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2014-06-18 09:28:12 PM
It's a Macbook Air with a bigger screen, except the hard drive is even slower.  And the Macbook Air is already slow as dog shiat.  Apple must be targeting the wealthy parents of pre-teens with this one.
 
2014-06-18 10:35:55 PM
1100 bucks? Fu*k that.
 
2014-06-18 10:55:10 PM
That is cheap, for an Apple.
 
2014-06-18 10:57:41 PM
I shudder to think what sort of gaming rig I could put together for that price.  Apple can keep their brushed aluminum and rounded corners.
 
2014-06-18 10:58:35 PM
For 1200 dollars it better have a farking awesome video card.

Intel HD Graphics 5000

...what kind of retard would buy this shiatty low quality 1080 screen with a farking Intel video card? It's not worth 500 dollars.
 
2014-06-18 10:59:34 PM

John Buck 41: 1100 bucks? Fu*k that.

 
2014-06-18 11:02:01 PM

Lsherm: It's a Macbook Air with a bigger screen, except the hard drive is even slower.  And the Macbook Air is already slow as dog shiat.


No it isn't, and if the iMac is properly cooled, the processor should run at its full 2.5GHZ or so all the time. Those Haswells are very flexible.
 
2014-06-18 11:03:51 PM

dangelder: Lsherm: It's a Macbook Air with a bigger screen, except the hard drive is even slower.  And the Macbook Air is already slow as dog shiat.

No it isn't, and if the iMac is properly cooled, the processor should run at its full 2.5GHZ or so all the time. Those Haswells are very flexible.


Intel HD Graphics 5000
 
2014-06-18 11:03:54 PM

Shakin_Haitian: For 1200 dollars it better have a farking awesome video card.

Intel HD Graphics 5000

...what kind of retard would buy this shiatty low quality 1080 screen with a farking Intel video card? It's not worth 500 dollars.


HD5000 is a decent integrated video solution.

It can play GTA IV on medium settings.
 
2014-06-18 11:06:19 PM

cman: Shakin_Haitian: For 1200 dollars it better have a farking awesome video card.

Intel HD Graphics 5000

...what kind of retard would buy this shiatty low quality 1080 screen with a farking Intel video card? It's not worth 500 dollars.

HD5000 is a decent integrated video solution.

It can play GTA IV on medium settings.


Wow a six year old game on medium settings.
 
2014-06-18 11:11:08 PM

Shakin_Haitian: cman: Shakin_Haitian: For 1200 dollars it better have a farking awesome video card.

Intel HD Graphics 5000

...what kind of retard would buy this shiatty low quality 1080 screen with a farking Intel video card? It's not worth 500 dollars.

HD5000 is a decent integrated video solution.

It can play GTA IV on medium settings.

Wow a six year old game on medium settings.


Six years old it may be, shiatty programming it has still. It does not run well on a 730M, for instance.
 
2014-06-18 11:12:36 PM
I found a Sony VIAO 21.5", nearly the same specs, exact same price. $1150. Find an alternative (not that HP thing running Android, a full PC) and people will listen to you.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-vaio/cat-vaiotouch/product-SVT21226 CX B/
 
2014-06-18 11:23:37 PM
fark that, last PC I built cost me about $500 and despite it being 2 years old it's 10x what that POS is.
 
2014-06-18 11:23:37 PM
P-P-P-PowerBook!
 
2014-06-18 11:24:05 PM
So... I guess this is the point where Steve Job's notebook runs out and a shakier, unfamiliar script takes over?

This will be interesting to watch.  Like a dump truck full of lightbulbs falling off the side of a parking garage in slo-mo.
 
2014-06-18 11:24:44 PM

haineux: P-P-P-PowerBook!


Shift six.
 
2014-06-18 11:25:32 PM
I honestly don't get it.  What's the target audience for this?
 
2014-06-18 11:38:42 PM

Shrugging Atlas: I honestly don't get it.  What's the target audience for this?


Dunno

Apple really farked up on this one

That processor is just too underwhelming for a desktop Mac
 
2014-06-18 11:42:04 PM

Shakin_Haitian: dangelder: Lsherm: It's a Macbook Air with a bigger screen, except the hard drive is even slower.  And the Macbook Air is already slow as dog shiat.

No it isn't, and if the iMac is properly cooled, the processor should run at its full 2.5GHZ or so all the time. Those Haswells are very flexible.

Intel HD Graphics 5000


It's a POS
 
2014-06-18 11:42:55 PM
I'm typing this on a PC I built 2.5 years ago.

Unlocked i7 Sandy Bridge.8GB of ram. SSD.

Spent just a hair over 1k to build

...

Still faster in every real-world test than every non-Titan PC and double-priced (or more) Mac today.

So, you have that going for you, Apple, which is nice.
 
2014-06-18 11:53:29 PM
It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.
 
2014-06-18 11:57:19 PM

jaytkay: It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.


That is true. Obviously this machine is for typing recepies and printing them out.
 
2014-06-19 12:00:53 AM

dangelder: I found a Sony VIAO 21.5", nearly the same specs, exact same price. $1150. Find an alternative (not that HP thing running Android, a full PC) and people will listen to you.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-vaio/cat-vaiotouch/product-SVT21226 CX B/


I am typing this on an Acer laptop with a 17 inch 1920x1080  screen with 16 gigs of ram, 750 megs hard drive, blue tooth 4.0, double layer dvd burner, extra drive bay, 2.5 i5 that boosts to 3.1, and gt 750 with 4 gigs of ram.

I paid 800 for it new in January.

Or this Dell Desktop
Dell XPS 8700 Desktop with 4th Gen Intel Core i7, 12GB RAM, 1TB HD, DVD Burner, and NVIDIA GeForce 720 for $799.99 Shipped!

 Or this quad core HP i5  with a 21 ips display for 999.
 
2014-06-19 12:01:39 AM

jaytkay: It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.


Personally I'm going to hold off for the win8 vs win8.1 benchmarks.
 
2014-06-19 12:02:11 AM

jaytkay: It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.


I have never played games on a pc or a console but even I know certain games are usefull benchmarks for performance. If it struggles to run a game it will almost certainly struggle to run serious video editing for example. Much the same as the test for the early IBM PC compatibility was whether it could run MS Flight Simulator.
 
2014-06-19 12:04:55 AM

dangelder: No it isn't, and if the iMac is properly cooled, the processor should run at its full 2.5GHZ or so all the time. Those Haswells are very flexible.


It should, except that this iMac's been downgraded to a 1.4GHz processor.

I always though it was ridiculous to pay 30% more for a 10% bump in processor speed at the high end. But paying 15% less for a processor with half the speed and half the cores, and a crippled (especially compared to the very capable Iris Pro) graphics subsystem? That's farking nuts. Buy a Mini and a $150 display from Best Buy.
 
2014-06-19 12:07:16 AM

cman: Shakin_Haitian: For 1200 dollars it better have a farking awesome video card.

Intel HD Graphics 5000

...what kind of retard would buy this shiatty low quality 1080 screen with a farking Intel video card? It's not worth 500 dollars.

HD5000 is a decent integrated video solution.

It can play GTA IV on medium settings.


Lol'd mightily.
 
2014-06-19 12:13:17 AM

jaytkay: It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.


If you aren't playing games or doing video editing there's almost no reason to buy anything more than a basic computer with specs just high enough to run your OS of choice. I'm sure there's a few reasons out there that I'm unaware of, but by and large your average non gaming user doesn't need more than the basics. So why shell out extra money for something that's more expensive when you can buy something lower end that's cheaper and does everything you need it to?
 
2014-06-19 12:16:02 AM

Flint Ironstag: jaytkay: It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.

I have never played games on a pc or a console but even I know certain games are usefull benchmarks for performance. If it struggles to run a game it will almost certainly struggle to run serious video editing for example. Much the same as the test for the early IBM PC compatibility was whether it could run MS Flight Simulator.


If you want to run serious video editing you aren't buying the entry level iMac.  It will handle basic home movie stuff without an issue, though encoding/transcoding times will likely be longer for the finished product.

If you're doing heavy lifting, you either pony up for the Mac Pro, or at minimum one of the higher tier iMacs.

I still think this is sort of a silly product though.  For $200 more you get a much better iMac if you really want an iMac.

iMacs, and really all all-in-ones, are sort of silly machines though.  I'm still using the same monitor I bought in 2003.  Why would I want to buy a computer with a very limited upgrade path that's physically attached to the monitor so that when I replace it I have to chuck the whole thing?
 
2014-06-19 12:16:07 AM
Apple introduces cheap, entry-level iMac.

thegreatgeekmanual.com
 
2014-06-19 12:16:14 AM

theflatline: dangelder: I found a Sony VIAO 21.5", nearly the same specs, exact same price. $1150. Find an alternative (not that HP thing running Android, a full PC) and people will listen to you.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-vaio/cat-vaiotouch/product-SVT21226 CX B/

I am typing this on an Acer laptop with a 17 inch 1920x1080  screen with 16 gigs of ram, 750 megs hard drive, blue tooth 4.0, double layer dvd burner, extra drive bay, 2.5 i5 that boosts to 3.1, and gt 750 with 4 gigs of ram.

I paid 800 for it new in January.

Or this Dell Desktop
Dell XPS 8700 Desktop with 4th Gen Intel Core i7, 12GB RAM, 1TB HD, DVD Burner, and NVIDIA GeForce 720 for $799.99 Shipped!

 Or this quad core HP i5  with a 21 ips display for 999.


If your Acer is anything like the one I found on Amazon with very similar specs and $200 more, I hope you enjoy your 2 hour battery life.
 
2014-06-19 12:16:14 AM

Shrugging Atlas: I honestly don't get it.  What's the target audience for this?


Your parents or grandparents. Seriously. All-in-one, easy and intuitive to use, comes with all the software  they would ever need, immune to all of the worms out there and can be easily locked down against the few OSX trojans, integrates with their iPad or iPhone, and can be set up for you to do remote administration with the click of one easy preference setting. For people who do email, Facebook, video chat with the grandkids, light web surfing, and the occasional written document or spreadsheet, this is perfect. Sure, it won't play the latest games, but these are your grandparents. They're terrified by Doom, for god's sake.

Now, yes, a $300 discount PC would also serve their needs, but (i) it would be harder for you to maintain; (ii) it won't integrate as well with their other gadgets; (iii) they won't know how to do anything on it, meaning you'll constantly have to re-teach them how to open Chrome; and (iv) after using it for a month, it'll depreciate down to zero, while the iMac will still be worth $800-900 for the next several years. For just the latter, if you include resale price into your cost calculation, Macs cost less than equivalent PCs, because there's a huge used market for them.
 
2014-06-19 12:20:32 AM

Cpl.D: haineux: P-P-P-PowerBook!

Shift six.


with bluetooth!
 
2014-06-19 12:22:10 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: jaytkay: It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.

If you aren't playing games or doing video editing there's almost no reason to buy anything more than a basic computer with specs just high enough to run your OS of choice. I'm sure there's a few reasons out there that I'm unaware of, but by and large your average non gaming user doesn't need more than the basics. So why shell out extra money for something that's more expensive when you can buy something lower end that's cheaper and does everything you need it to?


I built a computer back in 2011 with a low-end Core i3 and 2GB of RAM. It felt a little slow until I put in an SSD and 8 more GB RAM. It handles basic tasks like a champ. I finally put in a low-end GPU. The only thing it needs to be good for the next few years is more storage. I see no real reason to upgrade it beyond that, especially since that would entail a new processor and new motherboard.
 
2014-06-19 12:23:28 AM
Some Apple guy said something like "We don't know how to make a $500 machine that doesn't suck." Looks like they figured out how to suck at $1100.
 
2014-06-19 12:23:39 AM

jaytkay: It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.


Play games or not, it's a simple fact that if a computer can play games with no issues, it can take anything else you can throw at it. If it cant even pass that benchmark then how can you justify an $1100 pricetag?
 
2014-06-19 12:24:54 AM

Relatively Obscure: cman: Shakin_Haitian: For 1200 dollars it better have a farking awesome video card.

Intel HD Graphics 5000

...what kind of retard would buy this shiatty low quality 1080 screen with a farking Intel video card? It's not worth 500 dollars.

HD5000 is a decent integrated video solution.

It can play GTA IV on medium settings.

Lol'd mightily.


Just because it can play it doesnt mean that I do

My desktop card is a 660GTX. When I play games its on that, not on my Haswell laptop.
 
2014-06-19 12:29:07 AM

ReapTheChaos: jaytkay: It's so cute how children think the primary function of every computer is playing games.

Play games or not, it's a simple fact that if a computer can play games with no issues, it can take anything else you can throw at it. If it cant even pass that benchmark then how can you justify an $1100 pricetag?


The GPU requirements for gaming aren't important for the vast majority of what non-gamers will use their computer for.

A dual core i5 isn't the fasting chip out there, but it will handle web/e-mail/photos/music with no problem.

The price is certainly high for the overall specs, but that's typical of Apple computer hardware.  You do excellent build quality and well thought-out design for your money.
 
2014-06-19 12:30:34 AM

Tobin_Lam: theflatline: dangelder: I found a Sony VIAO 21.5", nearly the same specs, exact same price. $1150. Find an alternative (not that HP thing running Android, a full PC) and people will listen to you.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-vaio/cat-vaiotouch/product-SVT21226 CX B/

I am typing this on an Acer laptop with a 17 inch 1920x1080  screen with 16 gigs of ram, 750 megs hard drive, blue tooth 4.0, double layer dvd burner, extra drive bay, 2.5 i5 that boosts to 3.1, and gt 750 with 4 gigs of ram.

I paid 800 for it new in January.

Or this Dell Desktop
Dell XPS 8700 Desktop with 4th Gen Intel Core i7, 12GB RAM, 1TB HD, DVD Burner, and NVIDIA GeForce 720 for $799.99 Shipped!

 Or this quad core HP i5  with a 21 ips display for 999.

If your Acer is anything like the one I found on Amazon with very similar specs and $200 more, I hope you enjoy your 2 hour battery life.


Mine sits on a desk plugged in at all times.  I am comparing it to an Apple Desktop, so no battery comparison need come into play.  So while powerful laptops are generally more expensive than desktops, I have a laptop that was cheaper that runs circles around the Imac.

I have for years built my desk tops, and when I decided to budget 800 bucks to built a new desktop, the laptop deal caught my eye, and it takes up less space than a desktop, and while I am a tech support manager, I really do not need to lug a laptop around anymore.  And if I did it would be a Thinkpad.

I got a deal on my mine for the extra ram.  But I see them on new egg with 8 gigs for 830, and on Amazon for 849.
 
2014-06-19 12:32:17 AM

theflatline: dangelder: I found a Sony VIAO 21.5", nearly the same specs, exact same price. $1150. Find an alternative (not that HP thing running Android, a full PC) and people will listen to you.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-vaio/cat-vaiotouch/product-SVT21226 CX B/

I am typing this on an Acer laptop with a 17 inch 1920x1080  screen with 16 gigs of ram, 750 megs hard drive, blue tooth 4.0, double layer dvd burner, extra drive bay, 2.5 i5 that boosts to 3.1, and gt 750 with 4 gigs of ram.

I paid 800 for it new in January.

Or this Dell Desktop
Dell XPS 8700 Desktop with 4th Gen Intel Core i7, 12GB RAM, 1TB HD, DVD Burner, and NVIDIA GeForce 720 for $799.99 Shipped!

 Or this quad core HP i5  with a 21 ips display for 999.


The laptop isn't this thing. The Dell doesn't have a monitor. The HP looks ok...so it's $100 cheaper, big whoop.
 
2014-06-19 12:32:28 AM
And the worst part is, Apple is forcing everyone to buy one.
 
2014-06-19 12:39:28 AM

Theaetetus: Shrugging Atlas: I honestly don't get it.  What's the target audience for this?

Your parents or grandparents. Seriously. All-in-one, easy and intuitive to use, comes with all the software  they would ever need, immune to all of the worms out there and can be easily locked down against the few OSX trojans, integrates with their iPad or iPhone, and can be set up for you to do remote administration with the click of one easy preference setting. For people who do email, Facebook, video chat with the grandkids, light web surfing, and the occasional written document or spreadsheet, this is perfect. Sure, it won't play the latest games, but these are your grandparents. They're terrified by Doom, for god's sake.

Now, yes, a $300 discount PC would also serve their needs, but (i) it would be harder for you to maintain; (ii) it won't integrate as well with their other gadgets; (iii) they won't know how to do anything on it, meaning you'll constantly have to re-teach them how to open Chrome; and (iv) after using it for a month, it'll depreciate down to zero, while the iMac will still be worth $800-900 for the next several years. For just the latter, if you include resale price into your cost calculation, Macs cost less than equivalent PCs, because there's a huge used market for them.


My 65 year old mother uses a quad core amd samsung laptop I got her two years ago.  She has an icon for Chrome and one for Open Office.  She uses Gmail and Chrome.  Who needs retraining to click the same Icons day after day?

She has an HTC One S phone that syncs to it via Wifi and she has a Samsung Galaxy tablet that does as well.

I paid for all of the equipment of a total of 800 bucks, and I will imagine she will get 3-4 years use out it.  Her dell pc went from 2004-2012.

Apple does not have the same resale value it used to carry in the past, especially since it became commodity hardware.
 
2014-06-19 12:39:46 AM

cman: 730M


Isn't the 730 nvidia's cheapest chip currently produced?
 
2014-06-19 12:43:15 AM

ReapTheChaos: Play games or not, it's a simple fact that if a computer can play games with no issues, it can take anything else you can throw at it. If it cant even pass that benchmark then how can you justify an $1100 pricetag?


o.aolcdn.com 
It's a simple fact that if a car can drive at 250 mph with no issues, it can take anything else you can throw at it. If a car can't do that, how can you justify even a $20k pricetag?

Accept the fact that games are a high-end niche, like racing. There are plenty of computers and cars that are perfectly adequate for most of what all people do, and all of what most people do.
 
2014-06-19 12:43:24 AM

Theaetetus: Shrugging Atlas: I honestly don't get it.  What's the target audience for this?

Your parents or grandparents. Seriously. All-in-one, easy and intuitive to use, comes with all the software  they would ever need, immune to all of the worms out there and can be easily locked down against the few OSX trojans, integrates with their iPad or iPhone, and can be set up for you to do remote administration with the click of one easy preference setting. For people who do email, Facebook, video chat with the grandkids, light web surfing, and the occasional written document or spreadsheet, this is perfect. Sure, it won't play the latest games, but these are your grandparents. They're terrified by Doom, for god's sake.

Now, yes, a $300 discount PC would also serve their needs, but (i) it would be harder for you to maintain; (ii) it won't integrate as well with their other gadgets; (iii) they won't know how to do anything on it, meaning you'll constantly have to re-teach them how to open Chrome; and (iv) after using it for a month, it'll depreciate down to zero, while the iMac will still be worth $800-900 for the next several years. For just the latter, if you include resale price into your cost calculation, Macs cost less than equivalent PCs, because there's a huge used market for them.


Yep. People like my family and my less-techie friends. All they want to do - and I mean ALL they want to do - with a computer is use the internet. They might use a word processor or maybe even a spreadsheet once a year, but for the most part it's all email, Facebook, Twitter, and some twinkly game that they will get bored with in a month. Plus, you simply can't ignore how fashionable it is to have something with that Apple logo on it.
 
2014-06-19 12:44:13 AM

dangelder: theflatline: dangelder: I found a Sony VIAO 21.5", nearly the same specs, exact same price. $1150. Find an alternative (not that HP thing running Android, a full PC) and people will listen to you.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-vaio/cat-vaiotouch/product-SVT21226 CX B/

I am typing this on an Acer laptop with a 17 inch 1920x1080  screen with 16 gigs of ram, 750 megs hard drive, blue tooth 4.0, double layer dvd burner, extra drive bay, 2.5 i5 that boosts to 3.1, and gt 750 with 4 gigs of ram.

I paid 800 for it new in January.

Or this Dell Desktop
Dell XPS 8700 Desktop with 4th Gen Intel Core i7, 12GB RAM, 1TB HD, DVD Burner, and NVIDIA GeForce 720 for $799.99 Shipped!

 Or this quad core HP i5  with a 21 ips display for 999.

The laptop isn't this thing. The Dell doesn't have a monitor. The HP looks ok...so it's $100 cheaper, big whoop.


You can get a great monitor for 150 bucks, and the Dell will run circles around that shiatty Imac.  My cheaper laptop will run circles around it.
 
2014-06-19 12:47:24 AM

theflatline: My 65 year old mother uses a quad core amd samsung laptop I got her two years ago.  She has an icon for Chrome and one for Open Office.  She uses Gmail and Chrome.  Who needs retraining to click the same Icons day after day?


You haven't met my mother in law.

She has an HTC One S phone that syncs to it via Wifi and she has a Samsung Galaxy tablet that does as well.
I paid for all of the equipment of a total of 800 bucks, and I will imagine she will get 3-4 years use out it.  Her dell pc went from 2004-2012
.

I'd like to find where you can get an HTC One S, a Galaxy Tab, and a quad core laptop for $800. I'm guessing either the back of a truck, or you're not mentioning the monthly payments you're making?

Apple does not have the same resale value it used to carry in the past, especially since it became commodity hardware.

static.trustedreviews.com
What commodity hardware may look like? If so, tell me where I can get a bunch of those monitors. I have a hankerin' for a video wall.
 
2014-06-19 01:03:44 AM

Theaetetus: theflatline: My 65 year old mother uses a quad core amd samsung laptop I got her two years ago.  She has an icon for Chrome and one for Open Office.  She uses Gmail and Chrome.  Who needs retraining to click the same Icons day after day?

You haven't met my mother in law.

She has an HTC One S phone that syncs to it via Wifi and she has a Samsung Galaxy tablet that does as well.
I paid for all of the equipment of a total of 800 bucks, and I will imagine she will get 3-4 years use out it.  Her dell pc went from 2004-2012.

I'd like to find where you can get an HTC One S, a Galaxy Tab, and a quad core laptop for $800. I'm guessing either the back of a truck, or you're not mentioning the monthly payments you're making?

Apple does not have the same resale value it used to carry in the past, especially since it became commodity hardware.

[static.trustedreviews.com image 440x330]
What commodity hardware may look like? If so, tell me where I can get a bunch of those monitors. I have a hankerin' for a video wall.


I bought the One S for 200 bucks new beginning of 2013.

The Quad Core Samsung Laptop I bought for 400 bucks at Best Buy. It is an AMD but has 1 gig of discrete video ram. They had a sale, it is 17 inches. Light as a feather.

Galaxy Tab 3 - Best Buy for 200 bucks because I had a 50 Dollar Coupon.

You can get plenty of quality displays from Dell, Asus, for 150-200 bucks.
 
2014-06-19 01:14:04 AM

theflatline: You can get plenty of quality displays from Dell, Asus, for 150-200 bucks.


Oh, I didn't say "find me a crappy display". I said find me one of those - aluminum bezel, 5mm thick, stereo speakers, camera, dual microphones, built in USB and Thunderbolt hubs. You know, commodity hardware.
 
2014-06-19 01:15:35 AM

ongbok: That is cheap, for an Apple.


This is cheaper if you are into Apple.
http://www.hackintosh.com/
 
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