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(Popular Science)   New study contends that fish are tool users, feel pain, have long memories, deserve better treatment from us, are absolutely delicious when drizzled with olive oil, lime juice, grilled for 3-4 minutes, and served with a side of pineapple salsa   (popsci.com) divider line 35
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2014-06-20 12:06:36 PM  
Whether fishes feel pain is a controversial question

No it's not. They do. Next question.
 
2014-06-20 01:47:06 PM  
Animals eat other animals. News at 11.
 
2014-06-20 02:03:30 PM  
I'll mention this to the next Smallmouth or Crappie I hook. I'm sure they'll be smiling in the pan.
 
2014-06-20 02:06:24 PM  
Anyone who thinks fish don't feel pain and don't remember past a few minutes is a farking retard.
 
2014-06-20 02:06:36 PM  
Ffs, "are fish as intelligent...as people?"

If yes, they eat us, so I don't feel bad about eating them. If no, they eat us, so I don't feel bad about eating them.

We're going to eat you, fish. Talk about that on your ichthyesnet.
 
2014-06-20 02:07:05 PM  
every vegan on my facebook page has already posted this in an attempt to shame the pescetarians. The thing is, of course they feel pain, they have nerve endings. Did people not know this? Yes they have memories. It's been shown that fish raised in catch and release fishing areas actually give up once hooked because they know they'll be put back. Anyone that eats fish but not other animals out of moral obligation is terribly uniformed.

/fisherman
//I practice low impact fishing and only catch what I want to eat
 
2014-06-20 02:07:30 PM  

Calmamity: Animals eat other animals. News at 11.


...and we're done. As an aside, we, too, are animals. The only difference between us and the fox is that we worry about the goose's feelings, and that's OK.
 
2014-06-20 02:09:42 PM  
No, subby, a paper in which someone speculates about possible ethical and policy implications of other people's findings is not a "study".
 
2014-06-20 02:19:55 PM  

FormlessOne: Calmamity: Animals eat other animals. News at 11.

...and we're done. As an aside, we, too, are animals. The only difference between us and the fox is that we worry about the goose's feelings, and that's OK.


to me vegans are like the gay people that try to pretend to be heterosexual. It's fighting your basic instinct as a human animal. Should we eat meat and not care about where it comes from and how the animals are treated? of course not, but if more people focused on eating sustainably and moved us away from factory farming things would be a lot better than going around screaming meat is murder or calling people that eat dairy products rapists
 
2014-06-20 02:24:42 PM  
ModernPrimitive01

...or calling people that eat dairy products rapists

Oh. Wow. I'm glad this is the first time I've ever heard this.

/dafuq
 
2014-06-20 02:24:51 PM  

Calmamity: Animals eat other animals. News at 11.


We taught this lion to eat tofu!

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-20 02:25:11 PM  
Max trolling.
 
2014-06-20 02:40:47 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: ModernPrimitive01

...or calling people that eat dairy products rapists

Oh. Wow. I'm glad this is the first time I've ever heard this.

/dafuq


dairy farms inseminate cows to keep them producing milk so they equate it with rape.
 
2014-06-20 02:52:56 PM  
It's okay eating fish cuz they don't have any feelings.
 
2014-06-20 02:56:47 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Anyone who thinks fish don't feel pain and don't remember past a few minutes is a farking retard.


Actually they don't. They react to the stimuli, ie they try to get away, but they don't have persistent pain.

For example.
I have always had fish. Back in college I bred piranhas because I thought it was pretty cool. A friend bought a small Koi (Comet actually) for the fish's annual Tank Day. The Comet swam around the large aquarium for about ten minutes before they attacked. The Piranhas tore the Comet's belly out and then left it alone. The Comet reacted to the two strikes, but that took ten seconds. As soon as it was over the Comet went right back to swimming around the tank - oblivious to the serious injury. If it experienced pain it would have shown some behavior change. Hell, it didn't even avoid the Piranhas.

They ate the rest of the pretty fish later.
 
2014-06-20 03:02:08 PM  
As with ALL articles that are titled with questions, the answer to the title, making reading the article a waste of time, is always, "No".
 
2014-06-20 03:25:11 PM  

doglover: Whether fishes feel pain is a controversial question

No it's not. They do. Next question.


Well. Case settled, then.

Say, maybe you can answer a few more:

Is there life after death?

Does God exist?

Can he create a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?
 
2014-06-20 04:05:39 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Can he create a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?


He already did. They're called Mastodon.
 
2014-06-20 04:50:52 PM  
Are Fish As Intelligent As Crows, Chimps... Or People?

Encephalization quotient says no.
 
2014-06-20 05:03:38 PM  

TV's Vinnie: It's okay eating fish cuz they don't have any feelings.


Glad that was taken care of
 
2014-06-20 05:24:25 PM  

Calmamity: Animals eat other animals. News at 11.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-20 05:30:26 PM  

madgonad: Shakin_Haitian: Anyone who thinks fish don't feel pain and don't remember past a few minutes is a farking retard.

Actually they don't. They react to the stimuli, ie they try to get away, but they don't have persistent pain.

For example.
I have always had fish. Back in college I bred piranhas because I thought it was pretty cool. A friend bought a small Koi (Comet actually) for the fish's annual Tank Day. The Comet swam around the large aquarium for about ten minutes before they attacked. The Piranhas tore the Comet's belly out and then left it alone. The Comet reacted to the two strikes, but that took ten seconds. As soon as it was over the Comet went right back to swimming around the tank - oblivious to the serious injury. If it experienced pain it would have shown some behavior change. Hell, it didn't even avoid the Piranhas.

They ate the rest of the pretty fish later.


I think everybody knew a guy like you in college... tank full of aggressive fish, a tendency to sensationalize their eating habits with colorful or exotic fish thrown in on "Tank Day" while a bunch of other small town goobers looked on and hooted like apes, trying desperately to get the attention of the girls in the next dorm room...
 
2014-06-20 05:33:48 PM  
it is possible to eat animals in a non terrible way.

choosing not to reflects poorly on you.
 
2014-06-20 05:49:36 PM  
Somebody just watched Finding Nemo.
 
2014-06-20 05:59:59 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Is there life after death?

Does God exist?

Can he create a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?


1) More sort of an après -vie.

2) He used to. Thanks Oolon Colluphid!

3) See 2    ;b
 
2014-06-20 06:04:39 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Anyone who thinks fish don't feel pain and don't remember past a few minutes is a farking retard.


I've seen goldfish, in a koi-pond, well carps, being able to recognise the person that feeds them.

So yeah, they have some sort of memory.

---

Doesn't mean that they're spending their time contemplating anything special, or especially selfaware.
 
2014-06-20 07:04:35 PM  
Heeeere fishy fishy fishy fishy....

castersonlineflyshop.com
 
2014-06-20 07:24:23 PM  
FTA: possessing evolutionary lineages as long as those of homo sapiens

EVERYTHING has an evolutionary lineage as long as we do. For the love of all that's good and holy, if you're going to pretend to know anything about evolution, don't talk about us like we're at the top of it!
 
2014-06-20 07:25:20 PM  

madgonad: Shakin_Haitian: Anyone who thinks fish don't feel pain and don't remember past a few minutes is a farking retard.

Actually they don't. They react to the stimuli, ie they try to get away, but they don't have persistent pain.

For example.
I have always had fish. Back in college I bred piranhas because I thought it was pretty cool. A friend bought a small Koi (Comet actually) for the fish's annual Tank Day. The Comet swam around the large aquarium for about ten minutes before they attacked. The Piranhas tore the Comet's belly out and then left it alone. The Comet reacted to the two strikes, but that took ten seconds. As soon as it was over the Comet went right back to swimming around the tank - oblivious to the serious injury. If it experienced pain it would have shown some behavior change. Hell, it didn't even avoid the Piranhas.


All you proved was that the koi had nowhere to run nor could it exhibit any changes due to it's limited nature. It can't even stop swimming, or it will die. It instinctively knows not to stay in the bloody death area, so it will try to get away. WTF did you want it to do? Jump out of the tank and call 911? I'd question what college you went to if I didn't know how stupid the majority of college grads actually are these days. You sir, are an idiot.

Calmamity: ArcadianRefugee: Can he create a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?

He already did. They're called Mastodon.


And you sir, are brilliant.
 
2014-06-20 08:16:08 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: doglover: Whether fishes feel pain is a controversial question

No it's not. They do. Next question.

Well. Case settled, then.

Say, maybe you can answer a few more:

Is there life after death?

Does God exist?

Can he create a rock so heavy that even he can't lift it?


yes. yes. and yes. This is easy.
 
2014-06-21 12:01:20 AM  
Going fishing tomorrow so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2014-06-21 01:01:59 AM  

Fatbeard: Going fishing tomorrow so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


I went fishing twoe days ago.

Still have leftovers in the fridge and about 25lbs in the freezer.

Joke is on me though thanks to mercury.
 
2014-06-21 11:23:10 AM  

Smackledorfer: Fatbeard: Going fishing tomorrow so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

I went fishing twoe days ago.

Still have leftovers in the fridge and about 25lbs in the freezer.

Joke is on me though thanks to mercury.


I've been fishing four times over the last two weeks.   Fell in the river once, got a prince nymph stuck in my ear requiring a doctor's help removing, and got one bite on a dry fly, which subsequently spit out the hook.

I love it.
 
2014-06-22 01:10:15 AM  

Calmamity: Animals eat other animals. News at 11.


filmfenix.se
 
2014-06-22 01:12:32 AM  

madgonad: Shakin_Haitian: Anyone who thinks fish don't feel pain and don't remember past a few minutes is a farking retard.

Actually they don't. They react to the stimuli, ie they try to get away, but they don't have persistent pain.

For example.
I have always had fish. Back in college I bred piranhas because I thought it was pretty cool. A friend bought a small Koi (Comet actually) for the fish's annual Tank Day. The Comet swam around the large aquarium for about ten minutes before they attacked. The Piranhas tore the Comet's belly out and then left it alone. The Comet reacted to the two strikes, but that took ten seconds. As soon as it was over the Comet went right back to swimming around the tank - oblivious to the serious injury. If it experienced pain it would have shown some behavior change. Hell, it didn't even avoid the Piranhas.

They ate the rest of the pretty fish later.


Two things occur to me.
1) it might've been in shock
2) prey animals often try to hide when they are ill or injured because revealing weakness makes them a bigger target
 
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