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(Orlando Sentinel)   Police decide to alleviate some boredom by doing a sex sting, manage to snare 23 people, though only five were women   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 49
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2014-06-19 01:23:11 PM  
Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?
 
2014-06-19 01:43:52 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?
 
2014-06-19 01:49:42 PM  
read it as sex swing. Got excited.
re read it. Boner gone.
Boo.
 
2014-06-19 01:50:11 PM  

Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?


I don't think this was street prostitution.
 
2014-06-19 01:52:02 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


All the health/crime arguments I've read are more rooted in the illegality (and therefore lack of regulation) rather than the act itself.

I say legalize, require licenses to buy and sell, and those licenses require frequent STD tests. Tax it, and pay the national debt with farking.
 
2014-06-19 01:52:50 PM  
So in other words, a bigger sausagefest than Jimmy Dean's funeral.
 
2014-06-19 01:53:20 PM  

webcamCat: read it as sex swing. Got excited.
re read it. Boner gone.
Boo.


Same here.  Now I'm sad. :(
 
2014-06-19 01:53:27 PM  
Stop using sex as a weapon.
 
2014-06-19 01:55:46 PM  

Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?


Thing is, I think if it were legalized they wouldn't have to be giving bjs on the corner for 10 bucks. The reason it's been pushed to the streets is because you can't go to a brothel to get it.
 
2014-06-19 01:59:24 PM  

miss diminutive: Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?

Thing is, I think if it were legalized they wouldn't have to be giving bjs on the corner for 10 bucks. The reason it's been pushed to the streets is because you can't go to a brothel to get it.


Yep. If it were run as a proper business, within a clean, regulated (and taxed!) environment and the workers were required to be monitored for STDs, then it'd be much, much safer for most everybody.
 
2014-06-19 02:03:22 PM  

miss diminutive: Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?

Thing is, I think if it were legalized they wouldn't have to be giving bjs on the corner for 10 bucks. The reason it's been pushed to the streets is because you can't go to a brothel to get it.


Maybe so, but I still wouldn't want a brothel nearby either. I say, keep it on the internet where it belongs. Then the two consenting adults can meet at a hotel, or place of residence.
 
2014-06-19 02:03:28 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


Also, if I'm not mistaken, if you are the prostitute or the John and get caught, you have to register as a sex offender in some places.  WTF?
 
2014-06-19 02:06:47 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


The line of thinking is the same line of thinking when it comes to the discussion on drugs. By making it illegal, the message being sent is that it is bad. Partaking or providing is bad. Through it being illegal, the prevalence of and visibility of the act/product is greatly diminished. This means then fewer folks will partake in it either way, which in turn should theoretically, result in a lower rate of subsequent crimes as a result of both. This forces the acts to go underground, which in turn makes it more difficult to get and at the same time makes it more dangerous because it is not being scrutinized.

So, then the argument becomes does making it safer for the hookers/johns outweigh the potential negatives? Just because you might be saving lives, doesn't necessarily mean you aren't also destroying and condemning them as well. It is very disingenuous to say that law should have nothing to do with morality. Laws are almost precisely a reflection of the values of the lawmakers.
 
2014-06-19 02:11:48 PM  

menschenfresser: miss diminutive: Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?

Thing is, I think if it were legalized they wouldn't have to be giving bjs on the corner for 10 bucks. The reason it's been pushed to the streets is because you can't go to a brothel to get it.

Yep. If it were run as a proper business, within a clean, regulated (and taxed!) environment and the workers were required to be monitored for STDs, then it'd be much, much safer for most everybody.


There would still be cranked out skanks giving blowjobs for $10 on the street corner. Hopefully fewer, but there would still be a market for $10 blowjobs.
 
2014-06-19 02:15:37 PM  
...only 5 were women"

Are they sure?

It IS Fla.
 
2014-06-19 02:18:08 PM  
Ah yes. Trial by Media.Guilty until proven guilty.
Most people love a juicy sex scandal.  Especially the alpha males (cops) and their wannabes, and of course  sanctimonious sex-hating little old ladies, too..

GAWD hates SEX because it's DURR-DEE!!!
 
2014-06-19 02:18:09 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


On the surface, I agree.  A person should be allowed to sell their body, if someone is willing to pay for it.  It's a transaction between consenting adults.
However...  Pimping should definitely be illegal.  Any sort of human slavery should be.

On top of that, there is the risk to both the prostitute and the customer.  No one is there to make sure that the transaction is "safe".  Diseases, possiblity of violence, etc...  I think those are the reasons it remains illegal.
In places like Nevada, they allow prostitution because the gov't gets involved in regulating it.  So both parties know it's safe.

So, going back to my original opinion...  It would be nice if people could be trusted to handle business like this.  But the fact is, they can't.  That's why you either get Nevada style regulation, or outright illegal.  Those are your choices.
 
2014-06-19 02:18:48 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


Much of it is a consequence of Catharine MacKinnon's writing on the harm of pornography.  The arguments carry over to prostitution in pretty straightforward ways.

It may be impossible to satisfy your request for a non-moralistic dogma approach.  But I'm not sure that we should care about that, since an argument against, say, murder will presumably have to appeal to some kind of moralistic principle, too.

Some of the ideas go back to folks like Kant and Mill.  Mill thought it was immoral to sell oneself into slavery because it takes away the goal to which free will is supportive, namely the control over one's own actions.  Kant thought that a person should not sell their body as a commodity, a point which he develops over several interesting pages in the Lectures on Ethics.  Kant's thinking is that persons must be respected as intrinsically valuable, and thus cannot be treated in ways that frame them as mere tools.  In Kant's view, prostitution was an example of caving to an animalistic appetite that degrades and disrespects us.
 
2014-06-19 02:21:56 PM  
Legaliz-blah, blah, blah...

Whatever, people.

/ #10 is kinda cute.
 
2014-06-19 02:26:19 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


Because Jesus.
 
2014-06-19 02:32:23 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

The line of thinking is the same line of thinking when it comes to the discussion on drugs. By making it illegal, the message being sent is that it is bad. Partaking or providing is bad. Through it being illegal, the prevalence of and visibility of the act/product is greatly diminished. This means then fewer folks will partake in it either way, which in turn should theoretically, result in a lower rate of subsequent crimes as a result of both. This forces the acts to go underground, which in turn makes it more difficult to get and at the same time makes it more dangerous because it is not being scrutinized.

So, then the argument becomes does making it safer for the hookers/johns outweigh the potential negatives? Just because you might be saving lives, doesn't necessarily mean you aren't also destroying and condemning them as well. It is very disingenuous to say that law should have nothing to do with morality. Laws are almost precisely a reflection of the values of the lawmakers.


All I see is someone's blind devotion to their outdated dogma causes them to simply put some things in a box marked "bad".  Sex as an understood, coy exchange of gifts, food, services or lodging, good.  Sex with an explicit, agreed-upon price, bad.  Alcohol, nicotine, good.  Marijuana, MDMA, bad.  There is neither logic nor consistency, which are not good things for the laws of the land to be missing.  So what are the potential negatives, and could they be anywhere near as bad as the cycle of prison and poverty we have now?
 
2014-06-19 02:34:04 PM  
Some great mugshots there....lots of grist for the photoshop mill....hint hint....
 
2014-06-19 02:35:12 PM  

durbnpoisn: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

On the surface, I agree.  A person should be allowed to sell their body, if someone is willing to pay for it.  It's a transaction between consenting adults.
However...  Pimping should definitely be illegal.  Any sort of human slavery should be.

On top of that, there is the risk to both the prostitute and the customer.  No one is there to make sure that the transaction is "safe".  Diseases, possiblity of violence, etc...  I think those are the reasons it remains illegal.
In places like Nevada, they allow prostitution because the gov't gets involved in regulating it.  So both parties know it's safe.

So, going back to my original opinion...  It would be nice if people could be trusted to handle business like this.  But the fact is, they can't.  That's why you either get Nevada style regulation, or outright illegal.  Those are your choices.


I read an article once about one women who worked at a brothel in Nevada. It was mostly positive, but there was one major complaint. Basically, the law says that the prostitute has the right to say no to a customer, and it was mostly abided by. But the woman said that the brothel management would give away gift certificates and the prostitutes were obligated to honor them for some reason.
 
2014-06-19 02:36:35 PM  

Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?

Thing is, I think if it were legalized they wouldn't have to be giving bjs on the corner for 10 bucks. The reason it's been pushed to the streets is because you can't go to a brothel to get it.

Maybe so, but I still wouldn't want a brothel nearby either. I say, keep it on the internet where it belongs. Then the two consenting adults can meet at a hotel, or place of residence.


Hotels and places of residence are exactly the wrong places for prostitution, because the noise and traffic disturbs the neighbors. One of the advantages of legal brothels is that they can be zoned into an entertainment district with bars, nightclubs, and other sexually oriented businesses.
 
2014-06-19 02:41:35 PM  
Heck, I'm an engineer and I sell myself for money 8 hours or more a day.  There's very little reason sex work should be illegal, and very good reasons why it should be legal and regulated.
 
2014-06-19 02:41:53 PM  
Picking up a chick at a bar and going home with her for casual sex is not a crime. The same arguments about risk of disease and physical harm apply. Its only a crime if money is involved?

That really sounds whacko to me.

What about, "Hello sailor! Let's go over to my place and get to know each other better. We can use my car. Just give me $200 for gas."
 
2014-06-19 02:45:26 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


Any endeavor where an otherwise poor person can make a decent amount of money has to be squashed. (Don't forget that financial prejudice while you're at it).
 
2014-06-19 02:45:40 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


This may not be the only reason, but feminism is wild-eyed-fanatically opposed to females selling sex.
 
2014-06-19 02:52:01 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

This may not be the only reason, but feminism is wild-eyed-fanatically opposed to females selling sex.



Not that you're saying otherwise, but there are a LOT of non-females also selling themselves "for a good time."
 
2014-06-19 02:54:33 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


Because prostitution is a gateway to Sharpie eyebrows.
 
2014-06-19 03:14:19 PM  

Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?


You've been to my neighborhood? And it's 20 for you snooty types.
 
2014-06-19 03:15:39 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

This may not be the only reason, but feminism is wild-eyed-fanatically opposed to females selling sex.


Feminism died in the 60's, NOW is nothing more than a political party.
 
2014-06-19 03:20:39 PM  
Krieghund:  Hotels and places of residence are exactly the wrong places for prostitution, because the noise and traffic disturbs the neighbors.

Yet its perfectly legal to bang a screaming chick in your bedroom, as long as its dinner and a movie that she gets, instead of direct cash.
 
2014-06-19 03:25:30 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: ThrobblefootSpectre: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

This may not be the only reason, but feminism is wild-eyed-fanatically opposed to females selling sex.

Feminism died in the 60's, NOW is nothing more than a political party.


Brain death, yes, agreed. Unfortunately the mouth is still yapping away as loud as ever.
 
2014-06-19 03:28:05 PM  

Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Mark Ratner: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?

Thing is, I think if it were legalized they wouldn't have to be giving bjs on the corner for 10 bucks. The reason it's been pushed to the streets is because you can't go to a brothel to get it.

Maybe so, but I still wouldn't want a brothel nearby either. I say, keep it on the internet where it belongs. Then the two consenting adults can meet at a hotel, or place of residence.


There was a brothel a couple blocks from the house where I lived as a teenager in rural Nevada.   I never noticed anything.  The brothel was behind a privacy fence and it didn't seem to draw any sort of crazy traffic and there wasn't unusual crime in the area.   We were right off of I-80 and I think most of their customer were truckers.

If anything, it was more annoying for the brothel to be near us teenagers.   We were always daring each other to prank call the place or go in to ask for applications.
 
2014-06-19 03:40:37 PM  
I wonder how many crimes with actual victims occur while the cops are busy trolling for horny men?
 
2014-06-19 03:55:56 PM  

logic523: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

Much of it is a consequence of Catharine MacKinnon's writing on the harm of pornography.  The arguments carry over to prostitution in pretty straightforward ways.

It may be impossible to satisfy your request for a non-moralistic dogma approach.  But I'm not sure that we should care about that, since an argument against, say, murder will presumably have to appeal to some kind of moralistic principle, too.

Some of the ideas go back to folks like Kant and Mill.  Mill thought it was immoral to sell oneself into slavery because it takes away the goal to which free will is supportive, namely the control over one's own actions.  Kant thought that a person should not sell their body as a commodity, a point which he develops over several interesting pages in the Lectures on Ethics.  Kant's thinking is that persons must be respected as intrinsically valuable, and thus cannot be treated in ways that frame them as mere tools.  In Kant's view, prostitution was an example of caving to an animalistic appetite that degrades and disrespects us.


Interesting, but this also applies to every single person who works for a salary.  We're just selling different parts of our bodies.
 
2014-06-19 04:26:25 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


Historically?  Plenty of good reasons, all geared towards a healthy and ordered society.  Encourages monogamy, reduces illegitimacy, disease, etc.  Banning prostitution was good for families and kids

Nowadays?  Not as much.  Many women have dozens of sexual partners anyway.  When they get around to having kids, they're often with more than one man, or with a man they don't live with for long enough to finish raising the children.
 
2014-06-19 04:26:55 PM  

Mark Ratner: Police mostly target street prostition because, let's be honest, would you really like to live in a neighborhood where a cranked out skank is giving blow jobs for $10, so she can smoke more crack, meth, or heroin?


Then why do we make it completely illegal, rather than simply regulating it, making selling on the street an offense?

the money is in the banana stand: So, then the argument becomes does making it safer for the hookers/johns outweigh the potential negatives? Just because you might be saving lives, doesn't necessarily mean you aren't also destroying and condemning them as well. It is very disingenuous to say that law should have nothing to do with morality. Laws are almost precisely a reflection of the values of the lawmakers.


What are the negatives with prostitution that can't be better addressed through regulation as opposed to prohibition?

durbnpoisn: On the surface, I agree. A person should be allowed to sell their body, if someone is willing to pay for it. It's a transaction between consenting adults.
However... Pimping should definitely be illegal. Any sort of human slavery should be.


I happen to agree with you.

On top of that, there is the risk to both the prostitute and the customer. No one is there to make sure that the transaction is "safe". Diseases, possiblity of violence, etc... I think those are the reasons it remains illegal.

There is where prostitution is legal.  For example, as you mention there are specific positions in Nevada where prostitution is legal that works to ensure health & safety.  The result of this is lower rates of disease transmission than regular non-financial hookups/sleeping around.  As for possibility of violence - in a legal setting what makes prostitution more violence prone/harder to control violence for than things like doctor's visits, massage parlors, and cab rides?

No, I figure it remains illegal more due to morale/religious reasons.  Especially when people start trotting out arguments about the intrinsic harm prostituting does to women, how they're forced into it, etc...  In a legal setting it'd be quite easy for the inspector to regularly question the women as to whether they're being forced, that labor laws are being followed, etc...  Sadly, there are plenty of non-sex employers even in the USA that routinely violate labor laws and exploit workers.
 
2014-06-19 05:02:46 PM  
What legal prostitution might look like...HORRORS! NSFW

http://d.servicio-x.com/bdx/Fotos1.html
 
2014-06-19 05:04:12 PM  
 
2014-06-19 05:05:26 PM  

Toby Flenderson: logic523: miss diminutive:
Interesting, but this also applies to every single person who works for a salary.  We're just selling different parts of our bodies.


That's an argument that some people (Martha Nussbaum, for example) have developed in response to the anti-porn/anti-prostitution feminists.  Not all feminists are against prostitution and pornography.
 
2014-06-19 05:07:23 PM  
your daddy was quite surprised
To find you with the working girls
In the county jail
 
2014-06-19 05:39:52 PM  
Carl ToersBijns, a former deputy warden at the prison, said the assault highlights chronic understaffing and lax security policies that put staff members at risk

Hey, look, the USA locks up more people than anyone else in the world, both in per capita terms, as well as total numbers.  You don't seriously expect the government to SUPERVISE them, do you?  Do you know how unprofitable that would be?  We'd be practically forced to tax rich people.
 
2014-06-19 05:55:28 PM  

miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?


European nations where it is legal (like Germany and the Netherlands) have seen human trafficking problems.
 
2014-06-19 06:14:30 PM  

JustGetItRight: miss diminutive: Why exactly is prostitution illegal? I mean it as a serious question. Is there an argument out there that isn't rooted in moralistic dogma?

European nations where it is legal (like Germany and the Netherlands) have seen human trafficking problems.


What sort of problems?  Do you mean people being smuggled into the country?  As in, where their work can be protected and regulated, unlike the sex-slaves they were in their own countries?  Or do you mean they aren't protected because they're undocumented immigrants?  Because that's still illegal, and so not what we're talking about.  Please explain.
 
2014-06-19 06:24:50 PM  

Precision Boobery: What sort of problems?


Roughly speaking, since the areas that offer legal prostitution is extremely limited, they become saturated where the demand exceeds the supply.  This drives the price up and people to illegal brothels that don't obey the rules and import illegal workers.

And yes, the fact that they're illegal/undocumented is used against them by their captors.

However, the problem happens even in the USA outside of areas where prostitution is illegal.  The only real issue is that due to sex tourists is that the demand is high enough to concentrate the problem somewhat.  But what's missed is that while the problem is concentrated there, if it was legal in more areas there would be less tourism and therefore the problem would remain spread out.  Perhaps even less as each region would be able to have enough legal workers to satisfy the normal demand.
 
2014-06-19 06:35:12 PM  

obamadidcoke: logic523: miss diminutive:

Kant's argument really focus on the buying of slaves not prostitution, and these things are not analogous. However I agree that Kant would have been against prostitution.

The bottom line is as long as we embrace an economic system that creates permanent underclass prostitution will not be a free economic choice, but the product of coercive forces.


Check out Kant in Lectures on Ethics.  He talks explicitly about prostitution there, along with other things, like homosexuality and bestiality.  IIRC, it's in the section called "On Sexual Desire". (I can't find an internet copy of it at the moment, otherwise I would link to it.)

I'm not sure why a permanent underclass has to make prostitution not free.  Much depends on how we interpret "free" here.  There are bound to be some background assumptions you are making that I would need to hear before I accepted your argument.  But I will say that there are plenty of occupations that people wind up in because of coercive economic forces.  I'm not convinced that this is a reason, by itself, to think that the occupation is intrinsically bad.
 
2014-06-19 07:07:34 PM  

Firethorn: But what's missed is that while the problem is concentrated there, if it was legal in more areas there would be less tourism and therefore the problem would remain spread out.


So again, the problems are caused not by the practice itself, but by the illegality of it.  So because it's illegal, it's dangerous and disruptive, so it should be illegal.  I disagree that there would be less tourism.  The tourism just wouldn't be concentrated to certain areas.  If it were more widespread, I'd argue that this would result in more tourism, due to the increased options and availability.  It seems to me this is an argument for more widespread legalization.
 
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