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2014-06-19 11:22:04 AM  
A front desk worker inside the hotel told us she is aware of the law, but workers can't go against what the owner says.

But they can go against what the law says?
What if the owner said to kill someone? Would you say "F*ck the law, we can't go against what the owner said"?

/you know who else said they were just following orders?
 
2014-06-19 12:33:04 PM  
How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?
 
2014-06-19 12:38:09 PM  
Vaughn says once someone understands the law and still violates it, she switches from mom to attorney. She is an attorney and practices largely in the rights of children with special needs.

Oh shiat, Mama Bear is a lawyer.
 
2014-06-19 12:39:14 PM  

HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?


Doesnt prevent, just lets the parrents know when the kid is writhing on the floor and foaming at the mouth whether or not it is a seizure or the kid is just throwing a fit because you wouldnt turn on cartoons.  You generally treat both situations the same, step over them and wait for them to get over it, but it is nice to know which is which.
 
2014-06-19 12:42:20 PM  

Saiga410: HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?

Doesnt prevent, just lets the parrents know when the kid is writhing on the floor and foaming at the mouth whether or not it is a seizure or the kid is just throwing a fit because you wouldnt turn on cartoons.  You generally treat both situations the same, step over them and wait for them to get over it, but it is nice to know which is which.


Dogs have actually been trained to identify seizures before they hit and can alert parents to they can take protective measures.
 
2014-06-19 12:42:52 PM  
GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

mind you, they let everyone pet them and tell them how nice the ugly mutt is. REAL service dogs arent supposed to be treated like house pets while out.
 
2014-06-19 12:44:24 PM  

StrikitRich: Vaughn says once someone understands the law and still violates it, she switches from mom to attorney. She is an attorney and practices largely in the rights of children with special needs.

Oh shiat, Mama Bear is a lawyer.


good luck with suing, seeing as there is no standard for service mutts, no licensing or anything. literally, ANYONE can claim their pet is a service animal and there isnt shiat people can do about it. 

glad people are sticking up to this stupid shiat finally.
 
2014-06-19 12:46:25 PM  

monoski: Saiga410: HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?

Doesnt prevent, just lets the parrents know when the kid is writhing on the floor and foaming at the mouth whether or not it is a seizure or the kid is just throwing a fit because you wouldnt turn on cartoons.  You generally treat both situations the same, step over them and wait for them to get over it, but it is nice to know which is which.

Dogs have actually been trained to identify seizures before they hit and can alert parents to they can take protective measures.


I'd love to see some studies on effectiveness. Not that this changes anything here, but I wouldn't be shocked if it were BS and wouldn't be shocked it if worked.
 
2014-06-19 12:46:34 PM  
That journalist is a piece of crap,  she tried to make it appear that they wee denied a hotel room because they showed up with a service dog after a a long hot car ride.  Not "my reservation was cancelled weeks before the trip I notified corporate and they gave the owner a talking to." Which is what happened.  It is the kind of dreck I would expect out of an attorney, but the reporter should know better than to produce this crap and manufacturing fake outrage.
 
2014-06-19 12:46:52 PM  

xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

mind you, they let everyone pet them and tell them how nice the ugly mutt is. REAL service dogs arent supposed to be treated like house pets while out.


The ADA is the standard.
 
2014-06-19 12:51:20 PM  

Walker: A front desk worker inside the hotel told us she is aware of the law, but workers can't go against what the owner says.

But they can go against what the law says?
What if the owner said to kill someone? Would you say "F*ck the law, we can't go against what the owner said"?


I'm fairly certain the employees were mainly thinking "Get fired or let the owner get sued" and they chose the option that might let them stay employed.

I just hope they have it on record somewhere that they tried to do the right thing and were not allowed, else the owner is going to put this all on his employees.  The owner sounds like an insufferable dick.
 
2014-06-19 12:59:36 PM  

xtech: StrikitRich: Vaughn says once someone understands the law and still violates it, she switches from mom to attorney. She is an attorney and practices largely in the rights of children with special needs.

Oh shiat, Mama Bear is a lawyer.

good luck with suing, seeing as there is no standard for service mutts, no licensing or anything. literally, ANYONE can claim their pet is a service animal and there isnt shiat people can do about it. 

glad people are sticking up to this stupid shiat finally.


A business may ask if an animal is a service animal, but if the person says, "Yes," that is the end of it.  The business may not ask for any proof or evidence.  Once the business was told is was a service animal they were subject to the ADA and can be sued.

I don't disagree that there needs to be some sort of certification or uniform tag or other identification - similar to handicapped parking stickers - that doctors or other professional can provide and are universally recognized.  Then they can also increase the penalty for failing to recognize service animals because there will be no excuse.
 
2014-06-19 01:00:30 PM  
Good. I wouldn't let 'em stay at my place, either. I mean, the dog is ok, but bringing kids...
 
2014-06-19 01:00:56 PM  

HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?



how in the world do you manage to tie your shoes and turn on a computer?

jfc

"He's a seizure response dog for my son. [Beau] is diagnosed with a rare type of epilepsy called Landau-Kleffner Syndrome. Chip alerts us to when Beau is having a seizure," said Karen. "
 
2014-06-19 01:06:22 PM  

Russ1642: there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

The ADA is the standard.


Well, the ADA is the intentional absence of a standard. Congress and the agencies implementing the act decided that imposing regulations on how service dogs could be trained and licensed were too difficult and the variety of circumstances to be addressed were too broad, so they just decided to do nothing about it. At the same time, the purposefully acted to make it unlawful for a business owner to question the necessity for or certification of the service animal, out of a fear that disabled people would be embarrassed or stigmatized by having to explain their disability and the need for the animal. This makes a petty big loophole for non-disabled people to exploit if they want to. Congress is just counting on people's better natures to ensure this doesn't happen, or at least, doesn't happen very often. You know how those kinds of things usually turn out...
 
2014-06-19 01:10:05 PM  

Russ1642: xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

mind you, they let everyone pet them and tell them how nice the ugly mutt is. REAL service dogs arent supposed to be treated like house pets while out.

The ADA is the standard.


no, it farking isnt. there is no documentation. no licensing. no certificate that says XXXX doge has completed XXXX service animal training.

so fark your ADA, good on the hotel owner for telling these morons to stick it.
 
2014-06-19 01:13:07 PM  

xtech: there is no documentation. no licensing. no certificate that says XXXX doge has completed XXXX service animal training.


What's worse is that those are the same standards by which police dogs are trained.
 
2014-06-19 01:19:32 PM  

HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?


Cats can identify that people are having seizures. They just choose to them them and instead of seeking help they search for someone else to open their tin of food and feed them.
 
2014-06-19 01:22:46 PM  

xtech: no, it farking isnt. there is no documentation. no licensing. no certificate that says XXXX doge has completed XXXX service animal training.

so fark your ADA, good on the hotel owner for telling these morons to stick it.



Trolling an ADA thread?  Are you that bored?
 
2014-06-19 01:23:30 PM  

monoski: Saiga410: HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?

Doesnt prevent, just lets the parrents know when the kid is writhing on the floor and foaming at the mouth whether or not it is a seizure or the kid is just throwing a fit because you wouldnt turn on cartoons.  You generally treat both situations the same, step over them and wait for them to get over it, but it is nice to know which is which.

Dogs have actually been trained to identify seizures before they hit and can alert parents to they can take protective measures.


killjoy
 
2014-06-19 01:24:08 PM  

Russ1642: xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

mind you, they let everyone pet them and tell them how nice the ugly mutt is. REAL service dogs arent supposed to be treated like house pets while out.

The ADA is the standard.


There needs to be a more reasonable one. This backlash is the direct result of a ton of asshats buying one of these online:

www.therapydogvest.com

And bringing their pet everywhere with them.
 
2014-06-19 01:26:02 PM  
Because if there's one thing hoteliers want, it's a dog shiatting everywhere and chewing things.
 
2014-06-19 01:26:29 PM  

jst3p: Russ1642: xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

mind you, they let everyone pet them and tell them how nice the ugly mutt is. REAL service dogs arent supposed to be treated like house pets while out.

The ADA is the standard.

There needs to be a more reasonable one. This backlash is the direct result of a ton of asshats buying one of these online:

[www.therapydogvest.com image 800x534]

And bringing their pet everywhere with them.


Therpy dog?  That's nothing Emotional Support Dog

http://usdogregistry.org/register/emotional-support-dog-complete-kit /
 
2014-06-19 01:29:50 PM  

nursedude: HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?

Cats can identify that people are having seizures. They just choose to them them and instead of seeking help they search for someone else to open their tin of food and feed them.


I hate how cats just "them them" all the goddamn time.  Nasty furry farkers.
 
2014-06-19 01:29:55 PM  

xtech: Russ1642: xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

mind you, they let everyone pet them and tell them how nice the ugly mutt is. REAL service dogs arent supposed to be treated like house pets while out.

The ADA is the standard.

no, it farking isnt. there is no documentation. no licensing. no certificate that says XXXX doge has completed XXXX service animal training.

so fark your ADA, good on the hotel owner for telling these morons to stick it.


I'd enjoy sitting in the back of the courtroom as a judge flies up your ass and explodes after you say that.  Too bad you can't bring popcorn into a courtroom
 
2014-06-19 01:32:06 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: Because if there's one thing hoteliers want, it's a dog shiatting everywhere and chewing things.



Recently a seeing eye dog got sick on a plane flying from Los Angeles to Philadelphia and just had an absolute blow out in the aisle...twice.  Plane had to make an emergency stop in Kansas City (link).
 
2014-06-19 01:38:18 PM  
Mel Fisher will take the case.
 
2014-06-19 01:51:17 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: xtech: Russ1642: xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

mind you, they let everyone pet them and tell them how nice the ugly mutt is. REAL service dogs arent supposed to be treated like house pets while out.

The ADA is the standard.

no, it farking isnt. there is no documentation. no licensing. no certificate that says XXXX doge has completed XXXX service animal training.

so fark your ADA, good on the hotel owner for telling these morons to stick it.

I'd enjoy sitting in the back of the courtroom as a judge flies up your ass and explodes after you say that.  Too bad you can't bring popcorn into a courtroom


Just because it's the law of the land doesn't mean it's a good law.  Right now, basically, anybody can claim their animal is a service animal and there's no way for a business to challenge them on it.  So, a few people like abusing this by declaring their purse poodle to be service animal.
 
2014-06-19 02:00:30 PM  
Disneyland had a problem with people bringing in "therapy" dogs.  I remember one time seeing a woman trying to navigate the post firework crowds.  She had a Chihuahua with her, with one of those fake therapy dog vests.  She was too lazy to hold the leash, and he it tied to a string wrapped around her amble belly, and let the dog walk on the ground.

To me that was insane.  The post-fireworks crowds and super dense and crazy, and who is going to notice the little Chihuahua running around near the fat lady's legs before they step on it?

Anyway, Disney not too long ago decided to ban therapy dogs.  You have to have an honest to goodness trained service dog to bring them in the park now.

They also used to have a problem with people who weren't injured renting wheelchairs at the park, so they could skip the lines.  It got so bad the wheelchair lines became almost as long as the normal lines.  So they now require a doctor's note to rent a wheelchair.
 
2014-06-19 02:00:41 PM  
"Please, take all of our money."
 
2014-06-19 02:02:32 PM  

xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.


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2014-06-19 02:03:51 PM  

GoldSpider: xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

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Maybe I need a therapy chicken to assist on my next post...
 
2014-06-19 02:22:24 PM  

Geotpf: Smeggy Smurf: xtech: Russ1642: xtech: GOOD! sick and tired of seeing 'service' animals.

there needs to be some sort of standard, complete with licensing because all too often idiots in my city claim their precious pitt bull or other 'macho' dog is a service dog.

mind you, they let everyone pet them and tell them how nice the ugly mutt is. REAL service dogs arent supposed to be treated like house pets while out.

The ADA is the standard.

no, it farking isnt. there is no documentation. no licensing. no certificate that says XXXX doge has completed XXXX service animal training.

so fark your ADA, good on the hotel owner for telling these morons to stick it.

I'd enjoy sitting in the back of the courtroom as a judge flies up your ass and explodes after you say that.  Too bad you can't bring popcorn into a courtroom

Just because it's the law of the land doesn't mean it's a good law.  Right now, basically, anybody can claim their animal is a service animal and there's no way for a business to challenge them on it.  So, a few people like abusing this by declaring their purse poodle to be service animal.


I'll agree the ADA is a terribly written law.  But the sheer enjoyment factor of watching somebody say that to a judge isn't an opportunity that anybody should pass up.
 
2014-06-19 02:24:38 PM  
All of them needed a good stretch, including Chip, the youngest of the bunch. Chip, is not one of the children per say, but he is always close to 13-year-old Beau.

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2014-06-19 02:29:24 PM  
Should have stayed at La Quinta. Animals are welcome, and even stay free at most.

/I only say most because I don't know for sure if they're free at every location
 
2014-06-19 02:30:06 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Disneyland had a problem with people bringing in "therapy" dogs.  I remember one time seeing a woman trying to navigate the post firework crowds.  She had a Chihuahua with her, with one of those fake therapy dog vests.  She was too lazy to hold the leash, and he it tied to a string wrapped around her amble belly, and let the dog walk on the ground.

To me that was insane.  The post-fireworks crowds and super dense and crazy, and who is going to notice the little Chihuahua running around near the fat lady's legs before they step on it?

Anyway, Disney not too long ago decided to ban therapy dogs.  You have to have an honest to goodness trained service dog to bring them in the park now.

They also used to have a problem with people who weren't injured renting wheelchairs at the park, so they could skip the lines.  It got so bad the wheelchair lines became almost as long as the normal lines.  So they now require a doctor's note to rent a wheelchair.


How do they enforce this? My understanding of the ADA (which may be incorrect) tells me it is illegal for a business to challenge a person with a service animal. They are not allowed to inquire about the condition they suffer nor ask for any credentials for the animal.
 
2014-06-19 02:32:36 PM  

jst3p: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Disneyland had a problem with people bringing in "therapy" dogs.  I remember one time seeing a woman trying to navigate the post firework crowds.  She had a Chihuahua with her, with one of those fake therapy dog vests.  She was too lazy to hold the leash, and he it tied to a string wrapped around her amble belly, and let the dog walk on the ground.

To me that was insane.  The post-fireworks crowds and super dense and crazy, and who is going to notice the little Chihuahua running around near the fat lady's legs before they step on it?

Anyway, Disney not too long ago decided to ban therapy dogs.  You have to have an honest to goodness trained service dog to bring them in the park now.

They also used to have a problem with people who weren't injured renting wheelchairs at the park, so they could skip the lines.  It got so bad the wheelchair lines became almost as long as the normal lines.  So they now require a doctor's note to rent a wheelchair.

How do they enforce this? My understanding of the ADA (which may be incorrect) tells me it is illegal for a business to challenge a person with a service animal. They are not allowed to inquire about the condition they suffer nor ask for any credentials for the animal.


In addition this link seems to indicate that the information you received is incorrect.

https://disneyland.disney.go.com/guest-services/service-animals/
 
2014-06-19 02:35:57 PM  
Is it just a coincidence that the mom happens to be an attorney for 'children with special needs'?
 
2014-06-19 02:44:38 PM  
Yeah they bought themselves a lawsuit.    I do however agree there need to be an ID of some sort that can only be obtained through a doctor or other official means to show an animal really is a therapy animal and prevent people from abusing the the ADA.
 
2014-06-19 02:45:40 PM  
My dog peed in the middle of a bed at Holiday Inn once. Thank god the room had two beds.
 
2014-06-19 02:46:05 PM  
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I have a seizure alert dog. She warns me before I have the seizure. Dogs' noses are infinitely better than ours; she can smell the chemical changes that precede the seizures, giving me time to get seated or comfortable.

Any type of dog, no matter the size, sex or breed, can make a good service dog. I've met little tiny mutts that act as Hearing Dogs for their people; burly pitbulls that help people in wheelchairs; Doberman guide dogs; a chihuahua scent dog(his owner had no sense of smell); and many more.

 The Service Dog community doesn't want people dragging ill-mannered pets everywhere, either.  However, it is an incredible invasion of privacy to start demanding that you 'prove' to every semi-literate high school dropout who asks just why you have the dog. The only correct answer is: This is my service dog. She helps me. And that's as far as it should go.

Now, I'm less intense than some people, and will gladly tell you how my dog works, what she does, and so on. Most people are genuinely curious when something they only see on TV shows up in their business. But if they get nasty, or haughty, or tell me that their owner/health department/culture doesn't approve of dogs, I give them one of my little ADA cards that outlines the law so that even subhumans can follow it.

The ADA is deliberately vague about the working dogs because we keep finding new things for dogs to do. 20 some years ago, seizure alerters were unheard of. Now the demand far outstrips the supply. Dogs that can handle autistic kids were never even on the horizon; there's a whole set of protocols for training them that are now in use. It never even occurred to me that you might need a dog if you have no sense of smell, yet those are also now becoming more common, especially with an ageing population.

If you think it's somehow a personal affront to you to see a working service dog, or if you ridicule the very idea, just do this: Say your prayers every night that you don't need one.
 
2014-06-19 02:46:37 PM  

FormlessOne: Is it just a coincidence that the mom happens to be an attorney for 'children with special needs'?


Step one become an Attorney.
Step two, your child is born with special needs.
Step three, take your child with special needs and companion animal everywhere.
Step four, wait for someone to not know the law.
Step five, profit.
GOTO step three.
 
2014-06-19 02:48:13 PM  

Leader O'Cola: HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?


how in the world do you manage to tie your shoes and turn on a computer?

jfc

"He's a seizure response dog for my son. [Beau] is diagnosed with a rare type of epilepsy called Landau-Kleffner Syndrome. Chip alerts us to when Beau is having a seizure," said Karen. "


Did not realize they were invisible seizures.
 
2014-06-19 02:48:16 PM  

Khazar-Khum: I have a seizure alert dog. She warns me before I have the seizure. Dogs' noses are infinitely better than ours; she can smell the chemical changes that precede the seizures, giving me time to get seated or comfortable.


That justification is pretty shaky.
 
2014-06-19 02:49:14 PM  

HempHead: Leader O'Cola: HempHead: How does a dog prevent seizures any how? Is it some kinda dog magic that cats don't have?


how in the world do you manage to tie your shoes and turn on a computer?

jfc

"He's a seizure response dog for my son. [Beau] is diagnosed with a rare type of epilepsy called Landau-Kleffner Syndrome. Chip alerts us to when Beau is having a seizure," said Karen. "

Did not realize they were invisible seizures.


Kids aren't always in our sight. Being alerted that mine was having a seizure in another room seems legit.
 
2014-06-19 02:53:42 PM  

HempHead: Did not realize they were invisible seizures.



Seizures aren't always visible.
 
2014-06-19 02:56:19 PM  

jst3p: How do they enforce this? My understanding of the ADA (which may be incorrect) tells me it is illegal for a business to challenge a person with a service animal. They are not allowed to inquire about the condition they suffer nor ask for any credentials for the animal.


I believe in practice it comes down to them asking you "Is that a trained medically required service animal?" but I'm not sure.  I don't have any dog in the fight, just remember hearing about the rule change shortly after seeing that fat lady with the Chihuahua.  A quick google shows that a few years back the ADA was updated to differentiate between Service Animals and Emotional Support Animals and Therapy Dogs.  Only actual Service Animals can be refused service, ESAs and TDs are not protected.

Here's a starting point:
http://2012.servicedogsfl.org/?p=22
http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/ADAregs2010.htm
 
2014-06-19 02:57:31 PM  

jst3p: Kids aren't always in our sight. Being alerted that mine was having a seizure in another room seems legit.



The type of seizure the child in the article is experiencing would occur at night while the child is asleep.  I'd imagine the parents would be asleep as well.
 
2014-06-19 03:03:40 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I'd enjoy sitting in the back of the courtroom as a judge flies up your ass and explodes after you say that.


This mental image is going to get me in trouble for snickering too loudly at work.
 
2014-06-19 03:21:37 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: jst3p: How do they enforce this? My understanding of the ADA (which may be incorrect) tells me it is illegal for a business to challenge a person with a service animal. They are not allowed to inquire about the condition they suffer nor ask for any credentials for the animal.

I believe in practice it comes down to them asking you "Is that a trained medically required service animal?" but I'm not sure.  I don't have any dog in the fight, just remember hearing about the rule change shortly after seeing that fat lady with the Chihuahua.  A quick google shows that a few years back the ADA was updated to differentiate between Service Animals and Emotional Support Animals and Therapy Dogs.  Only actual Service Animals can be refused service, ESAs and TDs are not protected.

Here's a starting point:
http://2012.servicedogsfl.org/?p=22
http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/ADAregs2010.htm


This is a point of contention in the Service Dog world. We feel that emotional and mental health issues are just as valid as, say, hearing loss in the need for a canine partner. Someone whose crippling depression is made easier to cope with by having their dog trained to handle their needs is essentially the same as a dog trained to sniff out a seizure. If it makes the person better able to function, why not?
 
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