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(Breitbart.com)   The green movement has become a "combination of extreme political ideology and religious fundamentalism rolled into one." says Green Peace founder   (breitbart.com) divider line 90
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-19 02:07:01 PM
I think most activists could be described that way, but Greenpeace has always been that way.

I would agree with him if I didn't know that before he left Greenpeace it was more radical than it is now  and also if I didn't know he founded a PR company that basically works for the sleaziest most environmentally destructive companies out there.  He didn't leave Greenpeace because it became more radical, he just lost his idealism and gained a taste for making a lot of money.

Not very surprising when you remember that he co-founded Greenpeace when he was a graduate student.  It's pretty normal for people to be radical in college and then become money oriented later in life.  He will likely be riding a Hoveround waiving a Gadsden flag in another decade.

Of course, it's Breitbart, so TFA is written more for people who aren't quite bright enough to grasp the difference between a scientist and a Greenpeace member.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-19 02:17:19 PM
I forgot to list his website.  This is the PR company he co-founded.
 
2014-06-19 02:30:42 PM

vpb: Of course, it's Breitbart, so TFA is written more for people who aren't quite bright enough to grasp the difference between a scientist and a Greenpeace member.

their ass and a hole in the ground.
 
2014-06-19 03:20:13 PM
We've got to start differentiating between ramming whaling boats and installing solar panels.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-19 03:26:17 PM

James!: We've got to start differentiating between ramming whaling boats and installing solar panels.


That's the thing, he was in Greenpeace back in the ramming whaling boats days.  Greenpeace didn't become extreme, he created it that way.
 
2014-06-19 03:27:42 PM

vpb: James!: We've got to start differentiating between ramming whaling boats and installing solar panels.

That's the thing, he was in Greenpeace back in the ramming whaling boats days.  Greenpeace didn't become extreme, he created it that way.


"Look at this problem I created, aren't they terrible?"
 
2014-06-19 05:37:38 PM
This isn't news...oh, wait!

People who think they are saving the world will obviously adopt a "the ends justify the means" mentality. Self-defeating? Aye.
 
2014-06-19 05:38:14 PM
these the same farkers that lost millions on a oil deal?
 
2014-06-19 05:38:28 PM
So is the co founder of Greenpeace a farking tard or is Breitshart's spin making him out to be a tard?
 
2014-06-19 05:41:57 PM
Breitbart link.

img.4plebs.org
 
2014-06-19 05:43:10 PM
Wait....the Green movement is the Tea Party? Through the looking glass....
 
2014-06-19 05:45:01 PM
Anybody want to comment on his scientific assertions, which are basically saying that global warming is actually a good thing because humans and the crops we eat do better in warmer climates?
 
2014-06-19 05:49:10 PM

James!: We've got to start differentiating between ramming whaling boats and installing solar panels.


*sighs
You people just don't get it, do you?
 
2014-06-19 05:49:49 PM
Hey Mommy, doesn't that dead possum in the road look a lot like that guy who invented the internet?
 
2014-06-19 05:50:08 PM

Geotpf: Anybody want to comment on his scientific assertions, which are basically saying that global warming is actually a good thing because humans and the crops we eat do better in warmer climates?


Uh, yeah, um, well, ah, it's, not to put too fine a point on it, but it's a steaming pile of astroturfed bullshiat.

Truth be told, if we're going to get extra picky, ALL of the prognostications about global warming are just that--prognostications. NOBODY actually KNOWS what is going to happen or what the actual outcome ABSOLUTELY IS GOING TO BE. That being said, the models that have the weight of field consensus behind them beg to differ quite a great deal from what this fellow is claiming. Of course, we also have to admit that the best physics we currently have cannot conclusively PROVE that it's not all being done by invisible pixies...
 
2014-06-19 05:50:46 PM
Ooh, I sense a change in this thread's climate.
i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-06-19 05:50:54 PM
Call me back when green peacers shoot up a walmart or attempt to assassinate a politician.
 
2014-06-19 05:51:17 PM
You know, I was just thinking, "I'd like to know more about the environmental movement. I wonder what a good source of information about about the environmental movement is."

And then I found this awesome Brietfart link.
 
2014-06-19 05:52:52 PM

charlesmartel11235: Call me back when green peacers shoot up a walmart or attempt to assassinate a politician.


subtle.
solid 8/10
 
2014-06-19 05:53:56 PM
Greenpeace is and has always been a scam. "Here's a picture of a baby seal. Send us your money." They have no credibility and nothing they say is worth listening to. Nothing but a bunch of con artists. Fark Greenpeace and their crazy sidekick Sea Shepard.

/norwegian here
//old enough to remember their anti-whaling bullshiat
///i560.photobucket.com  em all
 
2014-06-19 05:54:03 PM

Geotpf: Anybody want to comment on his scientific assertions, which are basically saying that global warming is actually a good thing because humans and the crops we eat do better in warmer climates?



The basic science is this:  Plants "inhale" CO2 and "exhale"  oxygen, so if it is hotter, more plants will grow.

In addition, there are 7 billion people in the world and many are quite hungry, so if the growing season is extended and more farmland is available, so much the better.

More heat evaporates more ocean water so there would be more rain, not less.
 
2014-06-19 05:58:15 PM
So crazy nutbars type 1 + crazy nutbars type 2 = extra double bonus nutbars.
Seems legit.
 
2014-06-19 05:58:42 PM

Uncle Tractor: Greenpeace is and has always been a scam. "Here's a picture of a baby seal. Send us your money." They have no credibility and nothing they say is worth listening to. Nothing but a bunch of con artists. Fark Greenpeace and their crazy sidekick Sea Shepard.

/norwegian here
//old enough to remember their anti-whaling bullshiat
///[i560.photobucket.com image 44x12]  em all


Fark Norway. Leave the farking whales alone, you assholes. You don't need them; they make dogfood out of the meat.
 
2014-06-19 05:59:26 PM

Geotpf: Anybody want to comment on his scientific assertions, which are basically saying that global warming is actually a good thing because humans and the crops we eat do better in warmer climates?


If I was an industry and wanted to spin the PR in a way favorable to me, and I was money-hungry, devoid of ethics, and kind of dim, that's exactly what I'd say.
 
2014-06-19 06:01:43 PM

olddinosaur: Geotpf: Anybody want to comment on his scientific assertions, which are basically saying that global warming is actually a good thing because humans and the crops we eat do better in warmer climates?


The basic science is this:  Plants "inhale" CO2 and "exhale"  oxygen, so if it is hotter, more plants will grow.

In addition, there are 7 billion people in the world and many are quite hungry, so if the growing season is extended and more farmland is available, so much the better.

More heat evaporates more ocean water so there would be more rain, not less.


Oh, and the part about it failing to meet the most basic principles of the scientific method is also correct, regardless of the outcome.
 
2014-06-19 06:02:20 PM
This is a tiny liberal ideologue counter weight to the massive conservative, "god told me too" group. It also reads as a criticism of the right in the US.
 
2014-06-19 06:02:21 PM
Just remember kiddies, Greenpeace's revenues are around $500million a year.
 
2014-06-19 06:05:15 PM

charlesmartel11235: Call me back when green peacers shoot up a walmart or attempt to assassinate a politician.


media0.giphy.com
 
2014-06-19 06:05:23 PM
I still haven't come across an evangelized Christian earth stewardship sect that made as much noise as a single 911 Truther
 
2014-06-19 06:05:47 PM
Heh, I wish the French would bomb one of their ships again.
 
2014-06-19 06:06:06 PM

Shazam999: Just remember kiddies, Greenpeace's revenues are around $500million a year.


Not bad for a bunch of commies.  I'm sure they'll redistribute their wealth to the poor
 
2014-06-19 06:07:00 PM

mbillips: Fark Norway. Leave the farking whales alone, you assholes. You don't need them; they make dogfood out of the meat.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-19 06:07:08 PM

charlesmartel11235: Call me back when green peacers shoot up a walmart or attempt to assassinate a
politician.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-enters-discovery-channel-headquarter s- employees-evacuated/story?id=11535128
 
2014-06-19 06:10:22 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Shazam999: Just remember kiddies, Greenpeace's revenues are around $500million a year.

Not bad for a bunch of commies.  I'm sure they'll redistribute their wealth to the poor


The trickle down effect you are feeling is in fact whale piss.
 
2014-06-19 06:12:01 PM

olddinosaur: Geotpf: Anybody want to comment on his scientific assertions, which are basically saying that global warming is actually a good thing because humans and the crops we eat do better in warmer climates?


The basic science is this:  Plants "inhale" CO2 and "exhale"  oxygen, so if it is hotter, more plants will grow.

In addition, there are 7 billion people in the world and many are quite hungry, so if the growing season is extended and more farmland is available, so much the better.

More heat evaporates more ocean water so there would be more rain, not less.


That 8-year-old-level of scientific understanding would be swell if the planet were a uniform mass. Unfortunately, we currently grow just barely enough food on the arable land (and catch a decreasing amount of fish) to support 7 billion people. A hotter climate shifts the rainfall to different places, so some (possibly much) of that arable land will no longer be able to grow as much food, and other areas that get the right amount of rain and sunshine after the climate change are less fertile, have the wrong topography, are inaccessible, etc.

Worst-case end result is less food than mouths, widescale starvation, war, economic collapse. It's happened any number of times in the past, just not yet on a global scale.
 
2014-06-19 06:13:13 PM

olddinosaur: The basic science is this:  Plants "inhale" CO2 and "exhale"  oxygen, so if it is hotter, more plants will grow.


Well, at least you're not denying it. But saying it's a good thing is insane.
 
2014-06-19 06:13:26 PM

charlesmartel11235: Call me back when green peacers shoot up a walmart or attempt to assassinate a politician.


No one is going to call you.  Ever.
 
2014-06-19 06:14:57 PM
There's plenty to argue with scientifically in what he's said.
1) Life? Sure, because archaea have been present since ~3.8bn years ago, and oceans and other sinks only saturated with oxygen starting ~0.85bn years ago. Furthermore, solar output was lower then (the faint young sun paradox); recent research has shown that historical *temperatures* were fairly well controlled (Hospitable Archean Climates Simulated by a General Circulation Model; Wolf et al, 2013).
2) Yes, climate in the past has been different, and occasionally warmer. However, in those times, the biosphere was also much, much different and based on the records we do have, the changes that happened (other than at mass extinction events) happened relatively slowly, versus the sudden step change (in geological terms) we are about to induce.
3) See 1.
4) We depend on a biosphere which is mostly not composed of tropical animals.
5) Plants are limited by available nutrients and water in most conditions, and photosynthesis in C3 plants (~95% of the biosphere) can't take place in high temperatures. The result of this is that extra CO2 doesn't help outside of a greenhouse where those needs are explicitly met.
6) See 5.
7) Sure, it may be possible. However, the soils in boreal forests tend to be quite acidic, which most plants aren't too keen on. Some soils are amenable to agriculture; others require a lot of work.
8) See 5.
9) Recent research on that shows that much of the warming has been happening in the Arctic, and observation has been hampered by sparse station networks. If I recall correctly, most of the additional heat content has been going into the deep ocean.
 
2014-06-19 06:15:40 PM

Shazam999: Just remember kiddies, Greenpeace's revenues are around $500million a year.


citationneeded.jpg
 
2014-06-19 06:16:30 PM

LazyMedia: and other areas that get the right amount of rain and sunshine after the climate change are less fertile, have the wrong topography, are inaccessible


Citation needed!
You alarmist types just make shiat up
 
2014-06-19 06:19:34 PM

LazyMedia: It's happened any number of times in the past, just not yet on a global scale.


So, local climates experience changes? Thanks, Einstein.
 
2014-06-19 06:20:03 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Shazam999: Just remember kiddies, Greenpeace's revenues are around $500million a year.

citationneeded.jpg


Type "Greenpeace annual report" into Google.  Just remember, the numbers are in EUROs.
 
2014-06-19 06:20:14 PM

mbillips: Breitbart link.


Words hurt your brain? Or are your beliefs so weak they crumble from differing views?
 
2014-06-19 06:21:33 PM
The lefties on Fark will disagree and call you a racist.
 
2014-06-19 06:21:57 PM

bronaugh: However, the soils in boreal forests tend to be quite acidic, which most plants aren't too keen on. Some soils are amenable to agriculture; others require a lot of work.


Nah.  Soil acidity is almost totally dependent on the underlying substrate.  Alberta, for instance, even though it has a lot of boreal forest, has a lot of alkaline soil areas.  No, falling evergreen needles don't change soil acidity, despite what anyone tells you.
 
2014-06-19 06:26:22 PM

Uncle Tractor: Greenpeace is and has always been a scam. "Here's a picture of a baby seal. Send us your money." They have no credibility and nothing they say is worth listening to. Nothing but a bunch of con artists. Fark Greenpeace and their crazy sidekick Sea Shepard.

/norwegian here
//old enough to remember their anti-whaling bullshiat
///[i560.photobucket.com image 44x12]  em all


Leaving Greenpeace aside, whaling is asinine. What do you need to kill peaceful intelligent animals for that are just roaming the sea?

and so what if it's a cultural thing ... slavery used to be a cultural thing and so did women as chattel, fark all that shyte.

\Greenpeace seems like a bunch of bombastic turds but at least they disrupt whale hunts
 
2014-06-19 06:31:05 PM

Uncle Tractor: Greenpeace is and has always been a scam. "Here's a picture of a baby seal. Send us your money." They have no credibility and nothing they say is worth listening to. Nothing but a bunch of con artists. Fark Greenpeace and their crazy sidekick Sea Shepard.


I get more concerned at their opposition to GM vitamin A-enhanced foods

Killing millions of babies for the sake of (unproven) dogma
 
2014-06-19 06:31:08 PM

Egalitarian: Uncle Tractor: Greenpeace is and has always been a scam. "Here's a picture of a baby seal. Send us your money." They have no credibility and nothing they say is worth listening to. Nothing but a bunch of con artists. Fark Greenpeace and their crazy sidekick Sea Shepard.

/norwegian here
//old enough to remember their anti-whaling bullshiat
///[i560.photobucket.com image 44x12]  em all

Leaving Greenpeace aside, whaling is asinine. What do you need to kill peaceful intelligent animals for that are just roaming the sea?

and so what if it's a cultural thing ... slavery used to be a cultural thing and so did women as chattel, fark all that shyte.

\Greenpeace seems like a bunch of bombastic turds but at least they disrupt whale hunts


But they're so delicious!

/ The whales.
/ I'm sure some of the Greenpeace members taste delicious too.
 
2014-06-19 06:35:19 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

"The man you trusted isn't Wavy Gravy at all. And all this time, I've been smoking harmless tobacco."
 
2014-06-19 06:47:23 PM

MyRandomName: mbillips: Breitbart link.

Words hurt your brain? Or are your beliefs so weak they crumble from differing views?


He's scared of differing views.
 
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