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(Politico)   First it was Rupert Murdoch, and Republicans did nothing. Well, what if I told you that this op-ed by Sheldon Adelson advocated for immigration reform, would you be for it then? GOP, your money is telling you to do something. Go do it   (politico.com) divider line 70
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2014-06-20 09:05:50 AM  
Future GOP presidential candidates would do well to remember this piece the next time they go to kiss Adelson's ring.
 
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2014-06-20 09:43:28 AM  
This will just widen the breach between the GOP base and business wings.

Good.
 
2014-06-20 10:03:52 AM  
Sheldon has his guys, but a lot of the others are on the Koch payroll. They're richer and scarier, so they'll have it their way.
 
2014-06-20 10:55:50 AM  
Big Business wants an endless supply of cheap, foreign labor? Surprising...
 
2014-06-20 11:06:27 AM  
I've always been for immigration reform. We aren't deporting enough illegal infiltrators, and we should take measures to fix the problem.


Deporting 2 million has been one of the few things Obama has done right during his term.
 
2014-06-20 11:06:40 AM  

PhiloeBedoe: Big Business wants an endless supply of cheap, foreign labor? Surprising...


ding ding ding
 
2014-06-20 11:09:24 AM  
Sheldon Adelson doesn't give a shiat about anything besides getting the FBI off his ass for bribing the Chinese government.

Even if, for the sake of argument, Adelson honestly believes in immigration reform, that doesn't mean he's going to give one dime less to whichever right wing loon he thinks gives him the best chance of avoiding prosecution.
 
2014-06-20 11:10:34 AM  
I don't care how many they let in, as long as we document them coming and going. Much of the crimes are committed by people that we don't even know are here.
 
2014-06-20 11:14:00 AM  
Even in the GOP...The intelligent vs. the ignorant.

The big wigs can see the future.
The masses are xenophobic and could give a shiat.


Despite money, only votes count in elections...and you only vote once.


if the money players were smart, they would invest into "support" ads for immigration reform.
Not the reps...they'll cater to the voters before the money-men.  (you have to be in office first to be bribed)
 
2014-06-20 11:14:15 AM  

dookdookdook: Sheldon Adelson doesn't give a shiat about anything besides getting the FBI off his ass for bribing the Chinese government.

Even if, for the sake of argument, Adelson honestly believes in immigration reform, that doesn't mean he's going to give one dime less to whichever right wing loon he thinks gives him the best chance of avoiding prosecution.


But he says - twice - that he doesn't engage in illegal activity. He's a billionaire casino owner, and you're some schmuck on the internet.

Sorry, but I gotta go with Mr $15-million-to-Newt-Gingrich on this one. He's got a proven track record of being right.
 
2014-06-20 11:17:15 AM  
Sheldon wants them to know the damn hotels won't clean themselves.
 
2014-06-20 11:18:11 AM  
"Let's face it, the United States does not have a process-real or imaginable-to deport 11 million people from within our borders. Those who favor the deportation of every person here illegally must understand that this position simply is not realistic. There is no wave of a magic wand that could accomplish such a task. Nor should there be.  I mean, who will clean my casinos and hotels?  Who will cook the food for the buffets?  Let's be realistic."

It is possible to be right for the wrong reasons.
 
2014-06-20 11:18:17 AM  

1derpful: I've always been for immigration reform. We aren't deporting enough illegal infiltrators, and we should take measures to fix the problem.


Deporting 2 million has been one of the few things Obama has done right during his term.



Just 12 million to go.

Deportation  ≠  Immigration reform.
 
2014-06-20 11:18:50 AM  

monoski: Sheldon wants them to know the damn hotels won't clean themselves.


Quicker and more succinct.
 
2014-06-20 11:24:38 AM  
First you give them citizenship. Then you draft them. Then you send them to die for your country. Rinse and repeat.
 
2014-06-20 11:33:31 AM  
While I do not practice or promote illegal behavior

You know who else said creepy stuff?

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2014-06-20 11:34:11 AM  

Diogenes: Future GOP presidential candidates would do well to remember this piece the next time they go to kiss Adelson's ring.


They'll still all say stupid things to try to appeal to the xenophobic know-nothings during the primaries. The only difference will be that we'll know some of them are lying.
 
2014-06-20 11:38:22 AM  

The Larch: Diogenes: Future GOP presidential candidates would do well to remember this piece the next time they go to kiss Adelson's ring.

They'll still all say stupid things to try to appeal to the xenophobic know-nothings during the primaries. The only difference will be that we'll know some of them are lying.


And it's not like Adelson will throw his money to the Democrats over it in any event.
 
2014-06-20 11:43:05 AM  

1derful: I've always been for immigration reform. We aren't deporting enough illegal infiltrators, and we should take measures to fix the problem.


Deporting 2 million has been one of the few things Obama has done right during his term.


You fix the "problem" by going after the people who aren't desperate, aka the business owners.  Throw some of them in jail and the desperate people will know that the USA will not alleviate their desperation.
 
2014-06-20 11:49:30 AM  
Get a load of this hippy.

Go back to Berkeley with that commie talk. Jerbs are at stake... OUR JERBS!
 
2014-06-20 11:53:03 AM  

Maturin: 1derpful: I've always been for immigration reform. We aren't deporting enough illegal infiltrators, and we should take measures to fix the problem.


Deporting 2 million has been one of the few things Obama has done right during his term.


Just 12 million to go.

Deportation  ≠  Immigration reform.


Actually the Mexican border is so porous, that 2 million deportations is probably negated by half of them returning to the US already.
 
2014-06-20 11:54:39 AM  
The comments on this story are a stomrfront-y barrel of monkeys.
 
2014-06-20 11:54:51 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Maturin: 1derpful: I've always been for immigration reform. We aren't deporting enough illegal infiltrators, and we should take measures to fix the problem.


Deporting 2 million has been one of the few things Obama has done right during his term.


Just 12 million to go.

Deportation  ≠  Immigration reform.

Actually the Mexican border is so porous, that 2 million deportations is probably negated by half of them returning to the US already.


Citation on those numbers, please.
 
2014-06-20 12:00:28 PM  
Democrats can't understand why Republican voters think for themselves instead of being controlled by the top down. True grassroot sincerity isn't something they're familiar with.
 
2014-06-20 12:03:16 PM  

Mrbogey: Democrats can't understand why Republican voters think for themselves instead of being controlled by the top down. True grassroot sincerity isn't something they're familiar with.


I would have never believed that, but then Sean Hannity mentioned it, so I know it must be true.
 
2014-06-20 12:04:18 PM  

Mrbogey: Democrats can't understand why Republican voters think for themselves instead of being controlled by the top down. True grassroot sincerity isn't something they're familiar with.


Can't be familiar with something that doesn't exist.  At least for Republicans.
 
2014-06-20 12:05:04 PM  
rogue49: 


The masses are xenophobic and could give a shiat.

Calling people who are against illegal infiltration xenophobic is just like calling people who are against gun violence racist.
 
2014-06-20 12:08:47 PM  

Diogenes: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Maturin: 1derpful: I've always been for immigration reform. We aren't deporting enough illegal infiltrators, and we should take measures to fix the problem.


Deporting 2 million has been one of the few things Obama has done right during his term.


Just 12 million to go.

Deportation  ≠  Immigration reform.

Actually the Mexican border is so porous, that 2 million deportations is probably negated by half of them returning to the US already.

Citation on those numbers, please.


Here and here
 
2014-06-20 12:12:38 PM  

Dr Dreidel: dookdookdook: Sheldon Adelson doesn't give a shiat about anything besides getting the FBI off his ass for bribing the Chinese government.

Even if, for the sake of argument, Adelson honestly believes in immigration reform, that doesn't mean he's going to give one dime less to whichever right wing loon he thinks gives him the best chance of avoiding prosecution.

But he says - twice - that he doesn't engage in illegal activity. He's a billionaire casino owner, and you're some schmuck on the internet.

Sorry, but I gotta go with Mr $15-million-to-Newt-Gingrich on this one. He's got a proven track record of being right.


And it keep getting funnier and FUNNIER every time.
 
2014-06-20 12:17:19 PM  
Sheldon Adelson: As a Republican, it's my view that efforts to complete immigration reform should be led by our party. Some on the outer fringes of the GOP may disagree, but the truth is we are humans first and partisans second.  Frankly, the Democrats don't have a monopoly on having hearts.

Sheldon Adelson said that.

What is this i don't even.
 
2014-06-20 12:17:33 PM  
Too late.  Too many politicians have been too openly virulant against any kind of immigration reform.  For most of thesse, it's going to be impossible to walk that stance back without getting primaried.  Some of the challengers will lose, some will win.  But enough of the GOP incumbants will be sufficiently concerned to effectively kill any chance of reform.
 
2014-06-20 12:41:08 PM  
The GOP didn't listen to the money when they shut down the government last year.  What makes anyone thing they'll listen this time?
 
2014-06-20 12:47:43 PM  

Slesfo: Sheldon Adelson: As a Republican, it's my view that efforts to complete immigration reform should be led by our party. Some on the outer fringes of the GOP may disagree, but the truth is we are humans first and partisans second.  Frankly, the Democrats don't have a monopoly on having hearts.

Sheldon Adelson said that.

What is this i don't even.


Here's a little hot Wiki to cheer you up:

The Sands is where Freddie Bell and the Bell Boys performed the rock 'n' roll-song "Hound Dog", seen by Elvis Presley. After Presley saw that performance at The Sands, he decided to record the song himself, and it became a hit for him.[citation needed]

Is there anything that means Heart more than a legendary hound dog?  Old sentimental Sheldon probably had that in mind when he bought the Sands.
 
2014-06-20 12:53:52 PM  

monoski: Sheldon wants them to know the damn hotels won't clean themselves.


Absolutely. And increasing the supply of legal labor right now, with unemployment still high, will depress wages by a ridiculous amount.

He just wants to be even richer.
 
2014-06-20 01:51:02 PM  

1derful: rogue49: 


The masses are xenophobic and could give a shiat.

Calling people who are against illegal infiltration xenophobic is just like calling people who are against gun violence racist.


Terrible analogy.
 
2014-06-20 02:00:16 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: First you give them citizenship. Then you draft them. Then you send them to die for your country. Rinse and repeat.


Actually, one of the problems right now is that we aren't even giving automatic citizenship to those who volunteer to die for our country.

Service does't equal citizenship.
 
2014-06-20 02:05:55 PM  
Ah, liberals ... fighting strenuously against the little guy and for the interests of Big Business.
 
2014-06-20 02:07:10 PM  

Slesfo: Sheldon Adelson: As a Republican, it's my view that efforts to complete immigration reform should be led by our party. Some on the outer fringes of the GOP may disagree, but the truth is we are humans first and partisans second.  Frankly, the Democrats don't have a monopoly on having hearts.

Sheldon Adelson said that.

What is this i don't even.


When it comes to a guy like this, you follow the money. He stands to become even richer if we get more legal immigrants that he can put to work for minimum wage, and have plenty of scabs ready to go in case his casino ever unionizes.

However, I'm willing to make a deal with the devil - we can start by granting some kind of legal recognition to people that are here already, as long as we also raise the minimum wage so that these people aren't taken advantage of, and that the influx of legal labor does not artificially depress wages.

Since there's no way in the world he would accept that, I'm thinking he's a businessman first, a human being second.
 
2014-06-20 02:10:56 PM  
Every halfwit I've heard talking up immigration "reform" has emphasized how we've "controlled the borders"  so this will be a one-time thing. Meanwhile Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico are being overwhelmed with tens of thousands of kids being shipped here from Central America because their parents have heard that once in, they won't be deported, and it's completely true. You can bet that when the realization fully sinks in that US border enforcement effectively doesn't exist for children, the flood will intensify by an order of magnitude. Reform that.
 
2014-06-20 02:20:31 PM  

Crewmannumber6: I don't care how many they let in, as long as we document them coming and going. Much of the crimes are committed by people that we don't even know are here.


Don't forget screening for infectious disease
 
2014-06-20 02:20:36 PM  

SunsetLament: Ah, liberals ... fighting strenuously against the little guy and for the interests of Big Business.


I do not understand your post, nor am I sure you're even posting in the right thread.

legacy-cdn.smosh.com
 
2014-06-20 02:27:57 PM  

Diogenes: SunsetLament: Ah, liberals ... fighting strenuously against the little guy and for the interests of Big Business.

I do not understand your post, nor am I sure you're even posting in the right thread.

[legacy-cdn.smosh.com image 375x390]


Well ... let ... me ... explain ... it ... to ... you ...

You ... are ... fighting ... with ... Repub ... lican ... Billion ... aire ... Sheldon ... Addelson ... for ... the ... rights ... of ... millions ... of ... foreign ... workers ... to ... work ... in ... the ... United ... States ...

... and ... this ... will ... result ... in ... wages ... staying ... low ... and ... unemployment ... staying ... high.

I applaud you, the liberal, fighting for the interests of a handful of the country's billionaires at the expense of the typical lower-middle class Americans.
 
2014-06-20 02:33:22 PM  

SunsetLament: Diogenes: SunsetLament: Ah, liberals ... fighting strenuously against the little guy and for the interests of Big Business.

I do not understand your post, nor am I sure you're even posting in the right thread.

[legacy-cdn.smosh.com image 375x390]

Well ... let ... me ... explain ... it ... to ... you ...

You ... are ... fighting ... with ... Repub ... lican ... Billion ... aire ... Sheldon ... Addelson ... for ... the ... rights ... of ... millions ... of ... foreign ... workers ... to ... work ... in ... the ... United ... States ...

... and ... this ... will ... result ... in ... wages ... staying ... low ... and ... unemployment ... staying ... high.

I applaud you, the liberal, fighting for the interests of a handful of the country's billionaires at the expense of the typical lower-middle class Americans.


Thank you for the clarification.  Now there is absolutely no question in my mind that you're an abrasive moron.
 
2014-06-20 02:37:04 PM  

1derful: rogue49: 


The masses are xenophobic and could give a shiat.

Calling people who are against illegal infiltration xenophobic is just like calling people who are against gun violence racist.


Oh, so they aren't just immigrating here in search of a better live and to support their families back home. They are infiltrators, subverting American culture and trying to sabotage our society with their foreignness.

In exactly what universe are you not xenophobic?
 
2014-06-20 03:04:29 PM  

twat_waffle: 1derful: rogue49: 


The masses are xenophobic and could give a shiat.

Calling people who are against illegal infiltration xenophobic is just like calling people who are against gun violence racist.

Oh, so they aren't just immigrating here in search of a better live and to support their families back home. They are infiltrators, subverting American culture and trying to sabotage our society with their foreignness.

In exactly what universe are you not xenophobic?


When you are immigrating illegally, you're infiltrating.  The immigration laws exist, in part, to prevent the subversion of American culture.
 
2014-06-20 03:16:43 PM  

twat_waffle: 1derful: rogue49: 


The masses are xenophobic and could give a shiat.

Calling people who are against illegal infiltration xenophobic is just like calling people who are against gun violence racist.

Oh, so they aren't just immigrating here in search of a better live and to support their families back home. They are infiltrators, subverting American culture and trying to sabotage our society with their foreignness.

In exactly what universe are you not xenophobic?


Well, in the universe where what I write is exactly what I mean.

People who rob banks, stick people up, con people, embezzle, all most certainly do so for a "better live" and I'm sure that some do so to support their families back home, but that does not change the fact that they break the rules to do so, and it definitely doesn't excuse their behavior.

America is composed of many different races, from many different countries, and with different cultures. American culture isn't a monolith.

There are around 300 million family members of immigrants in the country who were able to find their way here without illegal infiltration, yet they are being asked to provide lives for a minority of lawbreakers who do.

You can argue that the legal immigration process is too convoluted and time consuming to be fair and practical, and I'd be open to making the process easier. But first thing is first. Boarders should be secured and monitored and then every single illegal agent within those boarders should be expelled immediately.

What country those agents hail from doesn't matter.
 
2014-06-20 03:31:14 PM  

1derful: You can argue that the legal immigration process is too convoluted and time consuming to be fair and practical, and I'd be open to making the process easier. But first thing is first. Boarders should be secured and monitored and then every single illegal agent within those boarders should be expelled immediately.


So before we figure out what to do with 11-12 million people here, we need to make sure we're not adding to their numbers (don't see how you could ever prove this) AND spontaneously get those 11-12 MILLION people to self-deport?

Forgetting about the strain on our transportation network - for comparison, 12 million is roughly the total number of people traveling legally to the US from Mexico in a year - you're expecting 12 million people who have already demonstrated the ability to live under the radar rather than follow the rules to leave and jump to the back of a 12-million-person line to get back in?

What's that meme-gif with the pot-smoking hippie who thinks laws would prevent people from owning guns? If they didn't follow the law to get in the first time, why would they follow a more complicated law the second time?
 
2014-06-20 03:38:42 PM  

Dr Dreidel: So before we figure out what to do with 11-12 million people here, we need to make sure we're not adding to their numbers (don't see how you could ever prove this) AND spontaneously get those 11-12 MILLION people to self-deport?

Forgetting about the strain on our transportation network - for comparison, 12 million is roughly the total number of people traveling legally to the US from Mexico in a year - you're expecting 12 million people who have already demonstrated the ability to live under the radar rather than follow the rules to leave and jump to the back of a 12-million-person line to get back in?


Expecting it?  No, of course not.  We're just informing you that we're unwilling to ease the process of letting new ones in until they do.
 
2014-06-20 03:41:02 PM  
Dr Dreidel:

So before we figure out what to do with 11-12 million people here, we need to make sure we're not adding to their numbers (don't see how you could ever prove this) AND spontaneously get those 11-12 MILLION people to self-deport?

Improving boarder security would not be that difficult. And I would expect those people to be forcibly deported through law enforcement action.


Forgetting about the strain on our transportation network - for comparison, 12 million is roughly the total number of people traveling legally to the US from Mexico in a year - you're expecting 12 million people who have already demonstrated the ability to live under the radar rather than follow the rules to leave and jump to the back of a 12-million-person line to get back in?

No, again, they would have to be forcibly deported obviously. Center for American Progress estimates it would cost $200 billion to deport them, so you could consider that a stimulus to the economy.

What's that meme-gif with the pot-smoking hippie who thinks laws would prevent people from owning guns? If they didn't follow the law to get in the first time, why would they follow a more complicated law the second time?

A law is only as good as how strictly it's enforced. The U.S. has plenty of room for improvement with illegal infiltration.
 
2014-06-20 04:44:14 PM  

1derful: twat_waffle: 1derful: rogue49: 


The masses are xenophobic and could give a shiat.

Calling people who are against illegal infiltration xenophobic is just like calling people who are against gun violence racist.

Oh, so they aren't just immigrating here in search of a better live and to support their families back home. They are infiltrators, subverting American culture and trying to sabotage our society with their foreignness.

In exactly what universe are you not xenophobic?

Well, in the universe where what I write is exactly what I mean.

People who rob banks, stick people up, con people, embezzle, all most certainly do so for a "better live" and I'm sure that some do so to support their families back home, but that does not change the fact that they break the rules to do so, and it definitely doesn't excuse their behavior.

America is composed of many different races, from many different countries, and with different cultures. American culture isn't a monolith.

There are around 300 million family members of immigrants in the country who were able to find their way here without illegal infiltration, yet they are being asked to provide lives for a minority of lawbreakers who do.

You can argue that the legal immigration process is too convoluted and time consuming to be fair and practical, and I'd be open to making the process easier. But first thing is first. Boarders should be secured and monitored and then every single illegal agent within those boarders should be expelled immediately.

What country those agents hail from doesn't matter.


So now you're equating undocumented immigrants with criminals? You are aware that sneaking across the "boarder" isn't a crime, aren't you?

"Secure the border" is just a way of saying, "fark those guys." The border will never be secure until you mine every last inch of that region with Claymores and nuke Mexico until it is nothing but an irradiated wasteland. Also, you can't seriously expect the federal government to waste the money to deport 12 million people who haven't done anything wrong except criss the border illegally, can you? How do you propose we find these "illegal agents" (more xenophobia) of yours without trampling the rights of everyone else? How do you ensure due process for 12 million people at once?

Face it: You're xenophobic. The very fact that you try to turn undocumented immigrants into some nefarious "other" through your choice of language proves that.

/also, autocorrect is a harsh mistress, and I miss small things like "live" instead of "life" when I proofread my posts. But way to be a pedant
 
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