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(Politico)   Thank you, Scott Walker, for being such a fark-up that you may help bring about campaign finance reform. *clinks glass*   (politico.com) divider line 65
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2014-06-20 08:55:46 AM
Karl Rove perp walk?
 
2014-06-20 09:25:09 AM
No. If you read the article, the writer thinks that it'll bring in campaign finance reform to allow outside groups to coordinate with candidates, not campaign finance reform to get outside money away from candidates.
 
2014-06-20 09:32:20 AM

RexTalionis: No. If you read the article, the writer thinks that it'll bring in campaign finance reform to allow outside groups to coordinate with candidates, not campaign finance reform to get outside money away from candidates.


it could go both ways, while I'm sure the former is what politicians want, the latter may be what the public demands
 
2014-06-20 09:32:50 AM

RexTalionis: No. If you read the article, the writer thinks that it'll bring in campaign finance reform to allow outside groups to coordinate with candidates, not campaign finance reform to get outside money away from candidates.


To be fair, this was submitted by Charles Koch.
 
2014-06-20 09:45:39 AM

JerseyTim: To be fair, this was submitted by Charles Koch.


I resent that
 
2014-06-20 10:07:52 AM

somedude210: JerseyTim: To be fair, this was submitted by Charles Koch.

I resent that


Sorry David
 
2014-06-20 10:27:32 AM

zedster: somedude210: JerseyTim: To be fair, this was submitted by Charles Koch.

I resent that

Sorry David


better
 
2014-06-20 10:33:27 AM
I'm a fan of Thomas' interpretation of Citizens United: There's not enough money in politics and any conflict of interests are imaginary.

I suppose there's a certain irony in a black Republican complaining that he can't sit around, do nothing, and mooch off the government.
 
2014-06-20 11:18:53 AM
No charges against Walker have been filed.

FTFA.

so scandalous.
 
2014-06-20 11:22:18 AM
But the Supreme Court told me that unlimited money didn't even have the appearance of a corrupting influence on politics..
 
2014-06-20 11:25:16 AM

SlothB77: No charges against Walker have been filed.

FTFA.

so scandalous.


What the prosecutors are doing is a John Doe Investigation, which is a particular type of investigation that is specific to Wisconsin where prosecutors are able to investigate to see if a violation of a law occurred.

If a violation of the law has occurred, then charges will be filed at the conclusion of the John Doe investigation.

In the current case, the Wisconsin Club for Growth is trying to get the judge to stop the John Doe investigation before it concludes.
 
2014-06-20 12:14:09 PM

SlothB77: No charges against Walker have been filed.

FTFA.

so scandalous.


Right, because filing charges is always the very first step.

Have charges been filed against Obama and Hillary?

So you agree that Benghazi is not a scandal, right?
 
2014-06-20 12:34:52 PM
So five partisan prosecutors get together to talk about the potential of bringing charges that will go nowhere in order to further their career and potentially influence the governor's race.

Yeah, that's newsworthy
 
2014-06-20 12:46:55 PM

RexTalionis: In the current case, the Wisconsin Club for Growth is trying to get the judge to stop the John Doe investigation before it concludes.


... because the investigation is politically motivated and baseless and is being used to smear Scott Walker?

The left is definitely threatened by Walker.  He's done a bang-up job for Wisconsin.  They should feel threatened by him.  He is a daily reminder conservatism works.  The left and the media is systematically smearing republican hopefuls.  they got Christie.  Now they are going after Walker.  This is a good sign.  It shows he has arrived.  If they weren't going after him, i'd be more concerned.  Then that would mean they don't see him as a viable threat to them.
 
2014-06-20 12:57:28 PM
one small problem with the scandal - everything they did was perfectly legal:

About a month after the subpoenas went out, the judge who had approved them, Barbara Kluka, recused herself from the case for unknown reasons, so judge Gregory Peterson replaced her. And in January 2014, Peterson ruled that the subpoenas should never have gone out, writing that prosecutors failed "to show probable cause that a crime was committed." He wrote that since the outside groups only funded issue ads, the coordination the prosecutors purported to show was in fact perfectly legal.

In February 2014, the Wisconsin Club for Growth and its director Eric O'Keefe filed a federal lawsuit. They alleged that the prosecutors' unjustified investigation and subpoenas had violated their First Amendment rights to free speech - chilling their group's fundraising and crippling its ability to advocate in this year's elections.

n May, federal district court judge Rudolph Randa agreed. "The plaintiffs have been shut out of the political process, merely by association with conservative politicians," Randa wrote, in a fiery opinion. "This cannot square with the First Amendment and what it was meant to protect." He agreed with Judge Peterson's ruling that the subpoenas were unjustified, because the groups only aired perfectly legal issue ads. Furthermore, Randa wrote, "The theory of 'coordination' forming the basis of the investigation... is not supported under Wisconsin law, and, if it were, would violate the United States Constitution."

So Randa ordered that the state investigation be halted. He even ruled that all documents collected from the subpoenas and raids must be returned or destroyed.


i guess politico couldn't be bothered to mention any of that in the hit piece.
 
2014-06-20 01:04:00 PM
Until prosecutors get permission from both federal and state courts to use the documents they subpoenaed, charges seem unlikely to be filed.

considering both the fed and state courts ruled prosecutors couldn't use the documents they subpoenaed, they have no evidence with which to build a case.  and the ads were issue ads, not campaign ads anyways.  so it is a smear campaign, not a scandal.

the ad never mentions anything about an election. In its final line, the ad urges viewers to call Sandy Pasch - not to vote against her.
 
2014-06-20 01:18:08 PM
Well Rush Limbaugh sounds concerned. He's been ranting about this for over an hour.

I didn't think this was going anywhere, but after hearing that and seeing all the usual shills spamming this thread with predictable talking points, maybe this sucker has legs after all.
 
2014-06-20 01:21:34 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!:

Two judges have already ruled to dismiss the charges, but you keep firkin that chicken.

Maybe try getting more news than simply reading fark headlines that support your team.


Factually incorrect. There are no charges right now; it is a John Doe investigation the CFG is seeking to quash in federal court. It is presently on appeal.

Also, the district judge is a Bush (I) appointee, and was buds with Rehnquist. This may go nowhere, but it certainly isn't over.
 
2014-06-20 02:02:19 PM

SlothB77: The left is definitely threatened by Walker. He's done a bang-up job for Wisconsin. They should feel threatened by him. He is a daily reminder conservatism works.


Scott Walker is such a success that he's barely hanging onto a 2% lead on Mary Burke, who is essentially unknown to over 50% of the voters.
 
2014-06-20 02:12:11 PM

RexTalionis: SlothB77: The left is definitely threatened by Walker. He's done a bang-up job for Wisconsin. They should feel threatened by him. He is a daily reminder conservatism works.

Scott Walker is such a success that he's barely hanging onto a 2% lead on Mary Burke, who is essentially unknown to over 50% of the voters.


And let's not forget the success of Walker's jobs creation program

Gov. Scott Walker has said voters should rely on the numbers, gathered from a survey of nearly every Wisconsin business, to measure how well he is doing on his signature 2010 campaign promise to add 250,000 private sector jobs in the state by the end of this year.

Through the first three years of Walker's term, the state added slightly fewer than 92,000 private sector jobs.


Wisconsin 37th in job creation last year


Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is a bang-up job showing how conservatism works!!
 
2014-06-20 02:12:32 PM
IamKaiserSoze!!!:

Two judges have already ruled to dismiss the charges, but you keep firkin that chicken.

Maybe try getting more news than simply reading fark headlines that support your team.


Uh, "the charges"? What "charges" there those? Sorry, I missed the part where Walker was charged with anything.
 
2014-06-20 02:25:16 PM

Lionel Mandrake: RexTalionis: SlothB77: The left is definitely threatened by Walker. He's done a bang-up job for Wisconsin. They should feel threatened by him. He is a daily reminder conservatism works.

Scott Walker is such a success that he's barely hanging onto a 2% lead on Mary Burke, who is essentially unknown to over 50% of the voters.

And let's not forget the success of Walker's jobs creation program

Gov. Scott Walker has said voters should rely on the numbers, gathered from a survey of nearly every Wisconsin business, to measure how well he is doing on his signature 2010 campaign promise to add 250,000 private sector jobs in the state by the end of this year.

Through the first three years of Walker's term, the state added slightly fewer than 92,000 private sector jobs.

Wisconsin 37th in job creation last year


Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is a bang-up job showing how conservatism works!!


Walker himself said that his job is on the line, so I'm not surprised.

"I want my Cabinet secretaries to have branded across their heads, '250,000 jobs,'" Walker said at a December 2010 meeting of the Dairy Business Association. "I want them to know their job is on the line because my job is on the line to create 250,000 jobs in the private sector."
 
2014-06-20 03:09:26 PM

Lionel Mandrake: RexTalionis: SlothB77: The left is definitely threatened by Walker. He's done a bang-up job for Wisconsin. They should feel threatened by him. He is a daily reminder conservatism works.

Scott Walker is such a success that he's barely hanging onto a 2% lead on Mary Burke, who is essentially unknown to over 50% of the voters.

And let's not forget the success of Walker's jobs creation program

Gov. Scott Walker has said voters should rely on the numbers, gathered from a survey of nearly every Wisconsin business, to measure how well he is doing on his signature 2010 campaign promise to add 250,000 private sector jobs in the state by the end of this year.

Through the first three years of Walker's term, the state added slightly fewer than 92,000 private sector jobs.

Wisconsin 37th in job creation last year


Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is a bang-up job showing how conservatism works!!


Ouch.
 
2014-06-20 04:09:39 PM

RexTalionis: No. If you read the article, the writer thinks that it'll bring in campaign finance reform to allow outside groups to coordinate with candidates, not campaign finance reform to get outside money away from candidates.


Wouldn't doing that 100% gut all campaign finance laws?
 
2014-06-20 04:39:25 PM

DamnYankees: RexTalionis: No. If you read the article, the writer thinks that it'll bring in campaign finance reform to allow outside groups to coordinate with candidates, not campaign finance reform to get outside money away from candidates.

Wouldn't doing that 100% gut all campaign finance laws?


Yes, I believe that's what they wanted.
 
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2014-06-20 04:42:23 PM
SlothB77:

The left is definitely threatened by Walker.  He's done a bang-up job for Wisconsin.  They should feel threatened by him.  He is a daily reminder conservatism works.  The left and the media is systematically smearing republican hopefuls.  they got Christie.  Now they are going after Walker.  This is a good sign.  It shows he has arrived.  If they weren't going after him, i'd be more concerned.  Then that would mean they don't see him as a viable threat to them.

We see how well it works alright.
 
2014-06-20 05:07:04 PM

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: RexTalionis: No. If you read the article, the writer thinks that it'll bring in campaign finance reform to allow outside groups to coordinate with candidates, not campaign finance reform to get outside money away from candidates.

Wouldn't doing that 100% gut all campaign finance laws?

Yes, I believe that's what they wanted.


If by "they," you mean "the people who have purchased legislators, governors, and the president," then yes, that is exactly what they wanted. Why wouldn't they enjoy the chance to tell a government official what to do and oh hey I just happened to drop this suitcase full of $100 bills here, boy it would be a shame if somebody happened to pick that up and use it for their own purposes.
 
2014-06-20 05:10:00 PM
The Aristocrats!
 
2014-06-20 05:12:25 PM

KarmicDisaster: IamKaiserSoze!!!:

Two judges have already ruled to dismiss the charges, but you keep firkin that chicken.

Maybe try getting more news than simply reading fark headlines that support your team.

Uh, "the charges"? What "charges" there those? Sorry, I missed the part where Walker was charged with anything.


There are no charges but if there were charges they have already be dismiss!  NOTHING TO SEE HERE!
 
2014-06-20 05:12:46 PM
Man, somebody in this thread is trying their little ol' hardest to convince us that Walker is awesome, despite everything he's ever done.

Good on ya, li'l engine that could.
 
Bf+
2014-06-20 05:14:02 PM

gilgigamesh: maybe this sucker has legs after all.



His decent into Palinism is a good sign, I think.
 
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2014-06-20 05:19:46 PM
img.washingtonpost.com
 
2014-06-20 05:26:08 PM
If this isn't an issue then Republicans should let those dumb Democrats keep farking that chicken.

I mean it will only make them and their supporters look stupid.  Right?  Right?
 
2014-06-20 05:29:16 PM
How Walker doesn't get pinched for this is beyond me.   Christ, the Supremes farked this all up.
 
2014-06-20 05:29:20 PM
I just watched a hard-hitting interview with Walker by Steve Doocy.

This no-holds-barred confrontation was eloquently handled by Gov. Walker, who has convinced me of his total innocence and his unprecedented success as the Governor of the great state of WI.

...is what I'd say if I were a gullible, dipshiat FOXbot.
 
2014-06-20 05:32:38 PM

SlothB77: No charges against Walker have been filed.

FTFA.

so scandalous.


Is it ever tiring constantly being on the wrong side of history?

Walker is a crook, the Republican party is a whole group of thieves and liars, and you wholeheartedly SUPPORT them.
 
2014-06-20 05:35:35 PM
yankehome.com

Those Wisconsin Democrats that were hiding out in Illinois ... They ever make it home? Or still MIA
 
2014-06-20 05:45:21 PM

SlothB77: He's done a bang-up job for Wisconsin.


LOL. Every time I think you can't push the envelope of FAIL any more, you come right back and prove me wrong.

Don't ever change.
 
2014-06-20 05:45:32 PM

SlothB77: No charges against Walker have been filed.

FTFA.

so scandalous.


Oh so then anything against Obama that has no charges against him is also not a scandal then?
 
2014-06-20 05:50:23 PM

gilgigamesh: Lionel Mandrake: RexTalionis: SlothB77: The left is definitely threatened by Walker. He's done a bang-up job for Wisconsin. They should feel threatened by him. He is a daily reminder conservatism works.

Scott Walker is such a success that he's barely hanging onto a 2% lead on Mary Burke, who is essentially unknown to over 50% of the voters.

And let's not forget the success of Walker's jobs creation program

Gov. Scott Walker has said voters should rely on the numbers, gathered from a survey of nearly every Wisconsin business, to measure how well he is doing on his signature 2010 campaign promise to add 250,000 private sector jobs in the state by the end of this year.

Through the first three years of Walker's term, the state added slightly fewer than 92,000 private sector jobs.

Wisconsin 37th in job creation last year


Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is a bang-up job showing how conservatism works!!

Ouch.


And it's worth noting that this is getting worse the longer he is in office.

"The ranking of 37th for private sector job growth in 2013 comes after Wisconsin was 36th in 2012 and 35th in 2011. "
 
2014-06-20 05:50:48 PM

Lionel Mandrake: And let's not forget the success of Walker's jobs creation program

Gov. Scott Walker has said voters should rely on the numbers, gathered from a survey of nearly every Wisconsin business, to measure how well he is doing on his signature 2010 campaign promise to add 250,000 private sector jobs in the state by the end of this year.

Through the first three years of Walker's term, the state added slightly fewer than 92,000 private sector jobs.

Wisconsin 37th in job creation last year


Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is a bang-up job showing how conservatism works!!


If he were that concerned about creating jobs, why would he be using Conservative policies that are proven to fail at creating jobs? Why not go to some tried and true effective liberal policies like giving poor people more money to increase demand for consumer goods and services?

I think he's just milking the government for what benefits he can provide for the people that donated money to his election and avoidance of recall. If you give money to poor people, they spend it on things that make the economy go. If you give more money to "job creators" they spend [some of] it on your reelection campaign.
 
2014-06-20 06:23:05 PM

ox45tallboy: Lionel Mandrake: And let's not forget the success of Walker's jobs creation program

Gov. Scott Walker has said voters should rely on the numbers, gathered from a survey of nearly every Wisconsin business, to measure how well he is doing on his signature 2010 campaign promise to add 250,000 private sector jobs in the state by the end of this year.

Through the first three years of Walker's term, the state added slightly fewer than 92,000 private sector jobs.

Wisconsin 37th in job creation last year


Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is a bang-up job showing how conservatism works!!

If he were that concerned about creating jobs, why would he be using Conservative policies that are proven to fail at creating jobs? Why not go to some tried and true effective liberal policies like giving poor people more money to increase demand for consumer goods and services?

I think he's just milking the government for what benefits he can provide for the people that donated money to his election and avoidance of recall. If you give money to poor people, they spend it on things that make the economy go. If you give more money to "job creators" they spend [some of] it on your reelection campaign.


He'll using his governorship as a launching pad for the presidency because he thinks he has a shot in 2016.
 
2014-06-20 06:47:36 PM
Kochsucking apologist Sloth jumps in with typical talking points, immediately bolts when presented with facts.

Must be a Fark thread.

But seriously, if this somehow does lead to money leaving the political system, it would be a grand time. Not that I'm happy it took years of screwing up our state to get it done, but a solution would be nice.

All that, and Scott has a decent chance to lose his bought-and-paid-for governor's seat this November. Go Burke!
 
2014-06-20 06:49:02 PM
Sadly what the likely outcome of all of this will be is a LEGITIMIZATION of this type of shadow-campaign.

It will go in one end of the Supreme Court in all its shiatty filthiness and come out the other end smelling like a legal rose.

This is the downside of bringing this kind of charge when you don't also have some other kind of smoking gun (drugs, underage hookers, real estate fraud, tax evasion) to hold over their heads to make them plead guilty.  There is no other stick to threaten him or his co-conspirators with, so he'll fight it and his deep-pocketed co-conspirators will fight it.  And given the obscene stupidity and nuttiness of the "conservative" wing of the Supreme Court, they'll probably rule that the laws prohibiting this behavior are un-Constitutional.
 
2014-06-20 07:03:19 PM

ox45tallboy: If he were that concerned about creating jobs, why would he be using Conservative policies that are proven to fail at creating jobs? Why not go to some tried and true effective liberal policies like giving poor people more money to increase demand for consumer goods and services?


To play devil's advocate... what would those be in Wisconsin?  A train that ten people who ride everyday?  Apart from when we had the biochem people in Madison running strong this state has had fark-all for ideas for 40 years.

Burke's greatest asset thus far been being a non-specific as possible (apart from not being named 'Scott Walker').  If Burke has to actually unveil a platform she's screwed.
 
2014-06-20 07:25:25 PM
When you get down to it, campaign finance "reform" is really about the left denying its targets the ability to use their own resources to fight back. All the other claims they throw out about "money in politics" are just the scenery chewing and huckstering involved in masking that objective while still heading toward it.
 
2014-06-20 07:28:23 PM

jjorsett: When you get down to it, campaign finance "reform" is really about the left denying its targets the ability to use their own resources to fight back. All the other claims they throw out about "money in politics" are just the scenery chewing and huckstering involved in masking that objective while still heading toward it.


Yeah, OK sport....you really nailed it...
 
2014-06-20 07:34:08 PM
I hope the courts "borrow Sansa's necklace" on him, politically speaking.
 
2014-06-20 07:56:15 PM
Scottghazi! Nah. Wisghazi! Nope. Walkghazi! Eh. Where are the experts on this stuff?
 
2014-06-20 07:59:37 PM
I keep wanting to call this guy Scott Fasbender. I don't know why.
 
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