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(Orlando Sentinel)   Kaka to join MLS as the league's first-ever designated player. No word on when Dudu and Pupu will be joining him. Poop   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 82
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2014-06-19 09:01:02 PM
DAMN IT ORTON
 
2014-06-19 09:54:16 PM
No word about Pipi or Wiwi
 
2014-06-20 12:29:38 AM
At 32 he's got a few good years left in him. And with his talent, he could be around a while. Now let's see what happens when Wayne Rooney hits 31/32 or a year or two older.
 
2014-06-20 05:10:37 AM
Kinda figured this would happen since Kaka visited Orlando earlier this year, and is close to Orl City owner

And, Orlando City is already a solid franchise dominating the USL...and will be competitive in MLS. Unlike the Miami Beckham's...who can't even get Miami to agree on a stadium site

Not only the Kaka signing is great on the field...Kaka is one of the class guys in all of sport...his off-field contributions will have just as much impact
 
2014-06-20 05:42:29 AM
Expanding to Florida might be a bad move for the MLS, Florida has the most flakey fans in all pro sports. I guess Houston, Phoenix, and Atlanta are in the running as well but Florida takes the cake. Maybe I'm judging Florida too harshly based on the utter garbage that is Miami fandom.
 
2014-06-20 06:45:34 AM
POOP THREAD!
 
2014-06-20 06:50:08 AM
upload.wikimedia.org?
 
2014-06-20 06:55:08 AM
I believe this is Orlando City's first DP, not the league's first. The first designated player in MLS was David Beckham.
 
2014-06-20 07:03:50 AM

dj_bigbird: No word about Pipi or Wiwi


Dick Trickle is amused.
 
2014-06-20 07:04:07 AM

TheJoe03: Expanding to Florida might be a bad move for the MLS, Florida has the most flakey fans in all pro sports. I guess Houston, Phoenix, and Atlanta are in the running as well but Florida takes the cake. Maybe I'm judging Florida too harshly based on the utter garbage that is Miami fandom.


True mostly about Florida pro sports fans...esp in South Florida

One difference with Orlando City is that it is already a successful franchise...and its move to MLS is more like a promotion than expansion. OCFC has a rich Brazilian owner who wants to tie in the sizeable Brazilian community in Orlando...and the large number of tourists from Brazil who visit Orlando
 
2014-06-20 07:04:37 AM
MLS in Florida?  Right because the soccer quality will be fantastic when it's 95 degrees and humid.
 
2014-06-20 07:06:07 AM

Palmer Eldritch: I believe this is Orlando City's first DP, not the league's first. The first designated player in MLS was David Beckham.


Correct....Orlando's first DP.

Toronto FC has 2 DP this year (Michael Bradley, Jermaine Defoe)
 
2014-06-20 07:09:29 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: MLS in Florida?  Right because the soccer quality will be fantastic when it's 95 degrees and humid.


They have no problem playing in Dallas or Houston in summer...so Orlando should be fine. Washington, DC ain't no fun in summer, either
 
2014-06-20 07:15:05 AM

WhyteRaven74: At 32 he's got a few good years left in him. And with his talent, he could be around a while. Now let's see what happens when Wayne Rooney hits 31/32 or a year or two older.


He hasn't really been that great for several years.
 
2014-06-20 07:16:41 AM
What a great move for the MLS.  Future's bright for this league!
 
2014-06-20 07:50:58 AM
So now we know who Number 2 works for.
 
2014-06-20 07:52:39 AM
Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.
 
2014-06-20 07:54:47 AM

advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.


Just like Lampard & David Villa for NYC FC
 
2014-06-20 08:01:21 AM

advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.


"Used to be great," is "still very good" in many of these cases. Hell, Beckham was an international for years after he joined the Galaxy.
 
2014-06-20 08:13:32 AM
...and then, they beat the Pupu...
 
2014-06-20 08:18:47 AM
I have no problem with Orlando in MLS since they get great crowds already. Congrats on signing of Kaka even though most figured it was a lock since he loves Orlando and great friends with the owner. I think Rooney just signed a new contract with Man U so he wont be coming over here and using the Rooney scale in MLS stadiums.
 
2014-06-20 08:21:31 AM
This thread is shiatty
 
2014-06-20 08:30:40 AM

TeamEd: advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.

"Used to be great," is "still very good" in many of these cases. Hell, Beckham was an international for years after he joined the Galaxy.


Yeah, but that's just because England had crappy alternatives more than Beckham being good. His last big moment in an England shirt was the free kick against Greece that qualified them for the 2002 cup.
 
2014-06-20 08:32:18 AM

advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.


At the same time, they help put butts in the seats and maybe they will teach some of the young American players what being a professional in the top leagues is all about. As long as there are only one or two of these players on a team, I don't have a problem with it.
 
2014-06-20 08:41:35 AM
So apparently Subby doesn't know KaKa about MLS.
 
2014-06-20 08:45:20 AM
I really doubt this is the first time Kaka has been involved in a DP
 
2014-06-20 08:45:35 AM

SigmaAlgebra: advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.

At the same time, they help put butts in the seats and maybe they will teach some of the young American players what being a professional in the top leagues is all about. As long as there are only one or two of these players on a team, I don't have a problem with it.


This is how I feel about these older, 'retiring' players coming over.  Anything that helps MLS grow in the future is worth trying.

/thinking long term
 
2014-06-20 08:47:55 AM
Approves.
criticalfinancial.com
 
2014-06-20 08:57:27 AM
What's a designated player?

/soccer is OK, but I don't know shiat about the MLS or the league structure
 
2014-06-20 09:00:26 AM

skrame: What's a designated player?

/soccer is OK, but I don't know shiat about the MLS or the league structure


One player each MLS and A-League (Australian) team gets to pick who's exempt from the respective league salary caps; generally a European or Brazilian player looking for a quiet, well-paid transition to retirement.

(Think: sure, the actual competition isn't half as good as La Liga, but at least you can have a beer without getting recognised and harassed!)
 
2014-06-20 09:05:10 AM

SigmaAlgebra: advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.

At the same time, they help put butts in the seats and maybe they will teach some of the young American players what being a professional in the top leagues is all about. As long as there are only one or two of these players on a team, I don't have a problem with it.


No idea what that means.  Is it that if you become successful you can someday retire with a large contract to a lesser league?
 
2014-06-20 09:07:23 AM

LucklessWonder: TeamEd: advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.

"Used to be great," is "still very good" in many of these cases. Hell, Beckham was an international for years after he joined the Galaxy.

Yeah, but that's just because England had crappy alternatives more than Beckham being good. His last big moment in an England shirt was the free kick against Greece that qualified them for the 2002 cup.


Beckham went on to play for AC Milan and PSG after he made the move to MLS. He was definitely good enough to play for a European club in a top league when he went to LA, just not the very very top teams like Real, Man United, Chelsea, or Barca. I think the move to LA had just as much to do with his wife wanting to rub elbows with the Hollywood crowd as anything.
 
2014-06-20 09:16:02 AM

advex101: SigmaAlgebra: advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.

At the same time, they help put butts in the seats and maybe they will teach some of the young American players what being a professional in the top leagues is all about. As long as there are only one or two of these players on a team, I don't have a problem with it.

No idea what that means.  Is it that if you become successful you can someday retire with a large contract to a lesser league?


So you think that after 10+ years of playing at the highest level interacting with the best coaches, managers, and players in the world none of these guys have anything they can pass on to younger players? As a young defender there is absolutely nothing you could learn from training and playing along side Alessandro Nesta? As a young forward there is absolutely nothing you could learn from training and playing along side Thierry Henry? Is this really what you think?
 
2014-06-20 09:33:27 AM
Randy pooped where?
 
2014-06-20 09:34:20 AM

caira: (Think: sure, the actual competition isn't half as good as La Liga, but at least you can have a beer without getting recognised and harassed!)


Yeah, as much as the MLS has prospered over the past 15 years in the U.S., I'd guess in most markets (maybe in Seattle and Portland you'd get recognized more) recognition of you as a "sports star" would only happen slightly more than an Arena Football QB.
 
2014-06-20 09:40:47 AM

TheJoe03: Expanding to Florida might be a bad move for the MLS, Florida has the most flakey fans in all pro sports. I guess Houston, Phoenix, and Atlanta are in the running as well but Florida takes the cake. Maybe I'm judging Florida too harshly based on the utter garbage that is Miami fandom.


You're not.  I'm a 5th-generation native and absolutely love Florida, but we generally have the worst fans in professional sports.  So much of our population is transient, either the trash of the midwest and northeast drifting down here for work and a low cost of living, or Saul and Esther retiring to Boca to rot on the beach.  Hard to build a solid fan base.  Most Rays-Yankees games are at least 1/3 fatasses in Yankee caps.  At Bucs-Packers games, the Cheeseheads were at least 40% of the crowd until the last ten years or so.

That said, the Tampa Bay Rowdies drew 50,000+ back in the seventies.
 
2014-06-20 09:44:55 AM
One thing i dont get about the new club is the stadium arrangement. The Citrus Bowl is undergoing a $200 million renovation which will be complete by the start of the season and the Lions will play in it the first year. In the meantime they are building a separate $110 million dollar stadium that is primarily for soccer. Both have partial funding by tax dollars if im not mistaken. I guess my question is why do they need a new stadium when theyve got a citrus bowl (which will be pretty damn nice when its done) ? The citrus bowl doesnt have any regular tenants. Excuse my ignorance in advance as I havent lived in orlando in some time.

/tailgating UCF games at the citrus bowl used to be a great time. Really like the new on campus stadium though.
 
2014-06-20 09:52:16 AM
MLS fans are delusional.  This really does little to help the league, and Kaka isn't going to teach 'young players' and make them better.

Most MLS players are already beyond their prime with regard to being a developing player.  It's not like a league filled with 17-20 year olds who can grow.  Most players are already rejects of the bigger leagues, or worse rejects of smaller leagues or 2nd tier leagues.

Nobody is going to buy a ticket to see Kaka sleepwalk through a bad soccer match.
 
2014-06-20 10:00:24 AM
MLS Cup Final TV ratings

2001 0.8
2002 0.6
2003 0.8
2004 0.8
2005 0.8
2006 0.8
David Bekham joins, watch the rating soar!
2007 0.8
2008 0.6
2009 0.7
2010 0.4
2011 0.8
2012 0.7
2013 0.5
 
2014-06-20 10:07:38 AM
So the MLS is going through massive expansion and some of the teams are signing well-known players that are not young while the league as a whole struggles to make money.

I wonder where I've heard that story before.
 
2014-06-20 10:20:27 AM

Igor Jakovsky: I guess my question is why do they need a new stadium when theyve got a citrus bowl (which will be pretty damn nice when its done) ?


They won't own it, which is a revenue issue for teams now.  Only five out of the current 19 teams play in non-soccer-specific stadiums, and of those, one is moving out next year (SJ), one has been trying to move out since day one (DC), and one is owned by the team owner (NE).  (Seattle and Vancouver are the exceptions, but they have the money and arrangements to not care.)  Not to mention, it looks bad on TV and to investors to see covered over upper decks for stadiums when they play.  It's just the way of the sporting financial world
 
2014-06-20 10:26:26 AM

Igor Jakovsky: I guess my question is why do they need a new stadium when theyve got a citrus bowl


What does God need with a citrus bowl?
 
2014-06-20 10:29:30 AM

MugzyBrown: MLS Cup Final TV ratings

2001 0.8
2002 0.6
2003 0.8
2004 0.8
2005 0.8
2006 0.8
David Bekham joins, watch the rating soar!
2007 0.8
2008 0.6
2009 0.7
2010 0.4
2011 0.8
2012 0.7
2013 0.5


But, it's SOCCER!   NBC had the AFL for 4 years (03-06) with ABowl ratings of 1.3, 1.0., 1.0 and 0.7 (not a good trend, but, NBC had basically given up on advertising it by 2006), and that earned it getting dumped by NBC.   But, soccer is going to take off on TV one of these years, I tell you!
 
2014-06-20 10:29:43 AM

llortcM_yllort: So the MLS is going through massive expansion and some of the teams are signing well-known players that are not young while the league as a whole struggles to make money.

I wonder where I've heard that story before.


The NASL closed up shop by this point. The MLS is struggling, but they are a 20 year old league trying to break in against far more established sports in the US. The MLS isn't in bad shape, it's just far away from being anything but a niche sport in the US. Furthermore guys like Kaka and David Silva also make the players around them better. Even if they teach the younger players nothing, having a top tier distributor on the ball (in general) improves the whole team. The NASL had salary cap gaps similar to what you see in Major League Baseball right now, without the popularity, the MLS has a very limited cap, and only allows 3 players to make more. That's a more reasonable solution.

That all said, the television ratings for the MLS are not improving, and while putting the games on NBC Sports are great from a production standpoint, they get completely ignored by ESPN (just look at hockey, as soon as the NHL left Sportscenter, ESPN basically pretended it didn't exist anymore, except for the Stanley Cup)
 
2014-06-20 10:31:11 AM

SigmaAlgebra: advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.

At the same time, they help put butts in the seats and maybe they will teach some of the young American players what being a professional in the top leagues is all about. As long as there are only one or two of these players on a team, I don't have a problem with it.


Wait, so Kaka helps put butts in the seats? Sounds about right.
 
2014-06-20 10:35:32 AM

caira: skrame: What's a designated player?

/soccer is OK, but I don't know shiat about the MLS or the league structure

One player each MLS and A-League (Australian) team gets to pick who's exempt from the respective league salary caps; generally a European or Brazilian player looking for a quiet, well-paid transition to retirement.

(Think: sure, the actual competition isn't half as good as La Liga, but at least you can have a beer without getting recognised and harassed!)


Actually, in MLS, each team has 3 DP slots available.
 
2014-06-20 10:39:58 AM

SigmaAlgebra: LucklessWonder: TeamEd: advex101: Another "used to be great" player using the MLS as their retirement plan.

"Used to be great," is "still very good" in many of these cases. Hell, Beckham was an international for years after he joined the Galaxy.

Yeah, but that's just because England had crappy alternatives more than Beckham being good. His last big moment in an England shirt was the free kick against Greece that qualified them for the 2002 cup.

Beckham went on to play for AC Milan and PSG after he made the move to MLS. He was definitely good enough to play for a European club in a top league when he went to LA, just not the very very top teams like Real, Man United, Chelsea, or Barca. I think the move to LA had just as much to do with his wife wanting to rub elbows with the Hollywood crowd as anything.


And while he could still play in Europe, could he be the dominant star he was expected to be in LA? In one of the world's largest media markets? He had the choice of being a good player in Europe competing with other good and great players or a good player in North America playing against mediocre players.
 
2014-06-20 10:56:17 AM

dywed88: And while he could still play in Europe, could he be the dominant star he was expected to be in LA? In one of the world's largest media markets? He had the choice of being a good player in Europe competing with other good and great players or a good player in North America playing against mediocre players.


He could play for a mid-level euro team or play without pressure and attention in the US.
 
2014-06-20 11:04:36 AM

TheJoe03: Expanding to Florida might be a bad move for the MLS, Florida has the most flakey fans in all pro sports. I guess Houston, Phoenix, and Atlanta are in the running as well but Florida takes the cake. Maybe I'm judging Florida too harshly based on the utter garbage that is Miami fandom.


Well would you want to sit in the heat to watch a soccer game?

And people love to rag on Atlanta but even the braves draw decent the stadium is just so huge that it looks half empty sometimes. Its capacity is close to 60k which makes it one of the largest in the league but even getting almost 30k a game looks empty even during the mediocre year they're having. The thrashers were in the top half of the NHL before the other owners destroyed the team, they were building a good fan base and I blame the NHL for killing them off while saving Gretzky's ass.
 
2014-06-20 11:16:57 AM

Goatwhore: caira: skrame: What's a designated player?

/soccer is OK, but I don't know shiat about the MLS or the league structure

One player each MLS and A-League (Australian) team gets to pick who's exempt from the respective league salary caps; generally a European or Brazilian player looking for a quiet, well-paid transition to retirement.

(Think: sure, the actual competition isn't half as good as La Liga, but at least you can have a beer without getting recognised and harassed!)

Actually, in MLS, each team has 3 DP slots available.


As a fan of the CFL when they had a similar rule, I'm amazed that MLS is still functioning.
 
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