And what are the desired effects from having it be illegal?  Massive black market which leads to tremendous international violence and murder.  The incarceration of people for doing no harm to anyone.  The overcrowding of prisons.  All of which would be non-existent it it were legal.

And yet alcohol, which has proven time and again to be for more destructive and dangerous, is totally legal.  In fact it's part of the rituals in the Catholic church.

So this makes him a hypocrite on top of everything.
 
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