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(UPI)   Conservationists push to triple America's grizzly bear population. What could possibly go horribly, terrifyingly, limb-rendingly wrong?   (upi.com) divider line 61
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2014-06-19 10:29:20 AM
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2014-06-19 10:36:08 AM
I thought it said conservatives.  I was convinced Obama had said something anti-grizzly.
 
2014-06-19 10:43:10 AM
No way this could go wrong.

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2014-06-19 11:28:09 AM
Grizzlies choking on femurs?
 
2014-06-19 11:28:13 AM
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2014-06-19 11:29:43 AM
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2014-06-19 11:30:51 AM

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But, see, bears were always an analogy for the way we take things that represent a proportionally tiny threat and blow it up into a big deal that needs constant attention.  When the show started, it was an obvious parallel for terrorism.  Subby just seems to be earnestly anti-bear, which is more than I can... bear.
 
2014-06-19 11:31:23 AM
This has always been the biggest fear of the Christian Right.
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2014-06-19 11:31:26 AM
Is the word "mauled" ever used in any instance other than a bear attack?
 
2014-06-19 11:32:10 AM
This bears repeating?
 
2014-06-19 11:32:49 AM
"The CBD's plan seeks proliferate the grizzly populations in previously undesignated land in the Gila/Mogollon complex in Arizona and New Mexico, Utah's Uinta Mountains, California's Sierra Nevada and the Grand Canyon in Arizona. "

No Weminuche Wilderness Colorado or Wind Rivers Wyoming? Odd and curious. Hell, Grizzlies may already be in the Winds. Maybe they were 'previously designated'?
 
2014-06-19 11:34:45 AM
Maybe they could adopt from New Jersey?
 
2014-06-19 11:36:08 AM

doubled99: Is the word "mauled" ever used in any instance other than a bear attack?


Yes, it is, in fact, the technical term for any severe assault by a wild animal, except when horns are used, which is "goring".  You can be mauled by a puma, wolf, or even opossum.
 
2014-06-19 11:36:09 AM

EvilEgg: I thought it said conservatives.  I was convinced Obama had said something anti-grizzly.


I thought it said conversationalists.  Meh.

The bears are just going to do the jobs mauling that Americans won't do.
 
2014-06-19 11:36:55 AM
Next on the Nature Channel: "When Pic-a-Nics Go Wrong."

/just say no to boo-boos
 
2014-06-19 11:37:25 AM
These bears have a bad reputation because of their name.

They should rename them something like Nom Nom bears or something cute like that....
 
2014-06-19 11:38:04 AM

doubled99: Is the word "mauled" ever used in any instance other than a bear attack?


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2014-06-19 11:38:45 AM
Ah, these are the nutjobs that want to reintroduce grizzlies to California. That ecological niche has been successfully filled by the much smaller and less aggressive brown bear, so we're good, thanks. When their wet dream of a near (or actual) extinction level plague takes out humans, no doubt grizzlies would make their way back after a few hundred years at most.

If it's ever proven that saber tooth cats were made extinct by prehistoric humans, no doubt these people would be wringing their hands about that as well, and hoping that could be undone by some Jurassic Park type tech.
 
2014-06-19 11:39:09 AM

doubled99: Is the word "mauled" ever used in any instance other than a bear attack?


Qui-gon Jinn's death.
 
2014-06-19 11:39:16 AM

doubled99: Is the word "mauled" ever used in any instance other than a bear attack?


Yeah, when my girlfriend makes me go to the mall with her I think I call it being mauled....
 
2014-06-19 11:40:38 AM

doubled99: Is the word "mauled" ever used in any instance other than a bear attack?


You can be mauled by a cougar but usually that's a good thing.

/Here cougar cougar...
 
2014-06-19 11:41:33 AM
 
2014-06-19 11:43:41 AM
 
2014-06-19 11:44:09 AM
Nothing could come of this other than impending doom...

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2014-06-19 11:45:45 AM
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2014-06-19 11:48:31 AM
Grizzly bear scat smells like pepper spray and has bells in it.
 
2014-06-19 11:50:15 AM

doubled99: Is the word "mauled" ever used in any instance other than a bear attack?


Bill Clinton.  Women.  Alone.
 
2014-06-19 11:57:09 AM

Um...Yo: This has always been the biggest fear of the Christian Right.
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Coincidently also their biggest wet dream.
 
2014-06-19 12:00:04 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: "The CBD's plan seeks proliferate the grizzly populations in previously undesignated land in the Gila/Mogollon complex in Arizona and New Mexico, Utah's Uinta Mountains, California's Sierra Nevada and the Grand Canyon in Arizona. "
No Weminuche Wilderness Colorado or Wind Rivers Wyoming? Odd and curious. Hell, Grizzlies may already be in the Winds. Maybe they were 'previously designated'?


Undesignated for grizzly bear reintroduction. Now they're saying that they can take grizzlies into those areas as part of a reintroduction plan. Just putting it out there, for the lawsuits......

It's the government. You can't just go do something, you have to have a plan. And a plan for that. And an EIS for that. And you'd better have some meetings, to announce your plans.......
 
2014-06-19 12:04:43 PM

cryinoutloud: Ow! That was my feelings!: "The CBD's plan seeks proliferate the grizzly populations in previously undesignated land in the Gila/Mogollon complex in Arizona and New Mexico, Utah's Uinta Mountains, California's Sierra Nevada and the Grand Canyon in Arizona. "
No Weminuche Wilderness Colorado or Wind Rivers Wyoming? Odd and curious. Hell, Grizzlies may already be in the Winds. Maybe they were 'previously designated'?

Undesignated for grizzly bear reintroduction. Now they're saying that they can take grizzlies into those areas as part of a reintroduction plan. Just putting it out there, for the lawsuits......

It's the government. You can't just go do something, you have to have a plan. And a plan for that. And an EIS for that. And you'd better have some meetings, to announce your plans.......


Yeah, something is fishy about their plan. Both the Weminuche and the Winds would be far superior candidates for re-introduction (not advocating) than the areas they want to designate. More rugged, more remote, less chance of human conflict. I'd be curious to know their reasoning, if you could get an honest answer out of them.
 
2014-06-19 12:11:58 PM
Ranchers will shoot them all.

/ they be killin our sheep/cattle/jerbs
 
2014-06-19 12:14:30 PM
Good.

While you're at it, remove the freaking cables from Half Dome. It's the wilderness, not Disney World.
 
2014-06-19 12:25:47 PM
Send them away to Canada
 
2014-06-19 12:31:11 PM
If you leave grizzlies alone, they will leave you alone.  I have run into countless bears around my place, and not once has have any of them been aggressive.

CSB time

I was mountain biking one day with some friends, and I made the mistake of eating a cheeseburger an hour before.  I ended up puking my guts out on the side of the trail, but I kept climbing.  On the way back down I was in the lead, came around the corner where I puked and there was a big grizzly eating my puke.I slammed on my brakes (new discs) and went flying over the handlebars and landed 10 feet away from the bear.  It looked up at me, snorted, and wandered off into the trees.  I think he was laughing at me.  We ran into 4 different bears on that ride, and not one was aggressive.  Although we did see a young one who had just been attacked.  It was dripping blood all over the trail.
 
2014-06-19 12:39:38 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: eah, something is fishy about their plan. Both the Weminuche and the Winds would be far superior candidates for re-introduction (not advocating) than the areas they want to designate. More rugged, more remote, less chance of human conflict. I'd be curious to know their reasoning, if you could get an honest answer out of them.


They're already in the Wind Rivers. Anywhere in Colorado would make an isolated population up there in the high peaks, and they probably wouldn't survive. What they're trying for is a corridor population between all the isolated groups, mostly the Yellowstone and Glacier populations, to prevent inbreeding. Then they'd also be clear to go up into Canada. They're trying to keep them out of the plains areas, but they're moving in anyway. So now they're looking for new places to let them move.


"It seems like bears are going to move into the Wyoming Range and the Wind Rivers," he said. "We want them to be able to move into the central range in Idaho and northwest."
Conservation groups also say the region's grizzlies need connectivity with other populations of bears to maintain genetic diversity. Bear managers say that diversity could be attained, if necessary, by capturing bears from other populations and releasing them in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem to breed.
"Ultimately, we need a connection between Yellowstone and Glacier bears," Pearson said. "Hopefully, that can happen naturally without biologists trucking bears back and forth."">
 
2014-06-19 12:43:45 PM
They are just exercising their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. Wait, do bears have arms?
 
2014-06-19 12:46:54 PM

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I think humanity might be doomed.

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2014-06-19 12:55:47 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: "The CBD's plan seeks proliferate the grizzly populations in previously undesignated land in the Gila/Mogollon complex in Arizona and New Mexico, Utah's Uinta Mountains, California's Sierra Nevada and the Grand Canyon in Arizona. "

No Weminuche Wilderness Colorado or Wind Rivers Wyoming? Odd and curious. Hell, Grizzlies may already be in the Winds. Maybe they were 'previously designated'?


Used to live on the Wyoming side in the Uinta foothills. My ranching friends there are going to be thrilled with that prospect.
 
2014-06-19 01:06:44 PM
There is plenty of room east of the Mississippi to plant Griz and wolves, what are we waiting for?

lude
 
2014-06-19 01:14:54 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: Ranchers will shoot them all.

/ they be killin our sheep/cattle/jerbs


The ones that are eating their livestock will likely be killed.  The others that keep to themselves, will likely be left alone just like the grizzlies in and around Yellowstone.
 
2014-06-19 01:36:56 PM

cryinoutloud: Ow! That was my feelings!: eah, something is fishy about their plan. Both the Weminuche and the Winds would be far superior candidates for re-introduction (not advocating) than the areas they want to designate. More rugged, more remote, less chance of human conflict. I'd be curious to know their reasoning, if you could get an honest answer out of them.

They're already in the Wind Rivers. Anywhere in Colorado would make an isolated population up there in the high peaks, and they probably wouldn't survive. What they're trying for is a corridor population between all the isolated groups, mostly the Yellowstone and Glacier populations, to prevent inbreeding. Then they'd also be clear to go up into Canada. They're trying to keep them out of the plains areas, but they're moving in anyway. So now they're looking for new places to let them move.


"It seems like bears are going to move into the Wyoming Range and the Wind Rivers," he said. "We want them to be able to move into the central range in Idaho and northwest."
Conservation groups also say the region's grizzlies need connectivity with other populations of bears to maintain genetic diversity. Bear managers say that diversity could be attained, if necessary, by capturing bears from other populations and releasing them in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem to breed.
"Ultimately, we need a connection between Yellowstone and Glacier bears," Pearson said. "Hopefully, that can happen naturally without biologists trucking bears back and forth."">


Ok, I get the wildlife corridor argument, but trying to designate new, isolated populations does not support that plan. Quite the opposite. Seems their desire for new areas has more to do with political/legal reasoning than any real support for the Grizzly population. The bears are just an excuse and not a very good one.
 
2014-06-19 01:47:27 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Ok, I get the wildlife corridor argument, but trying to designate new, isolated populations does not support that plan. Quite the opposite. Seems their desire for new areas has more to do with political/legal reasoning than any real support for the Grizzly population. The bears are just an excuse and not a very good one


Pretty much.  The same was done with wolves.  Prior to reintroduction, the stance was that 300 wolves (100/10 breeding pair in each of the 3 states involved) would be considered a sufficient population for delisting purposes and that goal was reached about 2001.  It was not until 2009 until that delisting process was began in earnest and many of the same environmental groups fought tooth and nail against the delisting (some are still fighting it).

I imagine that any approved plan will not be agreed to by the states unless they have a much better plan in place regarding management and delisting criteria.  They don't want a repeat of the wolf debacle.
 
2014-06-19 01:53:55 PM

ZeroPly: Good.

While you're at it, remove the freaking cables from Half Dome. It's the wilderness, not Disney World.


Sadly no, it's a National Park, which are managed quite differently than National Forests or Wilderness areas - they're basically built to let the most people enjoy the most space as possible, hence the bathrooms, water fountains, gas stations, grocery stores, etc.

Compare Joshua Tree (german girls, SoCal hipsters, rock climbers, old people) with Mojave Preserve (hikers, backpackers, geology nerds).

I think its crap, but its taught me to stay out of National Parks.
 
2014-06-19 02:03:37 PM

MemeSlave: but its taught me to stay out of National Parks.


Go in the winter/off-season. I live 1.5 hours from Rocky Mtn NP, great in January, awful in July.
 
2014-06-19 02:26:42 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: "The CBD's plan seeks proliferate the grizzly populations in previously undesignated land in the Gila/Mogollon complex in Arizona and New Mexico, Utah's Uinta Mountains, California's Sierra Nevada and the Grand Canyon in Arizona. "

No Weminuche Wilderness Colorado or Wind Rivers Wyoming? Odd and curious. Hell, Grizzlies may already be in the Winds. Maybe they were 'previously designated'?


I believe there have been sightings in the Wind River Range - as well as the northern Bighorns...
 
2014-06-19 02:30:22 PM
I don't understand this. It's not like bears can express themselves well when talking. Why would conversationists want to include bears in the first place? I mean, they're cute and all, but who wants to talk about honey 24/7?
 
2014-06-19 02:36:01 PM

mtbhucker: If you leave grizzlies alone, they will leave you alone.  I have run into countless bears around my place, and not once has have any of them been aggressive.

CSB time

I was mountain biking one day with some friends, and I made the mistake of eating a cheeseburger an hour before.  I ended up puking my guts out on the side of the trail, but I kept climbing.  On the way back down I was in the lead, came around the corner where I puked and there was a big grizzly eating my puke.I slammed on my brakes (new discs) and went flying over the handlebars and landed 10 feet away from the bear.  It looked up at me, snorted, and wandered off into the trees.  I think he was laughing at me.  We ran into 4 different bears on that ride, and not one was aggressive.  Although we did see a young one who had just been attacked.  It was dripping blood all over the trail.


Because your experiences are representative of every bear encounter.

There have been a number of attacks on people who just happened to stumble into a situation.

While the number of attacks by grizzly bears are small compared to the number of people who recreate in bear territory, they are still a threat to humans.  Precautions should be taken when in grizzly territory - and their population levels need to be controlled.
 
2014-06-19 03:11:35 PM

Repo Man: Ah, these are the nutjobs that want to reintroduce grizzlies to California. That ecological niche has been successfully filled by the much smaller and less aggressive brown bear, so we're good, thanks. When their wet dream of a near (or actual) extinction level plague takes out humans, no doubt grizzlies would make their way back after a few hundred years at most.

If it's ever proven that saber tooth cats were made extinct by prehistoric humans, no doubt these people would be wringing their hands about that as well, and hoping that could be undone by some Jurassic Park type tech.


So grizzlies have been replaced by brown bears, ha? Brown bear==Grizzly. There is no brown bears in CA currently. I assume you meant black bear.

As to black bears being less aggressive towards humans, I beg to differ. At least brown bears do no look at humans as food like black bears do and respond properly to a shot of pepper spray in the face. Black bears not so much, they are more like rats. I've always been able to reason grizzlies in WY and we have always left each other alone other than one time two years ago when I had to deal with a "teenager", a little 2 year old that just would not leave the campground alone and kept on trying to get into the tent all night long. I think he was lonely. Was still sitting there in morning, 20 yards from the tent, undeterred by my loud snoring, then finally split after some spray in his face. We've shot all the truly aggressive bears over last 200 years, so what's left are the most timid ones, most intelligent ones that tend to leave humans alone.

Black bears on the other hand, while smaller, also seem to be much, much dumber and just do not get the message. They get the idea that humans in sleeping bags are like soft shell tacos and that can get really annoying quickly and from my experience, do not get the pepper spray message anywhere as reliably as brown bears do. The 329PD on my hip is for the black rats, the pepper spray is for grizzlies.
 
jvl
2014-06-19 03:12:56 PM
The Sierras? Fark you fish and wildlife! Why don't you repopulate Denver or Oakland first with grizzlies. At least then people would be armed.
 
2014-06-19 03:15:59 PM

MemeSlave: ZeroPly: Good.

While you're at it, remove the freaking cables from Half Dome. It's the wilderness, not Disney World.

Sadly no, it's a National Park, which are managed quite differently than National Forests or Wilderness areas - they're basically built to let the most people enjoy the most space as possible, hence the bathrooms, water fountains, gas stations, grocery stores, etc.

Compare Joshua Tree (german girls, SoCal hipsters, rock climbers, old people) with Mojave Preserve (hikers, backpackers, geology nerds).

I think its crap, but its taught me to stay out of National Parks.


Or walk more than an hour from the road. More or less guarantees leaving about 99.9999 visitors behind
 
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