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(The Raw Story)   Couple who have spent a month in jail because they refused to sign the ticket they got for driving with an handwritten license plate say they are following "God's law." Odd, I don't remember "thou shalt not stand in line at the DMV" in Leviticus   (rawstory.com) divider line 144
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2014-06-19 05:15:01 PM
Rosondich described himself as an illegally oppressed non-citizen, saying he held "innate private rights." "There are citizens of the U-dot-S-dot that hold constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States," he said. "This country was based on sovereignty, and today if you say the word 'sovereign,' you're looked at as a terrorist or something. It's funny. It's actually a dichotomy."
The sovereign citizen movement is a subset of Improv Everywhere, the well known public performance art group, even though many members of the movement do not realize that fact.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-06-19 05:23:17 PM
1. You could link to the real article: jacksonsun.com.

2. 6-55-502, the law they claimed benefit of, prohibits cities from requiring nonresidents to buy city stickers. It substitutes for city registration, but not state registration. So even if they were nonresidents of the city, state, country, and planet, it wouldn't help them with the state registration violation.

3. $10,000 is a lot of bail for a registration violation and locking the car doors on police, even considering the risk of nonappearance.
 
2014-06-19 05:28:47 PM
How come these assholes NEVER remember the "render unto Caesar" bit.
 
2014-06-19 05:59:49 PM
Been to hell
I spell it
I spell it DMV
 
2014-06-19 06:01:54 PM

ZAZ: 1. You could link to the real article: jacksonsun.com.

2. 6-55-502, the law they claimed benefit of, prohibits cities from requiring nonresidents to buy city stickers. It substitutes for city registration, but not state registration. So even if they were nonresidents of the city, state, country, and planet, it wouldn't help them with the state registration violation.

3. $10,000 is a lot of bail for a registration violation and locking the car doors on police, even considering the risk of nonappearance.


That's an impressive level of disinterested thought there, teasing the molecule of sense out of an ocean of sovereign citizen derp. Bravo. What are you, a public defender?
 
2014-06-19 06:02:52 PM
TN Couple who have spent a month in jail because they refused to sign the ticket they got for driving with an handwritten license plate say they are following "God's law". Odd, I don't remember "thou shalt not stand in line at the DMV" in Leviticus

It's in the appendix.
 
2014-06-19 06:03:02 PM
God built the road, so the only registration I need to drive on it is the one God told me to hand-write. Or something.
 
2014-06-19 06:03:03 PM
Let me guess...sovereign citizens?

*clicks article*

And let me show you my shocked face...

If they are not citizens of the U dot S dot, deport them to Somalia.
 
2014-06-19 06:03:37 PM
lh4.ggpht.com
 
2014-06-19 06:04:30 PM

The_Sponge: Been to hell
I spell it
I spell it DMV


Anyone who's been there knows precisely what you mean.
 
2014-06-19 06:04:57 PM
I read TFA. They're not sovereign citizens. They're sovereign hippies. Death is too good for them.
 
2014-06-19 06:05:37 PM
Anytime a sovereign gets locked up, tased, or any other thing an angel gains its wings.
 
2014-06-19 06:06:42 PM

TheMysticS: The_Sponge: Been to hell
I spell it
I spell it DMV

Anyone who's been there knows precisely what you mean.


Funny, my state (Georgia) totally fixed the driver's licensing process. It's pretty much zero pain, takes about 20 minutes in line. Getting tags renewed or issued at my county tax office is even easier.

/Bureaucratic competence. It's not just a myth.
 
2014-06-19 06:06:59 PM

Dog Welder: Let me guess...sovereign citizens?

*clicks article*

And let me show you my shocked face...

If they are not citizens of the U dot S dot, deport them to Somalia.


I always imagine them as little Cartmans, "Whateva, I'll do what I want!!"
 
2014-06-19 06:09:02 PM

ZAZ: 3. $10,000 is a lot of bail for a registration violation and locking the car doors on police, even considering the risk of nonappearance.


They've already pretty much declared they don't recognize any of the police's authority. The risk of nonappearance seems close to 100%. Whether that means they'll try to go back to California to avoid the police or carry on with whatever they were doing only to have this happen a second time in TN, the only interest they have in seeing a courtroom is to theorize on the meaning of the gold fringe on the flag.
 
2014-06-19 06:09:51 PM
My old man still has a wooden license plate on the back of his motorcycle.  The numbers match the metal plate, the colors are correct and the tabs are the standard issued set.  He does it to confound the local pigs.  Not that it takes much to do that.
 
2014-06-19 06:10:01 PM
Which one of them is primarying Lamar Alexander?
 
2014-06-19 06:11:00 PM
Stay classy, sovereign citizens!!!
 
2014-06-19 06:13:05 PM
Their song has a pretty good beat, but you can't really dance to it.
 
2014-06-19 06:13:54 PM

ZAZ: 1. You could link to the real article: jacksonsun.com.

2. 6-55-502, the law they claimed benefit of, prohibits cities from requiring nonresidents to buy city stickers. It substitutes for city registration, but not state registration. So even if they were nonresidents of the city, state, country, and planet, it wouldn't help them with the state registration violation.

3. $10,000 is a lot of bail for a registration violation and locking the car doors on police, even considering the risk of nonappearance.


It's almost like they did something to piss off the judge.  Five bucks says they started spouting off about the fringes on the flag in the court and the judge just said "fark these losers."
 
2014-06-19 06:14:52 PM
Bat-shiat crazy? Check.
Proud as a tard who made poopee? Check.
Certain they're 'right'? Checkaroo.
Someone on the planet cares? *crickets*
 
2014-06-19 06:15:04 PM
Rosondich said he also wants to move back to Costa Rica, where he previously lived for two years."They don't treat people like this," he said. "... It's beautiful. The food grows on the trees, and it's peaceful. The police officers are there to help."

That may be difficult without a U dot S dot passport.
 
2014-06-19 06:15:21 PM
Sovereign citizens should not be allowed to use any kind of road maintained by any city/county/state/country.
 
2014-06-19 06:15:56 PM
""The laws that these police officers are trying to uphold are laws that were coming after 1868 with the United States.  "

Soooo, they don't believe they have to obey any laws that were passed after 1868.  Farking weirdos.
 
2014-06-19 06:16:41 PM

Theaetetus: Rosondich described himself as an illegally oppressed non-citizen, saying he held "innate private rights." "There are citizens of the U-dot-S-dot that hold constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States," he said. "This country was based on sovereignty, and today if you say the word 'sovereign,' you're looked at as a terrorist or something. It's funny. It's actually a dichotomy."
The sovereign citizen movement is a subset of Improv Everywhere, the well known public performance art group, even though many members of the movement do not realize that fact.


Simultaneously claiming your status as a citizen and as a non-citizen is the best bit of doublethink I've seen in a while.
 
2014-06-19 06:16:56 PM
Sovereign Citizens. Good thing they're in jail, three years ago two of them types murdered two cops in West Memphis.  These people are really, really psycho.
 
2014-06-19 06:17:07 PM
FTA: Those are privileges. Why are those privileges? Because they're commerce ... it's our right to travel. It's our absolute right."

These are the kinds of things I find both amusing and frustrating about Sovereign Citizens. The U dot S dot Constitution specifically gives the government the power to regulate commerce. They cherry-pick from the Bible, the Constitution, and the Uniform Commercial Code. I have seen pictures of some of these people with home-made license plates with a Federal D.O.T. trucking company registration number that they apparently applied for themselves.
 
2014-06-19 06:17:16 PM
I'm embarassed they're from California. I thought we had more sanity than that. But Derp is widespread I suppose..
 
2014-06-19 06:18:41 PM

Fluid: Theaetetus: Rosondich described himself as an illegally oppressed non-citizen, saying he held "innate private rights." "There are citizens of the U-dot-S-dot that hold constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States," he said. "This country was based on sovereignty, and today if you say the word 'sovereign,' you're looked at as a terrorist or something. It's funny. It's actually a dichotomy."
The sovereign citizen movement is a subset of Improv Everywhere, the well known public performance art group, even though many members of the movement do not realize that fact.

Simultaneously claiming your status as a citizen and as a non-citizen is the best bit of doublethink I've seen in a while.



Besides, as soon as someone see you, your wave function collapses anyway.
 
2014-06-19 06:18:54 PM

LazyMedia: I read TFA. They're not sovereign citizens. They're sovereign hippies. Death is too good for them.


sovereign hippies

Golf clap
 
2014-06-19 06:19:06 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Rosondich said he also wants to move back to Costa Rica, where he previously lived for two years."They don't treat people like this," he said. "... It's beautiful. The food grows on the trees, and it's peaceful. The police officers are there to help."

That may be difficult without a U dot S dot passport.


Can the book passage to India?
 
2014-06-19 06:19:14 PM

rbuzby: ""The laws that these police officers are trying to uphold are laws that were coming after 1868 with the United States.  "

Soooo, they don't believe they have to obey any laws that were passed after 1868.  Farking weirdos.


1868 is a new one to me, though. The 14th amendment did... what? Took away natural rights and replaced them with fake rights?
 
2014-06-19 06:19:34 PM
FTFA: "I'm even a vegetarian," Rosondich said. "I wouldn't even kill an animal to eat. I don't have any criminal record ... I choose love. I choose life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness under God."

I wonder how he's enjoying all the cockmeat sandwiches he's choking down in Tennessee lockup.
 
2014-06-19 06:22:06 PM
Expatriated themselves ? Feel free to leave douchebags .
 
2014-06-19 06:25:23 PM
Maybe a couple from California in Tennessee, but not a Tennessee couple...  However, I'm sure they will fit right in!

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-19 06:28:16 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: rbuzby: ""The laws that these police officers are trying to uphold are laws that were coming after 1868 with the United States.  "

Soooo, they don't believe they have to obey any laws that were passed after 1868.  Farking weirdos.

1868 is a new one to me, though. The 14th amendment did... what? Took away natural rights and replaced them with fake rights?


They claim that the word "citizen" is different when capitalized. These people are absolutely off their collective rocker. What kind of cockamamie lawyer would say that changes in capitalization would have any impact on the meaning of the goddamn Constitution?

The Constitution provides that excessive bail shall not be set. I'd say that they got off easy with $10,000, considering their statement of open contempt for the idea of appearing before the court.
 
2014-06-19 06:28:47 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net

Kinda cute. Too bad she's crazy.
 
2014-06-19 06:28:56 PM
Someone notify P Barnes.
 
2014-06-19 06:32:54 PM

Fluid: Theaetetus: Rosondich described himself as an illegally oppressed non-citizen, saying he held "innate private rights." "There are citizens of the U-dot-S-dot that hold constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States," he said. "This country was based on sovereignty, and today if you say the word 'sovereign,' you're looked at as a terrorist or something. It's funny. It's actually a dichotomy."
The sovereign citizen movement is a subset of Improv Everywhere, the well known public performance art group, even though many members of the movement do not realize that fact.

Simultaneously claiming your status as a citizen and as a non-citizen is the best bit of doublethink I've seen in a while.



It's actually a highly sophisticated example of quantum superposition.  They are simultaneously in a state of citizenship and noncitizenship.  When one of them makes an observation as to which state is in their immediate self-interest, the wave function collapses around the observed state, until they go into superposition again.  It's really complicated physicis stuff.  I'm impressed that they've mastered it, and that they're so modest about it.
 
2014-06-19 06:34:10 PM

captainktainer: They claim that the word "citizen" is different when capitalized.


Oh, I see, the 14th somehow created an inferior citizenship that is so similar to Citizenship that everyone is fooled. Is that what is conferred upon newborns when they take a baby's foot and handprints instead of letting them touch God's Earth and become a Citizen?
 
2014-06-19 06:34:23 PM
Rosondich said he also wants to move back to Costa Rica, where he previously lived for two years."They don't treat people like this," he said. "... It's beautiful. The food grows on the trees, and it's peaceful. The police officers are there to help."

Yeah, it's great to be a white person in a poor country.  It's beautiful.  You finally get treated the way you deserve.
 
2014-06-19 06:34:40 PM

TheMysticS: The_Sponge: Been to hell
I spell it
I spell it DMV

Anyone who's been there knows precisely what you mean.


The DMV in Harrisburg, PA is quite pleasant actually. Usually takes no time at all to get anything at all...
 
2014-06-19 06:35:51 PM
So...if they don't want to be part of America so damn much...why not leave????
 
2014-06-19 06:36:05 PM

captainktainer: Sergeant Grumbles: rbuzby: ""The laws that these police officers are trying to uphold are laws that were coming after 1868 with the United States.  "

Soooo, they don't believe they have to obey any laws that were passed after 1868.  Farking weirdos.

1868 is a new one to me, though. The 14th amendment did... what? Took away natural rights and replaced them with fake rights?

They claim that the word "citizen" is different when capitalized. These people are absolutely off their collective rocker. What kind of cockamamie lawyer would say that changes in capitalization would have any impact on the meaning of the goddamn Constitution?

The Constitution provides that excessive bail shall not be set. I'd say that they got off easy with $10,000, considering their statement of open contempt for the idea of appearing before the court.


For some of them, I think it is anything after FDR. The Federal Reserve is illegal, too (they use the abbreviation "FRN" for Federal Reserve Notes). It is because the Gold Standard is part of God's plan. Or something.
 
2014-06-19 06:36:53 PM
...which Eshleman had attempted to replace with a piece of paper that said, "Non Resident 6-55-502. Privilege tax on nonresidents prohibited. Lienholder (my chattel)."

It had numbers and everything - what the hell do the cops want?

The couple, who perform music together, hope to undertake a music tour when they get out of jail, and Rosondich hopes to move back to Costa Rica, where he previously lived for two years.
"They don't treat people like this," he said. "It's beautiful. The food grows on the trees, and it's peaceful. The police officers are there to help."


You are so cute I could jsut pinch your sallow, sunken cheeks.
 
2014-06-19 06:37:02 PM

Raoul Eaton: Fluid: Theaetetus: Rosondich described himself as an illegally oppressed non-citizen, saying he held "innate private rights." "There are citizens of the U-dot-S-dot that hold constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States," he said. "This country was based on sovereignty, and today if you say the word 'sovereign,' you're looked at as a terrorist or something. It's funny. It's actually a dichotomy."
The sovereign citizen movement is a subset of Improv Everywhere, the well known public performance art group, even though many members of the movement do not realize that fact.

Simultaneously claiming your status as a citizen and as a non-citizen is the best bit of doublethink I've seen in a while.


It's actually a highly sophisticated example of quantum superposition.  They are simultaneously in a state of citizenship and noncitizenship.  When one of them makes an observation as to which state is in their immediate self-interest, the wave function collapses around the observed state, until they go into superposition again.  It's really complicated physicis stuff.  I'm impressed that they've mastered it, and that they're so modest about it.


Booker's about to take his final baptism...
 
2014-06-19 06:37:13 PM
Sounds like the spin the wheel of lunacy when they wake up to see what bizarre manifesto they're going to pin their hopes on that day.
 
2014-06-19 06:38:20 PM

fusillade762: [fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 640x959]

Kinda cute. Too bad she's crazy.


iamokwiththis.jpg
 
2014-06-19 06:38:22 PM

fusillade762: Kinda cute. Too bad she's crazy.


She has dreadlocks, all cuteness has been negated.
 
2014-06-19 06:38:28 PM

fusillade762: [fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 640x959]

Kinda cute. Too bad she's crazy.


No a sufficient hot/crazy ratio. For sovereign citizen malarky, I'm expecting at least, like, Mila Kunis with Christina Hendrick's tits, and her twin sister, for it to be even close to worth it.

/plus, sounds like the type whose dreadlocks are a natural result of never washing or combing her hair, rather than any conscious attempt
 
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