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(Berkeley)   UC Berkley's head epidemiologist on the return of pertussis. The TL:DR? "We're screwed"   (alumni.berkeley.edu) divider line 188
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2014-06-20 01:09:47 PM  
Oh my god.  The stupid in the comments.  It burns.
 
2014-06-20 02:39:39 PM  
Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.


And her replies... the derp flows in this one.
 
2014-06-20 02:50:32 PM  
For anyone thinking they shouldn't, don't need to, or it is unsafe to vaccinate a child, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIz8U_DMy8

Keep in mind, whooping cough lasts 4 months!  Not a few hours or days.  FOUR MONTHS!
 
2014-06-20 03:12:31 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


I loved how when one of her comments ended up censored and she screams "freedom of speech".

I don't think free speech means what she thinks it means.
 
2014-06-20 03:31:58 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


Extensive research. With top men, top men. Stupid coont. Sunshine jeebus.
 
2014-06-20 03:35:06 PM  

haemaker: For anyone thinking they shouldn't, don't need to, or it is unsafe to vaccinate a child, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIz8U_DMy8

Keep in mind, whooping cough lasts 4 months!  Not a few hours or days.  FOUR MONTHS!


I came down with whooping cough a few years ago, coughed so hard I shattered my ribs. Maybe people would vaccinate their kids if the commercial for it was a grown man sobbing as he tried to get out of his car at the urgent care facility.
 
2014-06-20 03:37:34 PM  

bigdog1960: Extensive research. With top men, top men. Stupid coont. Sunshine jeebus.


When someone says they have done "extensive research", I've found that asking them what journal their research has been published in typically either gets them to go WHARGARBLing mad, or makes them point out they just read something on the internet.

Because the University of Google makes you more qualified to talk about vaccines than Doctors, Scientists, and health scholars.
 
2014-06-20 03:38:47 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


I'm starting to re-think the bunker idea, not for a nuclear holocaust, but in fear of the day herds of people like her and her children roam the American plains like braying, retarded, diseased bison.
 
2014-06-20 03:39:12 PM  
So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.
 
2014-06-20 03:39:46 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.


FTFH.
 
2014-06-20 03:40:10 PM  
www.stuartduncan.name
 
2014-06-20 03:43:14 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.


That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.
 
2014-06-20 03:43:33 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: haemaker: For anyone thinking they shouldn't, don't need to, or it is unsafe to vaccinate a child, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIz8U_DMy8

Keep in mind, whooping cough lasts 4 months!  Not a few hours or days.  FOUR MONTHS!

I came down with whooping cough a few years ago, coughed so hard I shattered my ribs. Maybe people would vaccinate their kids if the commercial for it was a grown man sobbing as he tried to get out of his car at the urgent care facility.


Maybe, are you hot?
 
2014-06-20 03:46:45 PM  
Is it too soon to propose a "final solution" to vaccine denialists?  We can just quarantine them in camps.  The death part of the camps will take care of itself, thanks to their attitudes.
 
2014-06-20 03:47:02 PM  
The anti-vaccination nutjobs are proof that stupidity knows no political party. True, Republicans have made stupidity one of their bedrock principles, but the "natural" mommy (and some father) dipshiats are just as idiotic.

If only there were something we could do, like, pass a law or change an existing law to make clear that children who aren't vaccinated can't enroll in public school ... it wouldn't solve the whole problem but it'd be a start.
 
2014-06-20 03:47:12 PM  
The comments made me want to go find someone named Sunshine and punch them in the throat.
 
2014-06-20 03:47:38 PM  
I'm prepared.

img.magister.sk
 
2014-06-20 03:47:41 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


You know, I think I'm going to reconsider my stance on anti-vaxxers.  They're just assisting mother nature by choosing to be naturally selected against.
 
2014-06-20 03:47:51 PM  

BizarreMan: Oh my god.  The stupid in the comments.  It burns.


BizarreMan: Oh my god.  The stupid in the comments.  It burns.


It is also not uncommon. Good. I believe in the freedom of individuals to watch their children suffer and perhaps die in support of their ill-conceived fantasies. In fact, I encourage it.
 
2014-06-20 03:48:12 PM  
Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.
 
2014-06-20 03:48:30 PM  

toraque: Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.

You know, I think I'm going to reconsider my stance on anti-vaxxers.  They're just assisting mother nature by choosing to be naturally selected against.


The problem is, since no vaccine is 100% effective, they often take down some innocent bystanders.
 
2014-06-20 03:49:31 PM  

It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.


Venn diagram fail.
 
2014-06-20 03:50:40 PM  
On the plus side, adult pertussis will shred your abs unlike any exercise program you haven't managed to keep up with.
 
2014-06-20 03:50:42 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.




Miss Sunshine is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Before I knew it was a thing, I used to think of them as people who were so dumb, they actually think that they are smart.
 
2014-06-20 03:52:30 PM  

tricycleracer: It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.

Venn diagram fail.


Ehh, there was a megachurch in the Dallas area that was anti-vax for a while. Then they had a massive measles outbreak which changed their tune.
 
2014-06-20 03:53:16 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-20 03:54:20 PM  
I really have no problem with forcing people to do it. It's everyone's duty to help people that are too stupid to know they're harming themselves.
 
2014-06-20 03:54:34 PM  

ikanreed: Is it too soon to propose a "final solution" to vaccine denialists?  We can just quarantine them in camps.  The death part of the camps will take care of itself, thanks to their attitudes.


Deny them access to healthcare services or reimbursement if they opt out.

Oh you elected not to be vaccinated and now you can't breathe? There's the door or you pay full price out of your own pocket.
 
2014-06-20 03:54:44 PM  
I haven't seen this magazine before but apparently this is their "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIIIE" issue with some nice Japanese-influenced art:
alumni.berkeley.edu alumni.berkeley.edu alumni.berkeley.edu alumni.berkeley.edu alumni.berkeley.edu
http://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/summer-2014-apocalyps e
 
2014-06-20 03:55:04 PM  

Loucifer: I'm prepared.

[img.magister.sk image 300x298]


I went through a lot of this when I had whooping cough. Didn't even make a farking dent.
 
2014-06-20 03:55:20 PM  
I just got my Tdap booster.

So far the side affects have included me not dying of lockjaw, diptheria, or pneumonia.

Other side affects include not taking medical advice from models that made a name for themselves by shiatting for Candie's shoe adverts.
 
2014-06-20 03:55:36 PM  
Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
...faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry
...

Ahh, let's do everything we possibly can do avoid that. I mean, hey, what do they know? Science. That's their answer for everything. But do they know what the religion says about vaccinations!? Of course not. Because they're stupid... Stupid stupid stupid stupid!

i261.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-20 03:56:08 PM  
My kid can't have the pertussis vaccine because she had seizures as a baby, and there is a minute, slight, miniscule chance the vaccine could bring on a seizure, if the moon lines up with the earth just right and a unicorn flys by.  So, I'm pretty sure if they won't let her have a vaccine for that slight chance, if vaccines really carried a substantial risk of harm, no one would have them.  That said, if she gets pertussis because some random granola hippie earth mother won't vaccinate her children, I'm going after someone with a bat.  Herd immunity people.  It's an important thing.
 
2014-06-20 03:56:14 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I really have no problem with forcing people to do it. It's everyone's duty to help people that are too stupid to know they're harming themselves.


Then explain the closure of mental health facilities in this country and why they're cast out on the the street to suffer?

Christian Nation my ass.
 
2014-06-20 03:56:56 PM  

toraque: You know, I think I'm going to reconsider my stance on anti-vaxxers. They're just assisting mother nature by choosing to be naturally selected against.


No, they're just creating breeding grounds for the virus to mutate, which will then infect vaccinated individuals as well.  Anti-vaccine kooks threaten everyone.
 
2014-06-20 03:56:58 PM  

lacrossestar83: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.


So is everything else you read.

It's you.
 
2014-06-20 03:57:01 PM  

Destructor: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
...faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry...

Ahh, let's do everything we possibly can do avoid that. I mean, hey, what do they know? Science. That's their answer for everything. But do they know what the religion says about vaccinations!? Of course not. Because they're stupid... Stupid stupid stupid stupid!

[i261.photobucket.com image 320x240]


I bet Sunshine has been on a cocktail of antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds her entire life.
 
2014-06-20 03:57:59 PM  

Repo Man:
Miss Sunshine is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Before I knew it was a thing, I used to think of them as people who were so dumb, they actually think that they are smart.


37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-20 04:00:19 PM  
shiat, I can't remember if my TDAP is out of date or not. (College and Grad school have kind of fried my mind on how long ago I got those).

Better call my physician-especially since the wife works at a day care, and I'll be volunteering at a summer camp. Wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I got some kid sick. =/.
 
2014-06-20 04:01:33 PM  

brap: I just got my Tdap booster.


I literally could not believe there was an outbreak of this in Illinois. I thought my Doc was kidding. So, I joked back, "Nah, lets skip it... I'm afraid of getting 'the Autism'..."

He looked at me skeptically.

"Yes, that's right. An adult is afraid of getting a neural developmental disorder..." He laughed... And then I realized what kind of people he's been dealing with around here.  (Of course I got the damned shot.)

As a race, we're pretty much doomed. Enjoy the slide into oblivion while you still can!
 
2014-06-20 04:03:26 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: children who aren't vaccinated can't enroll in public school


I'm pretty sure that would just make the position more generational while giving them a legitimate gripe at second-class citizenship.

ikanreed: The death part of the camps will take care of itself


You wouldn't be murdering people; you'd just be letting them die like they deserve!

MycroftHolmes: The comments made me want to go find someone named Sunshine and punch them in the throat.


Berkeley does that to everyone.

MycroftHolmes:

The problem is, since no vaccine is 100% effective, they often take down some innocent bystanders.

www.joblo.com

"Good."
 
2014-06-20 04:03:29 PM  

tricycleracer: I bet Sunshine has been on a cocktail of antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds her entire life.


We need a race for the cure for Narcissism..... :-)
 
2014-06-20 04:04:41 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.


Because they're the kind of people who have all their papers in order and obey all the relevant laws?
 
2014-06-20 04:06:32 PM  

It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.


Check out the WHO data on Mexico's vaccination rates and even some of the nations in Central America- they're as high or higher than the areas of this country where the anti-vaxers are concentrated.  If we're discussing tropical diseases or small outbreaks of diseases that are endemic in another part of the world because they have a zoonotic phase that relies on animals not native to the US or North America- yes, for those diseases we can blame immigrants, but we also have to blame US travelers to those areas as well which puts a big dent in your nativist narrative.  Case in point- the only cases of MARS in the US were US citizens and permanent residents who had traveled to the middle east to work in health care there,
 
2014-06-20 04:06:43 PM  

Loucifer: I'm prepared.

[img.magister.sk image 300x298]


You know what doesn't work against whooping cough? Cough suppressants.

\they do help a little. they slightly desensitize the triggers for a coughing fit.
\\they're about an effective as the goggles once it's started, though
 
2014-06-20 04:10:34 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-20 04:10:57 PM  
I had some moran tell me that pharmaceutical companies made a ton of profit on the swine flu vaccine. They sold $4.3 billion worth. The funny thing? They sold 600 million of them. So they sold for $7.17 each. That is not profit, that is sale price, on a vaccine they worked extra overtime to produce (so higher R&D cost).

Anti vaxxers are farking idiots who can't be reasoned with. If I ever catch whooping cough, I am suing every anti-vaxxer I can find
 
2014-06-20 04:11:30 PM  
I am sad that their children will probably die of a disease that was, for all intents and purposes, eradicated in a first world nation. On the bright side though, this will have successfully culled the herd of defectives.
 
2014-06-20 04:12:09 PM  
ashlita.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-20 04:13:34 PM  
I read many of those comments. What in the actual Fark is wrong with those people? The derp is so herpy that my brain melted and hour the out you but foreign drug company Nash.

/purple monkey dishwasher
 
2014-06-20 04:14:32 PM  

No Such Agency: [ashiata.files.wordpress.com image 420x294]


img.fark.net

As a side note, you sound like a freaking idiot when you say that. It demonstrates your complete ignorance of basic concepts of biology, immune system function, and medicine.
 
2014-06-20 04:17:02 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


She misspelled infromed.

You know how Seinfeld made yada, yada famous. Maybe we could do this with derpa, derpa.
 
2014-06-20 04:17:28 PM  

Wangiss: You wouldn't be murdering people; you'd just be letting them die like they deserve!


You didn't you catch the possibility that it might be a joke by the time I was invoking the actual farking holocaust?
 
2014-06-20 04:17:30 PM  
"From the moment of the injury, society picks the person up off the 
highway; delivers him to a municipal hospital and municipal doctors; 
provides him with unemployment compensation if, after recovery, he 
cannot replace his lost job, and, if the injury causes permanent 
disability, may assume the responsibility for his and his family's 
continued subsistence. We do not understand a state of mind that 
permits plaintiff to think that only he himself is concerned." 
-Simon v. Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
 
2014-06-20 04:19:43 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: [img.fark.net image 685x834]


That has far too many adjectives to be objectively convincing.
 
2014-06-20 04:19:50 PM  
I just learned to speed read, so I'll give you brief recap:

1. There's a lot of pertussis in Berkeley, so you should be fine as long as you don't smell like patchouli and wear Birkenstocks.
2. Whoopies are a common symptptom of adults.
3. Cocoon with the herd.
4. California has a lot of colors with no useful explaation as to what they mean.

You are welcome.
 
2014-06-20 04:20:58 PM  
Big whoop.
 
2014-06-20 04:21:05 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: [img.fark.net image 685x834]


omg.  I have never been so thoroughly cock blocked in my little troll life.
 
2014-06-20 04:23:07 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.


good point. the poors are dangerous.
 
2014-06-20 04:23:19 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.


Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.
 
2014-06-20 04:23:51 PM  
What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life.
 
2014-06-20 04:27:16 PM  

uber humper: What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life.


It's not a very high percentage, but the problem is that it only takes a handful to screw it up for everyone.
 
2014-06-20 04:27:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: No Such Agency: [ashiata.files.wordpress.com image 420x294]

[img.fark.net image 685x834]

As a side note, you sound like a freaking idiot when you say that. It demonstrates your complete ignorance of basic concepts of biology, immune system function, and medicine.


Oh wow, I had never actually seen the original someEcard.  I thought the one I posted was the original infographic or whatever.  Interesting.
 
2014-06-20 04:29:10 PM  

uber humper: What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life


Most people don't advertise it like they do online. And many people in real life are not zealots, they are just scared because they have heard things that anti-vaxxers have put out thanks to "Tell both sides of the story" media outlets and google-bombing by anti-vax groups.

My ex's brother was SEVERELY autistic and at the level of a 5 year old, and his parents were in an autism support group for the area we lived in at the time. Most of them blamed vaccines for their children being "different", and genuinely seemed to feel like they were victims of big pharma.

Something to understand about local anti-vax groups is that they frequently troll news stories about vaccination. I actually had the leader of "Thinking Mom's Revolution" Memphis chapter try to get me in trouble with my workplace because I throughly cockblocked her attempt to play propaganda on the local news site, and even outed her as a shill for the group
 
2014-06-20 04:29:25 PM  

No Such Agency: White_Scarf_Syndrome: [img.fark.net image 685x834]

omg.  I have never been so thoroughly cock blocked in my little troll life.


HOLY CRAP!

You won't believe this but I have never even seen that first version you posted.  I didn't even see your post when I hit add comment.

So my intention wasn't to harsh your troll, bro.  My intention wasn't anything.  Just a little bit of um...synchronocity? Or something?  I'm not that smrt.
 
2014-06-20 04:29:59 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Oh wow, I had never actually seen the original someEcard.  I thought the one I posted was the original infographic or whatever.  Interesting.


If you use facebook, add "Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes", and be prepared to feel ashamed for humanity in general. Every one of the ones they make are based on Anti-Vaxxer memes.
 
2014-06-20 04:30:00 PM  

Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.


That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.
 
2014-06-20 04:31:37 PM  
I'm not an anti-vaxer and, hell, I even get the flu shot every year because I'm aware that vaccines have eradicated or nearly eradicated diseases, but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry. Maybe it's good that we have dipshiats like Jenny McCarthy in the world to help keep them honest.

I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.
 
2014-06-20 04:32:37 PM  

lohphat:

Oh you elected not to be vaccinated and now you can't breathe? There's the door or you pay full price out of your own pocket.

It's always nice to see people dehumanize others to the point that they're willing to watch them die. You may say "that's what they're doing" and you'd be right. Isn't it great that other people are evil, too?

lohphat: Christian Nation my ass.


This is where the Christians need to step up and open facilities for the mentally disabled. That's how they can back up their claim. Not by making other people help. You get no moral credit for forcing other people to do good.
 
2014-06-20 04:32:51 PM  
I took a shot with...

FARK HATES YOU REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:17PM
Sunshine, when you've got a free moment could you recommend the best copper crystal orgone rig for breaking up chemtrails?



And she actually responded with:
SUNSHINE REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:23PM
Wow Fark....that's nice! Chemtrails are real you can research it yourself. If you no anyone who happens to be in weather or is a former Air Force pilot, you could pick their brain, you see, I've already don't this and made my decisions based on different criteria. When I speak to a man who was red Onside fir attaching canisters if barium salts in the airplane I tend to listen. When I see the trails start overhead, I actually take serious notice, because you see...I live in the Rocky Mountains and I live in the middle of nowhere, the norm is usually three to five planes a week flying overhead to larger city's, but when the planes spray, there will 10- 12 planes flying high altitude in the same hour. It's not my job to convince you, it's your job to get your head thinking and testing everything against what you think you know.


So... There you go.
 
2014-06-20 04:33:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: uber humper: What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life

Most people don't advertise it like they do online. And many people in real life are not zealots, they are just scared because they have heard things that anti-vaxxers have put out thanks to "Tell both sides of the story" media outlets and google-bombing by anti-vax groups.

My ex's brother was SEVERELY autistic and at the level of a 5 year old, and his parents were in an autism support group for the area we lived in at the time. Most of them blamed vaccines for their children being "different", and genuinely seemed to feel like they were victims of big pharma.

Something to understand about local anti-vax groups is that they frequently troll news stories about vaccination. I actually had the leader of "Thinking Mom's Revolution" Memphis chapter try to get me in trouble with my workplace because I throughly cockblocked her attempt to play propaganda on the local news site, and even outed her as a shill for the group


I always had a feeling Jenny McCarthy's kid was victim of big pharma.  Colombian based phama, that is
 
2014-06-20 04:33:59 PM  

SewerSquirrels: but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry


Vaccines are actually one of the few areas where there is intense oversight in the pharmaceutical industry from NGOs and Governments, because they are considered matters essential to public health and national security. And their money actually depends on it. Vaccines are heavily subsidized by the US Government and most western governments in general, because there is NO money in it when compared with things like BP meds and Statins.
 
2014-06-20 04:34:15 PM  

Destructor: brap: I just got my Tdap booster.

I literally could not believe there was an outbreak of this in Illinois. I thought my Doc was kidding. So, I joked back, "Nah, lets skip it... I'm afraid of getting 'the Autism'..."

He looked at me skeptically.

"Yes, that's right. An adult is afraid of getting a neural developmental disorder..." He laughed... And then I realized what kind of people he's been dealing with around here.  (Of course I got the damned shot.)

As a race, we're pretty much doomed. Enjoy the slide into oblivion while you still can!


Thanks! I will! CHEERS
 
2014-06-20 04:38:11 PM  

moike: I took a shot with...

FARK HATES YOU REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:17PM
Sunshine, when you've got a free moment could you recommend the best copper crystal orgone rig for breaking up chemtrails?


And she actually responded with:
SUNSHINE REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:23PM
Wow Fark....that's nice! Chemtrails are real you can research it yourself. If you no anyone who happens to be in weather or is a former Air Force pilot, you could pick their brain, you see, I've already don't this and made my decisions based on different criteria. When I speak to a man who was red Onside fir attaching canisters if barium salts in the airplane I tend to listen. When I see the trails start overhead, I actually take serious notice, because you see...I live in the Rocky Mountains and I live in the middle of nowhere, the norm is usually three to five planes a week flying overhead to larger city's, but when the planes spray, there will 10- 12 planes flying high altitude in the same hour. It's not my job to convince you, it's your job to get your head thinking and testing everything against what you think you know.

So... There you go.


Ok, Sunshine is trolling. Right? Nobody is really that bad, are they?
 
2014-06-20 04:39:11 PM  

moike: I took a shot with...

FARK HATES YOU REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:17PM
Sunshine, when you've got a free moment could you recommend the best copper crystal orgone rig for breaking up chemtrails?


And she actually responded with:
SUNSHINE REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:23PM
Wow Fark....that's nice! Chemtrails are real you can research it yourself. If you no anyone who happens to be in weather or is a former Air Force pilot, you could pick their brain, you see, I've already don't this and made my decisions based on different criteria. When I speak to a man who was red Onside fir attaching canisters if barium salts in the airplane I tend to listen. When I see the trails start overhead, I actually take serious notice, because you see...I live in the Rocky Mountains and I live in the middle of nowhere, the norm is usually three to five planes a week flying overhead to larger city's, but when the planes spray, there will 10- 12 planes flying high altitude in the same hour. It's not my job to convince you, it's your job to get your head thinking and testing everything against what you think you know.

So... There you go.


That Sunshine character is a pretty textbook troll.  So many simple typos and consistent derp.  Pretty obvious.
 
2014-06-20 04:40:11 PM  

hardinparamedic: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Oh wow, I had never actually seen the original someEcard.  I thought the one I posted was the original infographic or whatever.  Interesting.

If you use facebook, add "Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes", and be prepared to feel ashamed for humanity in general. Every one of the ones they make are based on Anti-Vaxxer memes.



I found Refutations to Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes.

Jesus, the derp. It burns.  I like this one. And oooh I didn't notice the Infowars logo.  Even. More. Derp!

But what do I know, my Dad has been in Pharma for 35 years and his Dad was a Dr. for longer than that.  Hell, I used to run training programs for drug reps so they could sell their drugs more effectively.  Guess I'm in bed with Big Pharma.

Vomit!

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-20 04:41:23 PM  
Easy solution to the anti-vaccers: add a surcharge to their health insurance.  A *massive* one.  Also, deny access to the following public services: education, transit, and medical.  The public policy should be that people who risk the public health are denied access to public services.
 
2014-06-20 04:42:53 PM  

SewerSquirrels: I'm not an anti-vaxer and, hell, I even get the flu shot every year because I'm aware that vaccines have eradicated or nearly eradicated diseases, but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry. Maybe it's good that we have dipshiats like Jenny McCarthy in the world to help keep them honest.

I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.


The problem is that anti vaccine nuts don't "keep anyone honest", because honesty doesn't work on them.  Like religious fanatics or conspiracy theorists, they've already made up their minds about what they believe the truth to be, and any data to the contrary is dismissed as lies, no matter how well supported it is.

As for chicken pox parties, that's fine for a generally non-fatal disease with no permanent disabling effects, but you can't have farking polio parties.
 
2014-06-20 04:43:45 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: hardinparamedic: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Oh wow, I had never actually seen the original someEcard.  I thought the one I posted was the original infographic or whatever.  Interesting.

If you use facebook, add "Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes", and be prepared to feel ashamed for humanity in general. Every one of the ones they make are based on Anti-Vaxxer memes.


I found Refutations to Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes.

Jesus, the derp. It burns.  I like this one. And oooh I didn't notice the Infowars logo.  Even. More. Derp!

But what do I know, my Dad has been in Pharma for 35 years and his Dad was a Dr. for longer than that.  Hell, I used to run training programs for drug reps so they could sell their drugs more effectively.  Guess I'm in bed with Big Pharma.

Vomit!

[img.fark.net image 469x354]


Because we should all drink 64oz of vaccine per day, amirite???
 
2014-06-20 04:43:50 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Ok, Sunshine is trolling. Right? Nobody is really that bad, are they?


I think we figured out what Pocket Ninja does in his downtime.
 
2014-06-20 04:47:59 PM  

ikanreed: Wangiss: You wouldn't be murdering people; you'd just be letting them die like they deserve!

You didn't you catch the possibility that it might be a joke by the time I was invoking the actual farking holocaust?


Yeah. I was working with it. I'm sorry you didn't like that; I'll try harder next time.

hardinparamedic: "From the moment of the injury, society picks the person up off the 
highway; delivers him to a municipal hospital and municipal doctors; 
provides him with unemployment compensation if, after recovery, he 
cannot replace his lost job, and, if the injury causes permanent 
disability, may assume the responsibility for his and his family's 
continued subsistence. We do not understand a state of mind that 
permits plaintiff to think that only he himself is concerned." 
-Simon v. Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.


With this as the scenario, the state is not actually benevolent. This is quid pro quo for forced obedience. The state should be benevolent.

some_beer_drinker: the poors are dangerous.


As a former poor person, who lived among dangerous poor people, I hope you know that poor people are in fact disproportionately dangerous for their population numbers. The only people more dangerous than poor people are oligarchs who buy their way out of the Rule of Law. People who aren't as dangerous include the upper lower class, nearly the entire middle class, and the lower and middle upper class. I hope these facts don't cause you to fear poor people because in nearly every case being poor is not deliberate and they deserve the benefit of the doubt. But I hope you do fear and work against oligarchs who buy their way out of the rule of law. They need to be in prison, every last one.
 
2014-06-20 04:48:38 PM  

SewerSquirrels: Maybe it's good that we have dipshiats like Jenny McCarthy in the world to help keep them honest.


No, it's not a good thing. At all.
 
2014-06-20 04:50:29 PM  
"in Southern California, where as many as 20 or 30 percent of parents are opting out of vaccinating their children against pertussis. "


We're doomed.

/DOOOOOMED
 
2014-06-20 04:52:16 PM  

ChubbyTiger: moike: I took a shot with...

FARK HATES YOU REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:17PM
Sunshine, when you've got a free moment could you recommend the best copper crystal orgone rig for breaking up chemtrails?


And she actually responded with:
SUNSHINE REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:23PM
Wow Fark....that's nice! Chemtrails are real you can research it yourself. If you no anyone who happens to be in weather or is a former Air Force pilot, you could pick their brain, you see, I've already don't this and made my decisions based on different criteria. When I speak to a man who was red Onside fir attaching canisters if barium salts in the airplane I tend to listen. When I see the trails start overhead, I actually take serious notice, because you see...I live in the Rocky Mountains and I live in the middle of nowhere, the norm is usually three to five planes a week flying overhead to larger city's, but when the planes spray, there will 10- 12 planes flying high altitude in the same hour. It's not my job to convince you, it's your job to get your head thinking and testing everything against what you think you know.

So... There you go.

Ok, Sunshine is trolling. Right? Nobody is really that bad, are they?


I take it you've never been to the bay area?  People like this are a dime a dozen over there.  People that if you met them might seem like otherwise intelligent individuals no less.  It's mind boggling really.
 
2014-06-20 04:53:14 PM  

moike: [i.imgur.com image 642x389]


that made my day
 
2014-06-20 04:56:39 PM  

tricycleracer: White_Scarf_Syndrome: hardinparamedic: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Oh wow, I had never actually seen the original someEcard.  I thought the one I posted was the original infographic or whatever.  Interesting.

If you use facebook, add "Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes", and be prepared to feel ashamed for humanity in general. Every one of the ones they make are based on Anti-Vaxxer memes.


I found Refutations to Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes.

Jesus, the derp. It burns.  I like this one. And oooh I didn't notice the Infowars logo.  Even. More. Derp!

But what do I know, my Dad has been in Pharma for 35 years and his Dad was a Dr. for longer than that.  Hell, I used to run training programs for drug reps so they could sell their drugs more effectively.  Guess I'm in bed with Big Pharma.

Vomit!

[img.fark.net image 469x354]

Because we should all drink 64oz of vaccine per day, amirite???


In my best Nathan Explosion voice: "UUUh yeah.  Gimme a liter of Heavy Metal!!!"
 
2014-06-20 04:57:33 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: But what do I know, my Dad has been in Pharma for 35 years...  Guess I'm in bed with Big Pharma.


Whoa, there, buddy!  I don't need to know.

/FOX-like editing, just for larfs
 
2014-06-20 04:58:22 PM  
The trouble with the Internet is it gives instant access to dubious research to complete idiots.
 
2014-06-20 04:59:51 PM  

ChubbyTiger: moike: I took a shot with...

FARK HATES YOU REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:17PM
Sunshine, when you've got a free moment could you recommend the best copper crystal orgone rig for breaking up chemtrails?


And she actually responded with:
SUNSHINE REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:23PM
Wow Fark....that's nice! Chemtrails are real you can research it yourself. If you no anyone who happens to be in weather or is a former Air Force pilot, you could pick their brain, you see, I've already don't this and made my decisions based on different criteria. When I speak to a man who was red Onside fir attaching canisters if barium salts in the airplane I tend to listen. When I see the trails start overhead, I actually take serious notice, because you see...I live in the Rocky Mountains and I live in the middle of nowhere, the norm is usually three to five planes a week flying overhead to larger city's, but when the planes spray, there will 10- 12 planes flying high altitude in the same hour. It's not my job to convince you, it's your job to get your head thinking and testing everything against what you think you know.

So... There you go.

Ok, Sunshine is trolling. Right? Nobody is really that bad, are they?


No. I know someone who is really like that. She also has people who agree with her insane and inane facebook posts. Oh, and just to reassure everyone, she's also heavily armed. For all I know, maybe she's posting as "Sunshine". She's single, last I heard, and not at all bed looking. Too bad about the brain.
 
2014-06-20 05:00:19 PM  

moike: I took a shot with...

FARK HATES YOU REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:17PM
Sunshine, when you've got a free moment could you recommend the best copper crystal orgone rig for breaking up chemtrails?


And she actually responded with:
SUNSHINE REPLIED ON JUNE 20, 2014 - 1:23PM
Wow Fark....that's nice! Chemtrails are real you can research it yourself. If you no anyone who happens to be in weather or is a former Air Force pilot, you could pick their brain, you see, I've already don't this and made my decisions based on different criteria. When I speak to a man who was red Onside fir attaching canisters if barium salts in the airplane I tend to listen. When I see the trails start overhead, I actually take serious notice, because you see...I live in the Rocky Mountains and I live in the middle of nowhere, the norm is usually three to five planes a week flying overhead to larger city's, but when the planes spray, there will 10- 12 planes flying high altitude in the same hour. It's not my job to convince you, it's your job to get your head thinking and testing everything against what you think you know.

So... There you go.


She's trolling all of you so hard right now.
 
2014-06-20 05:01:27 PM  

stan unusual: Check out the WHO data on Mexico's



Yup.
If you caught Measles, it wasn't from a Mexican.

infectiousnews.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-20 05:02:04 PM  
They need to hire a better web designer.
 
2014-06-20 05:03:38 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: stan unusual: Check out the WHO data on Mexico's


Yup.
If you caught Measles, it wasn't from a Mexican.

[infectiousnews.files.wordpress.com image 749x535]


California run out of Mexicans?
 
2014-06-20 05:05:13 PM  
White_Scarf_Syndrome:
img.fark.net


Except that's not true.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/questionsaboutvac ci nes/ucm070430

The limit for water is 2ppb or .002 mg (.000002 grams)

The limit for older vaccines with Themerisol (49.6% mercury) is .01% or 50 mcg (.00005 grams) in a .5ml dose - or about .000025 since only half is mercury.

So you're not getting 20,000 times more.  You're getting about 2.5 times more of an incredibly tiny dose.

And that's before you take into account you drink 6,000 times more water each day than you'd get in a vaccine.
 
2014-06-20 05:06:43 PM  

Lexx: Also, deny access to the following public services: education, transit, and medical.


It'll be great! We'll have special police positioned at every bus stop. We'll all be so much safer!
 
2014-06-20 05:06:46 PM  

uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.


Immigrants from Central or South America don't simply teleport to the border, they have to travel through Mexico.  The fact that there isn't a pertussis outbreak in Mexico demonstrates that immigrants are not transmitting the virus.  Vaccination rates in these countries are better than in the US.  This is a rich whitey problem.
 
2014-06-20 05:07:15 PM  
Refusing to vaccinate your kids, even on religious grounds, should be cause to have the state take them away from you, because at that point, you are an unfit parent.
 
2014-06-20 05:08:32 PM  
Does anyone get the feeling that antivax stuff got started by the FSB or China in a covert attempt to destabilize our country?

The KGB started a lot of conspiracy theories to cause agitation back in the day.
 
2014-06-20 05:08:52 PM  

ikanreed: Is it too soon to propose a "final solution" to vaccine denialists?  We can just quarantine them in camps.  The death part of the camps will take care of itself, thanks to their attitudes.


Newsletter?
 
2014-06-20 05:10:05 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: She's single, last I heard, and not at all bed looking.


LOL Freudian slip.

ReverendJynxed: California run out of Mexicans?


That's pretty hilarious.
 
2014-06-20 05:11:47 PM  

AlHarris31: Does anyone get the feeling that antivax stuff got started by the FSB or China in a covert attempt to destabilize our country?

The KGB started a lot of conspiracy theories to cause agitation back in the day.


The Soviets at least knew better than to mess with anti-vaccination programs.  They were actually one of the biggest proponents of the program to eradicate of smallpox.
 
2014-06-20 05:13:13 PM  

PhilGed: White_Scarf_Syndrome:
[img.fark.net image 469x354]


Except that's not true.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/questionsaboutvac ci nes/ucm070430

The limit for water is 2ppb or .002 mg (.000002 grams)

The limit for older vaccines with Themerisol (49.6% mercury) is .01% or 50 mcg (.00005 grams) in a .5ml dose - or about .000025 since only half is mercury.

So you're not getting 20,000 times more.  You're getting about 2.5 times more of an incredibly tiny dose.

And that's before you take into account you drink 6,000 times more water each day than you'd get in a vaccine.


Thank you for the exact numbers...but I was posting that to show how dumb and wrong it was.  I work with dangerous chemicals all day long.  The MSDS is my bible, yo.

Even though my kid is vaccinated, I really do worry about all the other kids at his daycare.  Oh well.  Just keep pumping him full of spinach and green beans and chicken and hope for the best.
 
2014-06-20 05:13:24 PM  

Stile4aly: They were actually one of the biggest proponents of the program to eradicate of smallpox.


To be fair, it was also because they were afraid that small pox would be used as a biological weapon against them, as they were developing their own biological weapons using the virus.
 
2014-06-20 05:14:54 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Thank you for the exact numbers...but I was posting that to show how dumb and wrong it was.  I work with dangerous chemicals all day long.  The MSDS is my bible, yo.

Even though my kid is vaccinated, I really do worry about all the other kids at his daycare.  Oh well.  Just keep pumping him full of spinach and green beans and chicken and hope for the best


Well, in addition to the fact that Ethyl Mercury =/= Elemental or Methyl Mercury.

That there are different forms of mercury, with different metabolic profiles, retention half-lifes, mechanisms of toxicity, and pathways of detoxification using cellular mechanisms boggles the mind of the average anti-vaxxer. They honestly think people pour elemental mercury into a vial.
 
2014-06-20 05:16:08 PM  

uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.


Apparently there's a movement among Hispanics to switch there Census race information from White to Hispanic. I'm not sure that's a trend among recent immigrants--legal or otherwise.
 
2014-06-20 05:16:23 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-20 05:20:17 PM  

Kahabut: I take it you've never been to the bay area?  People like this are a dime a dozen over there.


Dude, I live in Santa Cruz, part of the SF Bay Area.

It's full of people -exactly- like her.  Which is why I asked about chemtrail busters.
 
2014-06-20 05:20:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: SewerSquirrels: but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry

Vaccines are actually one of the few areas where there is intense oversight in the pharmaceutical industry from NGOs and Governments, because they are considered matters essential to public health and national security. And their money actually depends on it. Vaccines are heavily subsidized by the US Government and most western governments in general, because there is NO money in it when compared with things like BP meds and Statins.


Thanks for clarifying. That's good because I had my heart set on...myocardial infarction. It's really popular these days.
 
2014-06-20 05:21:39 PM  

Stile4aly: uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.

Immigrants from Central or South America don't simply teleport to the border, they have to travel through Mexico.  The fact that there isn't a pertussis outbreak in Mexico demonstrates that immigrants are not transmitting the virus.  Vaccination rates in these countries are better than in the US.  This is a rich whitey problem.


Wow ,apparently so. I'm sure Orange County must getting hit pretty hard, then.

I didn't realize, in 2014, there were 800 new cases in California.  I come from a medical family and have rarely heard whooping cough come up outside of a historical reference.
 
2014-06-20 05:23:10 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.

Apparently there's a movement among Hispanics to switch there Census race information from White to Hispanic. I'm not sure that's a trend among recent immigrants--legal or otherwise.


I'm not sure illegal fill out census forms.
 
2014-06-20 05:23:31 PM  

hardinparamedic: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Thank you for the exact numbers...but I was posting that to show how dumb and wrong it was.  I work with dangerous chemicals all day long.  The MSDS is my bible, yo.

Even though my kid is vaccinated, I really do worry about all the other kids at his daycare.  Oh well.  Just keep pumping him full of spinach and green beans and chicken and hope for the best

Well, in addition to the fact that Ethyl Mercury =/= Elemental or Methyl Mercury.

That there are different forms of mercury, with different metabolic profiles, retention half-lifes, mechanisms of toxicity, and pathways of detoxification using cellular mechanisms boggles the mind of the average anti-vaxxer. They honestly think people pour elemental mercury into a vial.


I think all you would need to do to convince people to give the Tdap vaccine is to just play a recording of 6 month old nearly nearly dying from cracked ribs from pertussis.  That cough is farking terrifying to hear for me.  I'd be losing my mind when all you can do is give antibiotics.  Great now I'm depressed.
 
2014-06-20 05:26:01 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: I think all you would need to do to convince people to give the Tdap vaccine is to just play a recording of 6 month old nearly nearly dying from cracked ribs from pertussis.  That cough is farking terrifying to hear for me.  I'd be losing my mind when all you can do is give antibiotics.  Great now I'm depressed.


As someone who has seen that first hand (In 2011) in a patient we transported, I can tell you that giving that story doesn't do a damn thing to sway people, sadly.

/Transport was a biatch, by the way. Every time the kid would cough, you'd have to reset the ventilator because he'd peak out his pressures.
 
2014-06-20 05:27:05 PM  

stan unusual: It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.

Check out the WHO data on Mexico's vaccination rates and even some of the nations in Central America- they're as high or higher than the areas of this country where the anti-vaxers are concentrated.  If we're discussing tropical diseases or small outbreaks of diseases that are endemic in another part of the world because they have a zoonotic phase that relies on animals not native to the US or North America- yes, for those diseases we can blame immigrants, but we also have to blame US travelers to those areas as well which puts a big dent in your nativist narrative.  Case in point- the only cases of MARS in the US were US citizens and permanent residents who had traveled to the middle east to work in health care there,


Uh, unless there's some special exception coming legally to this country must be vaccinated.  My wife's family (colombia) has had to get them all before they can visit.
 
2014-06-20 05:29:34 PM  

SewerSquirrels: I'm not an anti-vaxer and, hell, I even get the flu shot every year because I'm aware that vaccines have eradicated or nearly eradicated diseases, but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry. Maybe it's good that we have dipshiats like Jenny McCarthy in the world to help keep them honest.

I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.


You think Jenny McCarthy is keeping them Honest?

LetMeLaughHarder.jpg

/research what they did to the hemophiliacs
//distrusts big pharmacy, but believes in vaccines
 
2014-06-20 05:29:57 PM  

wildcardjack: On the plus side, adult pertussis will shred your abs unlike any exercise program you haven't managed to keep up with.


This would explain a few things. *snerk* I have asthma (don't smoke around your children, folks) and whenever i get sick I spend a few weeks coughing until I vomit or pee myself. My torso is currently rocking a post-workout burn that confuses me greatly, seeing as it's been bed rest and ESPN for me this last week. *lol*

Felgraf: Better call my physician-especially since the wife works at a day care, and I'll be volunteering at a summer camp. Wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I got some kid sick. =/.

BFF works in a daycare/preschool, and they over-sanitize that place so hard that everyone is constantly getting sick.  She's had more illnesses from that job than from any other.

That said... I need to stop reading comment threads, 'cuz Little miss Sunshine's derp is a deep one and I'm already in a weakened state from illness... get thee behind me Satan.
 
2014-06-20 05:31:36 PM  

uber humper: Stile4aly: uber humper: Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.

That article only mentions Mexicans.  Quite a few of the illegal immigrants are from further down. I'm not saying they're the cause, the article is kinda narrow in that regard. I'm also curious if the 9 who died in LA county lived in poor Hispanic neighborhoods.

Immigrants from Central or South America don't simply teleport to the border, they have to travel through Mexico.  The fact that there isn't a pertussis outbreak in Mexico demonstrates that immigrants are not transmitting the virus.  Vaccination rates in these countries are better than in the US.  This is a rich whitey problem.

Wow ,apparently so. I'm sure Orange County must getting hit pretty hard, then.

I didn't realize, in 2014, there were 800 new cases in California.  I come from a medical family and have rarely heard whooping cough come up outside of a historical reference.


Damn.  I actually convinced someone with facts in a civil discussion on Fark.  Am I in Bizarro world?
 
2014-06-20 05:32:30 PM  

SewerSquirrels: I'm not an anti-vaxer and, hell, I even get the flu shot every year because I'm aware that vaccines have eradicated or nearly eradicated diseases, but I periodically wonder if I'm putting just a little bit to much faith in the pharmaceutical industry. Maybe it's good that we have dipshiats like Jenny McCarthy in the world to help keep them honest.

I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.


Considering that 1:500 patients with Chicken Pox get herpes encephalopathy, that's why the old ways are not the best.

Medic Zero: You think Jenny McCarthy is keeping them Honest?

LetMeLaughHarder.jpg

/research what they did to the hemophiliacs
//distrusts big pharmacy, but believes in vaccines


I don't know about you, but I strip my uniform off at the door before I go in my house. Too afraid I'd bring home something.
 
2014-06-20 05:33:48 PM  

Lexx: Easy solution to the anti-vaccers: add a surcharge to their health insurance.  A *massive* one.  Also, deny access to the following public services: education, transit, and medical.  The public policy should be that people who risk the public health are denied access to public services.


So, all Republicans then?
 
2014-06-20 05:34:11 PM  
Hooray for Obama's open borders


lonelyconservative.com


steelturman.typepad.com
 
2014-06-20 05:38:35 PM  

hammer85: stan unusual: It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.

Check out the WHO data on Mexico's vaccination rates and even some of the nations in Central America- they're as high or higher than the areas of this country where the anti-vaxers are concentrated.  If we're discussing tropical diseases or small outbreaks of diseases that are endemic in another part of the world because they have a zoonotic phase that relies on animals not native to the US or North America- yes, for those diseases we can blame immigrants, but we also have to blame US travelers to those areas as well which puts a big dent in your nativist narrative.  Case in point- the only cases of MARS in the US were US citizens and permanent residents who had traveled to the middle east to work in health care there,

Uh, unless there's some special exception coming legally to this country must be vaccinated.  My wife's family (colombia) has had to get them all before they can visit.


Religious exemptions and allergies are a couple. I think there's also some sort of promissory affidavit that guardians can sign for young children who aren't vaccinated promising to have them done within a certain time after entering the US... like 60 days or some such.
 
2014-06-20 05:43:43 PM  

MycroftHolmes: toraque: Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.

You know, I think I'm going to reconsider my stance on anti-vaxxers.  They're just assisting mother nature by choosing to be naturally selected against.

The problem is, since no vaccine is 100% effective, they often take down some innocent bystanders.



Yep.  Innocent people like my oldest son who had a severe, life-threatening reaction to his first pertussis vaccine.  He could not receive additional vaccines.  I was terrified that he might contract pertussis as an infant.  Even after watching him nearly die from a vaccine reaction,  we fully vaccinated our children.

I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....
 
2014-06-20 05:45:27 PM  
Professor Arthur Reingold, come on down and collect your Glaxo/Smith/Kline Public Relations trophy !!

robertkaplinsky.com

.. they don't call it drug money for nothing ..
 
2014-06-20 05:48:05 PM  

zena: I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....


Oddly enough, pretty much all schools have religious exemption clauses. The constitution is a real biatch when it works the other way around, sometimes.
 
2014-06-20 05:48:41 PM  

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


Derp!
 
2014-06-20 05:48:56 PM  

Destructor: brap: I just got my Tdap booster.

I literally could not believe there was an outbreak of this in Illinois. I thought my Doc was kidding. So, I joked back, "Nah, lets skip it... I'm afraid of getting 'the Autism'..."

He looked at me skeptically.

"Yes, that's right. An adult is afraid of getting a neural developmental disorder..." He laughed... And then I realized what kind of people he's been dealing with around here.  (Of course I got the damned shot.)

As a race, we're pretty much doomed. Enjoy the slide into oblivion while you still can!


I just got my TDAP for international travel.  I am 43.  I asked the nurse if I would catch autism.  She looked at me and said 'It is a little late for that'.


Now I am not sure how she meant that
 
2014-06-20 05:55:53 PM  

SewerSquirrels: I remember back in the day, if a kid in our neighborhood got chicken pox all the kids who hadn't gotten it yet would be playing with them. Their parents would make sure of it.


Chicken Pox Party! Come one, come all! If your toddler hasn't had 'em yet there's no time to stall. Hip hooray yippee, oh happy day, the day you spot 'em. Nobody told me I had never had 'em, now I got 'em. Have I hit the bottom yet?
 
2014-06-20 05:56:05 PM  

Wangiss: lacrossestar83: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.

So is everything else you read.

It's you.


No, it's reality.
 
2014-06-20 05:57:48 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Professor Arthur Reingold, come on down and collect your Glaxo/Smith/Kline Public Relations trophy !!

[robertkaplinsky.com image 850x637]

.. they don't call it drug money for nothing ..


There are times I hope that the revolution comes, troll, because you would be the first against the wall when Obama's jackbooted big Pharma thugs put a size 12 in your anus.
 
2014-06-20 05:59:34 PM  

MycroftHolmes: I just got my TDAP for international travel. I am 43. I asked the nurse if I would catch autism. She looked at me and said 'It is a little late for that'.


Now I am not sure how she meant that


Oh, I think we all know how she meant it.
 
2014-06-20 06:10:45 PM  

ElLoco: zena: I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....

Oddly enough, pretty much all schools have religious exemption clauses. The constitution is a real biatch when it works the other way around, sometimes.



This is one of the very few times that I just don't think we should allow religious exemption.
 
2014-06-20 06:11:24 PM  
it's spelt Berzerkeley, subby

thanks, Dr Jenny
 
2014-06-20 06:12:54 PM  

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


[lonelyconservative.com image 850x1133]


[steelturman.typepad.com image 230x198]


The President that has deported moreillegalsthananyone.
 
2014-06-20 06:15:42 PM  
iron de havilland:

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.

So is everything else you read.

It's you.

No, it's reality.


Reality always supports one's own political beliefs. You can expand access to health care without forcing other people to contribute For example, you yourself could start a free vaccinations program, hiring off-duty nurses to help vaccinate people at a church on weekdays. Too much work, or you don't care enough? Make someone else do it, right?

How about you bring all the nurses to a party at my house afterwards? That'll be my contribution.
 
2014-06-20 06:18:16 PM  

zena: ElLoco: zena: I consider myself a fairly tolerant person, but I will never understand the anti-vaxxers.  I do not think there should be any exception, other than documented medical conditions, to the requirement that children be fully vaccinated before attending daycare, preschool, public and private schools....

Oddly enough, pretty much all schools have religious exemption clauses. The constitution is a real biatch when it works the other way around, sometimes.


This is one of the very few times that I just don't think we should allow religious exemption.


West Virginia does not. It's rare for West Virginia to be the voice of reason, but in this case, they're spot on.
 
2014-06-20 06:19:39 PM  

70Ford: hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


[lonelyconservative.com image 850x1133]


[steelturman.typepad.com image 230x198]

The President that has deported moreillegalsthananyone.


Of course, because he let so many in in the first place, unlike every other president that effectively stopped them at the border.

When you have 3 billion illegals in the country its a lot easier to deport more of them than the days of Reagan when only the lucky got in.
 
2014-06-20 06:25:19 PM  

Wangiss: iron de havilland:

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

That's a pretty good argument for expanding public healthcare.

So is everything else you read.

It's you.

No, it's reality.

Reality always supports one's own political beliefs. You can expand access to health care without forcing other people to contribute For example, you yourself could start a free vaccinations program, hiring off-duty nurses to help vaccinate people at a church on weekdays. Too much work, or you don't care enough? Make someone else do it, right?

How about you bring all the nurses to a party at my house afterwards? That'll be my contribution.


Sorry, I'd like to retract my comment.

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.
 
2014-06-20 06:26:20 PM  

70Ford: hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


[lonelyconservative.com image 850x1133]


[steelturman.typepad.com image 230x198]

The President that has deported moreillegalsthananyone.




Obama 'Deporter in Chief' Myth Debunked by Former Homeland Security Sec

In an interview with Conan Nolan of NBC Los Angeles on Sunday, Janet Napolitano, who is now the president of the University of California system, was asked whether criticism of her from the left that she was "overzealous in the deportation of undocumented immigrants" was unfair.

"I think it was, actually," Napolitano said. "It didn't look at the whole picture. A lot of those deportations were individuals who were captured right at the border so they had not yet entered the United States."

Napolitano then said, "because of the way we handled them differently than prior administrations, they got counted differently."
 
2014-06-20 06:31:01 PM  
iron de havilland:

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.


I might have some vague stuff to say about you as well. ooga booga!

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.

Are you like Percy Jackson's cousin or something?
 
2014-06-20 06:43:57 PM  
dayum, I better get my eyes checked, I read that first as 'the return of perfume'.

I was, like, when did it ever go away?

/don't miss working in the corporate cube farm with the chemical warfare duchess.
 
2014-06-20 06:45:13 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: hardinparamedic: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Oh wow, I had never actually seen the original someEcard.  I thought the one I posted was the original infographic or whatever.  Interesting.

If you use facebook, add "Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes", and be prepared to feel ashamed for humanity in general. Every one of the ones they make are based on Anti-Vaxxer memes.


I found Refutations to Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes.

Jesus, the derp. It burns.  I like this one. And oooh I didn't notice the Infowars logo.  Even. More. Derp!

But what do I know, my Dad has been in Pharma for 35 years and his Dad was a Dr. for longer than that.  Hell, I used to run training programs for drug reps so they could sell their drugs more effectively.  Guess I'm in bed with Big Pharma.

Vomit!

[img.fark.net image 469x354]


Translation:
Daddy was a doctor, but I don't understand basic chemistry
 
2014-06-20 06:48:06 PM  

Lexx: Easy solution to the anti-vaccers: add a surcharge to their health insurance.  A *massive* one.  Also, deny access to the following public services: education, transit, and medical.  The public policy should be that people who risk the public health are denied access to public services.


Better solution: You get vaccinated unless there's an evidence-based, scientifically-recognized reason for you personally not to be vaccinated. No religious or "philosophical" exemptions. No "I've googled Mercola and NVIC and as a mommy I JUST KNOW they're bad." Your right to be a window-licking Derpistani ends where everyone else's right to avoid plague vectors begins.

If you don't, your children get taken away and you get to live in the Pest House until you are vaccinated.
 
2014-06-20 06:49:58 PM  

Wangiss: iron de havilland:

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.

I might have some vague stuff to say about you as well. ooga booga!


This image is new to you?

i.imgur.com

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.

Are you like Percy Jackson's cousin or something?


Good evening sir.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-20 06:53:38 PM  

iron de havilland: Wangiss: iron de havilland:

I've just had a brief look at your profile, and some half-remembered posts bearing your name are springing to mind.

You believe whatever you want champ, I just remembered an old saying about arguing on the internet.

I might have some vague stuff to say about you as well. ooga booga!

This image is new to you?

[i.imgur.com image 315x466]

Sorry to steal your thunder - but, you win.

Are you like Percy Jackson's cousin or something?

Good evening sir.

[i.imgur.com image 25x28]


It is not new to me.
 
2014-06-20 06:55:54 PM  

hardinparamedic: Clemkadidlefark: Professor Arthur Reingold, come on down and collect your Glaxo/Smith/Kline Public Relations trophy !!

[robertkaplinsky.com image 850x637]

.. they don't call it drug money for nothing ..

There are times I hope that the revolution comes, troll, because you would be the first against the wall when Obama's jackbooted big Pharma thugs put a size 12 in your anus.


If they don't I'd be happy to do it for free.
 
2014-06-20 07:01:20 PM  

hasty ambush: Hooray for Obama's open borders


Yes, 400,000 deportations per year is open borders.

Not closed enough, you say?  Fine.  Expand the Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment about tenfold and maybe then you might be satisfied.

Oh wait, then you'll be complaining about your taxes.  Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment goons agents don't work for free.
 
2014-06-20 07:09:16 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


Why was ALUMINUM spelled out in all caps?  Oh never mind....I got vaccinated as a kid and I'm not dead yet.  I know I never caught whooping cough or polio.

part of me wants to talk to whoever wrote that and try to discuss it rationally, but it would probably be a waste of time.

/I hate big pharma too, but vaccines aren't part of some evil plot.
 
2014-06-20 07:10:09 PM  

uber humper: hardinparamedic: uber humper: What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life

Most people don't advertise it like they do online. And many people in real life are not zealots, they are just scared because they have heard things that anti-vaxxers have put out thanks to "Tell both sides of the story" media outlets and google-bombing by anti-vax groups.

My ex's brother was SEVERELY autistic and at the level of a 5 year old, and his parents were in an autism support group for the area we lived in at the time. Most of them blamed vaccines for their children being "different", and genuinely seemed to feel like they were victims of big pharma.

Something to understand about local anti-vax groups is that they frequently troll news stories about vaccination. I actually had the leader of "Thinking Mom's Revolution" Memphis chapter try to get me in trouble with my workplace because I throughly cockblocked her attempt to play propaganda on the local news site, and even outed her as a shill for the group

I always had a feeling Jenny McCarthy's kid was victim of big pharma.  Colombian based phama, that is


That made me lol hard. Well done
 
2014-06-20 07:18:53 PM  

gfid: Tr0mBoNe: Sunshine replied on June 19, 2014 - 2:53pm
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby's, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.

And her replies... the derp flows in this one.

Why was ALUMINUM spelled out in all caps?  Oh never mind....I got vaccinated as a kid and I'm not dead yet.  I know I never caught whooping cough or polio.

part of me wants to talk to whoever wrote that and try to discuss it rationally, but it would probably be a waste of time.

/I hate big pharma too, but vaccines aren't part of some evil plot.


And with an "i" in it as well. I'm supposing those are linked, but correlation doesn't equal causation.
 
2014-06-20 07:29:31 PM  
 
2014-06-20 07:31:36 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: And her replies... the derp flows in this one.


I read a couple more of her comments.  Apparently Bill Gates is Hitler and herd immunity is merely a theory - much like the theory of gravity, I suppose.  I don't go outside afraid that I'll suddenly fall up into the sky.  It's only a theory though.  So far it's worked out.  I usually stick to the ground.

I wonder how many children will get sick and become crippled or even die before this anti-vax shiat is over with.
 
2014-06-20 07:37:41 PM  

hardinparamedic: bigdog1960: Extensive research. With top men, top men. Stupid coont. Sunshine jeebus.

When someone says they have done "extensive research", I've found that asking them what journal their research has been published in typically either gets them to go WHARGARBLing mad, or makes them point out they just read something on the internet.

Because the University of Google makes you more qualified to talk about vaccines than Doctors, Scientists, and health scholars.


I don't know about vaccines, I obviously think people should vaccinate their children.  But on everything else?  Yeah, spending some of your spare time reading about a subject ACTUALLY DOES often give you more knowledge than a doctor.  I've had doctors tell me that pot causes lung cancer (never has).  Doctors have told me that exercise helps release endorphins (debunked since the 1980's).  Doctors tell me that anti-depressants work better than placebos (they don't).
 
2014-06-20 07:41:13 PM  
I have just 4 words: Jenny McCarthy Body Count.
 
2014-06-20 07:57:33 PM  

moeburn: I've had doctors tell me that pot causes lung cancer (never has).


That's a yes, and a no, actually. While Delta-9 THC has anti-tumor properties, especially in targeted, highly concentrated forms, it's use can also promote cancer growth in cells that are cannabanoid-receptor expressing, and decrease immune responses to cancer cells. We've known this for some time, it's a double-edged sword, and why current research focuses on targeting cannabanoid compounds to tumors, rather than simply vaping, ingesting, or smoking.

moeburn: Doctors have told me that exercise helps release endorphins (debunked since the 1980's).


You might want to actually read what the actual research says on that. It's a lot more complex  than the release of endorphins and enkephalins.

moeburn: Doctors tell me that anti-depressants work better than placebos (they don't).


Are you referring to SSRIs? Because yeah. There's no evidence in many people that they work better than placebos. Which is why drugs like tricyclic antidepressants and the dreaded MAOIs are making a come back..

These are reasons why you listen to actual experts in their fields. Not your family doctor.
 
2014-06-20 08:07:05 PM  

hardinparamedic: moeburn: I've had doctors tell me that pot causes lung cancer (never has).

That's a yes, and a no, actually. While Delta-9 THC has anti-tumor properties, especially in targeted, highly concentrated forms, it's use can also promote cancer growth in cells that are cannabanoid-receptor expressing, and decrease immune responses to cancer cells. We've known this for some time, it's a double-edged sword, and why current research focuses on targeting cannabanoid compounds to tumors, rather than simply vaping, ingesting, or smoking.


It's a plain old "no".  Name one instance when a person got lung cancer that could be in any way related to their pot smoking.

moeburn: Doctors have told me that exercise helps release endorphins (debunked since the 1980's).

You might want to actually read what the actual research says on that. It's a lot more complex  than the release of endorphins and enkephalins.


I did read the research - basically, the original method of measurement of endorphin levels was faulty, and subsequent measurements showed no elevation post-exercise.  But they did discover a chemical called anandamide that could contribute to the so-called "runner's high".

moeburn: Doctors tell me that anti-depressants work better than placebos (they don't).

Are you referring to SSRIs? Because yeah. There's no evidence in many people that they work better than placebos. Which is why drugs like tricyclic antidepressants and the dreaded MAOIs are making a come back..


Yeah, I am referring to SSRI's.  I just don't see how someone could possibly think that depression could be brain-chemistry related unless they had some sort of traumatic brain injury.  Seratonin goes down when people get depressed?  And so they automatically assume that the seratonin is in control of the person's mood, and not the other way around?  You know what else goes down when you get depressed?  The corners of your mouth.  Should we tape peoples mouths into smiles to help treat their depression?  Because I think that is a pretty apt analogy to raising seratonin levels.

These are reasons why you listen to actual experts in their fields. Not your family doctor.

How the hell do you do that without just reading stuff on the internet?
 
2014-06-20 08:32:55 PM  

moeburn: It's a plain old "no".  Name one instance when a person got lung cancer that could be in any way related to their pot smoking.


You didn't read a thing I said, did you?

Also, again. The subject is more complex and not as cut or dry as you make it out to seem.

There is a wealth of research out there that indicates that  smoking marijuana, that is - lighting a cigarette and smoking it - poses less risk than tobacco, but still poses a risk.
 
2014-06-20 08:34:25 PM  

moeburn: It's a plain old "no".  Name one instance when a person got lung cancer that could be in any way related to their pot smoking


And yes, "Smoking" pot can lead to lung cancer, as well as COPD. There are plenty of other ways to use it that do not convey the risk that inhaling byproducts of low temperature combustion into your lungs conveys.
 
2014-06-20 08:51:26 PM  

uber humper: What percentage of people are anti-vaxers?  I see alot about it on fark but have never met one in real life.


We met a lot of them when we lived in Los Angeles.  They were all white, "educated"---as in they have bachelor degrees or advanced degrees in liberal arts or humanities, never STEM---and well-to-do.   They ate organic, unprocessed foods, etc., shopped exclusively at Whole Foods and the farmer's markets.  They like things to be "natural."

When there's an outbreak of something, the wealthier anti-vaxxers pull their kids out of school and quarantine them at home.  Some will even pay for their nannies and housekeepers to get vaccinated, but still won't vaccinate their kids.
 
2014-06-20 08:58:40 PM  
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2014-06-20 09:02:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: moeburn: It's a plain old "no".  Name one instance when a person got lung cancer that could be in any way related to their pot smoking

And yes, "Smoking" pot can lead to lung cancer, as well as COPD. There are plenty of other ways to use it that do not convey the risk that inhaling byproducts of low temperature combustion into your lungs conveys.


Why did you link to something about pot leading to lung cancer that never mentioned the word "cancer" or anything to do with cancer even once?  Also, I knew pot was bad for your lungs in other, non-cancer ways, but I thought it was WAY worse than what your link seems to indicate.
 
2014-06-20 09:28:27 PM  

moeburn: Why did you link to something about pot leading to lung cancer that never mentioned the word "cancer" or anything to do with cancer even once?  Also, I knew pot was bad for your lungs in other, non-cancer ways, but I thought it was WAY worse than what your link seems to indicate.


unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com

Because some of us can actually read the full studies, not just the pubmed blurbs.

You're welcome to believe what you like, in spite of evidence to the contrary. True believers carry on!
 
2014-06-20 09:46:47 PM  

hammer85: stan unusual: It's Me Bender: Yes, let's blame religious nut anti-vaccers on the fringe, not the tens of millions of immigrants from third world countries.

Check out the WHO data on Mexico's vaccination rates and even some of the nations in Central America- they're as high or higher than the areas of this country where the anti-vaxers are concentrated.  If we're discussing tropical diseases or small outbreaks of diseases that are endemic in another part of the world because they have a zoonotic phase that relies on animals not native to the US or North America- yes, for those diseases we can blame immigrants, but we also have to blame US travelers to those areas as well which puts a big dent in your nativist narrative.  Case in point- the only cases of MARS in the US were US citizens and permanent residents who had traveled to the middle east to work in health care there,

Uh, unless there's some special exception coming legally to this country must be vaccinated.  My wife's family (colombia) has had to get them all before they can visit.


I guess I wasn't very clear in my post- I was referring to diseases that are not what we can vaccinate for or don't vaccinate for in the US because they are rare here.   You are correct about required vaccinations for legal entry but as others have pointed out vaccination compliance is higher in many of the countries that have undocumented immigrants to the US that the Nativists here whine about.
 
2014-06-20 09:55:37 PM  

moeburn: hardinparamedic: bigdog1960: Extensive research. With top men, top men. Stupid coont. Sunshine jeebus.

When someone says they have done "extensive research", I've found that asking them what journal their research has been published in typically either gets them to go WHARGARBLing mad, or makes them point out they just read something on the internet.

Because the University of Google makes you more qualified to talk about vaccines than Doctors, Scientists, and health scholars.

I don't know about vaccines, I obviously think people should vaccinate their children.  But on everything else?  Yeah, spending some of your spare time reading about a subject ACTUALLY DOES often give you more knowledge than a doctor.  I've had doctors tell me that pot causes lung cancer (never has).  Doctors have told me that exercise helps release endorphins (debunked since the 1980's).  Doctors tell me that anti-depressants work better than placebos (they don't).


Heh, I hear ya.  I'm pro-vaccination, but I once had to explain to a doctor that spending $25,000 over five years was more expensive than $16,000 in one year.

Seriously.

True, he was only a dermatologist, but still...
 
2014-06-20 09:56:45 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: haemaker: For anyone thinking they shouldn't, don't need to, or it is unsafe to vaccinate a child, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIz8U_DMy8

Keep in mind, whooping cough lasts 4 months!  Not a few hours or days.  FOUR MONTHS!

I came down with whooping cough a few years ago, coughed so hard I shattered my ribs. Maybe people would vaccinate their kids if the commercial for it was a grown man sobbing as he tried to get out of his car at the urgent care facility.


Thanks for that image. I just called my pharmacy, and I'm heading out now to get my booster. I had a week of pneumonia once, and it was shiatdick. Whooping cough would probably drive me to suicide.
 
2014-06-20 10:08:03 PM  

moeburn: hardinparamedic: moeburn: 
moeburn: Doctors tell me that anti-depressants work better than placebos (they don't).

Are you referring to SSRIs? Because yeah. There's no evidence in many people that they work better than placebos. Which is why drugs like tricyclic antidepressants and the dreaded MAOIs are making a come back..

Yeah, I am referring to SSRI's.  I just don't see how someone could possibly think that depression could be brain-chemistry related unless they had some sort of traumatic brain injury.  Seratonin goes down when people get depressed?  And so they automatically assume that the seratonin is in control of the person's mood, and not the other way around?  You know what else goes down when you get depressed?  The corners of your mouth.  Should we tape peoples mouths into smiles to help treat their depre ...


Sure the idea that depression is related to brain chemistry sounds stupid when you present a stupidilu simplistic summary of the research on the role of serotonin in major depression and ignore the fact that most researchers don't believe that depression is a single disease process with a single cause.   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2950973/
 
2014-06-20 10:13:20 PM  

stan unusual: Sure the idea that depression is related to brain chemistry sounds stupid when you present a stupidilu simplistic summary of the research on the role of serotonin in major depression and ignore the fact that most researchers don't believe that depression is a single disease process with a single cause.   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2950973/


www.tasteofcinema.com
 
2014-06-20 10:41:14 PM  
"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture. Enjoy, sir, your insensibility of feeling and reflecting. It is the prerogative of animals. And no man will envy you these honors, in which a savage only can be your rival and a bear your master." -- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis
 
2014-06-20 11:54:38 PM  

lohphat: HotWingConspiracy: I really have no problem with forcing people to do it. It's everyone's duty to help people that are too stupid to know they're harming themselves.

Then explain the closure of mental health facilities in this country and why they're cast out on the the street to suffer?

Christian Nation my ass.


If God wanted them to be healthy, he wouldn't have given them mental health problems. And who are we mere mortals to dare interfere with his holy plan?
 
2014-06-21 12:26:10 AM  
Thread is already tl;dr, but if it's already been said, it's worth repeating: the vaccine losses effectiveness after 10 years. Kids on their parents' health plans tend to get the booster shot, but the change in health plans as an adult provides an easy opportunity for it to be forgotten.

Adults can contract and spread pertussis too, so I'd imagine the TDAP will be increasing in demand.
 
2014-06-21 12:30:08 AM  
Anti-vaccination types piss me off no end.

Pertussis is no joke.  My 90 year old mother had it as a kid and it damn near killed her.  She also had a mild case of polio that left her with one leg slightly shorter than the other and a stunted lung.  Having gone throu all that shiat, she made for damn sure us kids got vaccinated.


Measles, rubella, mumps and chicken pox are no damn fun either.  I know as I had all of them before there were vaccines for them.  My kids only had to put up with chicken pox and my grandkids didn't, as there is now a vaccine for that.  The arguments against are bogus and the supposed "side effects" pale in comparison to the diseases themselves.
 
2014-06-21 12:38:11 AM  
I got this link from a friend of mine who seems to want to get his kids vaccinated at this point, but his wife is adamantly against it.

His wife has "done the research and ran the numbers" and thinks it is safer to chance it with whooping cough than risk Guillain Barre
 
2014-06-21 02:57:49 AM  
My "research" consisted of noticing that people used to get all those illnesses a lot a long time ago, then vaccinations came around, and after people didn't get sick with that stuff nearly as much.

Seriously.  What the bloody hell else do you need to know?????
 
2014-06-21 03:41:18 AM  
opting out of vaccinations = opting out of all medical care. Don't be a biatch, keep your money out of the hands of big pharma!
 
2014-06-21 04:22:55 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.



That's probably where the bedbugs came from too.
 
2014-06-21 05:00:49 AM  

Stile4aly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that's sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn't vaccinate. For example, [if] you've had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn't get more doses of that vaccine.

Sometimes it just amazes me. There are millions of people living illegally in California. I'm pretty sure before they crossed the border they made sure their families' vaccination schedules were up-to-date.

Doctor, millions of people come to this country from places that have little or no health care. They come here sick, they live in the fringes of society and don't get the health care they need here. Couple that with poverty and lack of care among the lower classes of citizens in this country and you have the perfect incubator for anything from pertussis to polio.

Immigrants aren't the cause of the pertussis outbreak in CA.



And yet, if you follow the link....

Health officials also released demographic information showing that 77% of the hospitalized infants under 6 months old were Latino, as were eight of the nine fatalities.

They couldn't be massaging the data for politically correct reasons, oh no. That would never happen.
 
2014-06-21 07:18:51 AM  
hardinparamedic:

I don't know about you, but I strip my uniform off at the door before I go in my house. Too afraid I'd bring home something.

More or less. I commute to work via bicycle. So before I leave, I change out of my scrubs and underclothes and turn them inside out and put them in a bag that goes on my bike. Luckily, the locker room they gave to us bicycle commuters is an old surgery locker room that is totally disused so there are tons and tons of empty lockers, so I took over a few extra for my work shoes and a spare set of scrubs and underclothes in case I get gooed.

I could use the house scrubs and then I'd only have to worry about my undershirts being contaminated, but the issue ones don't have near enough pockets for my needs, and these days now that I'm built for comfort rather than speed, sadly even their biggest scrubs are a little small for me.

Although these days I have little worries compared to in the past when I worked in the ER, ICU's or Med/Surg (shudder) units. When I was trying to go to school I took a transfer to a position that is about 90% unit clerk and about 9.9% stocking type assistant stuff. Don't tell anyone, but sometimes I go a few weeks before I have to put hands on a patient, which after over two decades of front line nursing, is more than alright by me.
 
2014-06-21 07:38:19 AM  

TanSau: White_Scarf_Syndrome: hardinparamedic: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Oh wow, I had never actually seen the original someEcard.  I thought the one I posted was the original infographic or whatever.  Interesting.

If you use facebook, add "Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes", and be prepared to feel ashamed for humanity in general. Every one of the ones they make are based on Anti-Vaxxer memes.


I found Refutations to Refutations to Anti-Vax Memes.

Jesus, the derp. It burns.  I like this one. And oooh I didn't notice the Infowars logo.  Even. More. Derp!

But what do I know, my Dad has been in Pharma for 35 years and his Dad was a Dr. for longer than that.  Hell, I used to run training programs for drug reps so they could sell their drugs more effectively.  Guess I'm in bed with Big Pharma.

Vomit!

[img.fark.net image 469x354]

Translation:
Daddy was a doctor, but I don't understand basic chemistry



My Dad understands basic chemistry.  I bet he could even beat up your Dad!

Translation: "Reading comprehension is hard"
 
2014-06-21 07:42:38 AM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: White_Scarf_Syndrome: whale.to

Dafuq did I just read?
http://whale.to/b/orgonite.html


Oh, was that from one of the links on the bottom of one of the derpy pics?

I...what?

"I think most of us have punched these holes in overcast skies. It often happens whenever a new orgonite device and/or arrangement of devices is deployed in an area, such as an orgonite cloudbuster, some earthpipes, a large 108 or another inspired arrangement or device. The holes usually close up again after a new balance is achieved but these are bona fide miracles as far as I'm concerned.
There are probably other ways to make blue holes, including Slim Spurlings various harmonizers but I think most of the blue holes being noted are from orgonite devices. If I'm correct it's probably because they're easiest to make and require no interaction or 'programming.' The liars like to claim that even tower busters need 'programming' and 'intention.' I've come to loathe the latter word, since it's obvious enough that even scoundrels usually have good intentions"
 
2014-06-21 08:40:44 AM  

cyberspacedout: Thread is already tl;dr, but if it's already been said, it's worth repeating: the vaccine losses effectiveness after 10 years. Kids on their parents' health plans tend to get the booster shot, but the change in health plans as an adult provides an easy opportunity for it to be forgotten.

Adults can contract and spread pertussis too, so I'd imagine the TDAP will be increasing in demand.


Yep. I got my booster last year, but I will fully admit I was not thinking of pertussis. I got it for the tetanus. I'm glad they're a combo pack, though, because I know my family is covered.
 
2014-06-21 11:02:54 AM  

Medic Zero: hardinparamedic:

I don't know about you, but I strip my uniform off at the door before I go in my house. Too afraid I'd bring home something.

More or less. I commute to work via bicycle. So before I leave, I change out of my scrubs and underclothes and turn them inside out and put them in a bag that goes on my bike.


Why are scrubs allowed to leave the hospital in the era of MRSA and other nasty bugs? Leaving the hospital with potentially infected garments makes no sense to me.
 
2014-06-21 11:56:20 AM  

lohphat: Why are scrubs allowed to leave the hospital in the era of MRSA and other nasty bugs? Leaving the hospital with potentially infected garments makes no sense to me


If you've worked in a hospital for any length of time, the overwhelming chance is that any Staph that is part of your microbiota is MRSA. About 7 to 25% of people will have nasal colonization, depending on the studies.

I like my Aviator Scrubs I work in clinics and dispatch in. While I can see the appeal to using trade-out scrubs in areas like Surgery, and OB, it's not very cost effective elsewhere.

namegoeshere: Yep. I got my booster last year, but I will fully admit I was not thinking of pertussis. I got it for the tetanus. I'm glad they're a combo pack, though, because I know my family is covered.


When I did my CCT-Paramedic license last year, the program at Vanderbilt required us to get Pertussis to do our clinical rotations. I was sick as a dog for two days afterwords.
 
2014-06-21 12:14:53 PM  

hardinparamedic: lohphat: Why are scrubs allowed to leave the hospital in the era of MRSA and other nasty bugs? Leaving the hospital with potentially infected garments makes no sense to me

If you've worked in a hospital for any length of time, the overwhelming chance is that any Staph that is part of your microbiota is MRSA. About 7 to 25% of people will have nasal colonization, depending on the studies.

I like my Aviator Scrubs I work in clinics and dispatch in. While I can see the appeal to using trade-out scrubs in areas like Surgery, and OB, it's not very cost effective elsewhere.


It's not just MRSA, it's c.diff. http://candornews.com/2012/08/01/by-wearing-scrubs-in-public-medical- p rofessionals-may-ironically-be-making-us-more-sick/

Even a scrubs vendor posts about it. Link

As someone who's had a MRSA infection, cost of laundering vs costs of c.diff and MRSA treatment is trivial.

Containment and prophylaxis regimens are important as we lose treatment options.
 
2014-06-21 12:15:48 PM  
 
2014-06-21 12:58:35 PM  

lohphat: As someone who's had a MRSA infection, cost of laundering vs costs of c.diff and MRSA treatment is trivial.


And proper hand-washing and sterile technique with invasive procedures can eliminate the risk of both for the most part.

I remember six years ago, when there was a small but vocal movement to ban anyone who is colonized with MRSA from working in healthcare.
 
2014-06-21 01:09:06 PM  

hardinparamedic: lohphat: As someone who's had a MRSA infection, cost of laundering vs costs of c.diff and MRSA treatment is trivial.

And proper hand-washing and sterile technique with invasive procedures can eliminate the risk of both for the most part.

I remember six years ago, when there was a small but vocal movement to ban anyone who is colonized with MRSA from working in healthcare.


I agree that hand washing is key and zero-tolerance bans are short-sighted.

Policy should be made on data not fear or cool aviator scrubs as fashion statements. The core purpose of scrubs are to protect and contain. People wearing scrubs home on crowded public transport where a patient they had contact may be treated for random infection just seems counter to common sense.

Here in SF there are more large hospitals in a 7x7 mile city than almost any other place and we have a lot of international travelers and homeless. It's carrier central riding Muni/BART. An adventure in epidemiology.
 
2014-06-21 04:48:56 PM  
As a person who had the "childhood disease" chicken pox as a 29 year old. PLEASE GET YOUR FARKING KIDS VACCINATED.
This happened in 1990 5 years later they come out with the vaccine in he US despite the rest of the world having it since 1988. Having that at 29 was 2 weeks of pure hell. I still have scars from it. How did I get it? I was walking through K-mart and some kid coughed and I walked through the germ cloud without even thinking about it. It's the only explanation I can come up with as I had utterly no near space contact with any other children not even my own sisters kids for a month previous. First few calls I made were to both my sisters and none of their kids had it at that time or had already had it and were long over it. Had to take those 2 weeks off work as none of my employers kids had had it.

/nacsb
 
2014-06-21 05:08:39 PM  
For everyone who appreciates vaccination out there, I know I do, be advised that the strain of Whooping Cough in California right now may not be protected against by the current vaccine.  About 80% of those catching the disease have current vaccinations.

"Unlike some other vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, neither vaccination nor illness from pertussis offers lifetime immunity," Dr. Ron Chapman, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement.

"However, vaccination is still the best defense against the potentially fatal diseases."

All adults should get a Tdap booster, unless you had one as a teenager (after age 11).

Nationally, more than 90% of children get the first three doses of the vaccine, but far fewer get the booster.
 
2014-06-22 04:50:14 AM  

hardinparamedic: lohphat: Why are scrubs allowed to leave the hospital in the era of MRSA and other nasty bugs? Leaving the hospital with potentially infected garments makes no sense to me

If you've worked in a hospital for any length of time, the overwhelming chance is that any Staph that is part of your microbiota is MRSA. About 7 to 25% of people will have nasal colonization, depending on the studies.

I like my Aviator Scrubs I work in clinics and dispatch in. While I can see the appeal to using trade-out scrubs in areas like Surgery, and OB, it's not very cost effective elsewhere.

namegoeshere: Yep. I got my booster last year, but I will fully admit I was not thinking of pertussis. I got it for the tetanus. I'm glad they're a combo pack, though, because I know my family is covered.

When I did my CCT-Paramedic license last year, the program at Vanderbilt required us to get Pertussis to do our clinical rotations. I was sick as a dog for two days afterwords.


FWIW, I like Mobb* scrubs. They're inexpensive, the guy that runs it sends out significant coupons a few times a year, they've got a good selection of colors, and all the pockets I need. It's nice to have scrub pants that the elastic does its job and I don't have to cinch the drawstring down tight to keep them up, even with my pockets loaded down with gear.

http://www.mobbmedical.com/subcategory/Scrubs-sets
 
2014-06-22 04:50:53 AM  

hardinparamedic: lohphat: As someone who's had a MRSA infection, cost of laundering vs costs of c.diff and MRSA treatment is trivial.

And proper hand-washing and sterile technique with invasive procedures can eliminate the risk of both for the most part.

I remember six years ago, when there was a small but vocal movement to ban anyone who is colonized with MRSA from working in healthcare.


ROFL! Yeah, we can spare 25-100% of our staff no problem!
 
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