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(Some Guy)   Licensed figurines released by Mattel ahead of 2016's 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice' movie reignites ultimate nerd argument: who would win in a fight, Batman or Superman? Spoiler alert: Batman. Obviously   (toynews-online.biz) divider line 159
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2014-06-19 08:41:59 AM
Lets see here

Batman is the worlds greatest detective and is basically always prepared.  He is well aware of the fact that in the past superman has lost control and threatened the planet, and Batman has on several occasions admitted to being prepared to take on superman should he decide it is necessary.

Superman is the worlds strongest man and has one weakness.

I'm pretty sure Batman carries some kryptonite in his utility belt.  Also it's non canon but geriatric Batman  did kick superman's ass in the Dark knight Returns part 2.

Also the real reason Batman would win, Batman has more fans.
 
2014-06-19 09:16:10 AM
Heat vision laser from orbit.
Game over.
 
2014-06-19 09:26:18 AM
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Oh, I'm definitely going to see this movie if Ben Affleck wears that.

/is the cape somehow Kryptonite as well?
 
2014-06-19 09:29:48 AM
Warner Brothers?
 
2014-06-19 09:45:28 AM
Batman only wins if he's written like the Mary Sue that Grant Morrison made him into.

Otherwise, Batman loses to just about every member of the JLA.

/even Aquaman.
 
2014-06-19 09:50:07 AM
"Oh, you have a small quantity of a rock that causes me to slowly weaken.  Well, I move faster than the speed of sound and can crush your skull like a grape."
 
2014-06-19 09:54:44 AM

James!: "Oh, you have a small quantity of a rock that causes me to slowly weaken.  Well, I move faster than the speed of sound and can crush your skull like a grape."


The funniest part would be if the kryptonite Superman gave to Batman was just some fake rock painted neon green, just so Batman would think he had some control when Supes finally goes apeshiat.

/go read Mark Waid's Irredeemable for a good look at what happens when a Superman-like character finally decides to go apeshiat. No amount of planning helps.
 
2014-06-19 09:59:28 AM

Egoy3k: Superman is the worlds strongest man and has one weakness.


Actually he has more than one weakness:
Kryptonite
Magic
Mind Control
Anyone or thing more powerful than him.
 
2014-06-19 10:05:57 AM

Egoy3k: I'm pretty sure Batman carries some kryptonite in his utility belt.


I thought Batman had a kid. Wouldn't carrying Kryptonite in his belt for his whole career render him impotent? I realize it doesn't hurt humans but it's still radioactive.

Anyway, Batman has to beat Superman. It would be boring and pointless otherwise. Superman nukes Batman from orbit with his eye lasers. There's your 5 minute movie/5 page comic.
 
2014-06-19 10:08:35 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Heat vision laser from orbit.
Game over.


shiat, I didn't see your post, sorry.
 
2014-06-19 10:12:22 AM

Mugato: Egoy3k: I'm pretty sure Batman carries some kryptonite in his utility belt.

I thought Batman had a kid. Wouldn't carrying Kryptonite in his belt for his whole career render him impotent? I realize it doesn't hurt humans but it's still radioactive.

Anyway, Batman has to beat Superman. It would be boring and pointless otherwise. Superman nukes Batman from orbit with his eye lasers. There's your 5 minute movie/5 page comic.


It's in a shielded compartment.  Otherwise it would mess Superman up every time they worked together.

/ I know it's not canonical, but in LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes Unite, Batman kept the kryptonite in the bat cave, not in his utility belt.
 
2014-06-19 10:14:15 AM

serial_crusher: It's in a shielded compartment.  Otherwise it would mess Superman up every time they worked together.


Yeah I guess that makes sense. But then when Supes uses his X-ray vision to check out Bruce's package, he'll notice the blank spot on the belt and the jig is up.
 
2014-06-19 10:16:04 AM

James!: "Oh, you have a small quantity of a rock that causes me to slowly weaken.  Well, I move faster than the speed of sound and can crush your skull like a grape."


Slowly is so slowly most of the time. Most of the time it's "See this shiny rock?!" *Superman hits his knees*. They basically turned it into that so that Lex could get away. And not to mention..

WAIT WHAT AM I DOING?!?! THIS IS ANOTHER SUPERMAN VS BATMAN THREAD!!!
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2014-06-19 10:19:08 AM

Mugato: I thought Batman had a kid


He does, though Damian is currently dead.
 
2014-06-19 10:21:37 AM

texdent: Mugato: I thought Batman had a kid

He does, though Damian is currently dead.


I only know that because there's a Son of Batman movie in the Red Box.

/really has no business posting in a comic book thread
 
2014-06-19 10:26:56 AM
I doubt either one of them will "win" this particular movie.  They'll go back and forth over their philosophical differences for most of it; Superman will interfere with one of Batman's operations and ruin it; Batman will use his detective skills to uncover Superman's identity; they'll fight to a stalemate during which time a greater threat emerges and they realize they have to work together to stop it.

/ Green Arrow will be there to help.
 
2014-06-19 10:28:02 AM
The Flash. He would tattoo dickbutts, Mr. Cool Ice and "I (heart) Stan Lee" onto each of their faces in a nanosecond before the fight even started and the shame will kill them both.
 
2014-06-19 10:32:15 AM

serial_crusher: Batman will use his detective skills


That would practically be a first in a Movie Batman.

 I could imagine the scene though.

"Computer, add glasses and cross reference with the Metropolis DMV.....my God."
 
2014-06-19 10:36:56 AM
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2014-06-19 10:38:34 AM

serial_crusher: I doubt either one of them will "win" this particular movie.  They'll go back and forth over their philosophical differences for most of it; Superman will interfere with one of Batman's operations and ruin it; Batman will use his detective skills to uncover Superman's identity; they'll fight to a stalemate during which time a greater threat emerges and they realize they have to work together to stop it.

/ Green Arrow will be there to help.


Actually I was just hoping that Superman would get all "I'm so much better than you" and rattle off something about being sorry about Bruce's parents there by revealing he knows who Batman is. Batman just corrects something about Kent's last news article.

I know this is beating a worn out drum, but Superman The Animated Series did this perfectly.
 
2014-06-19 11:10:01 AM
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2014-06-19 11:10:45 AM
Those are some interesting body proportions.
 
2014-06-19 11:11:50 AM
Batman, because he has the greatest superpower of all...."plot-armor"


I'm tired of all the Batman fan wankery, honestly.  He's a good character but he's not as awesome as his freaking fans make him out to be.  He's at his best when he's taking on his own rogues gallery, or fighting against the mafia.  Take him out of those situations and he really can't hold a candle to 99% of the League.  Most of the threats the League faces, Bats would end up as a greasy, bloodstained cowl on the cobblestones.  But he's got really thick plot-armor, so he always contrives some ridiculous way to win.
 
2014-06-19 11:12:04 AM
It would last about as long as Bambi VS. Godzilla.
 
2014-06-19 11:13:46 AM

serial_crusher: I doubt either one of them will "win" this particular movie. They'll go back and forth over their philosophical differences for most of it; Superman will interfere with one of Batman's operations and ruin it; Batman will use his detective skills to uncover Superman's identity; they'll fight to a stalemate during which time a greater threat emerges and they realize they have to work together to stop it.


I believe this story was done in Superman: TAS, in the multipart episode "World's Finest".
 
2014-06-19 11:15:00 AM
If Superman goes rogue, it's game over. He wins. If Batman is the one to go rogue, then he has a chance.
 
2014-06-19 11:15:29 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I know this is beating a worn out drum, but Superman The Animated Series did this perfectly.


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2014-06-19 11:15:34 AM
Batman. More likely to fight dirty when the pressure is on.
 
2014-06-19 11:17:30 AM
What a farking joke. In-human alien with basically magic powers versus a rich guy in a fancy suit. How is this even debatable, and HOW could you stretch that bullshiat into a movie?
 
2014-06-19 11:17:46 AM

ristst: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I know this is beating a worn out drum, but Superman The Animated Series did this perfectly.

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It's exactly what I was going for when I wrote that post.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
2014-06-19 11:19:03 AM
texdent

Magic

That suggests a potentially cool Elseworlds type deal...Bruce Wayne is rich as shiat, so taking a decade or so to learn some sorcery should be no big deal. Batman: now with added wizardry that Superman can't do much about.

/no idea how magic works in DC
//has it been done?
///would be a pretty cool inversion to the current Injustice line...the Batman, Archmage who conquered the world, and his plucky nemesis, Superguy
 
2014-06-19 11:19:03 AM

FirstNationalBastard: The funniest part would be if the kryptonite Superman gave to Batman was just some fake rock painted neon green, just so Batman would think he had some control when Supes finally goes apeshiat.


The Sacrifice storyline than ran in conjunction with Infinite Crisis had Superman nearly killing Batman. Sure, he was mind controlled by Maxwell Lord to think Batman was Darksied, but it goes to shows that when Superman doesn't hold back, Batman doesn't really have a chance.

texdent: Mind Control


I don't think anyone besides Fire is immune to mind control. And she's only resistant to it because english is her second language.
 
2014-06-19 11:20:59 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Batman only wins if he's written like the Mary Sue that Grant Morrison made him into.

Otherwise, Batman loses to just about every member of the JLA.

/even Aquaman.


THIS. This also is a huge problem for DC: What do you do when your most popular superhero character is also the one that has no superpowers? This is why Batman's buddy Jim Gordon is getting his own TV series while superheroes like Martian Manhunter and Dr. Fate have not been seen on live action TV or movies yet.
 
2014-06-19 11:21:24 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Those are some interesting body proportions.


I think they had a warehouse full of "Battlefield Earth" figures that never sold and just re-purposed them.

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2014-06-19 11:22:48 AM

SovietCanuckistan: What a farking joke. In-human alien with basically magic powers versus a rich guy in a fancy suit. How is this even debatable, and HOW could you stretch that bullshiat into a movie?


Someone hasn't read or seen the end of the dark knight returns
 
2014-06-19 11:24:12 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Those are some interesting body proportions.

I think they had a warehouse full of "Battlefield Earth" figures that never sold and just re-purposed them.

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Oh damn someone took Tom Cruise's heels.
 
2014-06-19 11:24:51 AM

Jaws75: FirstNationalBastard: Batman only wins if he's written like the Mary Sue that Grant Morrison made him into.

Otherwise, Batman loses to just about every member of the JLA.

/even Aquaman.

THIS. This also is a huge problem for DC: What do you do when your most popular superhero character is also the one that has no superpowers? This is why Batman's buddy Jim Gordon is getting his own TV series while superheroes like Martian Manhunter and Dr. Fate have not been seen on live action TV or movies yet.


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The hell you say.
 
2014-06-19 11:25:25 AM

AntonChigger: SovietCanuckistan: What a farking joke. In-human alien with basically magic powers versus a rich guy in a fancy suit. How is this even debatable, and HOW could you stretch that bullshiat into a movie?

Someone hasn't read or seen the end of the dark knight returns


And that requires a dumb Superman that would face Batman one on one instead of literally nuking him from orbit with heat vision.

Basically, that happens in one Frank Miller story, and we have to be glad he didn't make Superman a whore, too.
 
2014-06-19 11:25:36 AM

OgrePDX: If Superman goes rogue, it's game over. He wins. If Batman is the one to go rogue, then he has a chance.


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2014-06-19 11:26:53 AM

Jaws75: THIS. This also is a huge problem for DC: What do you do when your most popular superhero character is also the one that has no superpowers? This is why Batman's buddy Jim Gordon is getting his own TV series while superheroes like Martian Manhunter and Dr. Fate have not been seen on live action TV or movies yet.


Well part of that might be taken care of soon...
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/From the upcoming Constantine show
 
2014-06-19 11:28:12 AM

SovietCanuckistan: What a farking joke. In-human alien with basically magic powers versus a rich guy in a fancy suit. How is this even debatable, and HOW could you stretch that bullshiat into a movie?


I dunno...

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2014-06-19 11:28:22 AM

texdent: Egoy3k: Superman is the worlds strongest man and has one weakness.

Actually he has more than one weakness:
Kryptonite
Magic
Mind Control
Anyone or thing more powerful than him.


So Superman could beat Batman, but Zatanna would kick his but?
 
2014-06-19 11:28:26 AM

FirstNationalBastard: AntonChigger: SovietCanuckistan: What a farking joke. In-human alien with basically magic powers versus a rich guy in a fancy suit. How is this even debatable, and HOW could you stretch that bullshiat into a movie?

Someone hasn't read or seen the end of the dark knight returns

And that requires a dumb Superman that would face Batman one on one instead of literally nuking him from orbit with heat vision.

Basically, that happens in one Frank Miller story, and we have to be glad he didn't make Superman a whore, too.


The quick DKR wiki did not change my mind on this. HE IS AN ALIEN WITH MAGIC and HE CAN FLY.
 
2014-06-19 11:28:34 AM
Who would win?
Alfred
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2014-06-19 11:33:05 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: texdent: Egoy3k: Superman is the worlds strongest man and has one weakness.

Actually he has more than one weakness:
Kryptonite
Magic
Mind Control
Anyone or thing more powerful than him.

So Superman could beat Batman, but Zatanna would kick his but?


To be fair, Batman is also vulnerable against magic.
 
2014-06-19 11:33:25 AM

Mugato: serial_crusher: Batman will use his detective skills

That would practically be a first in a Movie Batman.

 I could imagine the scene though.

"Computer, add glasses and cross reference with the Metropolis DMV.....my God."


Are you keeping up with the "New 52: Future's End" series that's currently running?  It's not great, but I did get a kick out of the fact that Lois Lane managed to track down Tim Drake and figure out that he used to be Robin, despite his having a beard now and not wearing a mask any more.
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Seriously, this is the woman who was fooled for years by a pair of glasses despite being in a love triangle with both Superman and Clark Kent.
 
2014-06-19 11:33:57 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I think they had a warehouse full of "Battlefield Earth" figures that never sold and just re-purposed them.


"He's got an armadillo in his trousers"

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Jaws75: What do you do when your most popular superhero character is also the one that has no superpowers?


Well if they ever made him an actual scientist or detective. I'm not talking about the comic or animated show, just the movies where he's pretty much a ninja (or in Burton's films a psycho) and not much else. But writing for a detective or scientist is hard.

Make the TV show like some others have done successfully. Make Bruce a consultant for the Gotham PD who is smarter than all the cops. Or he only communicates with Gordon and lets Gordon have all the credit for the crimes Bruce solves. Write an intelligent Riddler, not the Jim Carrey bullshiat. Make Batman actually smart like he's supposed to be.
 
2014-06-19 11:39:11 AM

serial_crusher: Are you keeping up with the "New 52: Future's End" series that's currently running?  It's not great, but I did get a kick out of the fact that Lois Lane managed to track down Tim Drake and figure out that he used to be Robin, despite his having a beard now and not wearing a mask any more.


I actually don't even read the comics. All I know is from the movies and The Dark Knight Returns. And Arkham Asylum, the comic not the game.

Although it's a running joke that Superman's only disguise was a pair of glasses, Christopher Reeve pulled it off. In the scene where Lois is in the other room and Clark is contemplating telling her, he takes off his glasses and completely transforms into Superman (with no visual FX).
 
2014-06-19 11:40:53 AM
I've said this multiple times and it bears repeating again:

The only way for this fight to have any tension, you have to have both combatants balanced enough against each other to where you're not sure which way it'll go.

You have to 'believe' that a man in a tech suit can take a demigod with next to no weaknesses and obscene power levels.

The only way that happens is if you cripple Superman with Kryptonite...at which point, he no longer stands a chance against Batman.  The pendulum swings all the way over to the other side.

In short, this fight can never ever ever be suspenseful or tense.  It's either a squash by Superman..or if Kryptonite is involved, then it's a squash by Batman.

And there's no way around it without redefining one of those three elements.  That's DC's problem, though.  They're the retards trying to force The Avengers-level cash flow without putting in any of the effort of setting a solid foundation or taking risks.
 
2014-06-19 11:42:24 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: texdent: Egoy3k: Superman is the worlds strongest man and has one weakness.

Actually he has more than one weakness:
Kryptonite
Magic
Mind Control
Anyone or thing more powerful than him.

So Superman could beat Batman, but Zatanna would kick his but?


If she could get off an attack before he smushed her.
 
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