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2014-06-20 01:23:00 AM  
Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes
 
2014-06-20 01:37:37 AM  

Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes


Not when you take into account getting to the airport early to get through security, time spent boarding, taxiing, waiting to take off, and then waiting to deplane at the destination.

I'm sure there will be some waiting involved on the train to, but it should be faster to get on, get going, and get off.

Cost will be a factor though I'm sure.  Since this is being privately developed you can bet it won't be cheap. If it's more expensive than a flight it may be hard to get takers.
 
2014-06-20 01:41:02 AM  

Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes


If you want to get digitally raped by a fat black woman with a penlight, there's craigslist.

For everyone else, there's bullet trains.
 
2014-06-20 02:13:41 AM  
Why in the name of all holy would you want to go to Houston?!
 
2014-06-20 05:30:03 AM  

Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes


I can tell you don't fly much.

Posted from O'Hare.
 
2014-06-20 06:34:27 AM  
But I have been assured by people who know such things that bullet trains are Un-American.
 
2014-06-20 06:39:25 AM  
That's barely enough time to have sexy adventures!
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-20 06:43:46 AM  
i.telegraph.co.uk


Shinkansen are either on elevated tracks or in tunnels.  They never cross vehicle traffic.

I don't know if they're planning on elevating the tracks in Texas, but otherwise a vehicular collision with a 300 KPH train could be... bad.
 
2014-06-20 06:46:52 AM  

HawgWild: Why in the name of all holy would you want to go to Houston Dallas?!


FTFY. I do love the train system in Japan, and I'm glad it will be linking together parts of TX. Too bad it waited until I moved away to do it.
 
2014-06-20 06:47:24 AM  
Shinkansen is the best way to travel. Ever. It's one of the few things I actually like about Japan (besides rail thin, submissive women with perfect hair).
 
2014-06-20 06:53:43 AM  
It just a matter of one incident before the TSA screens train and bus passengers, crushing those out of competitiveness.
 
2014-06-20 06:55:41 AM  
Will the summer Texas heat mess up the rails, or whatever it will run on? If tunnels, then never mind.
 
2014-06-20 07:02:27 AM  

HawgWild: Why in the name of all holy would you want to go to Houston?!


Trains go both ways.

/like subby.
// NTTAWWT
 
2014-06-20 07:03:00 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Will the summer Texas heat mess up the rails, or whatever it will run on? If tunnels, then never mind.


You're right. That is an engineering problem, and everyone knows that engineers have absolutely no clue how to solve engineering problems.
 
2014-06-20 07:18:52 AM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com

Make sure it's underground so they'll have a way to travel in the future.

Keep the stalagtites, too.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-20 07:27:11 AM  

doglover: Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes

If you want to get digitally raped by a fat black woman with a penlight, there's craigslist.

For everyone else, there's bullet trains.


You really believe that there won't be security for the train too?
 
2014-06-20 07:30:01 AM  

Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes


Is that including the 2 1/2 hours you need to be at the airport prior to departure for the TSA to do their cavity search?
 
2014-06-20 07:45:06 AM  
Connecting Dallas and Houston? Wait a minute, they're connecting two places where people actually live? An actual practical use for a high-speed rail line? Are they even allowed to do that?

I thought high-speed rail was only essential infrastructure if it cost $100 billion and connected Bakersfield and Bumfark.
 
2014-06-20 07:59:23 AM  

Gulper Eel: Connecting Dallas and Houston? Wait a minute, they're connecting two places where people actually live? An actual practical use for a high-speed rail line? Are they even allowed to do that?

I thought high-speed rail was only essential infrastructure if it cost $100 billion and connected Bakersfield and Bumfark.


This. I've been suspecting that the rail industry in the US is some sort of Producers level scam because other than the NE corridor, no proposed line makes sense because every congressman tries to get it to go through their podunk district
 
2014-06-20 08:00:06 AM  
Since it's Texas they will strip all of the safety devices out for cost and rely on prayer to keep the trains safe.
 
2014-06-20 08:05:49 AM  
What's wrong with just driving from Dallas to Houston?

hahahaha  yeah, ok, I'm trolling.
 
2014-06-20 08:23:06 AM  
Unfortunately, whichever way you go, you're still in Texas.
 
2014-06-20 08:24:55 AM  
Being done for profit so it has a much better chance of success!
 
2014-06-20 08:35:59 AM  
Part of what makes the Shinkansen so successful is that the trains run every ten minutes or so -- it doesn't matter if you miss your train. Hard to see that frequency happening here.

And in general, the Japanese public transportation system in cities and between them makes the US look like a third world country.
 
2014-06-20 08:36:54 AM  
This really sounds like more of a Shelbyville idea.
 
2014-06-20 08:37:52 AM  

vpb: doglover: Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes

If you want to get digitally raped by a fat black woman with a penlight, there's craigslist.

For everyone else, there's bullet trains.

You really believe that there won't be security for the train too?


There isn't security for the train. I take Acela all the damn time. I don't get x-raped.
 
2014-06-20 08:39:01 AM  

HawgWild: Why in the name of all holy would you want to go to Houston?!


Because you were in Dallas.
 
2014-06-20 08:40:17 AM  

wildcardjack: It just a matter of one incident before the TSA screens train and bus passengers, crushing those out of competitiveness.


Am I the only one who foresees the airlines staging a "false flag" security incident on the train deliberately to foist the same security theater on their competition and drag them down to their level?

Too cynical?
 
2014-06-20 08:42:40 AM  
This actually sounds like a great location for this.  If it is successful then maybe we can have them in other parts of the country.  Any time it's brought up here it's seen as a money pit.

www.banklawyersblog.com
/It would be a money pit unless people's attitudes towards public transit change.
//Attitudes won't change.
 
2014-06-20 08:44:29 AM  
The company trying to build this is doing so on the assumption that both cities metro populations will double by 2035. I highly doubt that is going to happen.
 
2014-06-20 08:46:55 AM  
I cannot wait to see the aftermath the first time one of them hits a steer.
 
2014-06-20 08:54:06 AM  
It would consider federal financing, says Lawless, but it will not accept subsidies even if the line fails to turn a profit.

LOL
 
2014-06-20 09:07:29 AM  

maddogdelta: AMonkey'sUncle: Will the summer Texas heat mess up the rails, or whatever it will run on? If tunnels, then never mind.

You're right. That is an engineering problem, and everyone knows that engineers have absolutely no clue how to solve engineering problems.


You're right. There are sometimes Amtrak/NJ Transit delays because overhead wires melt in the heat. Where are those engineers now?

Hint: Not driving the train because no power.
 
2014-06-20 09:09:36 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: maddogdelta: AMonkey'sUncle: Will the summer Texas heat mess up the rails, or whatever it will run on? If tunnels, then never mind.

You're right. That is an engineering problem, and everyone knows that engineers have absolutely no clue how to solve engineering problems.

You're right. There are sometimes Amtrak/NJ Transit delays because overhead wires melt in the heat. Where are those engineers now?


Probably requesting a budget to deal with overhead wires that overheat.
 
2014-06-20 09:10:26 AM  
Federal government wants to build more train lines: NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
Private company wants to build more train lines: GIVE THEM FEDERAL FUNDING
 
2014-06-20 09:13:00 AM  
If this high speed rail has a stop in Austin, I will pray to whatever god they worship to make this happen.  Flying out of Austin Sucks, with most flights stopping in Houston or Dallas anyway.  Being able to take a 45 minute train ride to Dallas and flying out from there would be awesome.
 
2014-06-20 09:17:14 AM  
When it's done it'll travel 85mph, cost twice as much as a plane ticket and move 5 people between the cities per trip at a crippling loss.
 
2014-06-20 09:21:50 AM  

TheGogmagog: Any time it's brought up here it's seen as a money pit.


Because it's usually a government conceived/funded project that's being discussed.
 
2014-06-20 09:22:19 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes

Not when you take into account getting to the airport early to get through security, time spent boarding, taxiing, waiting to take off, and then waiting to deplane at the destination.

I'm sure there will be some waiting involved on the train to, but it should be faster to get on, get going, and get off.

Cost will be a factor though I'm sure.  Since this is being privately developed you can bet it won't be cheap. If it's more expensive than a flight it may be hard to get takers.


And landing 30 minutes (with no traffic) and up to an hour (with traffic) from downtown from IAH and 20 minutes/40 minutes from Hobby.
 
2014-06-20 09:37:47 AM  
TheGogmagog:
Any time it's brought up here it's seen as a money pit.

For a financial comparison, let's look at the California system versus the Texas one:

California: 520 miles, connecting a very large city to one large city and a bunch of little ones.
Texas: 240 miles, connecting two very large cities

California: $100 billion or so, to be completed some time in a couple of decades. Maybe.
Texas: $10 billion, to be completed in about ten years.
 
2014-06-20 09:40:38 AM  
High-speed rail already works.  It's always just been just a question of how badly people want it.

People love it once they try it out.  Even the Acela, which is all hype.
 
2014-06-20 09:42:24 AM  
thornhil:
Part of what makes the Shinkansen so successful is that the trains run every ten minutes or so -- it doesn't matter if you miss your train. Hard to see that frequency happening here.

The big thing that made the Shinkansen so successful was going bankrupt.

You see, the original system, as built, was losing a crapload of money. The cost of the right-of-way was killing them and the Shinkansen was never going to make money. So they went broke, were bought out for a fraction of their incurred debt, and are now back in business only because of that massive elimination of debt.

They also have the benefit of legal protection - the airlines are specifically prohibited from competing with the Shinkansen on its most "profitable" routes.
 
2014-06-20 09:44:56 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Being done for profit so it has a much better chance of success!


And we know how profits guarantee success!

stocklogos.com

And government sponsorship is a pre-requisite for failure
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-06-20 09:48:00 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes

Not when you take into account getting to the airport early to get through security, time spent boarding, taxiing, waiting to take off, and then waiting to deplane at the destination.

I'm sure there will be some waiting involved on the train to, but it should be faster to get on, get going, and get off.

Cost will be a factor though I'm sure.  Since this is being privately developed you can bet it won't be cheap. If it's more expensive than a flight it may be hard to get takers.


Nice thing is, it's private money. If it doesn't work out, taxpayers aren't out the dough the way we here in California will be when "high speed rail" fails spectacularly.
 
2014-06-20 09:51:45 AM  

Fano: Gulper Eel: Connecting Dallas and Houston? Wait a minute, they're connecting two places where people actually live? An actual practical use for a high-speed rail line? Are they even allowed to do that?

I thought high-speed rail was only essential infrastructure if it cost $100 billion and connected Bakersfield and Bumfark.

This. I've been suspecting that the rail industry in the US is some sort of Producers level scam because other than the NE corridor, no proposed line makes sense because every congressman tries to get it to go through their podunk district


That's the beauty of building one entirely inside one state. They don't have to build unnecessary spur lines get votes from Oklahoma and New Mexico.

Inside a state urban legislators would favor direct links. The rural districts in the rail corridor get construction crews coming it to rent rooms and buy food. San Antonio and Austin don't win anything this time, but it establishes a precedent which may include them in the future.
 
2014-06-20 09:54:32 AM  
TuteTibiImperes:
Cost will be a factor though I'm sure. Since this is being privately developed you can bet it won't be cheap.

Um... what?

You really meant "Since this is being privately developed you can bet it will be insanely cheaper than the ones proposed and developed by governments." Right?

The per-mile cost of this one is proposed to be between 1/4 and 1/5 the price of California's boondoggle, for example... and between two cities that have a large business commuter population already, as opposed to the California one, where the demand for a SF/LA link is lacking, to say the least.

There's a Florida medium-high speed (80 to 125 MPH) rail proposal in the works, too - a private one this time, between Orlando and Miami (there's that magical 200 to 250 mile distance again...) And, again, the price is supposed to be a fraction of the last government-sponsored HSR link between those cities. The cost for this one will be much lower than the commuter rail system (SunRail) in Orlando.
 
2014-06-20 09:54:53 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: vpb: doglover: Trance750: Ore you can just hop on Southwest Airlines and beat the train by 45 minutes

If you want to get digitally raped by a fat black woman with a penlight, there's craigslist.

For everyone else, there's bullet trains.

You really believe that there won't be security for the train too?

There isn't security for the train. I take Acela all the damn time. I don't get x-raped.


I go to our local county fair. For the past 5 years or so, we've been subjected to the same kind of procedures that airports have: no liquids, metal detectors, no knives, long lines, blah blah. The only thing missing so far is the body x-rays, and I'm sure it's coming as soon as these power-mad idiots can buy the necessary equipment. If some effing morons can amp up this kind of security for a damned fair, do you think high speed rail is going to get left off the list for long? I don't.
 
2014-06-20 09:57:36 AM  
cgraves67:
San Antonio and Austin don't win anything this time, but it establishes a precedent which may include them in the future.

The future plans for the Texas system already include a triangular-shaped route, with lines connecting San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, and Houston, with a couple of stops in between (College Station and Waco, for example).
 
2014-06-20 09:59:46 AM  

maddogdelta: And we know how profits guarantee success!


No guarantee but a much better chance. But you know that. Or at least I hope you know that.
 
2014-06-20 10:00:21 AM  
i'll never ride it.

i won't step one foot in Texas.
 
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