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(Berkeley)   UC Berkley's head epidemiologist on the return of pertussis. The TL:DR? "We're screwed"   (alumni.berkeley.edu) divider line 187
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2014-06-20 05:11:47 PM  

AlHarris31: Does anyone get the feeling that antivax stuff got started by the FSB or China in a covert attempt to destabilize our country?

The KGB started a lot of conspiracy theories to cause agitation back in the day.


The Soviets at least knew better than to mess with anti-vaccination programs.  They were actually one of the biggest proponents of the program to eradicate of smallpox.
 
2014-06-20 05:13:13 PM  

PhilGed: White_Scarf_Syndrome:
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Except that's not true.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/questionsaboutvac ci nes/ucm070430

The limit for water is 2ppb or .002 mg (.000002 grams)

The limit for older vaccines with Themerisol (49.6% mercury) is .01% or 50 mcg (.00005 grams) in a .5ml dose - or about .000025 since only half is mercury.

So you're not getting 20,000 times more.  You're getting about 2.5 times more of an incredibly tiny dose.

And that's before you take into account you drink 6,000 times more water each day than you'd get in a vaccine.


Thank you for the exact numbers...but I was posting that to show how dumb and wrong it was.  I work with dangerous chemicals all day long.  The MSDS is my bible, yo.

Even though my kid is vaccinated, I really do worry about all the other kids at his daycare.  Oh well.  Just keep pumping him full of spinach and green beans and chicken and hope for the best.
 
2014-06-20 05:13:24 PM  

Stile4aly: They were actually one of the biggest proponents of the program to eradicate of smallpox.


To be fair, it was also because they were afraid that small pox would be used as a biological weapon against them, as they were developing their own biological weapons using the virus.
 
2014-06-20 05:14:54 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Thank you for the exact numbers...but I was posting that to show how dumb and wrong it was.  I work with dangerous chemicals all day long.  The MSDS is my bible, yo.

Even though my kid is vaccinated, I really do worry about all the other kids at his daycare.  Oh well.  Just keep pumping him full of spinach and green beans and chicken and hope for the best


Well, in addition to the fact that Ethyl Mercury =/= Elemental or Methyl Mercury.

That there are different forms of mercury, with different metabolic profiles, retention half-lifes, mechanisms of toxicity, and pathways of detoxification using cellular mechanisms boggles the mind of the average anti-vaxxer. They honestly think people pour elemental mercury into a vial.
 
2014-06-20 05:16:08 PM  

uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.


Apparently there's a movement among Hispanics to switch there Census race information from White to Hispanic. I'm not sure that's a trend among recent immigrants--legal or otherwise.
 
2014-06-20 05:16:23 PM  
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2014-06-20 05:20:17 PM  

Kahabut: I take it you've never been to the bay area?  People like this are a dime a dozen over there.


Dude, I live in Santa Cruz, part of the SF Bay Area.

It's full of people -exactly- like her.  Which is why I asked about chemtrail busters.
 
2014-06-20 05:20:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: SewerSquirrels: but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry

Vaccines are actually one of the few areas where there is intense oversight in the pharmaceutical industry from NGOs and Governments, because they are considered matters essential to public health and national security. And their money actually depends on it. Vaccines are heavily subsidized by the US Government and most western governments in general, because there is NO money in it when compared with things like BP meds and Statins.


Thanks for clarifying. That's good because I had my heart set on...myocardial infarction. It's really popular these days.
 
2014-06-20 05:21:39 PM  

Stile4aly: uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.

Immigrants from Central or South America don't simply teleport to the border, they have to travel through Mexico.  The fact that there isn't a pertussis outbreak in Mexico demonstrates that immigrants are not transmitting the virus.  Vaccination rates in these countries are better than in the US.  This is a rich whitey problem.


Wow ,apparently so. I'm sure Orange County must getting hit pretty hard, then.

I didn't realize, in 2014, there were 800 new cases in California.  I come from a medical family and have rarely heard whooping cough come up outside of a historical reference.
 
2014-06-20 05:23:10 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.

Apparently there's a movement among Hispanics to switch there Census race information from White to Hispanic. I'm not sure that's a trend among recent immigrants--legal or otherwise.


I'm not sure illegal fill out census forms.
 
2014-06-20 05:23:31 PM  

hardinparamedic: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Thank you for the exact numbers...but I was posting that to show how dumb and wrong it was.  I work with dangerous chemicals all day long.  The MSDS is my bible, yo.

Even though my kid is vaccinated, I really do worry about all the other kids at his daycare.  Oh well.  Just keep pumping him full of spinach and green beans and chicken and hope for the best

Well, in addition to the fact that Ethyl Mercury =/= Elemental or Methyl Mercury.

That there are different forms of mercury, with different metabolic profiles, retention half-lifes, mechanisms of toxicity, and pathways of detoxification using cellular mechanisms boggles the mind of the average anti-vaxxer. They honestly think people pour elemental mercury into a vial.


I think all you would need to do to convince people to give the Tdap vaccine is to just play a recording of 6 month old nearly nearly dying from cracked ribs from pertussis.  That cough is farking terrifying to hear for me.  I'd be losing my mind when all you can do is give antibiotics.  Great now I'm depressed.
 
2014-06-20 05:26:01 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: I think all you would need to do to convince people to give the Tdap vaccine is to just play a recording of 6 month old nearly nearly dying from cracked ribs from pertussis.  That cough is farking terrifying to hear for me.  I'd be losing my mind when all you can do is give antibiotics.  Great now I'm depressed.


As someone who has seen that first hand (In 2011) in a patient we transported, I can tell you that giving that story doesn't do a damn thing to sway people, sadly.

/Transport was a biatch, by the way. Every time the kid would cough, you'd have to reset the ventilator because he'd peak out his pressures.
 
2014-06-20 05:27:05 PM  

stan unusual: It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.

Check out the WHO data on Mexico's vaccination rates and even some of the nations in Central America- they're as high or higher than the areas of this country where the anti-vaxers are concentrated.  If we're discussing tropical diseases or small outbreaks of diseases that are endemic in another part of the world because they have a zoonotic phase that relies on animals not native to the US or North America- yes, for those diseases we can blame immigrants, but we also have to blame US travelers to those areas as well which puts a big dent in your nativist narrative.  Case in point- the only cases of MARS in the US were US citizens and permanent residents who had traveled to the middle east to work in health care there,


Uh, unless there's some special exception coming legally to this country must be vaccinated.  My wife's family (colombia) has had to get them all before they can visit.
 
2014-06-20 05:29:34 PM  

SewerSquirrels: I'm not an anti-vaxer and, hell, I even get the flu shot every year because I'm aware that vaccines have eradicated or nearly eradicated diseases, but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry. Maybe it's good that we have dipshiats like Jenny McCarthy in the world to help keep them honest.

I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.


You think Jenny McCarthy is keeping them Honest?

LetMeLaughHarder.jpg

/research what they did to the hemophiliacs
//distrusts big pharmacy, but believes in vaccines
 
2014-06-20 05:29:57 PM  

wildcardjack: On the plus side, adult pertussis will shred your abs unlike any exercise program you haven't managed to keep up with.


This would explain a few things. *snerk* I have asthma (don't smoke around your children, folks) and whenever i get sick I spend a few weeks coughing until I vomit or pee myself. My torso is currently rocking a post-workout burn that confuses me greatly, seeing as it's been bed rest and ESPN for me this last week. *lol*

Felgraf: Better call my physician-especially since the wife works at a day care, and I'll be volunteering at a summer camp. Wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I got some kid sick. =/.

BFF works in a daycare/preschool, and they over-sanitize that place so hard that everyone is constantly getting sick.  She's had more illnesses from that job than from any other.

That said... I need to stop reading comment threads, 'cuz Little miss Sunshine's derp is a deep one and I'm already in a weakened state from illness... get thee behind me Satan.
 
2014-06-20 05:31:36 PM  

uber humper: Stile4aly: uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.

Immigrants from Central or South America don't simply teleport to the border, they have to travel through Mexico.  The fact that there isn't a pertussis outbreak in Mexico demonstrates that immigrants are not transmitting the virus.  Vaccination rates in these countries are better than in the US.  This is a rich whitey problem.

Wow ,apparently so. I'm sure Orange County must getting hit pretty hard, then.

I didn't realize, in 2014, there were 800 new cases in California.  I come from a medical family and have rarely heard whooping cough come up outside of a historical reference.


Damn.  I actually convinced someone with facts in a civil discussion on Fark.  Am I in Bizarro world?
 
2014-06-20 05:32:30 PM  

SewerSquirrels: I'm not an anti-vaxer and, hell, I even get the flu shot every year because I'm aware that vaccines have eradicated or nearly eradicated diseases, but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry. Maybe it's good that we have dipshiats like Jenny McCarthy in the world to help keep them honest.

I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.


Considering that 1:500 patients with Chicken Pox get herpes encephalopathy, that's why the old ways are not the best.

Medic Zero: You think Jenny McCarthy is keeping them Honest?

LetMeLaughHarder.jpg

/research what they did to the hemophiliacs
//distrusts big pharmacy, but believes in vaccines


I don't know about you, but I strip my uniform off at the door before I go in my house. Too afraid I'd bring home something.
 
2014-06-20 05:33:48 PM  

Lexx: Easy solution to the anti-vaccers: add a surcharge to their health insurance.  A *massive* one.  Also, deny access to the following public services: education, transit, and medical.  The public policy should be that people who risk the public health are denied access to public services.


So, all Republicans then?
 
2014-06-20 05:34:11 PM  
Hooray for Obama's open borders


lonelyconservative.com


steelturman.typepad.com
 
2014-06-20 05:38:35 PM  

hammer85: stan unusual: It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.

Check out the WHO data on Mexico's vaccination rates and even some of the nations in Central America- they're as high or higher than the areas of this country where the anti-vaxers are concentrated.  If we're discussing tropical diseases or small outbreaks of diseases that are endemic in another part of the world because they have a zoonotic phase that relies on animals not native to the US or North America- yes, for those diseases we can blame immigrants, but we also have to blame US travelers to those areas as well which puts a big dent in your nativist narrative.  Case in point- the only cases of MARS in the US were US citizens and permanent residents who had traveled to the middle east to work in health care there,

Uh, unless there's some special exception coming legally to this country must be vaccinated.  My wife's family (colombia) has had to get them all before they can visit.


Religious exemptions and allergies are a couple. I think there's also some sort of promissory affidavit that guardians can sign for young children who aren't vaccinated promising to have them done within a certain time after entering the US... like 60 days or some such.
 
2014-06-20 05:43:43 PM  

MycroftHolmes: toraque: Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.

You know, I think I'm going to reconsider my stance on anti-vaxxers.  They're just assisting mother nature by choosing to be naturally selected against.

The problem is, since no vaccine is 100% effective, they often take down some innocent bystanders.



Yep.  Innocent people like my oldest son who had a severe, life-threatening reaction to his first pertussis vaccine.  He could not receive additional vaccines.  I was terrified that he might contract pertussis as an infant.  Even after watching him nearly die from a vaccine reaction,  we fully vaccinated our children.

I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....
 
2014-06-20 05:45:27 PM  
Professor Arthur Reingold, come on down and collect your Glaxo/Smith/Kline Public Relations trophy !!

robertkaplinsky.com

.. they don't call it drug money for nothing ..
 
2014-06-20 05:48:05 PM  

zena: I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....


Oddly enough, pretty much all schools have religious exemption clauses. The constitution is a real biatch when it works the other way around, sometimes.
 
2014-06-20 05:48:41 PM  

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


Derp!
 
2014-06-20 05:48:56 PM  

Destructor: brap: I just got my Tdap booster.

I literally could not believe there was an outbreak of this in Illinois. I thought my Doc was kidding. So, I joked back, "Nah, lets skip it... I'm afraid of getting 'the Autism'..."

He looked at me skeptically.

"Yes, that's right. An adult is afraid of getting a neural developmental disorder..." He laughed... And then I realized what kind of people he's been dealing with around here.  (Of course I got the damned shot.)

As a race, we're pretty much doomed. Enjoy the slide into oblivion while you still can!


I just got my TDAP for international travel.  I am 43.  I asked the nurse if I would catch autism.  She looked at me and said 'It is a little late for that'.


Now I am not sure how she meant that
 
2014-06-20 05:55:53 PM  

SewerSquirrels: I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.


Chicken Pox Party! Come one, come all! If your toddler hasn't had 'em yet there's no time to stall. Hip hooray yippee, oh happy day, the day you spot 'em. Nobody told me I had never had 'em, now I got 'em. Have I hit the bottom yet?
 
2014-06-20 05:56:05 PM  

Wangiss: lacrossestar83: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.

So is everything else you read.

It's you.


No, it's reality.
 
2014-06-20 05:57:48 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Professor Arthur Reingold, come on down and collect your Glaxo/Smith/Kline Public Relations trophy !!

[robertkaplinsky.com image 850x637]

.. they don't call it drug money for nothing ..


There are times I hope that the revolution comes, troll, because you would be the first against the wall when Obama's jackbooted big Pharma thugs put a size 12 in your anus.
 
2014-06-20 05:59:34 PM  

MycroftHolmes: I just got my TDAP for international travel. I am 43. I asked the nurse if I would catch autism. She looked at me and said 'It is a little late for that'.


Now I am not sure how she meant that


Oh, I think we all know how she meant it.
 
2014-06-20 06:10:45 PM  

ElLoco: zena: I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....

Oddly enough, pretty much all schools have religious exemption clauses. The constitution is a real biatch when it works the other way around, sometimes.



This is one of the very few times that I just don't think we should allow religious exemption.
 
2014-06-20 06:11:24 PM  
it's spelt Berzerkeley, subby

thanks, Dr Jenny
 
2014-06-20 06:12:54 PM  

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


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The President that has deported moreillegalsthananyone.
 
2014-06-20 06:15:42 PM  
iron de havilland:

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.

So is everything else you read.

It's you.

No, it's reality.


Reality always supports one's own political beliefs. You can expand access to health care without forcing other people to contribute For example, you yourself could start a free vaccinations program, hiring off-duty nurses to help vaccinate people at a church on weekdays. Too much work, or you don't care enough? Make someone else do it, right?

How about you bring all the nurses to a party at my house afterwards? That'll be my contribution.
 
2014-06-20 06:18:16 PM  

zena: ElLoco: zena: I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....

Oddly enough, pretty much all schools have religious exemption clauses. The constitution is a real biatch when it works the other way around, sometimes.


This is one of the very few times that I just don't think we should allow religious exemption.


West Virginia does not. It's rare for West Virginia to be the voice of reason, but in this case, they're spot on.
 
2014-06-20 06:19:39 PM  

70Ford: hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


[lonelyconservative.com image 850x1133]


[steelturman.typepad.com image 230x198]

The President that has deported moreillegalsthananyone.


Of course, because he let so many in in the first place, unlike every other president that effectively stopped them at the border.

When you have 3 billion illegals in the country its a lot easier to deport more of them than the days of Reagan when only the lucky got in.
 
2014-06-20 06:25:19 PM  

Wangiss: iron de havilland:

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.

So is everything else you read.

It's you.

No, it's reality.

Reality always supports one's own political beliefs. You can expand access to health care without forcing other people to contribute For example, you yourself could start a free vaccinations program, hiring off-duty nurses to help vaccinate people at a church on weekdays. Too much work, or you don't care enough? Make someone else do it, right?

How about you bring all the nurses to a party at my house afterwards? That'll be my contribution.


Sorry, I'd like to retract my comment.

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.
 
2014-06-20 06:26:20 PM  

70Ford: hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


[lonelyconservative.com image 850x1133]


[steelturman.typepad.com image 230x198]

The President that has deported moreillegalsthananyone.




Obama 'Deporter in Chief' Myth Debunked by Former Homeland Security Sec

In an interview with Conan Nolan of NBC Los Angeles on Sunday, Janet Napolitano, who is now the president of the University of California system, was asked whether criticism of her from the left that she was "overzealous in the deportation of undocumented immigrants" was unfair.

"I think it was, actually," Napolitano said. "It didn't look at the whole picture. A lot of those deportations were individuals who were captured right at the border so they had not yet entered the United States."

Napolitano then said, "because of the way we handled them differently than prior administrations, they got counted differently."
 
2014-06-20 06:31:01 PM  
iron de havilland:

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.


I might have some vague stuff to say about you as well. ooga booga!

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.

Are you like Percy Jackson's cousin or something?
 
2014-06-20 06:43:57 PM  
dayum, I better get my eyes checked, I read that first as 'the return of perfume'.

I was, like, when did it ever go away?

/don't miss working in the corporate cube farm with the chemical warfare duchess.
 
2014-06-20 06:48:06 PM  

Lexx: Easy solution to the anti-vaccers: add a surcharge to their health insurance.  A *massive* one.  Also, deny access to the following public services: education, transit, and medical.  The public policy should be that people who risk the public health are denied access to public services.


Better solution: You get vaccinated unless there's an evidence-based, scientifically-recognized reason for you personally not to be vaccinated. No religious or "philosophical" exemptions. No "I've googled Mercola and NVIC and as a mommy I JUST KNOW they're bad." Your right to be a window-licking Derpistani ends where everyone else's right to avoid plague vectors begins.

If you don't, your children get taken away and you get to live in the Pest House until you are vaccinated.
 
2014-06-20 06:49:58 PM  

Wangiss: iron de havilland:

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.

I might have some vague stuff to say about you as well. ooga booga!


This image is new to you?

i.imgur.com

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.

Are you like Percy Jackson's cousin or something?


Good evening sir.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-20 06:53:38 PM  

iron de havilland: Wangiss: iron de havilland:

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.

I might have some vague stuff to say about you as well. ooga booga!

This image is new to you?

[i.imgur.com image 315x466]

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.

Are you like Percy Jackson's cousin or something?

Good evening sir.

[i.imgur.com image 25x28]


It is not new to me.
 
2014-06-20 06:55:54 PM  

hardinparamedic: Clemkadidlefark: Professor Arthur Reingold, come on down and collect your Glaxo/Smith/Kline Public Relations trophy !!

[robertkaplinsky.com image 850x637]

.. they don't call it drug money for nothing ..

There are times I hope that the revolution comes, troll, because you would be the first against the wall when Obama's jackbooted big Pharma thugs put a size 12 in your anus.


If they don't I'd be happy to do it for free.
 
2014-06-20 07:01:20 PM  

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


Yes, 400,000 deportations per year is open borders.

Not closed enough, you say?  Fine.  Expand the Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment about tenfold and maybe then you might be satisfied.

Oh wait, then you'll be complaining about your taxes.  Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment goons agents don't work for free.
 
2014-06-20 07:09:16 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


Why was ALUMINUM spelled out in all caps?  Oh never mind....I got vaccinated as a kid and I'm not dead yet.  I know I never caught whooping cough or polio.

part of me wants to talk to whoever wrote that and try to discuss it rationally, but it would probably be a waste of time.

/I hate big pharma too, but vaccines aren't part of some evil plot.
 
2014-06-20 07:10:09 PM  

uber humper: hardinparamedic: uber humper: What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life

Most people don't advertise it like they do online. And many people in real life are not zealots, they are just scared because they have heard things that anti-vaxxers have put out thanks to "Tell both sides of the story" media outlets and google-bombing by anti-vax groups.

My ex's brother was SEVERELY autistic and at the level of a 5 year old, and his parents were in an autism support group for the area we lived in at the time. Most of them blamed vaccines for their children being "different", and genuinely seemed to feel like they were victims of big pharma.

Something to understand about local anti-vax groups is that they frequently troll news stories about vaccination. I actually had the leader of "Thinking Mom's Revolution" Memphis chapter try to get me in trouble with my workplace because I throughly cockblocked her attempt to play propaganda on the local news site, and even outed her as a shill for the group

I always had a feeling Jenny McCarthy's kid was victim of big pharma.  Colombian based phama, that is


That made me lol hard. Well done
 
2014-06-20 07:18:53 PM  

gfid: Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.

Why was ALUMINUM spelled out in all caps?  Oh never mind....I got vaccinated as a kid and I'm not dead yet.  I know I never caught whooping cough or polio.

part of me wants to talk to whoever wrote that and try to discuss it rationally, but it would probably be a waste of time.

/I hate big pharma too, but vaccines aren't part of some evil plot.


And with an "i" in it as well. I'm supposing those are linked, but correlation doesn't equal causation.
 
2014-06-20 07:29:31 PM  
 
2014-06-20 07:31:36 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


I read a couple more of her comments.  Apparently Bill Gates is Hitler and herd immunity is merely a theory - much like the theory of gravity, I suppose.  I don't go outside afraid that I'll suddenly fall up into the sky.  It's only a theory though.  So far it's worked out.  I usually stick to the ground.

I wonder how many children will get sick and become crippled or even die before this anti-vax shiat is over with.
 
2014-06-20 07:37:41 PM  

hardinparamedic: bigdog1960: Extensive research. With top men, top men. Stupid coont. Sunshine jeebus.

When someone says they have done "extensive research", I've found that asking them what journal their research has been published in typically either gets them to go WHARGARBLing mad, or makes them point out they just read something on the internet.

Because the University of Google makes you more qualified to talk about vaccines than Doctors, Scientists, and health scholars.


I don't know about vaccines, I obviously think people should vaccinate their children.  But on everything else?  Yeah, spending some of your spare time reading about a subject ACTUALLY DOES often give you more knowledge than a doctor.  I've had doctors tell me that pot causes lung cancer (never has).  Doctors have told me that exercise helps release endorphins (debunked since the 1980's).  Doctors tell me that anti-depressants work better than placebos (they don't).
 
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