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(Berkeley)   UC Berkley's head epidemiologist on the return of pertussis. The TL:DR? "We're screwed"   (alumni.berkeley.edu ) divider line
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2014-06-20 04:10:34 PM  
13 votes:
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2014-06-20 03:57:59 PM  
7 votes:

Repo Man:
Miss Sunshine is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Before I knew it was a thing, I used to think of them as people who were so dumb, they actually think that they are smart.


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2014-06-20 03:56:08 PM  
7 votes:
My kid can't have the pertussis vaccine because she had seizures as a baby, and there is a minute, slight, miniscule chance the vaccine could bring on a seizure, if the moon lines up with the earth just right and a unicorn flys by.  So, I'm pretty sure if they won't let her have a vaccine for that slight chance, if vaccines really carried a substantial risk of harm, no one would have them.  That said, if she gets pertussis because some random granola hippie earth mother won't vaccinate her children, I'm going after someone with a bat.  Herd immunity people.  It's an important thing.
2014-06-20 03:37:34 PM  
6 votes:

bigdog1960: Extensive research. With top men, top men. Stupid coont. Sunshine jeebus.


When someone says they have done "extensive research", I've found that asking them what journal their research has been published in typically either gets them to go WHARGARBLing mad, or makes them point out they just read something on the internet.

Because the University of Google makes you more qualified to talk about vaccines than Doctors, Scientists, and health scholars.
2014-06-20 08:58:40 PM  
5 votes:
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2014-06-20 04:03:29 PM  
4 votes:

tricycleracer: I bet Sunshine has been on a cocktail of antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds her entire life.


We need a race for the cure for Narcissism..... :-)
2014-06-20 03:54:34 PM  
4 votes:

ikanreed: Is it too soon to propose a "final solution" to vaccine denialists?  We can just quarantine them in camps.  The death part of the camps will take care of itself, thanks to their attitudes.


Deny them access to healthcare services or reimbursement if they opt out.

Oh you elected not to be vaccinated and now you can't breathe? There's the door or you pay full price out of your own pocket.
2014-06-20 03:38:47 PM  
4 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


I'm starting to re-think the bunker idea, not for a nuclear holocaust, but in fear of the day herds of people like her and her children roam the American plains like braying, retarded, diseased bison.
2014-06-20 01:09:47 PM  
4 votes:
Oh my god.  The stupid in the comments.  It burns.
2014-06-20 05:16:23 PM  
3 votes:
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2014-06-20 05:13:13 PM  
3 votes:

PhilGed: White_Scarf_Syndrome:
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Except that's not true.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/questionsaboutvac ci nes/ucm070430

The limit for water is 2ppb or .002 mg (.000002 grams)

The limit for older vaccines with Themerisol (49.6% mercury) is .01% or 50 mcg (.00005 grams) in a .5ml dose - or about .000025 since only half is mercury.

So you're not getting 20,000 times more.  You're getting about 2.5 times more of an incredibly tiny dose.

And that's before you take into account you drink 6,000 times more water each day than you'd get in a vaccine.


Thank you for the exact numbers...but I was posting that to show how dumb and wrong it was.  I work with dangerous chemicals all day long.  The MSDS is my bible, yo.

Even though my kid is vaccinated, I really do worry about all the other kids at his daycare.  Oh well.  Just keep pumping him full of spinach and green beans and chicken and hope for the best.
2014-06-20 05:05:13 PM  
3 votes:
White_Scarf_Syndrome:
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Except that's not true.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/questionsaboutvac ci nes/ucm070430

The limit for water is 2ppb or .002 mg (.000002 grams)

The limit for older vaccines with Themerisol (49.6% mercury) is .01% or 50 mcg (.00005 grams) in a .5ml dose - or about .000025 since only half is mercury.

So you're not getting 20,000 times more.  You're getting about 2.5 times more of an incredibly tiny dose.

And that's before you take into account you drink 6,000 times more water each day than you'd get in a vaccine.
2014-06-20 04:41:23 PM  
3 votes:
Easy solution to the anti-vaccers: add a surcharge to their health insurance.  A *massive* one.  Also, deny access to the following public services: education, transit, and medical.  The public policy should be that people who risk the public health are denied access to public services.
2014-06-20 04:32:51 PM  
3 votes:
I took a shot with...

FARK HATES YOU REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:17PM
Sunshine, when you've got a free moment could you recommend the best copper crystal orgone rig for breaking up chemtrails?



And she actually responded with:
SUNSHINE REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:23PM
Wow Fark....that's nice! Chemtrails are real you can research it yourself. If you no anyone who happens to be in weather or is a former Air Force pilot, you could pick their brain, you see, I've already don't this and made my decisions based on different criteria. When I speak to a man who was red Onside fir attaching canisters if barium salts in the airplane I tend to listen. When I see the trails start overhead, I actually take serious notice, because you see...I live in the Rocky Mountains and I live in the middle of nowhere, the norm is usually three to five planes a week flying overhead to larger city's, but when the planes spray, there will 10- 12 planes flying high altitude in the same hour. It's not my job to convince you, it's your job to get your head thinking and testing everything against what you think you know.


So... There you go.
2014-06-20 04:06:32 PM  
3 votes:

It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.


Check out the WHO data on Mexico's vaccination rates and even some of the nations in Central America- they're as high or higher than the areas of this country where the anti-vaxers are concentrated.  If we're discussing tropical diseases or small outbreaks of diseases that are endemic in another part of the world because they have a zoonotic phase that relies on animals not native to the US or North America- yes, for those diseases we can blame immigrants, but we also have to blame US travelers to those areas as well which puts a big dent in your nativist narrative.  Case in point- the only cases of MARS in the US were US citizens and permanent residents who had traveled to the middle east to work in health care there,
2014-06-20 03:55:20 PM  
3 votes:
I just got my Tdap booster.

So far the side affects have included me not dying of lockjaw, diptheria, or pneumonia.

Other side affects include not taking medical advice from models that made a name for themselves by shiatting for Candie's shoe adverts.
2014-06-20 03:35:06 PM  
3 votes:

haemaker: For anyone thinking they shouldn't, don't need to, or it is unsafe to vaccinate a child, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIz8U_DMy8

Keep in mind, whooping cough lasts 4 months!  Not a few hours or days.  FOUR MONTHS!


I came down with whooping cough a few years ago, coughed so hard I shattered my ribs. Maybe people would vaccinate their kids if the commercial for it was a grown man sobbing as he tried to get out of his car at the urgent care facility.
2014-06-20 02:50:32 PM  
3 votes:
For anyone thinking they shouldn't, don't need to, or it is unsafe to vaccinate a child, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIz8U_DMy8

Keep in mind, whooping cough lasts 4 months!  Not a few hours or days.  FOUR MONTHS!
2014-06-20 10:08:03 PM  
2 votes:

moeburn: hardinparamedic: moeburn: 
moeburn: Doctors tell me that anti-depressants work better than placebos (they don't).

Are you referring to SSRIs? Because yeah. There's no evidence in many people that they work better than placebos. Which is why drugs like tricyclic antidepressants and the dreaded MAOIs are making a come back..

Yeah, I am referring to SSRI's.  I just don't see how someone could possibly think that depression could be brain-chemistry related unless they had some sort of traumatic brain injury.  Seratonin goes down when people get depressed?  And so they automatically assume that the seratonin is in control of the person's mood, and not the other way around?  You know what else goes down when you get depressed?  The corners of your mouth.  Should we tape peoples mouths into smiles to help treat their depre ...


Sure the idea that depression is related to brain chemistry sounds stupid when you present a stupidilu simplistic summary of the research on the role of serotonin in major depression and ignore the fact that most researchers don't believe that depression is a single disease process with a single cause.   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2950973/
2014-06-20 07:01:20 PM  
2 votes:

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


Yes, 400,000 deportations per year is open borders.

Not closed enough, you say?  Fine.  Expand the Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment about tenfold and maybe then you might be satisfied.

Oh wait, then you'll be complaining about your taxes.  Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment goons agents don't work for free.
2014-06-20 05:14:54 PM  
2 votes:

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Thank you for the exact numbers...but I was posting that to show how dumb and wrong it was.  I work with dangerous chemicals all day long.  The MSDS is my bible, yo.

Even though my kid is vaccinated, I really do worry about all the other kids at his daycare.  Oh well.  Just keep pumping him full of spinach and green beans and chicken and hope for the best


Well, in addition to the fact that Ethyl Mercury =/= Elemental or Methyl Mercury.

That there are different forms of mercury, with different metabolic profiles, retention half-lifes, mechanisms of toxicity, and pathways of detoxification using cellular mechanisms boggles the mind of the average anti-vaxxer. They honestly think people pour elemental mercury into a vial.
2014-06-20 05:07:15 PM  
2 votes:
Refusing to vaccinate your kids, even on religious grounds, should be cause to have the state take them away from you, because at that point, you are an unfit parent.
2014-06-20 05:06:46 PM  
2 votes:

uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.


Immigrants from Central or South America don't simply teleport to the border, they have to travel through Mexico.  The fact that there isn't a pertussis outbreak in Mexico demonstrates that immigrants are not transmitting the virus.  Vaccination rates in these countries are better than in the US.  This is a rich whitey problem.
2014-06-20 04:42:53 PM  
2 votes:

SewerSquirrels: I'm not an anti-vaxer and, hell, I even get the flu shot every year because I'm aware that vaccines have eradicated or nearly eradicated diseases, but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry. Maybe it's good that we have dipshiats like Jenny McCarthy in the world to help keep them honest.

I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.


The problem is that anti vaccine nuts don't "keep anyone honest", because honesty doesn't work on them.  Like religious fanatics or conspiracy theorists, they've already made up their minds about what they believe the truth to be, and any data to the contrary is dismissed as lies, no matter how well supported it is.

As for chicken pox parties, that's fine for a generally non-fatal disease with no permanent disabling effects, but you can't have farking polio parties.
2014-06-20 04:01:33 PM  
2 votes:

brap: I just got my Tdap booster.


I literally could not believe there was an outbreak of this in Illinois. I thought my Doc was kidding. So, I joked back, "Nah, lets skip it... I'm afraid of getting 'the Autism'..."

He looked at me skeptically.

"Yes, that's right. An adult is afraid of getting a neural developmental disorder..." He laughed... And then I realized what kind of people he's been dealing with around here.  (Of course I got the damned shot.)

As a race, we're pretty much doomed. Enjoy the slide into oblivion while you still can!
2014-06-20 03:56:14 PM  
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: I really have no problem with forcing people to do it. It's everyone's duty to help people that are too stupid to know they're harming themselves.


Then explain the closure of mental health facilities in this country and why they're cast out on the the street to suffer?

Christian Nation my ass.
2014-06-20 03:53:16 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-06-20 03:49:31 PM  
2 votes:

It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.


Venn diagram fail.
2014-06-20 03:48:30 PM  
2 votes:

toraque: Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.

You know, I think I'm going to reconsider my stance on anti-vaxxers.  They're just assisting mother nature by choosing to be naturally selected against.


The problem is, since no vaccine is 100% effective, they often take down some innocent bystanders.
2014-06-20 03:47:41 PM  
2 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


You know, I think I'm going to reconsider my stance on anti-vaxxers.  They're just assisting mother nature by choosing to be naturally selected against.
2014-06-20 03:46:45 PM  
2 votes:
Is it too soon to propose a "final solution" to vaccine denialists?  We can just quarantine them in camps.  The death part of the camps will take care of itself, thanks to their attitudes.
2014-06-20 02:39:39 PM  
2 votes:
Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.


And her replies... the derp flows in this one.
2014-06-21 12:14:53 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: lohphat: Why are scrubs allowed to leave the hospital in the era of MRSA and other nasty bugs? Leaving the hospital with potentially infected garments makes no sense to me

If you've worked in a hospital for any length of time, the overwhelming chance is that any Staph that is part of your microbiota is MRSA. About 7 to 25% of people will have nasal colonization, depending on the studies.

I like my Aviator Scrubs I work in clinics and dispatch in. While I can see the appeal to using trade-out scrubs in areas like Surgery, and OB, it's not very cost effective elsewhere.


It's not just MRSA, it's c.diff. http://candornews.com/2012/08/01/by-wearing-scrubs-in-public-medical- p rofessionals-may-ironically-be-making-us-more-sick/

Even a scrubs vendor posts about it. Link

As someone who's had a MRSA infection, cost of laundering vs costs of c.diff and MRSA treatment is trivial.

Containment and prophylaxis regimens are important as we lose treatment options.
2014-06-21 02:57:49 AM  
1 vote:
My "research" consisted of noticing that people used to get all those illnesses a lot a long time ago, then vaccinations came around, and after people didn't get sick with that stuff nearly as much.

Seriously.  What the bloody hell else do you need to know?????
2014-06-20 09:56:45 PM  
1 vote:

Jaden Smith First of His Name: haemaker: For anyone thinking they shouldn't, don't need to, or it is unsafe to vaccinate a child, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIz8U_DMy8

Keep in mind, whooping cough lasts 4 months!  Not a few hours or days.  FOUR MONTHS!

I came down with whooping cough a few years ago, coughed so hard I shattered my ribs. Maybe people would vaccinate their kids if the commercial for it was a grown man sobbing as he tried to get out of his car at the urgent care facility.


Thanks for that image. I just called my pharmacy, and I'm heading out now to get my booster. I had a week of pneumonia once, and it was shiatdick. Whooping cough would probably drive me to suicide.
2014-06-20 07:57:33 PM  
1 vote:

moeburn: I've had doctors tell me that pot causes lung cancer (never has).


That's a yes, and a no, actually. While Delta-9 THC has anti-tumor properties, especially in targeted, highly concentrated forms, it's use can also promote cancer growth in cells that are cannabanoid-receptor expressing, and decrease immune responses to cancer cells. We've known this for some time, it's a double-edged sword, and why current research focuses on targeting cannabanoid compounds to tumors, rather than simply vaping, ingesting, or smoking.

moeburn: Doctors have told me that exercise helps release endorphins (debunked since the 1980's).


You might want to actually read what the actual research says on that. It's a lot more complex  than the release of endorphins and enkephalins.

moeburn: Doctors tell me that anti-depressants work better than placebos (they don't).


Are you referring to SSRIs? Because yeah. There's no evidence in many people that they work better than placebos. Which is why drugs like tricyclic antidepressants and the dreaded MAOIs are making a come back..

These are reasons why you listen to actual experts in their fields. Not your family doctor.
2014-06-20 06:49:58 PM  
1 vote:

Wangiss: iron de havilland:

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.

I might have some vague stuff to say about you as well. ooga booga!


This image is new to you?

i.imgur.com

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.

Are you like Percy Jackson's cousin or something?


Good evening sir.

i.imgur.com
2014-06-20 06:26:20 PM  
1 vote:

70Ford: hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


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The President that has deported moreillegalsthananyone.




Obama 'Deporter in Chief' Myth Debunked by Former Homeland Security Sec

In an interview with Conan Nolan of NBC Los Angeles on Sunday, Janet Napolitano, who is now the president of the University of California system, was asked whether criticism of her from the left that she was "overzealous in the deportation of undocumented immigrants" was unfair.

"I think it was, actually," Napolitano said. "It didn't look at the whole picture. A lot of those deportations were individuals who were captured right at the border so they had not yet entered the United States."

Napolitano then said, "because of the way we handled them differently than prior administrations, they got counted differently."
2014-06-20 06:25:19 PM  
1 vote:

Wangiss: iron de havilland:

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.

So is everything else you read.

It's you.

No, it's reality.

Reality always supports one's own political beliefs. You can expand access to health care without forcing other people to contribute For example, you yourself could start a free vaccinations program, hiring off-duty nurses to help vaccinate people at a church on weekdays. Too much work, or you don't care enough? Make someone else do it, right?

How about you bring all the nurses to a party at my house afterwards? That'll be my contribution.


Sorry, I'd like to retract my comment.

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.
2014-06-20 06:12:54 PM  
1 vote:

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


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The President that has deported moreillegalsthananyone.
2014-06-20 06:10:45 PM  
1 vote:

ElLoco: zena: I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....

Oddly enough, pretty much all schools have religious exemption clauses. The constitution is a real biatch when it works the other way around, sometimes.



This is one of the very few times that I just don't think we should allow religious exemption.
2014-06-20 05:57:48 PM  
1 vote:

Clemkadidlefark: Professor Arthur Reingold, come on down and collect your Glaxo/Smith/Kline Public Relations trophy !!

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.. they don't call it drug money for nothing ..


There are times I hope that the revolution comes, troll, because you would be the first against the wall when Obama's jackbooted big Pharma thugs put a size 12 in your anus.
2014-06-20 05:48:41 PM  
1 vote:

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


Derp!
2014-06-20 05:08:32 PM  
1 vote:
Does anyone get the feeling that antivax stuff got started by the FSB or China in a covert attempt to destabilize our country?

The KGB started a lot of conspiracy theories to cause agitation back in the day.
2014-06-20 04:58:22 PM  
1 vote:
The trouble with the Internet is it gives instant access to dubious research to complete idiots.
2014-06-20 04:52:16 PM  
1 vote:

ChubbyTiger: moike: I took a shot with...

FARK HATES YOU REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:17PM
Sunshine, when you've got a free moment could you recommend the best copper crystal orgone rig for breaking up chemtrails?


And she actually responded with:
SUNSHINE REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:23PM
Wow Fark....that's nice! Chemtrails are real you can research it yourself. If you no anyone who happens to be in weather or is a former Air Force pilot, you could pick their brain, you see, I've already don't this and made my decisions based on different criteria. When I speak to a man who was red Onside fir attaching canisters if barium salts in the airplane I tend to listen. When I see the trails start overhead, I actually take serious notice, because you see...I live in the Rocky Mountains and I live in the middle of nowhere, the norm is usually three to five planes a week flying overhead to larger city's, but when the planes spray, there will 10- 12 planes flying high altitude in the same hour. It's not my job to convince you, it's your job to get your head thinking and testing everything against what you think you know.

So... There you go.

Ok, Sunshine is trolling. Right? Nobody is really that bad, are they?


I take it you've never been to the bay area?  People like this are a dime a dozen over there.  People that if you met them might seem like otherwise intelligent individuals no less.  It's mind boggling really.
2014-06-20 04:33:59 PM  
1 vote:

SewerSquirrels: but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry


Vaccines are actually one of the few areas where there is intense oversight in the pharmaceutical industry from NGOs and Governments, because they are considered matters essential to public health and national security. And their money actually depends on it. Vaccines are heavily subsidized by the US Government and most western governments in general, because there is NO money in it when compared with things like BP meds and Statins.
2014-06-20 04:29:25 PM  
1 vote:

No Such Agency: White_Scarf_Syndrome: [img.fark.net image 685x834]

omg.  I have never been so thoroughly cock blocked in my little troll life.


HOLY CRAP!

You won't believe this but I have never even seen that first version you posted.  I didn't even see your post when I hit add comment.

So my intention wasn't to harsh your troll, bro.  My intention wasn't anything.  Just a little bit of um...synchronocity? Or something?  I'm not that smrt.
2014-06-20 04:29:10 PM  
1 vote:

uber humper: What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life


Most people don't advertise it like they do online. And many people in real life are not zealots, they are just scared because they have heard things that anti-vaxxers have put out thanks to "Tell both sides of the story" media outlets and google-bombing by anti-vax groups.

My ex's brother was SEVERELY autistic and at the level of a 5 year old, and his parents were in an autism support group for the area we lived in at the time. Most of them blamed vaccines for their children being "different", and genuinely seemed to feel like they were victims of big pharma.

Something to understand about local anti-vax groups is that they frequently troll news stories about vaccination. I actually had the leader of "Thinking Mom's Revolution" Memphis chapter try to get me in trouble with my workplace because I throughly cockblocked her attempt to play propaganda on the local news site, and even outed her as a shill for the group
2014-06-20 04:27:16 PM  
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uber humper: What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life.


It's not a very high percentage, but the problem is that it only takes a handful to screw it up for everyone.
2014-06-20 04:23:19 PM  
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Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.


Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.
2014-06-20 04:21:05 PM  
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omg.  I have never been so thoroughly cock blocked in my little troll life.
2014-06-20 04:17:30 PM  
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"From the moment of the injury, society picks the person up off the 
highway; delivers him to a municipal hospital and municipal doctors; 
provides him with unemployment compensation if, after recovery, he 
cannot replace his lost job, and, if the injury causes permanent 
disability, may assume the responsibility for his and his family's 
continued subsistence. We do not understand a state of mind that 
permits plaintiff to think that only he himself is concerned." 
-Simon v. Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
2014-06-20 04:14:32 PM  
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As a side note, you sound like a freaking idiot when you say that. It demonstrates your complete ignorance of basic concepts of biology, immune system function, and medicine.
2014-06-20 04:11:30 PM  
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I am sad that their children will probably die of a disease that was, for all intents and purposes, eradicated in a first world nation. On the bright side though, this will have successfully culled the herd of defectives.
2014-06-20 04:10:57 PM  
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I had some moran tell me that pharmaceutical companies made a ton of profit on the swine flu vaccine. They sold $4.3 billion worth. The funny thing? They sold 600 million of them. So they sold for $7.17 each. That is not profit, that is sale price, on a vaccine they worked extra overtime to produce (so higher R&D cost).

Anti vaxxers are farking idiots who can't be reasoned with. If I ever catch whooping cough, I am suing every anti-vaxxer I can find
2014-06-20 03:57:01 PM  
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Destructor: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
...faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry...

Ahh, let's do everything we possibly can do avoid that. I mean, hey, what do they know? Science. That's their answer for everything. But do they know what the religion says about vaccinations!? Of course not. Because they're stupid... Stupid stupid stupid stupid!

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I bet Sunshine has been on a cocktail of antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds her entire life.
2014-06-20 03:56:56 PM  
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toraque: You know, I think I'm going to reconsider my stance on anti-vaxxers. They're just assisting mother nature by choosing to be naturally selected against.


No, they're just creating breeding grounds for the virus to mutate, which will then infect vaccinated individuals as well.  Anti-vaccine kooks threaten everyone.
2014-06-20 03:52:30 PM  
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tricycleracer: It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.

Venn diagram fail.


Ehh, there was a megachurch in the Dallas area that was anti-vax for a while. Then they had a massive measles outbreak which changed their tune.
2014-06-20 03:50:42 PM  
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Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.




Miss Sunshine is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Before I knew it was a thing, I used to think of them as people who were so dumb, they actually think that they are smart.
2014-06-20 03:50:40 PM  
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On the plus side, adult pertussis will shred your abs unlike any exercise program you haven't managed to keep up with.
2014-06-20 03:48:12 PM  
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Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.
2014-06-20 03:47:12 PM  
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The comments made me want to go find someone named Sunshine and punch them in the throat.
2014-06-20 03:40:10 PM  
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